---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/03/09: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Multi-Function Power Toolopinions? (Clif Dawson) 2. 03:14 AM - Re: for sale or trade (bryan green) 3. 04:39 AM - Re Tapes over fuse stringers (G & R Hewitt) 4. 04:46 AM - Re: Re Tapes over fuse stringers (Jack Phillips) 5. 05:04 AM - Re: Re Tapes over fuse stringers (Ben Charvet) 6. 05:28 AM - Possible a good economical GPS.... (Jim Markle) 7. 05:46 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Multi-Function Power Tool opinions? (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 8. 06:08 AM - LA next week (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 9. 06:35 AM - built up spars (Oscar Zuniga) 10. 08:10 AM - Re: built up spars (ivan.todorovic) 11. 08:10 AM - Re: Re Tapes over fuse stringers (hvandervoo@aol.com) 12. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: built up spars (Allan Macklem) 13. 09:11 AM - Re: Re Tapes over fuse stringers (helspersew@aol.com) 14. 09:36 AM - Re: Re Tapes over fuse stringers (Dan Yocum) 15. 09:42 AM - Re: built up spars (johnnysdrop@googlemail.com) 16. 10:10 AM - rudder travel stops (airlion) 17. 10:10 AM - Washinton CORVAIR Community College at Magnificent Machine! (Brady) 18. 10:12 AM - Re: LA next week (Jim Markle) 19. 10:48 AM - Re: rudder travel stops (Jeff Boatright) 20. 12:00 PM - Re: rudder travel stops (Lagowski Morrow) 21. 12:04 PM - Re: rudder travel stops (Rick Holland) 22. 12:12 PM - one man's method of rudder stops (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 23. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: for sale or trade (bryan green) 24. 02:11 PM - one man's method of rudder stops (Oscar Zuniga) 25. 02:22 PM - Field & Stream Magazines (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 26. 02:39 PM - Re: Field & Stream Magazines (Jeff Boatright) 27. 03:34 PM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops (Wayne Bressler) 28. 04:03 PM - Re: Re: for sale or trade (Rob Stapleton) 29. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: for sale or trade (Gary Boothe) 30. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: for sale or trade (Ryan Mueller) 31. 04:49 PM - Re: Re Tapes over fuse stringers (Jim Malley) 32. 05:24 PM - A-65 engine build (skellytown flyer) 33. 05:52 PM - firewall question (Larry Vetter) 34. 06:02 PM - Re: firewall question (Gary Boothe) 35. 06:55 PM - Re: LA next week (K5YAC) 36. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: LA next week (Jim Markle) 37. 07:29 PM - Re: LA next week (K5YAC) 38. 09:37 PM - Winter Nap (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:24 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harbor Freight Multi-Function Power Toolopinions? My ex's significant other is high end renovator. He has a couple of these things, although the professional sized ones. His issue is the cost of the blades vrs short life. The cost of blades for his are $30 plus and if he lets his boys loose with the thing they can ruin enough blades in a day to eat up far more his share of the income. But for us I can see more use than just the cutting. The sanding function should be very usefull as well. Clif, waiting for another order of stuff. :-) I have one and works fine. I have been using it in a kitchen remodel.The blades seem to be of a cheap quality and wear easily. Ken ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:36 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: for sale or trade MessageLgreen1@sc.rr.com and send your phone number. Bryan Green Elgin SC Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Stapleton To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: for sale or trade How can I contact you to discuss these Corvair items? Rob Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist Anchorage, AK (907) 230-9425 KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan green Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:38 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: for sale or trade I have the following items for sale or trade. Federal Mogul main bearings for corvair .010 Seal Power rod bearings for corvair .010 GN-1 engine mount for a C85 Bryan Green Elgin SC GN-1 Aircamper N1736 rebuilding href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:36 AM PST US From: "G & R Hewitt" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers Hi all Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the top stringers? Tapes on stringers before covering Tapes over stringers after covering or No tapes at all Thanks Graham in West Oz ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers I put tapes over the stringers after covering. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G & R Hewitt Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers Hi all Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the top stringers? Tapes on stringers before covering Tapes over stringers after covering or No tapes at all Thanks Graham in West Oz ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:40 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers I put anti-chafe tape over the stringers before covering, then 1 inch reinforcing tapes on top of the covering. I used 1.7 oz dacron though. Ben G & R Hewitt wrote: > > Hi all > > Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over > the top stringers? > > Tapes on stringers before covering > > > > Tapes over stringers after covering or > > > > No tapes at all > > > > Thanks Graham in West Oz > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:19 