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1. 04:14 AM - Greg's C's photo of Northfield, MN now my background (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
2. 05:53 AM - Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger (yocum137)
3. 05:53 AM - Re: Greg's C's photo of Northfield, MN now my background (Jeff Boatright)
4. 06:22 AM - red thing in passenger/ Piet photo (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
5. 07:17 AM - Seaplane grommets (Lawrence Williams)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger (Kip and Beth Gardner)
7. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger (Kip and Beth Gardner)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: Seaplane grommets (Bill Church)
9. 08:14 AM - Re: Seaplane grommets (Ryan Mueller)
10. 08:35 AM - Nose gear (Gary Boothe)
11. 08:48 AM - Re: Nose gear (Ryan Mueller)
12. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger (gcardinal)
13. 09:18 AM - Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger (yocum137)
14. 10:27 AM - windmills and smoke stacks (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 11:27 AM - Re: windmills and smoke stacks (Owen Davies)
16. 12:20 PM - Re: windmills and smoke stacks ()
17. 07:16 PM - Re: built up spars (ivan.todorovic)
18. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: built up spars (Peter W Johnson)
19. 11:35 PM - Re: Seaplane grommets (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Greg's C's photo of Northfield, MN now my background |
Thank you Greg for sharing that great photo of a piece of Americana
in the form of a small town you're likely to see when flying a Pietenpol.
I have your photo as my background on this Black Friday as I opt to work to
day
rather than go anywhere near a shopping mall AND enjoyed a beautiful large-
snowflake
snowfall on the drive into work today thru the parkway.
By mid-January I'll be cursing the beautiful snowfalls but for today, the d
ay after
Thanksgiving-- I'm thankful for you photo that will help me to get thru thi
s long
Ohio winter.
That is what it is all about.
Here's one I've shared before but maybe some have not seen it yet.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger |
Ah that must Carlton's campus - I looked at the google map of St. Olaf and couldn't
see a lake any where around.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275045#275045
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| Subject: | Re: Greg's C's photo of Northfield, MN now my background |
Mike,
Great photo. What's the red thing in front of you? Is that a wool
cockpit cover (a "tonneau" as the Brits would say)?
Jeff
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | red thing in passenger/ Piet photo |
Hi Jeff,
That is simply the red jacket of my passenger kind of puffed up from the propwash/
windshield wash.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Seaplane grommets |
I have also heard that if you turn the seaplane grommets backwards that the
y will inflate the airfoil and give you a close approximation of a 612. I a
m thinking of trying this on my Piet since it will be easier than building
a whole new wing. Of course all that will have to wait until I finish putti
ng the nosewheel on.
-
BTW does anyone know if it's OK to use lower pressure in a Tri-Pacer nose s
trut since my plane weighs significantly less than the donor plane??
-
Thanks-
-
Larry
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ps. The new head netted me a shorter TO roll, better climb and about 4 mph
better cruise speed.....tests are ongoing re fuel consumption, effects of t
emp, different props, etc. Interestingly there is no difference in top RPM?
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| Subject: | Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger |
Not far from where my brother lives in Faribault - nice!
Kip Gardner
On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:10 AM, gcardinal wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> It is the town of Northfield, MN. A slightly higher resolution
> photo is attached. It is only a few miles from Stanton where
> NX18235 is based and is a nice 15 - 20 minute ride for first time
> passengers.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "yocum137" <yocum@fnal.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:51 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger
>
>
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>> Greg
>> What town is that? I went to high school in Stillwater, MN so I'm
>> sort of a Mud Duck...
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>> Dan
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274965#274965
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| Subject: | Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger |
Yes, it is Carlton - the chapel building gives it away. Also, St.
Olaf now has an absolutely humongous wind turbine at the edge of the
campus. I was tin Northfield/Cannon Falls visiting a customer in
late October.
Kip Gardner
On Nov 27, 2009, at 8:52 AM, yocum137 wrote:
>
> Ah that must Carlton's campus - I looked at the google map of St.
> Olaf and couldn't see a lake any where around.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275045#275045
>
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| Subject: | Seaplane grommets |
A couple of notes:
Proper location of the reverse-direction seaplane grommets is critical
for proper 612 approximation.
And, regarding the Tri-Pacer nose strut pressure, it depends whether
your canopy is a bubble style, or a slider (obviously).
