---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/26/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:11 AM - What Are You Thankful For...? (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:25 AM - Re: Fw: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger (H RULE) 2. 05:46 AM - Fw: [flybabylist] Engine avail (from craigslist) (Gene & Tammy) 3. 08:49 AM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (Doug Dever) 4. 10:52 AM - Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger (yocum137) 5. 03:42 PM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (Clif Dawson) 6. 04:46 PM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (Gene Rambo) 7. 07:00 PM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (Kip and Beth Gardner) 8. 07:17 PM - Re: covering question-drain grommets (Tim Willis) 9. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger (gcardinal) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:03 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: What Are You Thankful For...? Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:10 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger LOL!! Your probably right on there!=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________ ________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe =0ATo: p ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:24:47 PM=0ASu bject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger=0A=0A =0AHe=99s thinking, =9CI could=99ve offered a ri de to a pretty, young, 110 lb sweetheart, instead of this 195 lb old guy =9D=0A=C2-=0AGary=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0A From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list -server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE=0ASent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:01 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Li st: Fw: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger=0A=C2-=0AHe looks like he' s ready to shoot the red Baron!!!=0Ado=C2- not archive=0A=C2-=0A=0A____ ____________________________=0A=0AFrom:Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, November 25, 2009 5:01:19 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenge r=0AGreg,=0A=C2-=0AI=99m crushed! You didn=99t smile at me li ke that.=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A.but, then, I=99m not quite so purtee=0A=C2-=0AHappy Thanksgiving,=0AGary Boothe=0ACoo l, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion, mounted=0ATail done,=C2-Fusel age=C2-on gear=0A(15 ribs down)=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0A=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pie tenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal=0ASent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:17 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Pi etenpol-List: Fw: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2 -=0ASeven steps to becoming a proper Pietenpol passenger-=0A>=C2-=0A>St ep #1 - Left foot on tire, one hand on each cabane........=0A>=0A__________ ______________________=0A=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>Step #2 Head and shoulders go all the way through the cockpit as you step in with your right foot.... .....=0A>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2 -=0A>Step#3 - Put on your seatbelt, goggles and earplugs......... =0A>=0A ________________________________=0A=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2- =0A>Step #4 - Relax and get ready to enjoy your flight........... =0A>=0A__ ______________________________=0A=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>Step #5 - Enjoy the pretty, rural towns from the air........... =0A>=0A____________ ____________________=0A=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>Step #6 - After la nding, thank your pilot for a nice flight............. =0A>=0A_____________ ___________________=0A=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>Step #7 - Tell the world what you think of Pietenpols! =0A>=0A________________________________ =0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:28 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [flybabylist] Engine avail (from craigslist) FYI from the flybaby Yahoo site. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: matt Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:31 AM Subject: [flybabylist] Engine avail (from craigslist) Continental A65 Aircraft Engine - $950 (Woodland, WA) Reply to: sale-tfadb-1481226773@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] Continental A-65 Aircraft Engine - $950 OBO - Cash ONLY! This airplane engine (as you can see from the photos) has the keyed, tapered crankshaft meant to be used with a wood prop. An adapter was made to convert from this to the flanged style for a metal prop, but they are apparently a bit difficult to find. The engine is complete except for the following: 1. Intake spider 2. Carburetor 3. Magneto's 4. Oil Tank 5. Exhaust System The engine has been (and remains) completely disassembled. I took the components to Premier Aircraft in Troutdale, OR and had them inspected and have the "yellow tags" and other documents from that. The engine also comes with the basic rebuilt kit which includes a number of new parts that can be used during the reassembly and a new reprint of the Continental Maintenance and Overhaul Manual. The outcome of Premier's analysis was that all the parts are serviceable (thus the yellow tags. However, one cylinder has some minor pitting which can be repaired in one of two ways (it would work as it is, but since it's apart, I would fix it if I planned to use the engine): 1. Bore the cylinder oversize, chrome it then honing it to original spec's 2. Boring and honing the cylinder oversize and installing the appropriate oversize piston rings-I am told this also requires that the other cylinders be bored and oversize rings installed in those, too. I am not an A&P Mechanic, so I don't honestly know with certainty which would be preferable...I WAS told by Premier that either would work or that the cylinder could be left as it is since it meets the original spec's and is yellow-tagged as such. I will only sell the engine complete rather than as separate parts because I would rather not have to try to determine individual part values. Again I AM NOT AN A&P and am NOT attempting to represent this as anything more than a used engine, parts of which have been inspected and pronounced to be serviceable by Premier and, I presume, could be reassembled and made functional at minimal expense. If you have questions please reply to this ad with your e-mail address, name and/or phone and I will contact you ASAP. I have "scans" of the yellow tags, the engine nameplate, manual cover and other documents I got from Premier verifying what I paid for the inspections.I will be happy to send those to you if you want to verify the documents. I would also prefer to sell this to someone locally who is willing to pick it up since I think it's best you see what you're buying first. I will say this one final time: I am NOT an A&P, do not represent myself as one and am NOT interested in hearing what I DON'T know about this engine. It is a used engine and carries with it all the potential problems associated with that---and is being sold "AS IS". I would like to sell the engine, that's all. Anyone who plays with airplanes knows there is no "sure thing" when it comes to mechanical issues. Even new ones break. I am not listing a phone as I am in and out a lot, but do check my mail frequently, so I think that's the best method of contacting me. * Location: Woodland, WA * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests image 1481226773-0 image 1481226773-1 image 1481226773-2 image 1481226773-3 __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: a.. New Members 6 Visit Your Group Start a New Topic Message guidelines can be found at: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/guide.