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possible a good economical GPS.... http://www.woot.com/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:38 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harbor Freight Multi-Function Power Tool opinions? I bought mine some time ago and aside from the noise and heat it generates the thing works really well. Overall I have used it for cutting and sanding and pleased with the results. The dremmel self adhesive sanding pads it, it may accept other dremmel attachments and cutters. Sooner or later youll have to make an after the fact cut or trim, this is the tool for that job. John In a message dated 12/2/2009 11:31:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kanderson051@gmail.com writes: I have one and works fine. I have been using it in a kitchen remodel.The blades seem to be of a cheap quality and wear easily. Dremel brand blades look like they might work but havn't tried yet. Look in some hot rod magazines Harbor Freight always has adds with this tool as low as 2999 and there is always a 20% off coupon. Ken On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Billy McCaskill <_billmz@cox.net_ (mailto:billmz@cox.net) > wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Billy McCaskill" <_billmz@cox.net_ (mailto:billmz@cox.net) > I know some of you Piet builders out there have purchased the Harbor Freight MultiFunction Power Tool (currently on sale for $34.99), in your opinion is this a tool of sufficient quality that you would recommend buying one? I have purchased other hand-held electric power tools from Harbor Freight in the past, and have invariably been disappointed in them as they did not last very long even though they were used EXACTLY as intended and not abused in any way. I would like to have a multifunction tool like this, but if the quality is equal to those HF tools I have purchased before then I will pass on buying this. Thanks for your opinions. Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL/Baker, LA tail feathers almost done Read this topic online here: _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275853#275853_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275853#275853) ========== ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== (http://www.aeroelectric.com/) (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:23 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: LA next week I will be in Los Angeles area next week and looking for some Piets to visit, anyone? Long Beach, City of Industry, Fontana area, anyone, anyone? John ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:39 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: built up spars Has anyone done any structural analysis of any of the Piet spars... either the stock solid spruce, or the routed, or the built-up in any configuration? I'd like to compare notes on some calculations that I've done. thanks. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: built up spars From: "ivan.todorovic" I've done a thorough search on this list's archive, and I'm pretty sure that even if it is done, it is not posted on this list. Only thing we can be sure is that all four configurations (3/4" full, 1" routed, 1" I-beam, 1 1/4" box spar) have been built in numbers and flying safely. It is not quite clear to me if box spar is mandatory modification in UK to get a licence, or just preferred way of building it. I would love to see a table with columns with weight figures and relative strength compared to, for instance, 3/4" solid spruce spar, price figure and time needed to build it. That way we would know which spar is most reasonable to build. Anyway, maybe it is not a bad thing for everyone to build by his intuition and preferences. Regards, Ivan taildrags(at)hotmail.com wrote: > Has anyone done any structural analysis of any of > the Piet spars... either the stock solid spruce, or > the routed, or the built-up in any configuration? > I'd like to compare notes on some calculations that > I've done. > > thanks. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275964#275964 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers From: hvandervoo@aol.com Reinforcing tapes on fuse side stringers, none on turrtle deck. BR Hans -----Original Message----- From: G & R Hewitt Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers Hi all Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the top stringers? Tapes on stringers before covering Tapes over stringers after covering or No tapes at all Thanks Graham in West Oz ======================== =========== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: G & R Hewitt Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers Hi all Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the top stringers? Tapes on stringers before covering Tapes over stringers after covering or No tapes at all Thanks Graham in West Oz ======================== =========== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Of course, the covering is 30 years old (Stits Poly-fiber)... If you're willing to expend the time and effort I think it would be a good thing to round the tops of your stringers like Michael Perez did... there are pictures of his work in the archives. He posted them sometime in the past couple of months. Cheers, Dan G & R Hewitt wrote: > Hi all > > Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over > the top stringers? > > Tapes on stringers before covering > > > > Tapes over stringers after covering or > > > > No tapes at all > > > > Thanks Graham in West Oz > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:29 AM PST US From: "johnnysdrop@googlemail.