By the way, Tri-Champ nose strut can not be used on a Piet.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seaplane grommets
I have also heard that if you turn the seaplane grommets backwards that
they will inflate the airfoil and give you a close approximation of a
612. I am thinking of trying this on my Piet since it will be easier
than building a whole new wing. Of course all that will have to wait
until I finish putting the nosewheel on.
BTW does anyone know if it's OK to use lower pressure in a Tri-Pacer
nose strut since my plane weighs significantly less than the donor
plane??
Thanks-
Larry
ps. The new head netted me a shorter TO roll, better climb and about 4
mph better cruise speed.....tests are ongoing re fuel consumption,
effects of temp, different props, etc. Interestingly there is no
difference in top RPM??
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| Subject: | Re: Seaplane grommets |
Larry,
I think that Tri-Pacer nose gear is kind of overkill for your Piet. Draggy,
bulky, heavy...for what you need.
I would suggest a Sonex nosegear setup. Simple, lighter weight....and it
works great for the Sonex guys!
Ryan
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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have also heard that if you turn the seaplane grommets backwards that
> they will inflate the airfoil and give you a close approximation of a 612. I
> am thinking of trying this on my Piet since it will be easier than building
> a whole new wing. Of course all that will have to wait until I finish
> putting the nosewheel on.
>
> BTW does anyone know if it's OK to use lower pressure in a Tri-Pacer nose
> strut since my plane weighs significantly less than the donor plane??
>
> Thanks-
>
> Larry
>
> ps. The new head netted me a shorter TO roll, better climb and about 4 mph
> better cruise speed.....tests are ongoing re fuel consumption, effects of
> temp, different props, etc. Interestingly there is no difference in top
> RPM??
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Nose gear on a Piet? That's sorta like a lift kit on an MG!
Might as well, move the wing to the back, stabilizer to the front. You'd
have a "Rutanpol."
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seaplane grommets
Larry,
I think that Tri-Pacer nose gear is kind of overkill for your Piet. Draggy,
bulky, heavy...for what you need.
I would suggest a Sonex nosegear setup. Simple, lighter weight....and it
works great for the Sonex guys!
Ryan
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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have also heard that if you turn the seaplane grommets backwards that they
will inflate the airfoil and give you a close approximation of a 612. I am
thinking of trying this on my Piet since it will be easier than building a
whole new wing. Of course all that will have to wait until I finish putting
the nosewheel on.
BTW does anyone know if it's OK to use lower pressure in a Tri-Pacer nose
strut since my plane weighs significantly less than the donor plane??
Thanks-
Larry
ps. The new head netted me a shorter TO roll, better climb and about 4 mph
better cruise speed.....tests are ongoing re fuel consumption, effects of
temp, different props, etc. Interestingly there is no difference in top
RPM??
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Or a Pieten-EZ...a Viggenpol....a Sonexpol Vari Camper....the
possiblities are endless!
Ryan
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On Nov 27, 2009, at 10:34 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
> Nose gear on a Piet? That=99s sorta like a lift kit on an MG!
>
>
> Might as well, move the wing to the back, stabilizer to the front.
> You=99d have a =9CRutanpol.=9D
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (15 ribs down)
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 8:03 AM
> To: pietenpol-list
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seaplane grommets
>
>
> Larry,
>
> I think that Tri-Pacer nose gear is kind of overkill for your Piet.
> Draggy, bulky, heavy...for what you need.
>
> I would suggest a Sonex nosegear setup. Simple, lighter
> weight....and it works great for the Sonex guys!
>
> Ryan
>
> do not archive
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Lawrence Williams
> <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I have also heard that if you turn the seaplane grommets backwards
> that they will inflate the airfoil and give you a close
> approximation of a 612. I am thinking of trying this on my Piet
> since it will be easier than building a whole new wing. Of course
> all that will have to wait until I finish putting the nosewheel on.
>
>
> BTW does anyone know if it's OK to use lower pressure in a Tri-Pacer
> nose strut since my plane weighs significantly less than the donor
> plane??
>
>
> Thanks-
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> ps. The new head netted me a shorter TO roll, better climb and about
> 4 mph better cruise speed.....tests are ongoing re fuel consumption,
> effects of temp, different props, etc. Interestingly there is no
> difference in top RPM??
>
>
> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
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> tp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger |
That wind turbine would be this one.....
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip and Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger
> <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> Yes, it is Carlton - the chapel building gives it away. Also, St. Olaf
> now has an absolutely humongous wind turbine at the edge of the campus.
