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0. 12:23 AM - Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:09 AM - Re: Mike Perez's workshop (Michael Perez)
2. 05:16 AM - My second Pietenpol flight (Michael Perez)
3. 06:17 AM - Scales (Roman Bukolt)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: Scales (Perry Rhoads)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: Scales (gcardinal)
6. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Bending plywood.exelent (David Paule)
7. 07:57 AM - Vi Kapler Hinges (Dave and Connie)
8. 08:15 AM - Re: Vi Kapler Hinges (Perry Rhoads)
9. 08:33 AM - Re: Scales (Lagowski Morrow)
10. 08:58 AM - Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error ()
11. 09:40 AM - Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error (Don Emch)
12. 09:56 AM - Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error (Bill Church)
13. 01:15 PM - Re: Vi Kapler Hinges (Dave and Connie)
14. 03:02 PM - Brake recommendations (Richard Schreiber)
15. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error (Michael Perez)
16. 04:03 PM - Re: Brake recommendations (David Paule)
17. 04:32 PM - Re: Scales (Jack Phillips)
18. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error (Jack Phillips)
19. 05:03 PM - Re: Scales (Gary Boothe)
20. 06:02 PM - Re: Scales (hvandervoo@aol.com)
21. 06:41 PM - formation flying (Dick N.)
22. 07:05 PM - Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error (K5YAC)
23. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Bending plywood.exelent (Clif Dawson)
24. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: fiber glass tank (jorge lizarraga)
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Perez's workshop |
Wow, thanks for the kind wors Mike...I don't know what else to say, sir.
--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy
@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike Perez's workshop
I=99ve visited Mike=99s workshop at his house last winter =C2
-guys and you may as well imagine that you=99re
actually entering a surgical area of a hospital with one notable exception.
=C2-=C2-There is way
more clutter in an operating room.=C2-=C2-
=C2-
Mike just showed me his torque tube aileron control horn that he TIG welded
up (the airfoil shaped / two-halves job)
and it looked like it came out of a CNC machine---no distortions or warping
anywhere on the edge welds and
perfectly drilled and placed holes.=C2-=C2-=C2- My best control horns
still had some slight distortion and warpage but Mike=99s
look like a robotic welder welded them.=C2-=C2-
=C2-
Mike=99s also the world=99s luckiest man as he has the full ble
ssings of his wife on this project and the stunning
1960=99s GTO he restored from the frame up.=C2-
=C2-
Mike C.
=C2-
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| Subject: | My second Pietenpol flight |
I took my first Pietenpol flight last October in Mike Cuy's plane. Last nig
ht, Friday, I got my second flight in a Pietenpol...Mike's again!- This t
ime we had head sets on and did not have to worry about hand signals only a
s we did the first flight. This allowed me to do a little more flying.
-
My plan was to take note of how the controls felt, how much throw each cont
rol surface had, how the plane responded, etc. I did that for about 4 min.
but just could not help taking in the scenery and the fact that I was up fl
ying again.- It was quite cold, but I didn't care. Once Mike turned the p
lane over to my control, I could have stayed up there until we ran out of f
uel.
-
We flew around for about 40 min or so, then landed; at that point he allowe
d me to taxi the plane up and down the runway...just as he did after the fi
rst flight.- I have as much fun taxing as I do flying....to do so in a ta
il dragger is all new to me.
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Since I did not take the time to make those mental notes on the controls, r
udder/ slipping inputs, throttle settings/sensitivity, etc. I will have to
up again...and again...the sooner the better!
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Question for all those who have finished and are flying your Piets.
What did you use for scales in determining your weight and balance?
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After recently acquiring Vi Kapler's Piet, I used Ruggles Scales to weight
it. They are used by sports car racers for set up. Nothing more than bath
scales with mechanical advantage ramps to allow double the weight per scale.
Any auto race guy in your area will have these or the much better electronic
scales.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels@tds.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scales
>
> Question for all those who have finished and are flying your Piets.
> What did you use for scales in determining your weight and balance?
>
>
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Three calibrated, electronic scales. After doing an initial weighing, rotate
the scales to a different location on the plane and see if the weights are
the same. This will give you an idea of the scales accuracy.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels@tds.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scales
>
> Question for all those who have finished and are flying your Piets.
> What did you use for scales in determining your weight and balance?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bending plywood.exelent |
How far away will the compass be from that thing?
Reason I ask is that I learned that Duracell alkaline batteries in my
glove box in my Cessna 180 have a profound effect on the compass
reading.
David Paule
The guage is a very uniquely designed oil tank one.
The dial and the float assembly have no physical connection
whatsoever,
The dial pointer and the floatshaft are magnetic. The hand follows the
float arm magneticaly through the dividing wall.