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: built up spars The box spar IS mandatory here in the UK & have been thoroughly stressed analised as a result. Regards john -----Original Message----- From: ivan.todorovic Sent: 03/12/2009, 16:10 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: built up spars I've done a thorough search on this list's archive, and I'm pretty sure that even if it is done, it is not posted on this list. Only thing we can be sure is that all four configurations (3/4" full, 1" routed, 1" I-beam, 1 1/4" box spar) have been built in numbers and flying safely. It is not quite clear to me if box spar is mandatory modification in UK to get a licence, or just preferred way of building it. I would love to see a table with columns with weight figures and relative strength compared to, for instance, 3/4" solid spruce spar, price figure and time needed to build it. That way we would know which spar is most reasonable to build. Anyway, maybe it is not a bad thing for everyone to build by his intuition and preferences. Regards, Ivan taildrags(at)hotmail.com wrote: > Has anyone done any structural analysis of any of > the Piet spars... either the stock solid spruce, or > the routed, or the built-up in any configuration? > I'd like to compare notes on some calculations that > I've done. > > thanks. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275964#275964 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:58 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder travel stops how many degrees left or right should I put the rudder stops? cheers , Gardiner Mason ________________________________ From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 12:10:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers I put mine on after. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: G & R Hewitt Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers Hi all Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the top stringers? Tapes on stringers before covering Tapes over stringers after covering or No tapes at all Thanks Graham in West Oz =================================== =_blank>www.aeroelectric.com m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Washinton CORVAIR Community College at Magnificent Machine! From: "Brady" For all those who might be interested: William Wynne is coming to the Great North West! Magnificent Machine will be hosting a Ccrvair "Community College" The Dates will be Dec. 26th & 27th. If you are interested in attending please contact Magnificent Machine: By email= info@magnificentmachine.com By phone= 360-635-6042 toll free for those of you out of state= 1-866-606-4152 Things you will see at the event are: A running CH-750 WW Corvair installation! A MagVair with a Dan Weseman 5th bearing! Several other Corvair engine conversions in various stages including running! CH-601's & CH-701's in various stages. Magnificent Machine's New Facility! Corvair Cars! The adjacent space that maybe used for our builder assist program! And most importantly other aviation & Corvair nuts that you have more in common with than you realize. DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY! The Coffee is always on and is always free so if you can't make these dates please feel free to stop by at your leisure. Thank you, Brady McCormick CH-701/Corvair, CH-601/Corvair 5686 Minder RD NE Suite #101 Poulsbo, WA 98370 1-866-606-4152 toll free! info@magnificentmachine.com www.magnificentmachine.com -------- Brady McCormick Poulsbo, WA www.magnificentmachine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275993#275993 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:46 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LA next week Looks like I'll just miss you! I'm in Bothell WA next week, Los Angeles the following week.... Seems like I'm following you around a LOT! :-) I will be in Los Angeles area next week and looking for some Piets to visit, anyone? Long Beach, City of Industry, Fontana area, anyone, anyone? John ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:18 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder travel stops Hm. Our Piet doesn't have rudder stops, afaik. Jeff At 10:10 AM -0800 12/3/09, airlion wrote: >how many degrees left or right should I put the rudder stops? >cheers , Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:04 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder travel stops I set the stops so that the rudder would not hit the elevators. As I remember the rudder and the inner edge of the elevators were about parallel--Jim Lagowski From: airlion To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder travel stops how many degrees left or right should I put the rudder stops? cheers , Gardiner Mason ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "helspersew@aol.com" To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 12:10:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers I put mine on after. