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1. 01:18 AM - Re: Riblett 612 plans needed (ivan.todorovic)
2. 05:27 AM - Re: Three Continental A-65 engines for sale (Gene & Tammy)
3. 05:56 AM - off topic-- two walk away from Stearman accident (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
4. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: travel (Ryan Mueller)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: travel (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 07:19 AM - covering question-drain grommets (Lawrence Williams)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: Three Continental A-65 engines for sale (Tim Willis)
8. 08:02 AM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (Don Emch)
9. 10:26 AM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (Jeff Boatright)
10. 12:54 PM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (airlion)
11. 01:16 PM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (Gene Rambo)
12. 02:21 PM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (wizzard187@aol.com)
13. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 plans needed (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
14. 08:26 PM - covering question-drain grommets (Oscar Zuniga)
15. 08:57 PM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (Robert Ray)
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 plans needed |
coxwelljon wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Do you have access to a CADD program? If so here is a link to a DWG file for
the 612 airfoil.
>
That is the link to the wrong 612 Airfoil. That's what happens when you use the
short names. Airfoil on that site is GA37-612, and for AirCampers it is recommended
to use GA30-612.
I've attached to this message DXF and PDF files I've maid, with correct airfoil.
Use them, or pay for the drawings somebody is selling on this list. That drawing
has full rib details, although spar distance and other details are drawn
for classic Pietenpol, I guess you'll have to draw your own for GN-1.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274594#274594
Attachments:
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/ga30u_612_872.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Three Continental A-65 engines for sale |
Tim, what a great price! As a side note, I spent $6,000 rebuilding my A
65-8 and I really searched for the best prices. I'm going to assume he had
a lot of the parts already.
Do you mind if I post the ad on the Flybaby site? For anyone looking to use
an A 65 on their project, they should look into these.
Gene
N502R in Rainy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Three Continental A-65 engines for sale
> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> The last couple of days I talked with Ben Tucker in Spring, TX (north of
> metro Houston) at 936.653.5231. He has three Continental A-65-8 engines
> for sale. Two are already built up and the third will be after he sells
> the first two. The price for each is $3500.
>
> As you likely know, these are the engines that have onlhy magnetosw for an
> electric system-- no starter, regulator or gen./alternator. Ben has taken
> the engines apart and replaced whatever was needed to get them into specs,
> whether bearings, rings, valves, or whatever. He can provide the details.
>
> I have never met Ben, and he is not a licensed A&P, but he was trained as
> an A&P mechanic by the air Corps in 1945, and has worked on engines ever
> since, rebuilding many engines, building many experimentals, and
> rebuilding many commercially built aircraft. He certainly impressed me
> with his autheniticity, over the phone.
>
> I suggest that if you are interested in such an engine and do not yet have
> one, to give Ben a call. He can fill you in details. He doesn't do the
> Internet or email.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
>
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| Subject: | off topic-- two walk away from Stearman accident |
I love how the owner of Creve Coeur Airport in St. Louis is so matter of fa
ct and candid about this
event. Just the antidote that the news media needs when they tend to sensa
tionalize stories like this otherwise.
I doubt if I could be this calm and collected after experiencing such an ev
ent. The wisdom and intelligence of
the older generations.
Mike C.
do not archive
http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-man-survives-small-plane-crash-112209,0,34
34461.story
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Thanks for taking the time to come up for a visit, John. We had a great time
chatting, and checking out the pictures of your good looking Pietenpol
coming together. We hope you have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!
Now, time to prepare for Markle.... :P
Have a good day!
Ryan
do not archive
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:15 PM, John Recine <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
> Just got back from my Chicago trip yesterday during which I had the
> pleasure of visiting Ryan and Jess at their place. I really enjoyed hanging
> out with them and sharing in their hospitality. Great people nice friends
> and committed to the Piet just can't thank them enough for making the
> ordinary business into a really great visit.
>
> Thanks Ryan and Jess btw the brownies would have been much better with more
> ready whip, lol. I loved it!
>
> And don't tell Mike!
> Do not archive
>
> John
>
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Ryan,
Thanks again for having me. FYI there is no way to prepare for Markle.
Hey quick question the piece you showed me, what was the brand and how can
I look them up on line I am interested.