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| Subject: | Vi Kapler Hinges |
Are the Vi Kapler hinges still available? Does anybody have contact
info / pricing info?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler Hinges |
Vitalis Kapler
507-288-3322
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Connie" <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi Kapler Hinges
> <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
>
> Are the Vi Kapler hinges still available? Does anybody have contact info
> / pricing info?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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My EAA Chapter 234 has a set of aicraft scales which we all use--Jim
Lagowski
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels@tds.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scales
>
> Question for all those who have finished and are flying your Piets.
> What did you use for scales in determining your weight and balance?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error |
I was fabricating the flying strut fittings last night and discovered
AFTER I welded them that the width as shown on the plans appears to be
incorrect. Here is my reasoning.
The small drawing of the Flying Strut Fitting, shown at the bottom of
sheet Drawing NO. 5 (the sheet with the wing plans on it), shows the top
plate to be 1-inch by 1-inch. On the wing spar drawing there are
1/8-inch plywood plates called for on both sides of the spar at the
location of the fitting. These are also shown on the detail drawing near
the upper right corner of these sheet.
As I interpret these drawings the 1/8-inch plates should be UNDER the
fitting to reinforce the spar at this location. This would add 1/4-inch
(1/8 +1/8 = 1/4) to the thickness of the spar making 1 1/4-inch needed
for the top plate not the 1-inch shown on the plans.
Or the plans can be interpreted differently.
The Flying Strut fitting drawing does not show the plywood under the
fitting. It could be assumed that a 1-inch wide strip of 1/8-inch
plywood goes on the SIDE of the fitting as shown on spar drawing. This
would make the 1-inch dimension correct.
I don't know what is the right interpretation but I think the plywood
under the fitting is the best interpretation and will be remaking the
fittings. Looking at what others have done would suggest this is the
typical way to do it.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/9-02-09_002_800x600.jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/kinsella/kin_23.jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Bob%20Siebert/Siebert2003_0107_172105AA.J
PG
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Doug%20Hunt/doughunt-strut2.jpg
Something I also discovered was several had decided to not weld the two
straps together at all.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Santiago%20Morete/Toma_montantes.jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Markle/strut_attach.jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Doug%20Hunt/doughunt-strut2.jpg
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error |
Chris,
I believe some will interpret it as no plywood under the fitting, just on the sides.
That may have been what Mr. Pietenpol intended too. In working with wood
spars and wood wings in general, I've found that it is common practice to place
plywood under the fitting. I made that piece an 1 1/4" and welded them together
then slid it over the plywood. Made for a 1 1/4" wide gap in the fitting.
I'm sure they are both ways, but that makes the most sense to me.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error |
Chris,
Funny that this hasn't been noticed before (at least I don't recall it being discussed).
At first glance I thought that maybe the plywood plates were just mounted
alongside the strut fittings, even though it didn't seem to make sense.
The cross-section detail thru the spar down at the bottom of the drawing shows
the fitting directly against the 1" thick spar, so it would appear that the plywood
would not be under the fitting. But that doesn't seem to make sense, because
a plywood reinforcement like that would likely be there to help spread out
the concentrated load that the fitting would put on the spar. And then I noticed
the assembly sketch in the upper right quadrant of the drawing, which fairly
clearly shows the fitting ON TOP of the plywood (see attached clip). This
just makes more sense in terms of building practice, so my conclusion would be
that the 1" dimension was an oversight, and should have been 1 1/4" to incorporate
the two plywood plates.
Probably since most builders today (I think) use the solid 3/4" spar, as opposed
to the routed 1" spar, the "error" is not an issue, since 3/4" + 1/8" + 1/8"
= 1", so it would work fine with the solid 3/4" spar.
Having said all that, it would probably work either way, but the preferred method
would be with the plywood under the fitting.
Bill C.
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Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/strut_detail_114.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler Hinges |
Perry,
Thanks.
Dave
Do Not Archive
Perry Rhoads wrote:
> <prhoads61@frontiernet.net>
>
> Vitalis Kapler
> 507-288-3322
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Connie"
> <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:55 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi Kapler Hinges
>
>
>> <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> Are the Vi Kapler hinges still available? Does anybody have contact
>> info / pricing info?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Brake recommendations |
Good People:
I'm starting to work on my brakes and I need some honest opinions. I have built
a wooden straight axle gear for my Piet and am having trouble deciding on what
to use for brakes. My original preference, strictly for appearance, would be
to use band brakes. Next in line would be mechanical drum brakes and finally
mechanical disk brakes. I am currently flying a TriPacer with hydraulic drum
brakes, but they are not independently operated. The brakes are marginal on the
TriPacer so they barely hold on runup. Most of my flying is off of paved strips,
though my preference is to use grass.