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: G & R Hewitt To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers Hi all Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the top stringers? Tapes on stringers before covering Tapes over stringers after covering or No tapes at all Thanks Graham in West Oz =_blank>www.aeroelectric.com m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=== ======= tp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder travel stops From: Rick Holland Thats what I did also. Rick On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Lagowski Morrow wrote: > I set the stops so that the rudder would not hit the elevators. As I > remember the rudder and the inner edge of the elevators were about > parallel--Jim Lagowski > > *From:* airlion > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:10 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: rudder travel stops > > how many degrees left or right should I put the rudder stops? cheers , > Gardiner Mason > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "helspersew@aol.com" > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thu, December 3, 2009 12:10:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers > > I put mine on after. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: G & R Hewitt > To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server > Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:38 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers > > Hi all > Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the > top stringers? > Tapes on stringers before covering > > Tapes over stringers after covering or > > No tapes at all > > Thanks Graham in West Oz > > * > > > =_blank>www.aeroelectric.com > m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=================================== > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=================================== > tp://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > * > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:10 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops Two blocks of poplar with T-88 glued as shown in front of the rudder bar to prevent the rudder from hitting either elevator. My FAA inspector wanted to see control stops (Bingelis warns of this in his books plus it just makes good sense) on all of my controls. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:57 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade Not sure if any my friend. The mount is 11 3/4" long and I can send you other measurments if you want. Bryan Green Elgin SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "hwaller" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade > > Hi, > Could you explain if/how the GN-1 engine mount > differs from the air camper mount. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275896#275896 > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:44 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops Mikee wrote- >Bingelis warns of this in his books plus >it just makes good sense) Well, now I'm 100% certain. I now know for a fact what type of reading material Mike Cuy keeps on the tank of the toilet in his "library". Bingelis books. He has probably read all of them through, cover to cover, multiple times as well as reading himself to sleep on cold nights. Not at all a bad thing though... do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:39 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Field & Stream Magazines Well Oscar I haven't read the Bingelis books cover to cover (well maybe I have, all told:) nor do they sit nearby the household throne however I was so impressed by Tony's books that I took the time to mail him a photo of my fuselage and tailfeathers on the gear in my driveway and told him how valuable his books were to me in time-savings, confidence-building, and educationally that I requested he autograph the photo and send it back in the SASE I provided. Not only did Tony do that but he jotted me a quick note and somewhere in my files I have both that photo and note. Sadly Tony passed away in the early 2000's as I recall but his legacy thru books and many flying airplanes still in service are a tribute to an amazing guy who had the gift of sharing his knowledge in an extremely readable way ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:58 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Field & Stream Magazines Mike, Your last sentence rings so true with me. Tony Bingelis really had a gift for clear communication. Jeff >(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" > >Well Oscar I haven't read the Bingelis books cover to cover (well >maybe I have, all told:) >nor do they sit nearby the household throne however I was so >impressed by Tony's books that >I took the time to mail him a photo of my fuselage and tailfeathers >on the gear >in my driveway and told him how valuable his books were to me in >time-savings, confidence-building, >and educationally that I requested he autograph the photo and send >it back in the >SASE I provided. Not only did Tony do that but he jotted me a >quick note and somewhere in >my files I have both that photo and note. Sadly Tony passed away >in the early 2000's as I recall >but his legacy thru books and many flying airplanes still in service >are a tribute to an amazing >guy who had the gift of sharing his knowledge in an extremely readable way ! > >Mike C. > >do not archive > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:38 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops If that's true, I'm in good company! Do not archive Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete. On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > > Mikee wrote- > >> Bingelis warns of this in his books plus >> it just makes good sense) > > Well, now I'm 100% certain. I now know for a fact > what type of reading material Mike Cuy keeps on the > tank of the toilet in his "library". Bingelis books. > He