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0. 12:15 AM - Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year... (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:30 AM - Re: rib/spar orientation (vman1922)
2. 11:01 AM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Corvair Oil Pan Conversion (Rick Holland)
3. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: General Pietenpol questions (Gene & Tammy)
4. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: General Pietenpol questions (Dan Yocum)
5. 01:04 PM - removing contact cement (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 01:50 PM - Re: removing contact cement (Perry Rhoads)
7. 01:50 PM - Re: removing contact cement (Jim Markle)
8. 04:16 PM - Re: shipping aluminum sheet (John Recine)
9. 04:24 PM - Re: removing contact cement (Dick N.)
10. 04:33 PM - Re: static thrust (Rick Holland)
11. 06:24 PM - Re: removing contact cement (Lloyd Smith)
12. 06:38 PM - Re: static thrust (gliderx5@comcast.net)
13. 07:04 PM - Re: shipping aluminum sheet (Jack)
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| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year... |
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| Subject: | Re: rib/spar orientation |
Thanks to all of you for your replies. They helped the old brain better see things.
I have used my eraser. I will use the cord line - it is about two degrees
different.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273940#273940
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| Subject: | Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Corvair Oil Pan Conversion |
Much better welds than I could have done with my tig.
rick
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, dwilson <marwilson@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Here are a couple of Pictures of a Corvair Oil Pan that had the ears welded
> on by Mr. Pietenpol.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273744#273744
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pan2_173.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pan1_189.jpg
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: General Pietenpol questions |
Negel, if you haven't already joined, I would suggest joining the Yahoo
Flybaby List. There are some on that list that are from your area and at
least one that I know of that has flown both the flybaby and the Piet. I
would suggest belonging to both lists to anyone that is building or owns a
wooden airplane. Lots of good info and frendly folks.
Gene
N502R in sunny & beautiful Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "njones" <deville-66@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: General Pietenpol questions
>
> Thanks for all the very interesting input on this subject. What really
> says it all is that the Piet flys like a Cub. I will definitely get some
> Cub time if and when I go this route.
>
> PS, to Gene in "rainy Tennessee", we are in Salmon Arm at the north end of
> the Okanagan Valley, right on Shuswap Lake.
>
> Nigel
>
> --------
> Nigel R. Jones
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273640#273640
>
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| Subject: | Re: General Pietenpol questions |
And just to throw another pot on the fire, you should also look into the
flitzer-builders mailing list on Yahoo, too. Again, it's a great list
to belong to if you're thinking of building a wooden aircraft and lots
of friendly folks over there.
There's something about those old wooden airplanes that attracts the
best kind of people...
Cheers,
Dan
Gene & Tammy wrote:
> <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
>
> Negel, if you haven't already joined, I would suggest joining the Yahoo
> Flybaby List. There are some on that list that are from your area and
> at least one that I know of that has flown both the flybaby and the
> Piet. I would suggest belonging to both lists to anyone that is
> building or owns a wooden airplane. Lots of good info and frendly folks.
> Gene
> N502R in sunny & beautiful Tennessee
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | removing contact cement |
Does anyone have recommendations regarding how to
remove contact cement from painted surfaces? For
example, if a gasket or trim comes off of an auto
and needs to be reattached but there is contact
cement residue (the typical yellow cement), is there
something that will release the old cement without
harming the paint?
Most cement cans, like the Weldwood that I have,
says to use mineral spirits for cleanup but before
I try it I thought I'd ask. The paint is enamel.
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: removing contact cement |
Lighter fluid.......................
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: removing contact cement
>
>
> Does anyone have recommendations regarding how to
> remove contact cement from painted surfaces? For
> example, if a gasket or trim comes off of an auto
> and needs to be reattached but there is contact
> cement residue (the typical yellow cement), is there
> something that will release the old cement without
> harming the paint?
>
> Most cement cans, like the Weldwood that I have,
> says to use mineral spirits for cleanup but before
> I try it I thought I'd ask. The paint is enamel.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: removing contact cement |
The Stewart Systems DVD shows them removing their cement (which has been described
by some as "just like rubber cement") with one of those big soft rubbery looking
cleaning stick thingys you clean sanding disks/belts with....
Couldn't hurt to give it a try....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 20, 2009 4:03 PM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: removing contact cement
>
>
>
>Does anyone have recommendations regarding how to
>remove contact cement from painted surfaces? For
>example, if a gasket or trim comes off of an auto
>and needs to be reattached but there is contact
>cement residue (the typical yellow cement), is there
>something that will release the old cement without
>harming the paint?
>
>Most cement cans, like the Weldwood that I have,
>says to use mineral spirits for cleanup but before
>I try it I thought I'd ask. The paint is enamel.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: shipping aluminum sheet |
Okay sports fans a plug for my employer Macsteel Service Centers USA. Look them
up on the website. You may find exactly what you're looking for right down the
street from your home. Call place the order pay for it when you pick it up
and you're done. Just like a Piet, simple, light and cheap what could be easier?