> I was tin Northfield/Cannon Falls visiting a customer in late October.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Nov 27, 2009, at 8:52 AM, yocum137 wrote:
>
>>
>> Ah that must Carlton's campus - I looked at the google map of St. Olaf
>> and couldn't see a lake any where around.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275045#275045
>>
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| Subject: | Re: How to be a proper Pietenpol passenger |
Uff da!
Speaking of wind turbines, between July and September about 100 turbines went up
just west of Hinckley, IL, my old gliding stomping grounds. I'm not exaggerating.
It's impressive. And kinda scarey for a low flyer like me.
Looks like it's good business going green...
Cheers,
Dan
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| Subject: | windmills and smoke stacks |
Boy Dan, those windmills by Hinckley, IL really caught me by surprise as it
has been 10 years since I flew into/out of Oshkosh and on my way home I went
right over those 100 wind turbines. What a sight !
I noticed that the only time height in an airplane bothers me is when I have
something to reference like a wind turbine, tall smoke stack or tv tower.
I recall flying right over the Joliet smokestack rounding the bend around
O'Hare's airspace years ago and really getting the Willies running up and down
my backbone when looking right down at that monster only about 300 feet below
me. Suddenly I felt very alone like a Pigeon perched on a narrow windowsill
of the Sears Tower. (I know....they changed the name but the heck with that
,it is the Sears tower-- right Ryan ??)
Same up on a roof or cutting a tree down. I'm a bit shaky in the knees in
those situations but flying, not usually an issue.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: windmills and smoke stacks |
Among other comments, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> I noticed that the only time height in an airplane bothers me is when I have
> something to reference like a wind turbine, tall smoke stack or tv tower.
I once read a trip report by someone flying around Mexico in a Piper
Colt. They spent a couple of hours with a cloud layer 500 feet under
them. Then they flew off the edge of the clouds, and the next thing
below was the ocean, 12,000 feet straight down! I would have needed a
towel and some new shorts.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: windmills and smoke stacks |
The first flying date I had with my wife-to-be was lunch at the 1500' msl
airport on Catalina island, 26 miles ssw of Los Angeles. The airport was
built by leveling the top of a hill that drops into the ocean on the east
end...really drops. When we took off, I held the 172 close to the runway
until the end of the pavement slid out from under us. The windows almost
caved in when she sucked in her breath, which didn't help my already
elevated pulse rate.
(She still married me and we had 22 good years together.)
Taking off from Grand Canyon airport to the north provides an even bigger
heart thump...you don't even have to be at low level.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen Davies" <owen5819@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windmills and smoke stacks
>
> Among other comments, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
> Corporation] wrote:
>> I noticed that the only time height in an airplane bothers me is when I
>> have
>> something to reference like a wind turbine, tall smoke stack or tv tower.
> I once read a trip report by someone flying around Mexico in a Piper Colt.
> They spent a couple of hours with a cloud layer 500 feet under them. Then
> they flew off the edge of the clouds, and the next thing below was the
> ocean, 12,000 feet straight down! I would have needed a towel and some new
> shorts.
>
> Owen
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| Subject: | Re: built up spars |
Sorry for the delay, day job stuff turned 1 day I've promised into 1 week.
Peter, please check all the dimensions on the attached drawings for the front spar,
before I draw the rear spar. Only thing that is left unclear to me is the
size of the plywood on the upper side of the center section - does it cover it
completely?
Regards,
Ivan
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/frontspar_155.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: built up spars |
Ivan,
Very good! The only thing I can say is that at the root of the spar, the
front ply is 7 1/2" not 9 1/2", although it would not make a lot of
difference (make sure you varnish the inside before gluing the ply in
place!).
The center section is constructed in exactly the same way as the main spars,
full 1/8" ply one side, partly covered on the other.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ivan.todorovic
Sent: Saturday, 28 November 2009 2:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: built up spars
Sorry for the delay, day job stuff turned 1 day I've promised into 1 week.
Peter, please check all the dimensions on the attached drawings for the
front spar, before I draw the rear spar. Only thing that is left unclear to
me is the size of the plywood on the upper side of the center section - does
it cover it completely?
Regards,
Ivan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275115#275115
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| Subject: | Re: Seaplane grommets |
Never mind them fancy, heavy wheels 'n' stuff.
Just skidding around. :-)
Clif
Larry,
I think that Tri-Pacer nose gear is kind of overkill for your Piet.
Draggy, bulky, heavy...for what you need.
Ryan
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