---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/14/09: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:31 AM - Fuselage Dimensions (jim) 2. 06:55 AM - Re: Fuselage Dimensions (Ken Howe) 3. 07:07 AM - Re: Fuselage Dimensions (Gary Boothe) 4. 07:11 AM - Re: Air Camper splash page (Gary Boothe) 5. 07:51 AM - Re: Fuselage Dimensions (Ryan Mueller) 6. 07:59 AM - YouTube postings (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 08:02 AM - UK built-up wing spar (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 08:40 AM - Re: UK built-up wing spar (Lloyd Smith) 9. 08:47 AM - Re: UK built-up wing spar (Lloyd Smith) 10. 08:57 AM - Re: UK built-up wing spar (Gerry Holland) 11. 11:03 AM - Re: UK built-up wing spar () 12. 12:33 PM - Re: UK built-up wing spar (Peter W Johnson) 13. 01:49 PM - Re: UK built-up wing spar (Ryan Mueller) 14. 02:08 PM - Re: UK built-up wing spar (carson) 15. 03:13 PM - Re: YouTube postings (Gene & Tammy) 16. 04:19 PM - Re: Fuselage Dimensions (Ben Charvet) 17. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Dimensions (Jim) 18. 07:51 PM - Re: YouTube postings (Dan Yocum) 19. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Dimensions (Gary Boothe) 20. 08:46 PM - Re: Re: Re: Fuselage Dimensions (Jim) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:35 AM PST US From: "jim" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions I'm about to join the two sides of the fuselage, but, once again am struggling with the plans, specifically trying to figure out the top and bottom dimensions. Does anyone have a clean set of dimensions/drawings to help with this. I'm building the long fuse. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:00 AM PST US From: Ken Howe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions I'm not to that part of the project yet. Until now I hadn't looked enough at the plans set to realize that those dimensions aren't shown on the supplemental sheet. I guess what I'll end up doing is laying it out full size on the workbench where I'll assemble it. Actually I plan to build a mock-pit after I finish my ribs. Now I may do it full length just to get these dimensions. My thoughts: Lay out one half - start with a full length centerline. Draw the front of the fuse parallel to that, back to where ever you'll start the bend. The plans show full width back to the rear panel, but I know some have kept it full width to the rear seat back. Mark the position and width of the tail post on the centerline. Now take a flexible strip of wood, tack it to the full width, straight line at the front and bend it back to the tail post. Mark the cross member locations. Mirror the whole thing for the other side and measure away. Since there are so many variations, widened fuselage, different points to start the bend, adjusted seat back locations, etc., I'd think we'd all have to lay it out out this way unless building a stock short fuse. Let us know how it goes. --Ken jim wrote: > I'm about to join the two sides of the fuselage, but, once again am > struggling with the plans, specifically trying to figure out the top and > bottom dimensions. Does anyone have a clean set of dimensions/drawings > to help with this. I'm building the long fuse. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:44 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions Jim, Make your cockpit dimension to suit (whether 24" or wider), insert those x-members then squeeze the ends together at the tail. The rest of the dimensions will be whatever they are at that station. Happy Building, Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions I'm about to join the two sides of the fuselage, but, once again am struggling with the plans, specifically trying to figure out the top and bottom dimensions. Does anyone have a clean set of dimensions/drawings to help with this. I'm building the long fuse. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:10 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper splash page ...and a great representation of a Piet, too, for many reasons!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper splash page Wow, now this is fast action. On Wednesday I asked the list if anyone had a splash page for showing with a Piet at fly-ins. A day and a half later the attached shows up from Barry Davis. Thanks Barry - it'll go over great at the Jackson Co. Fly-In tomorrow! Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions From: Ryan Mueller I would think, looking at the plans (don't have the fuselage in front of me), that you would just use the dimensions from the overhead view on the '33 fuselage. The 'long' fuselage adds length between various stations, but it does not change the number of struts or diagonals. For example: on the '33 plans the vertical and diagonal members are numbered, 1 through 14. Label the members 1 through 14 on your long fuselage drawing, and just transfer the width dimensions. Stations #1-5 are 24". Starting with the seat back (station #7), it goes to 22" wide. Station #9 is 17 3/4". Station #11 is 11". Finally, Station #13 is 5 1/2". I assume there were no widths given on the supplemental long fuse plan because the intent is for you to use the same width dimensions given on the '33 sheet; no need to draw it out again. At least that's how I see it.... Ryan On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, jim wrote: > I'm about to join the two sides of the fuselage, but, once again am > struggling with the plans, specifically trying to figure out the top and > bottom dimensions. Does anyone have a clean set of dimensions/drawings to > help with this. I'm building the long fuse. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:29 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: YouTube postings C'mon, you guys- be serious. Don't even bother posting videos of landings on grass because it's almost impossible to make a bad landing on grass. Too forgiving. Paved, hard-surface runways only! do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:44 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar Is the built-up (box) wing spar that is approved for use in the U.K. a 3/4" thick spar or 1"? I've looked at pictures of one (Paul Shenton's, I believe) and can't see how it could possibly be 3/4". Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar From: Lloyd Smith Oscar, I have looked at the built up spars as well, and it is hard to determine how they are constructed from photos. I have searched for a place to order the PFA drawings for this spar, but all I have found is Mr. Trextor's drawings of his proposed spar. It looks doable, but I'm interested in the necessity of intercostals where the ribs attach, filler blocks where fittings attach, etc. These things are just as important as the spanwise loads because that's how we hang the fuse from the wing, :-) On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Is the built-up (box) wing spar that is approved > for use in the U.K. a 3/4" thick spar or 1"? I've > looked at pictures of one (Paul Shenton's, I believe) > and can't see how it could possibly be 3/4". > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar From: Lloyd Smith I did just find this, but I wonder if the spar drawings are available as a supplement to US builders? http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/modifications-data/4533829721 On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Lloyd Smith wrote: > Oscar, I have looked at the built up spars as well, and it is hard to > determine how they are constructed from photos. I have searched for a place > to order the PFA drawings for this spar, but all I have found is Mr. > Trextor's drawings of his proposed spar. It looks doable, but I'm > interested in the necessity of intercostals where the ribs attach, filler > blocks where fittings attach, etc. These things are just as important as > the spanwise loads because that's how we hang the fuse from the wing, :-) > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >> > >> >> >> Is the built-up (box) wing spar that is approved >> for use in the U.K. a 3/4" thick spar or 1"? I've >> looked at pictures of one (Paul Shenton's, I believe) >> and can't see how it could possibly be 3/4". >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists > or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British > publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954) > -- "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar From: Gerry Holland Hi Might be worth dropping a line to Alan James in UK (aka Mr. Pietenpol) and asking about this matter. gbucojames@hotmail.com Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:26 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar Over the years I as well as others have been unsuccessfully in getting the UK spar plans. The person who designed the spar will not sell them to anyone in the U.S. due to liability concerns. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lloyd Smith To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar Oscar, I have looked at the built up spars as well, and it is hard to determine how they are constructed from photos. I have searched for a place to order the PFA drawings for this spar, but all I have found is Mr. Trextor's drawings of his proposed spar. It looks doable, but I'm interested in the necessity of intercostals where the ribs attach, filler blocks where fittings attach, etc. These things are just as important as the spanwise loads because that's how we hang the fuse from the wing, :-) On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: Is the built-up (box) wing spar that is approved for use in the U.K. a 3/4" thick spar or 1"? I've looked at pictures of one (Paul Shenton's, I believe) and can't see how it could possibly be 3/4". Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ========== ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== -- "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:44 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar Oscar, I built the UK spar. Check out http://www.cpc-world.com Page 4 of the build photos. The front spar is 7/8", the rear is 3/4". Both are covered with 1/8" ply totally on the front of the spars and in part on the rear of the spars. I can give you some dimensions if you like. I understand, as already suggested, Jim Wills will not sell to the US for fear of litigation if some thing fails. I have put them to the test and they don't fail..... Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Sunday, 15 November 2009 2:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar Is the built-up (box) wing spar that is approved for use in the U.K. a 3/4" thick spar or 1"? I've looked at pictures of one (Paul Shenton's, I believe) and can't see how it could possibly be 3/4". Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar From: Ryan Mueller Will he sell them to Canadians? Ryan do not archive On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, wrote: > Over the years I as well as others have been unsuccessfully in getting > the UK spar plans. The person who designed the spar will not sell them to > anyone in the U.S. due to liability concerns. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Lloyd Smith > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:34 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: UK built-up wing spar > > Oscar, I have looked at the built up spars as well, and it is hard to > determine how they are constructed from photos. I have searched for a place > to order the PFA drawings for this spar, but all I have found is Mr. > Trextor's drawings of his proposed spar. It looks doable, but I'm > interested in the necessity of intercostals where the ribs attach, filler > blocks where fittings attach, etc. These things are just as important as > the spanwise loads because that's how we hang the fuse from the wing, :-) > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >> > >> >> >> Is the built-up (box) wing spar that is approved >> for use in the U.K. a 3/4" thick spar or 1"? I've >> looked at pictures of one (Paul Shenton's, I believe) >> and can't see how it could possibly be 3/4". >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> ========== >> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> le, List Admin. >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists > or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British > publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954) > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: UK built-up wing spar From: "carson" Heres some pic's of mine I almost have one wing built but I can take photos of any part of the other two spars before I start assembly of the next wing if you have any specific requests Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272848#272848 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lotsa_stuff_150_704.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lotsa_stuff_149_383.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lotsa_stuff_148_620.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:27 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: YouTube postings I 2nd that! And where are the tall trees at each end of the runway? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: YouTube postings > > > C'mon, you guys- be serious. Don't even bother > posting videos of landings on grass because it's > almost impossible to make a bad landing on grass. > Too forgiving. Paved, hard-surface runways only! > > do not archive > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:43:00 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:37 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions That's what I did.. Ben Charvet Airworthiness inspection scheduled for 12/4! Ryan Mueller wrote: > I would think, looking at the plans (don't have the fuselage in front > of me), that you would just use the dimensions from the overhead view > on the '33 fuselage. The 'long' fuselage adds length between various > stations, but it does not change the number of struts or diagonals. > For example: on the '33 plans the vertical and diagonal members are > numbered, 1 through 14. Label the members 1 through 14 on your long > fuselage drawing, and just transfer the width dimensions. > > Stations #1-5 are 24". Starting with the seat back (station #7), it > goes to 22" wide. Station #9 is 17 3/4". Station #11 is 11". Finally, > Station #13 is 5 1/2". > > I assume there were no widths given on the supplemental long fuse plan > because the intent is for you to use the same width dimensions given > on the '33 sheet; no need to draw it out again. At least that's how I > see it.... > > Ryan > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, jim > wrote: > > I'm about to join the two sides of the fuselage, but, once again > am struggling with the plans, specifically trying to figure out > the top and bottom dimensions. Does anyone have a clean set of > dimensions/drawings to help with this. I'm building the long fuse. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:40 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions Oh come on Gary, thats too common sense. It must be harder than that. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Nov 14, 2009 07:11:01 AM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote: Jim, Make your cockpit dimension to suit (whether 24 or wider), insert those x-members then squeeze the ends together at the tail. The rest of the dimensions will be whatever they are at that station. Happy Building, Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions I'm about to join the two sides of the fuselage, but, once again am struggling with the plans, specifically trying to figure out the top and bottom dimensions. Does anyone have a clean set of dimensions/drawings to help with this. I'm building the long fuse. Thanks, Jim http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comhttp://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List'>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com'>http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:55 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: YouTube postings OK, so a week before before my "5 minutes" email and youtube video, I rounded out and flared so high on the grass strip at BUU that when I bounced the first time, there wasn't enough time to bounce again before the CFI pushed the throttle forward and we went around. No, there's no video. There was 3 things that I came away with on that go around: 1) This airplane is built like a tank! I must have bounced in from 10'. OK, maybe it just felt that high, but it sure bounced. No creaks or bangs or anything made me think it was going to come apart. What a great plane! 2) This airfoil responds well to any sort of power input. When he applied power the plane never dipped again. 3) When you flare too high, just push the stick forward *a little bit* and let it sink gently to the ground, easy as pie. Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > C'mon, you guys- be serious. Don't even bother > posting videos of landings on grass because it's > almost impossible to make a bad landing on grass. > Too forgiving. Paved, hard-surface runways only! > > do not archive > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:29 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions Things have to be simple for me to understand them! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions Oh come on Gary, thats too common sense. It must be harder than that. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Nov 14, 2009 07:11:01 AM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote: Jim, Make your cockpit dimension to suit (whether 24" or wider), insert those x-members then squeeze the ends together at the tail. The rest of the dimensions will be whatever they are at that station. Happy Building, Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions I'm about to join the two sides of the fuselage, but, once again am struggling with the plans, specifically trying to figure out the top and bottom dimensions. Does anyone have a clean set of dimensions/drawings to help with this. I'm building the long fuse. Thanks, Jim http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comhttp:/ /www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contri bution">http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?Pietenpol-List'>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp:// forums.matronics.com'>http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:26 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions Hi Gary, The sarcasm was unkind of me; I apologize to anyone who might have read it. Some questions I have asked have been even more obvious. Oh well I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night but I did mash my right thumb with a hammer today trying to seal the lid on a can of varnish. Cheers, Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Nov 14, 2009, Gary Boothe wrote: Things have to be simple for me to understand them! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions Oh come on Gary, thats too common sense. It must be harder than that. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Nov 14, 2009 07:11:01 AM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote: Jim, Make your cockpit dimension to suit (whether 24" or wider), insert those x-members then squeeze the ends together at the tail. The rest of the dimensions will be whatever they are at that station. Happy Building, Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Dimensions I'm about to join the two sides of the fuselage, but, once again am struggling with the plans, specifically trying to figure out the top and bottom dimensions. Does anyone have a clean set of dimensions/drawings to help with this. I'm building the long fuse. 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