has probably read all of them through, cover to > cover, multiple times as well as reading himself to > sleep on cold nights. > > Not at all a bad thing though... > > do not archive > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:31 PM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade Is this the mount for the Corvair engine and the long version fuselage? This engine mount looks different than the plans? But let me review them.... Rob Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist Anchorage, AK (907) 230-9425 KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan green Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade Not sure if any my friend. The mount is 11 3/4" long and I can send you other measurments if you want. Bryan Green Elgin SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "hwaller" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade > > Hi, > Could you explain if/how the GN-1 engine mount > differs from the air camper mount. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275896#275896 > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:37 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade Looks like a conical mount for Continental engine, and certainly not typical fuselage mounts for a Piet. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Stapleton Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade Is this the mount for the Corvair engine and the long version fuselage? This engine mount looks different than the plans? But let me review them.... Rob Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist Anchorage, AK (907) 230-9425 KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan green Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade Not sure if any my friend. The mount is 11 3/4" long and I can send you other measurments if you want. Bryan Green Elgin SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "hwaller" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade > > Hi, > Could you explain if/how the GN-1 engine mount > differs from the air camper mount. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275896#275896 > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade From: Ryan Mueller Just a heads up: he mentions at the beginning of this thread that it is a mount from a GN-1 for a C-85. Not for a Corvair, nor for a Pietenpol, be it long, short, or really short.... Ryan On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Rob Stapleton wrote: > > Is this the mount for the Corvair engine and the long version fuselage? > This engine mount looks different than the plans? But let me review > them.... > > Rob > > > Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist > Anchorage, AK > (907) 230-9425 > KL2AN > Skype:rob.stapleton.jr > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:59 PM PST US From: "Jim Malley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers I put on a second layer of fabric in lieu of the tapes, makes for a super smooth finish. Jim Malley ----- Original Message ----- From: G & R Hewitt To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers Hi all Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the top stringers? Tapes on stringers before covering Tapes over stringers after covering or No tapes at all Thanks Graham in West Oz ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 engine build From: "skellytown flyer" For what it's worth this is a little info from a source on another list that just might help someone salvage an old Continental.this is not my story and hopefully the writer will not mind me posting his experiences as he sent it to another list I belong to. Raymond The A65 is easily overhauled. I get my engine work done by any reputable automotive machine shop with a friendly foreman or machinist. I have used automotive rings with success although Continental rings are still available at a decent price. Let me take you through the first A65 I overhauled about 30 years ago for a Corbin Baby Ace I was building. I obtained it in a basket. It had been removed from a flying aircraft that was being up-engined to an 85. The log books indicated under 400 hours since overhaul but was obviously incorrect. Although it had standard inserts the connecting rod journals on the crank were worn past the .010 grind for which Continental supplied inserts at that time. The mains cleaned up at .010 under size.I went through the Federal Mogul insert catalog and found a rod insert identical in every way but width. It was a simple jobs to make a fixture from an old rod and turn them in the lathe to the correct dimensions. The jugs were hopeless but I found a set that would clean up within service limits. I needed 4 exhaust guides as they were worn. Also the valves had previously been ground paper thin on the edges. In the automotive field valves are available with oversize stems. A little research showed that a 230 Chev exhaust valve would do the job if the stems were shortened. This only took a few minutes in the lathe. The guides had been reamed at the machine shop to fit the oversize stems, thus the guides did not have to be replaced. I did nothing to the mags or carb. I flew it for around a 100 hours and pulled it for an 0200 Continental that came available. I flew the aircraft for a few years with this engine and then had a wreck. Damage was extensive and I had another airplane flying so I pulled the 100 hp engine and piled the remains in the shed. 3 or 4 years passed and I was at loose ends for a project so I pulled the pile into the shop and rebuilt it. As I recall the only part not damaged was the tail wheel and spring. Anyhow it went back into the air with the old A65 and I flew it for several years, sold it. Took it back on a trade and then flew it until I hung up my helmet at age 73. It was quickly sold again and the fellow now owning it is still flying with the old engine and it still requires no repairs. Although the A65 is not a high time between overhauls it is very reliable and easily fixed. Not many fellows installing one in a homebuilt will fly it to overhaul because at the average of 50-60 hours a year that is quite some time... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276083#276083 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:30 PM PST US From: "Larry Vetter" Subject: Pietenpol-List: firewall question I'm sort of new here, and just acquired a Piet. project. It had a corvair mounted but the entire plane had been diassembled for a rebuild before I bought it. The firwall was removed and I was wondering what you guys that are using the Corvair have for firewalls? Thanks. Larry ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:27 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: firewall question Larry, I am using 14 ga galvanized. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Vetter Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: firewall question I'm sort of new here, and just acquired a Piet. project. It had a corvair mounted but the entire plane had been diassembled for a rebuild before I bought it. The firwall was removed and I was wondering what you guys that are using the Corvair have for firewalls? Thanks. Larry ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: LA next week From: "K5YAC" Clark Griswold just called his boss a "four flusher" in Christmas Vacation... naturally I though of you guys. LOL! I know, nothing to do with your LA visit, but I had to laugh when I heard him say that. I mean... just look at the guys and tell me they aren't a couple of savvy four flushers. I know, I've used this one before, but it is already a classic. Two major bloviators... Ha Ha! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276102#276102 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pa270235r_145.jpg ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:55 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: LA next week I'll kick off my white patent leather shoes and go swimming with Christie Brinkley ANY day! Just call me Clark Griswold.....this is crazy...this is crazy.... -----Original Message----- >From: K5YAC >Sent: Dec 3, 2009 8:54 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: LA next week > > >Clark Griswold just called his boss a "four flusher" in Christmas Vacation... naturally I though of you guys. LOL! > >I know, nothing to do with your LA visit, but I had to laugh when I heard him say that. I mean... just look at the guys and tell me they aren't a couple of savvy four flushers. > >I know, I've used this one before, but it is already a classic. Two major bloviators... Ha Ha! > >-------- >Mark - working on wings > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276102#276102 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/pa270235r_145.jpg > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: LA next week From: "K5YAC" Haaaa ha ha! No kidding! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276110#276110 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:47 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter Nap Group, Well today was the bitter sweet day of puting the Pietenpol down for the long winter nap. I re-arranged the hanger for the winter storage of th e piet, so I can get my tractors out for snow plowing, and pulling dumb-dum bs out of the ditch if I happen to be around.- As I put the piet in the c orner of the hanger I thought about all the joy it gave me the past 12 mont hs.- Early this year I spent several hrs removing the heads for a cracked exaust pipe, and the other for spark plug threaded inserts.- I spent a f ew hrs changing the fly wheel and fabricating spacers for a new ring gear i nstalation, just a couple weeks before Brodhead.- I thought about all the knowlage I have gained working and flying this home-built flying machine. - All of the scarry, interesting, and rewarding moments of this airplane' s history were revisited in my mind.--From the -1st failed attempt to brodhead to-my 1st OSH arrival.- I have learned persivierance and disipline from learning how to keep a experimental, auto engine flying, an d staying safe, and enjoying the experiance it provides.- I have learned much about working with my father, and gained knowlage from listening to wh at he tells me, and not comprimising on anything questionable.- The most memerable experiance this year of 2009 was the flight from Brodhead to Waup un WI.- I was living a boyhood fantasy of a real Dawn Patrol from an open cockpit, with 7 other pilots, probably living the same fantasy in there ow n minds.-- Now done flying the Piet for the winter, I stand at my shop door in my hanger, looking out from the warm shop, and I am still amazed th at my father built damn near every piece on that airplane.- Then I look u p at all the pieces I have made on my little biplane, and hope that some da y they all come togeather and carry me from the surrly bonds of earth, just as the Pietenpol my Father built just a few years ago. - Happy Building, (and flying to those of you down south, or with pavement or skis) Shad=0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.