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1. 03:40 AM - Re: Re: built up spars (Tim Willis)
2. 04:03 AM - Re: OT Spock and his E-6B (H RULE)
3. 04:09 AM - Re: OT Spock and his E-6B (H RULE)
4. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: stick input forces at reat and at full load (gcardinal)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: stick input forces at reat and at full load (vman1922)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: stick input forces at reat and at full load (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 12:04 PM - Re: OT Spock and his E-6B (Rick Holland)
8. 12:47 PM - Re: OT Spock and his E-6B (Bill Church)
9. 07:15 PM - Slow List..... (gcardinal)
10. 08:18 PM - Fuselage bottom gussets (jim)
11. 09:13 PM - Re: stick input forces at reat and at full load (coxwelljon)
12. 09:33 PM - Re: Slow List..... (Gary Boothe)
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| Subject: | Re: built up spars |
Ivan,
That looks like a great piece of work.
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: "ivan.todorovic" <tosha@sezampro.rs>
>Sent: Nov 30, 2009 3:48 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: built up spars
>
>
>Attached are three drawings of the built box-spar for Piet Air Camper. Many Thanks
to Peter W. Johnson for all the info from the original (UK designed) plans.
>
>Grega builders may expect their version in the future, together with adequate
Riblett rib-jig plans (31" GN-1 spar distance, different leading edge construction
etc.). Not to bother Pietenpol builders with things not related to them,
I've formed Grega GN-1 group on Yahoo,
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GregaGN1/
>and all things Grega-specific and non-Pietenpol related I will post there. Feel
free to join.
>
>Regards,
>Ivan Todorovic
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275554#275554
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/boxspar_146.pdf
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/boxspar3_612.jpg
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/boxspar2_127.jpg
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/boxspar1_907.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT Spock and his E-6B |
The lithium crystals are cracketed and hung like a Christmas tree.
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From: Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 10:59:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT Spock and his E-6B
Captain to engine room, Scotty warp speed, AH! CAPTAIN
I can't do that the lithium crystals are melting down!
There's relays SMOKING! Captain to Scotty WARP speed
NOW!
This was so cool, I didn't think you would however find
relays in a Star Ship but who knows.
Russell
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
wrote:
I was watching the old Star Trek with my grandson and noticed Spock look at an
instrument and say how long the lithium crystals would last. I was amazed that
Jeppeson would still be making E-6Bs that far into the future. But of course
you can use them to figure out how long your fuel will last.
>
>Blue Skies,
>Steve "trek" D
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT Spock and his E-6B |
Most use the calculator in their phone these days but then back in the days of
Star Trek ,(the first one)they didn't even have cell phones,at least not like
they are today.They were huge things that could stand up by them selves in the
middle of the table and they certainly didn't have calculators in them.
________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 10:46:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT Spock and his E-6B
I was watching the old Star Trek with my grandson and noticed Spock look at an
instrument and say how long the lithium crystals would last. I was amazed that
Jeppeson would still be making E-6Bs that far into the future. But of course
you can use them to figure out how long your fuel will last.
Blue Skies,
Steve "trek" D
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| Subject: | Re: stick input forces at reat and at full load |
I don't have exact numbers for control forces but I can say that pitch on
NX18235 can be controlled with a light fingertip touch in cruise. Aileron
control requires a bit more effort. Rudder is very light also.
Slowing down for landing lightens the ailerons significantly.
Control cables shouldn't be tightened any more than necessary to remove
slack. Too much tension will cause unwanted friction.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: stick input forces at reat and at full load
> <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
> [quote="zk-owl(at)CLEAR.NET.NZ"]The leverage is determined by the distance
> from the middle of the hand grip to the pivot, divided by the length from
> the control cable connection to the pivot. That should get you a rough
> idea of the loads involved.
> Regards Mike T.
>
>> ---
>
>
> I think what John is asking and the question I would ask is "how much
> stick force does it take to fly a Piet and in my case a GN-1 in the
> various phases of flight? Is it a 2 finger chore or do I need some gym
> work before my first flight?
>
> Another related question - Does anyone know the proper tension for the
> control cables to the elevator and to the ailerons. I have adjusted the
> routing or my elevator cables so they do not rest on the stabilizer with
> the elevator in the full down position and they are more equal in tension
> throughout the travel range but I don't know how much tension to adjust
> into them.
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275590#275590
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: stick input forces at reat and at full load |
One time read an article by a test pilot. He mentioned the term 1,2, and 3 or
was it five. Aileron force being 1, elevator force being two and rudder force
being three (maybe five) times as great. this relationship was considered an
ideal harmonization of controls - somewhat subjective I am sure. He had a device
he put on the stick to measure the force. It was an EAA article. Think
it was flight evaluation on an RV aircraft.
So this probably does not answer the question but might be good for thought/discussion.
John, I am south of Lancaster (Qarryville). May I visit you and your project sometime???