Thanks again and Happy Thanksgiving
John
In a message dated 11/24/2009 10:13:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
Thanks for taking the time to come up for a visit, John. We had a great
time chatting, and checking out the pictures of your good looking Pietenpol
coming together. We hope you have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!
Now, time to prepare for Markle.... :P
Have a good day!
Ryan
do not archive
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:15 PM, John Recine <_amsafetyc@aol.com_
(mailto:amsafetyc@aol.com) > wrote:
Just got back from my Chicago trip yesterday during which I had the
pleasure of visiting Ryan and Jess at their place. I really enjoyed hanging out
with them and sharing in their hospitality. Great people nice friends and
committed to the Piet just can't thank them enough for making the ordinary
business into a really great visit.
Thanks Ryan and Jess btw the brownies would have been much better with
more ready whip, lol. I loved it!
And don't tell Mike!
Do not archive
John
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/)
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(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
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| Subject: | covering question-drain grommets |
Just remember that if you use too many seaplane grommets on the Pietenpol a
irfoil you risk creating so much suction that it could start collapsing rib
s. This is especially true if you exceed 70 mph which is why I tend to fly
more slowly than most.
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Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Three Continental A-65 engines for sale |
Gene,
Go ahead and post there. I would not be surprised if he did not have many, many
parts.
As I mentioned, I do not know the man, but felt reassured enough by his conversation
on another engine that I think he is kosher.
BTW, that engine is a much larger engine for another project altogether-- a PGK-1
Hirondelle. Take a look at that-- google it and check out the Wikapedia and
the Western Aircraft sites for pix. Apparently it cruises at about 130 mph
with 108 hp and maybe 20 mph more with 150-160 hp, as from my new engine. I was
given the fuselage over two years ago by a poor fellow who had lost the plans
and his mind (Alzheimer's), so that he could not recall building it, what it
was, etc. I will have the plans late this week. I will also have an O-320
Lycoming and a metal prop by then. That should be a potent combo. Miles to go,
though, before anything here flies.
I plan to SIT on those pieces until the Piet and I have gone through the needed
transitions for both of us to be together in the air.
Please post none of this except para. 2, my evaluation of his credibility.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
>Sent: Nov 24, 2009 7:26 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Three Continental A-65 engines for sale
>
>
>Tim, what a great price! As a side note, I spent $6,000 rebuilding my A
>65-8 and I really searched for the best prices. I'm going to assume he had
>a lot of the parts already.
>Do you mind if I post the ad on the Flybaby site? For anyone looking to use
>an A 65 on their project, they should look into these.
>Gene
>N502R in Rainy Tennessee
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>To: "matronics piet site" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:53 AM
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Three Continental A-65 engines for sale
>
>
>> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>>
>> The last couple of days I talked with Ben Tucker in Spring, TX (north of
>> metro Houston) at 936.653.5231. He has three Continental A-65-8 engines
>> for sale. Two are already built up and the third will be after he sells
>> the first two. The price for each is $3500.
>>
>> As you likely know, these are the engines that have onlhy magnetosw for an
>> electric system-- no starter, regulator or gen./alternator. Ben has taken
>> the engines apart and replaced whatever was needed to get them into specs,
>> whether bearings, rings, valves, or whatever. He can provide the details.
>>
>> I have never met Ben, and he is not a licensed A&P, but he was trained as
>> an A&P mechanic by the air Corps in 1945, and has worked on engines ever
>> since, rebuilding many engines, building many experimentals, and
>> rebuilding many commercially built aircraft. He certainly impressed me
>> with his autheniticity, over the phone.
>>
>> I suggest that if you are interested in such an engine and do not yet have
>> one, to give Ben a call. He can fill you in details. He doesn't do the
>> Internet or email.
>>
>> Tim in central TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>07:38:00
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: covering question-drain grommets |
Wow Larry,
I am so glad I didn't use the seaplane grommets. I do sometimes get up to around
80 mph. I realize that is an area of the envelope you can't visit, but you
make a great point and this should be a warning to those of us that can.
Thanks Larry!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Absolutely DO NOT ARCHIVE!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274636#274636
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| Subject: | Re: covering question-drain grommets |
Hey, you tol' me it's because you're cheap and don't want to burn the
extra fuel it takes to go 68 mph!