Those of you that have band brakes, what diameter is the drum and how satisfied
are you with the performance, especially on pavement. Those of you that have
drum brakes, again what size is the drum and how well are they performing on pavement.
Walt Evans and Don Emch I know that both of you are using 4-1/2 inch
Azusa drums and are happy with them, but how well do they work on paved strips?
I was thinking about going with 6 inch bands or 6 inch Azusa drums, but if the
4-1/2 inch work OK I don't want to spend the extra money. Plus I want to keep
the brakes as unobtrusive as possible.
Richard Schreiber
Valparaiso, Indiana
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error |
Here is my take on it...I don't have the plans in front of me to reference
directly, so I'm going from memory.-
-
The "original" wing strut fitting...the one that gets welded over the top o
f the spar, is at a different angle then the "newer" wing strut fitting fou
nd on the supplemental plans. The original wing strut fitting does not line
up (does not form a straight line) with the wing strut itself when in plac
e. I assumed that the plywood for these fittings are on the sides of the fi
tting to help take the side load that would be imposed from the wing strut
itself pulling and pushing the fitting at an angle. (not directly down the
center of the fitting)-I believe that is also why they are welded across
the top...to help prevent the rotation or side sliding of the fitting.
-
The new wing strut fitting on the supplemental plans, if you make note of t
he angle cut on one end, lines the fitting up in line with the wing strut i
tself. There are no side or sliding forces on it...(I don't know how to des
cribe it...) the forces are down the center line of the fitting. There is n
o need for the plywood sides or the top welded piece.- However, it is ver
y wise to use plywood under any holes drilled through spruce to help tie th
e grain layers together and keep them from "peeling"- or de-laminating...
so to speak.
-
That's my take anyway. I will be using the supplemental plan version. These
are also longer and gives you more clearance between the underside of the
wing with it's fabric, paint etc. and the wing strut mounting hole on it. S
o, you can get tools on that nut/bolt easier.
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| Subject: | Re: Brake recommendations |
I had mechanical band brakes on another homebuilt, a Kolb Firestar, and
while they worked, they often needed adjustment. I much prefer the
hydraulic disk brakes on the Skywagon. They are reliable, don't need
adjustment, and are very easy to maintain.
Toe/heel/hand, that's up to you. I do prefer having the capability of
differential braking just for the increased control authority that
provides.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake recommendations
Good People:
I'm starting to work on my brakes and I need some honest opinions. I
have built a wooden straight axle gear for my Piet and am having trouble
deciding on what to use for brakes. My original preference, strictly for
appearance, would be to use band brakes. Next in line would be
mechanical drum brakes and finally mechanical disk brakes. I am
currently flying a TriPacer with hydraulic drum brakes, but they are not
independently operated. The brakes are marginal on the TriPacer so they
barely hold on runup. Most of my flying is off of paved strips, though
my preference is to use grass.
Those of you that have band brakes, what diameter is the drum and how
satisfied are you with the performance, especially on pavement. Those of
you that have drum brakes, again what size is the drum and how well are
they performing on pavement. Walt Evans and Don Emch I know that both of
you are using 4-1/2 inch Azusa drums and are happy with them, but how
well do they work on paved strips?
I was thinking about going with 6 inch bands or 6 inch Azusa drums,
but if the 4-1/2 inch work OK I don't want to spend the extra money.
Plus I want to keep the brakes as unobtrusive as possible.
Richard Schreiber
Valparaiso, Indiana
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I first used my bathroom scales, then after moving it to the airport I used
the FBO's aircraft scales, and suddenly my plane gained almost 100 lbs.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scales
Question for all those who have finished and are flying your Piets.
What did you use for scales in determining your weight and balance?
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error |
All the loading on the spars comes through the bolts bearing in shear (side
loading) on the wood. Adding the plywood is prudent. Not only does it
increase the shear area, it also adds harder wood than the spruce of the
spar (at least it does if you use birch plywood - I don't know if mahogany
or any of the non-aircraft grade plywoods are harder than spruce) to help
prevent the bolts elongating the holes.
The strap across the top, on the other hand, does nothing to add anything
but weight and difficulty. If the bolts have sheared through the spar, that
little strap will not keep the spar from failing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error
Chris,
I believe some will interpret it as no plywood under the fitting, just on
the sides. That may have been what Mr. Pietenpol intended too. In working
with wood spars and wood wings in general, I've found that it is common
practice to place plywood under the fitting. I made that piece an 1 1/4"
and welded them together then slid it over the plywood. Made for a 1 1/4"
wide gap in the fitting. I'm sure they are both ways, but that makes the
most sense to me.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Shoulda' stuck with the bathroom scales......;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Scales
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I first used my bathroom scales, then after moving it to the airport I used
the FBO's aircraft scales, and suddenly my plane gained almost 100 lbs.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scales
Question for all those who have finished and are flying your Piets.