I am new to list and have started working on ribs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275603#275603
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| Subject: | Re: stick input forces at reat and at full load |
Quarryville, Groff & Groff a great place for poplar that's where I got all
of mine, even the 16 foot spar material. That's great to hear someone so
close. I typically work on it Saturday and Sundays but lets set up a time and
date. You and every other piet builder (and sometime RV builder, okay any
airplane builder) is always welcome in my shop.
my cell is 215-208-8309
call me, I get few visitors but enjoy visiting other builders. I am home
today but work in Philadelphia area so I don't usually get home till around
7:00 PM or later but I am certain we can set something up. Just let me know
when.
I got a fuse framed and supported, wings built and tail feathers so I can
and am more than willing to answer any questions you may have along the way,
all you need do is ask. You may want to send your contact info so I can
add it into my address book.
Thanks
John
In a message dated 12/1/2009 10:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kkamp72@comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "vman1922" <kkamp72@comcast.net>
One time read an article by a test pilot. He mentioned the term 1,2, and
3 or was it five. Aileron force being 1, elevator force being two and
rudder force being three (maybe five) times as great. this relationship was
considered an ideal harmonization of controls - somewhat subjective I am
sure. He had a device he put on the stick to measure the force. It was an EAA
article. Think it was flight evaluation on an RV aircraft.
So this probably does not answer the question but might be good for
thought/discussion.
John, I am south of Lancaster (Qarryville). May I visit you and your
project sometime???
I am new to list and have started working on ribs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275603#275603
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| Subject: | Re: OT Spock and his E-6B |
Actually guys those are Dilithium crystals.
rick
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:09 AM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
> Most use the calculator in their phone these days but then back in the days
> of Star Trek ,(the first one)they didn't even have cell phones,at least not
> like they are today.They were huge things that could stand up by them selves
> in the middle of the table and they certainly didn't have calculators in
> them.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Mon, November 30, 2009 10:46:54 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: OT Spock and his E-6B
>
> I was watching the old Star Trek with my grandson and noticed Spock look at
> an instrument and say how long the lithium crystals would last. I was amazed
> that Jeppeson would still be making E-6Bs that far into the future. But of
> course you can use them to figure out how long your fuel will last.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve "trek" D
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | OT Spock and his E-6B |
Wooop-wooop-wooop!
(geek alarm going off)
Just kidding, Rick.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT Spock and his E-6B
Actually guys those are Dilithium crystals.
rick
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:09 AM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
Most use the calculator in their phone these days but then back
in the days of Star Trek ,(the first one)they didn't even have cell
phones,at least not like they are today.They were huge things that could
stand up by them selves in the middle of the table and they certainly
didn't have calculators in them.
________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 10:46:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT Spock and his E-6B
I was watching the old Star Trek with my grandson and noticed
Spock look at an instrument and say how long the lithium crystals would
last. I was amazed that Jeppeson would still be making E-6Bs that far
into the future. But of course you can use them to figure out how long
your fuel will last.
Blue Skies,
Steve "trek" D
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While we are all sitting around thinking of something to post........
Check out http://skybachs.daportfolio.com/ for some amazing aircraft
photos.
Best of all, Rob Bach is one of us. He is a Pietenpol builder and took
part in the Brodhead to Oshkosh flight.
Very nice, Rob!
Greg C.
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| Subject: | Fuselage bottom gussets |
Hi All,
Thanks for the help a couple weeks ago about the fuselage dimensions. I
got several good ideas. My next question: since the floor is 1/4" ply,
are the gussets on the remainder of the bottom of the fuselage also 1/4"
?
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: stick input forces at reat and at full load |
gcardinal(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I don't have exact numbers for control forces but I can say that pitch on
> NX18235 can be controlled with a light fingertip touch in cruise. Aileron
> control requires a bit more effort. Rudder is very light also.
> Slowing down for landing lightens the ailerons significantly.
>
> Control cables shouldn't be tightened any more than necessary to remove
> slack. Too much tension will cause unwanted friction.
>
> Greg C.
>
> ---
Thanks Greg,
That is helpful. I have made some aluminum blocks with 1 1/4" sheaves to replace
the hardwood guide blocks that were installed on my project. The elevator
controls seemed heavy when I rigged the cables. The cable changes direction about
15 deg. now but runs nice and smooth with little friction. I did not want
to put too much stress on the elevator control horns but have enough tension
to avoid flutter. Maybe I am being too concerned.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275682#275682
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Nicely done, Rob!! (Thanks, Greg.) ..seems like there should be a Rob Bach
Calender..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slow List.....
While we are all sitting around thinking of something to post........
Check out http://skybachs.daportfolio.com/ for some amazing aircraft photos.
Best of all, Rob Bach is one of us. He is a Pietenpol builder and took part
in the Brodhead to Oshkosh flight.
Very nice, Rob!
Greg C.
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