>Just remember that if you use too many seaplane grommets on the
>Pietenpol airfoil you risk creating so much suction that it could
>start collapsing ribs. This is especially true if you exceed 70 mph
>which is why I tend to fly more slowly than most.
>
>Larry
>
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: covering question-drain grommets |
you have got to be kidding
________________________________
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 10:17:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets
Just remember that if you use too many seaplane grommets on the Pietenpol airfoil
you risk creating so much suction that it could start collapsing ribs. This
is especially true if you exceed 70 mph which is why I tend to fly more slowly
than most.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: covering question-drain grommets |
of course, if you go even faster, the suction will actually make you go
backwards . . .
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams<mailto:lnawms@yahoo.com>
To: Pietlist<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets
Just remember that if you use too many seaplane grommets on the
Pietenpol airfoil you risk creating so much suction that it could start
collapsing ribs. This is especially true if you exceed 70 mph which is
why I tend to fly more slowly than most.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: covering question-drain grommets |
I know one guy that used seaplane grommets and it sank on the first landi
ng
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 24, 2009 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets
of course, if you go even faster, the suction will actually make you go ba
ckwards . . .
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets
Just remember that if you use too many seaplane grommets on the Pietenpol
airfoil you risk creating so much suction that it could start collapsing
ribs. This is especially true if you exceed 70 mph which is why I tend to
fly more slowly than most.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 plans needed |
If you search the archives you'll find an xls spreadsheet with the 612 co-ordinates.
You can loft the plot points directly onto your rib jig.
You don't really need a drawing.
If you can't find it, I can email the file to you.
Regards,
JohnW
Perth Western australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "ivan.todorovic" <tosha@sezampro.rs>
Sent: Tuesday, 24 November, 2009 5:16:32 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong
Kong / Urumqi
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett 612 plans needed
coxwelljon wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Do you have access to a CADD program? If so here is a link to a DWG file for
the 612 airfoil.
>
That is the link to the wrong 612 Airfoil. That's what happens when you use the
short names. Airfoil on that site is GA37-612, and for AirCampers it is recommended
to use GA30-612.
I've attached to this message DXF and PDF files I've maid, with correct airfoil.
Use them, or pay for the drawings somebody is selling on this list. That drawing
has full rib details, although spar distance and other details are drawn
for classic Pietenpol, I guess you'll have to draw your own for GN-1.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274594#274594
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/ga30u_612_113.dxf
http://forums.matronics.com//files/ga30u_612_872.pdf
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| Subject: | covering question-drain grommets |
I was very concerned about the drain grommets on
41CC when I first started flying it. I noticed
that when the airspeed would get close to 75-80 MPH
indicated, I'd look out at the underside of the wing
trailing edges and the bottom of the wing fabric
would begin bellying towards the trailing edges as
the venturi suction past the seaplane grommets created
a vacuum inside the wing. The reshaping of the wing
would shift the center of pressure forward such that
the pitching moment moved aft, until the airplane
would pitch up and no amount of forward stick would
control the airplane. I would immediately slow the
airplane to avoid an uncontrollable, deadly
condition and the airplane was an unmanageable beast.
Then I'd wake up, shake myself, pull the blankets up,
and go back to sleep ;o) Folks, don't worry about
drain grommets.
Happy Thanksgiving, Pietenpolers. Friends, all.
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: covering question-drain grommets |
I liked this! You had me for a minute.
Russell
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>
> I was very concerned about the drain grommets on
> 41CC when I first started flying it. I noticed
> that when the airspeed would get close to 75-80 MPH
> indicated, I'd look out at the underside of the wing
> trailing edges and the bottom of the wing fabric
> would begin bellying towards the trailing edges as
> the venturi suction past the seaplane grommets created
> a vacuum inside the wing. The reshaping of the wing
> would shift the center of pressure forward such that
> the pitching moment moved aft, until the airplane
> would pitch up and no amount of forward stick would
> control the airplane. I would immediately slow the
> airplane to avoid an uncontrollable, deadly
> condition and the airplane was an unmanageable beast.
>
> Then I'd wake up, shake myself, pull the blankets up,
> and go back to sleep ;o) Folks, don't worry about
> drain grommets.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving, Pietenpolers. Friends, all.
>
> do not archive
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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