What did you use for scales in determining your weight and balance?
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Used 3 mechanical bathroom scales, with 400 Lbs capacity, One for each whe
el.
Eliminate calibration errors by measure three times with each scale in und
er a different wheel.
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:15 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scales
Question for all those who have finished and are flying your Piets.
What did you use for scales in determining your weight and balance?
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| Subject: | formation flying |
I got a chance yesterday to go out formation flying with a friend in his
T-6. Surprisingly quiet in the rear seat compared to that sharp prop
sound on the ground. We are all going to have to work on tightening up
our formations for Brodhead (just kidding, of course). Those guys
practice formations weekly and are very good. That plane is quite
simple. If you take away the Manifold Press gauge and the landing gear
indicators there's not much different than a Piet panel.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans Error |
I'm not even planning to utilize the top strap. I agree with Jack that it just
complicates things. I have seen others that just round off that end of the fitting
and bolt it on. That's my plan.
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Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Bending plywood.exelent |
Three feet. And the magnet system is only enough to move a dial weighing
a hundredth of an ounce, maybe. So we'll see.
Clif
How far away will the compass be from that thing?
Reason I ask is that I learned that Duracell alkaline batteries in my
glove box in my Cessna 180 have a profound effect on the compass
reading.
David Paule
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| Subject: | Re: fiber glass tank |
tanks for these inform bery helpfull formy proyect slow but continues now I
m welding all my cuting parts storage for long time I wish finished sooner
seyou tanks again for you help jorge from hanford
--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending plywood.exelent
=EF=BB=0A=0A =0AThanks Jorge. So the tank is vinyl ester resin. =0AAppar
ently the only one=0Athat is fuel proof. The guage is a very uniquely =0Ade
signed oil tank one.=0AThe dial and the float assembly have no physical =0A
connection whatsoever,=0AThe dial pointer and the floatshaft are magnetic.
=0AThe hand follows the=0Afloat arm magneticaly=C2-through the dividing
=0Awall.=0A=C2-=0AOh, I forgot to mention before and didn't take pics =0A
but the tank has four=0Abaffles in it, two fore and aft and two across. =0A
They are glassed into the=0Abottom but not the top.=0A=C2-=0AClif=0A=0A
----- Original Message ----- =0A From: =0A jorge =0A lizarraga =0A To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A =0A Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:11
=0A PM=0A Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending =0A plywood.exelent
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=0A =0A =0A =0A that is beautyfull touch congrat..
--- On Fri, =0A 11/6/09, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> =0A
wrote:
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From: =0A Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: =0A Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending plywood
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Here's what I did. First I filled in and =0A contoured the area
=0A with really light and thick balsa then, =0A using wat
er based=0A contact cement, glued on 1/32 ply for a =0A h
ard surface.=0A =C2-My thinking was that I was going to =0A
be putting weight=0A on that area every time I got in or out
=0A so I wanted the=0A solidity of bulk but I also wanted
the =0A thinness where the=0A ply overlay the stringers
so there =0A wouldn't be a significant=0A bump in the fab
ric. Yes I know, there's a =0A certain amount=0A of anal
involved! I just can't help =0A it.=C2- :-)=0A =C2-
=0A Clif=0A =0A ----- =0A Original
Message ----- =0A From: =0A Gary Boothe =0A
=0A To: =0A pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A
=0A Sent: =0A Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:21 P
M=0A Subject: =0A RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending ply
wood=0A
=0A =0A Steve,=0A =C2-=0A Her
e a couple pics of turtle decks made out =0A of 1/8=9D Ply
woodno steaming!=0A =C2-=0A =0A
=C2-=0A =0A =C2-=0A Gary Boothe=0A
Cool, Ca.=0A Pietenpol=0A WW Corvair Convers
ion, =0A mounted=0A Tail done, Fuselage on =0Agear=0A
(15 ribs down)=0A -----Original Message----
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A [mailto:owne
r-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =0A chase143
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending =0A plywood=0A
chase143" <chase143@aol.com>=0A =C2-=0A Outstanding
! Thanks guys. Great pictures and =0A ideas. I'll check out WC P
iet as well. But sounds like no steaming =0A and maybe 1/16 is t
he way to go, hopefully this =0A weekend.=0A Thanks a
gain,=0A Steve=0A =C2-=0A =C2-=0A
=C2-=0A =C2-=0A Read this topic online =0A
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