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: flybabylist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com MARKETPLACE Parenting Zone: Find useful resources for a happy, healthy family and home Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. __,_._,___ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 11/24/09 19:37:00 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:53 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets I dought that it could create that much suction. Remember there are many ot her holes in the wing not creating much suction. Root rib comes to mind. We had them on the Tri-Pacer and the fabric did not even concave at all. a nd that was at 125mph. And those ribs were not any stronger than the Piets .. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: lnawms@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets Just remember that if you use too many seaplane grommets on the Pietenpol a irfoil you risk creating so much suction that it could start collapsing rib s. This is especially true if you exceed 70 mph which is why I tend to fly more slowly than most. Larry _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T: WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger From: "yocum137" Greg What town is that? I went to high school in Stillwater, MN so I'm sort of a Mud Duck... Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274965#274965 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:30 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets Unless you have absolutely sealed off the wing panel, full ply covered inner end, etc, then there will be more than enough air entering the panel to take up the space of the air sucked out. :-) Maybe you should use gronicles instead. Clif "A person learns to skate by staggering about and making a fool of himself; indeed, he progresses in all things by making a fool of himself." -- George Bernard Shaw, playwright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets I dought that it could create that much suction. Remember there are many other holes in the wing not creating much suction. Root rib comes to mind. We had them on the Tri-Pacer and the fabric did not even concave at all. and that was at 125mph. And those ribs were not any stronger than the Piets. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:05 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets At what point did this go from being a very strong leg-pulling to being taken seriously?? (except my original post where I suggest that there may be a small incentive to using grommets rather than merely punching holes) Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Dever To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets I dought that it could create that much suction. Remember there are many other holes in the wing not creating much suction. Root rib comes to mind. We had them on the Tri-Pacer and the fabric did not even concave at all. and that was at 125mph. And those ribs were not any stronger than the Piets. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:17:57 -0800 From: lnawms@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Just remember that if you use too many seaplane grommets on the Pietenpol airfoil you risk creating so much suction that it could start collapsing ribs. This is especially true if you exceed 70 mph which is why I tend to fly more slowly than most. Larry lectric.com /">www.buildersbooks.com ebuilthelp.com ww.matronics.com/contribution st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:49 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets About the same time the damn milk jugs got brought up again. for God's sake, DO NOT ARCHIVE Kip Gardner BTW, Happy Thanksgiving Gene. On Nov 26, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > At what point did this go from being a very strong leg-pulling to > being taken seriously?? > > (except my original post where I suggest that there may be a small > incentive to using grommets rather than merely punching holes) > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Dever > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets > > I dought that it could create that much suction. Remember there are > many other holes in the wing not creating much suction. Root rib > comes to mind. We had them on the Tri-Pacer and the fabric did not > even concave at all. and that was at 125mph. And those ribs were > not any stronger than the Piets. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:17:57 -0800 > From: lnawms@yahoo.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Just remember that if you use too many seaplane grommets on the > Pietenpol airfoil you risk creating so much suction that it could > start collapsing ribs. This is especially true if you exceed 70 mph > which is why I tend to fly more slowly than most. > > Larry > > > lectric.com > /">www.buildersbooks.com > ebuilthelp.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ronics.com > > > Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ href="http:// > www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/ctitle=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? > Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol- > List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:28 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets All right, I am properly chastened. I will not bring up the milk jugs again this year. BTW, reverting to form, "grommetites" hang from the wings, whereas "grommetmites" grow up the jury struts, but only in moist climates. In all SERIOUSNESS, I cannot believe that any suction from any grommets or burned drain holes will cause sufficient suction to effect any noticeable collapse of taut fabric or compression of ribs. If anyone knows otherwise, I would like to hear more. Tim in central TX do NOT archive (repeat) NOT -----Original Message----- From: Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Nov 26, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets About the same time the damn milk jugs got brought up again. for God's sake, DO NOT ARCHIVE Kip Gardner BTW, Happy Thanksgiving Gene. On Nov 26, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: At what point did this go from being a very strong leg-pulling to being taken seriously?? (except my original post where I suggest that there may be a small incentive to using grommets rather than merely punching holes) Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Dever Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets I dought that it could create that much suction. Remember there are many other holes in the wing not creating much suction. Root rib comes to mind. We had them on the Tri-Pacer and the fabric did not even concave at all. and that was at 125mph. And those ribs were not any stronger than the Piets. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: lnawms@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering question-drain grommets Just remember that if you use too many seaplane grommets on the Pietenpol airfoil you risk creating so much suction that it could start collapsing ribs. This is especially true if you exceed 70 mph which is why I tend to fly more slowly than most. Larry lectric.com /">www.buildersbooks.com ebuilthelp.com ww.matronics.com/contribution st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ronics.com Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ctitle=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:11 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger Hi Dan, It is the town of Northfield, MN. A slightly higher resolution photo is attached. It is only a few miles from Stanton where NX18235 is based and is a nice 15 - 20 minute ride for first time passengers. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "yocum137" Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger > > Greg > What town is that? I went to high school in Stillwater, MN so I'm sort of > a Mud Duck... > > Dan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274965#274965 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.