John
------Original Message------
From: Oscar Zuniga
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping aluminum sheet
Sent: Nov 18, 2009 11:11 AM
Aircraft Spruce and others indicate that 4'x12' sheets
of aluminum up to about .030" can be shipped as one
piece by rolling and boxing. They caution that they
don't guarantee that the heavier gauge material will
unroll completely flat when shipped this way. Has
anyone ordered sheet stock that was shipped rolled
this way, and what was your experience with it?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: removing contact cement |
I have had good luck with Goof Off from the hardware store. Also, VM&P
Naptha works well.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: removing contact cement
Does anyone have recommendations regarding how to
remove contact cement from painted surfaces? For
example, if a gasket or trim comes off of an auto
and needs to be reattached but there is contact
cement residue (the typical yellow cement), is there
something that will release the old cement without
harming the paint?
Most cement cans, like the Weldwood that I have,
says to use mineral spirits for cleanup but before
I try it I thought I'd ask. The paint is enamel.
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: static thrust |
Good analysis work Malcolm. How did you measure your static thrust? I am
also test running a WW Corvair conversion but with an MA3 and get 2950 with
a 66x30 Tennessee prop, running at 6700 ft. (around 18% less HP than sea
level).
Rick
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:37 PM, <gliderx5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Dan
>
> I have the results of my static thrust testing at
> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/engine_test.html<http://home.comcast.net/%7Emmorrison123/engine_test.html>.
> Corvair with a homemade prop. 2500 RPM static giving 280 lbs thrust. I
> spoke with William Wynne at Oshkosh, and he indicated that for a Piet I
> should be more like 2700 RPM and 350 lbs thrust. I may look at getting a
> Warp prop. It is highly likely that the factory can make a better prop than
> I can.
>
> Malcolm Morrison
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: helspersew@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:49:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: static thrust
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> Has anyone done a static thrust test on their flying airplane (or almost
> flying?). I have measured 265 lbs. with my Model A and my 76/46 prop. I
> would be curious how this stands up to others.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: removing contact cement |
If the above items don't work, toluene or MEK will work, but they would be a
last resort item and I'd definitely test it on an inconspicuous area first.
They are pretty aggressive solvents, but are recommended for thinning 1300L,
the yellow snot adhesive you're probably dealing with.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Dick N. <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
>
> I have had good luck with Goof Off from the hardware store. Also, VM&P
> Naptha works well.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 3:03 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: removing contact cement
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone have recommendations regarding how to
> remove contact cement from painted surfaces? For
> example, if a gasket or trim comes off of an auto
> and needs to be reattached but there is contact
> cement residue (the typical yellow cement), is there
> something that will release the old cement without
> harming the paint?
>
> Most cement cans, like the Weldwood that I have,
> says to use mineral spirits for cleanup but before
> I try it I thought I'd ask. The paint is enamel.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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| Subject: | Re: static thrust |
Thanks Rick
I measured the thrust with a large spring pull gauge, like you might use to weigh
a fish. The first gauge I used only measured up to 200 lbs so I hooked a pulley
to the tail of the Piet and ran a rope from the trailer hitch on my car,
through the pulley, and back to the gauge, which was also hooked to my trailer
hitch. Later I borrowed a 300 lb gauge and did away with the pulley. Both setups
gave the same readings and I verified the gauge readings by hanging myself
from a tree. No harm done! Good luck with your project and keep us posted on
your test run results. It sounds like your RPMs are very good for your prop and
it would be interesting to see what the thrust is.
Malcolm Morrison
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:27:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: static thrust
Good analysis work Malcolm. How did you measure your static thrust? I am also test
running a WW Corvair conversion but with an MA3 and get 2950 with a 66x30
Tennessee prop, running at 6700 ft. (around 18% less HP than sea level).
Rick
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:37 PM, < gliderx5@comcast.net > wrote:
Dan
I have the results of my static thrust testing at http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/engine_test.html . Corvair with a homemade prop. 2500 RPM static giving 280 lbs thrust. I spoke with William Wynne at Oshkosh, and he indicated that for a Piet I should be more like 2700 RPM and 350 lbs thrust. I may look at getting a Warp prop. It is highly likely that the factory can make a better prop than I can.
Malcolm Morrison
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:49:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: static thrust
Gentlemen,
Has anyone done a static thrust test on their flying airplane (or almost flying?).
I have measured 265 lbs. with my Model A and my 76/46 prop. I would be curious
how this stands up to others.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: shipping aluminum sheet |
John,
You didn't mention a Piet discount!
Jack
DSM
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On Nov 20, 2009, at 6:09 PM, "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
> <amsafetyc@aol.com>
>
> Okay sports fans a plug for my employer Macsteel Service Centers
> USA. Look them up on the website. You may find exactly what you're
> looking for right down the street from your home. Call place the
> order pay for it when you pick it up and you're done. Just like a
> Piet, simple, light and cheap what could be easier?
>
> John
> ------Original Message------
> From: Oscar Zuniga
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: Pietenpol builders Board
> ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping aluminum sheet
> Sent: Nov 18, 2009 11:11 AM
>
> >
>
>
> Aircraft Spruce and others indicate that 4'x12' sheets
> of aluminum up to about .030" can be shipped as one
> piece by rolling and boxing. They caution that they
> don't guarantee that the heavier gauge material will
> unroll completely flat when shipped this way. Has
> anyone ordered sheet stock that was shipped rolled
> this way, and what was your experience with it?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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