Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 12/04/09


Total Messages Posted: 44



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     1. 03:44 AM - Re: Winter Nap (Jack Phillips)
     2. 04:42 AM - Shad Bell's Winter Nap story (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
     3. 04:58 AM - Re: Winter Nap (Kip and Beth Gardner)
     4. 06:26 AM - Field & Stream Magazines (Oscar Zuniga)
     5. 06:32 AM - Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
     6. 06:33 AM - Re: Winter Nap (K5YAC)
     7. 06:57 AM - Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 (TOM STINEMETZE)
     8. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Winter Nap (Ryan Mueller)
     9. 07:26 AM - Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    10. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: Winter Nap (Bill Church)
    11. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Winter Nap (Scott Knowlton)
    12. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: Winter Nap (Jim Markle)
    13. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Winter Nap (Bill Church)
    14. 08:13 AM - Re: firewall question (Larry Vetter)
    15. 08:20 AM - Re: Winter Nap (K5YAC)
    16. 08:21 AM - Re: Winter Nap (Tim Willis)
    17. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: firewall question (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    18. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Winter Nap (Ryan Mueller)
    19. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Winter Nap (Dick N.)
    20. 08:53 AM - Re: rudder travel stops (airlion)
    21. 09:00 AM - Re: rudder travel stops (airlion)
    22. 09:04 AM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops (airlion)
    23. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: firewall question (Rick Holland)
    24. 09:14 AM - Re: Re Tapes over fuse stringers (Rick Holland)
    25. 10:41 AM - Air Camper plans question (Joe Kidd)
    26. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 (Jim)
    27. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Re: firewall question (Jim)
    28. 10:47 AM - Re: firewall question (Rick Holland)
    29. 10:58 AM - Any instruments for sale? (chase143)
    30. 11:07 AM - Re: Any instruments for sale? (Jack Phillips)
    31. 11:21 AM - Re: Air Camper plans question (Ryan Mueller)
    32. 11:26 AM - Re: Any instruments for sale? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    33. 11:58 AM - Re: Any instruments for sale? (chase143)
    34. 12:00 PM - Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 (John Recine)
    35. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: for sale or trade (Dan Yocum)
    36. 02:25 PM - HINT video #3 and website! (Michael Perez)
    37. 02:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 12/03/09 (tbyh@aol.com)
    38. 03:15 PM - Re: Winter Nap (Pieti Lowell)
    39. 04:26 PM - Re: Air Camper plans question (Joe Kidd)
    40. 04:39 PM - Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 (helspersew@aol.com)
    41. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 (Gary Boothe)
    42. 06:27 PM - Karetaker aero website link bad (Michael Perez)
    43. 07:26 PM - Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (Ryan Mueller)
    44. 09:53 PM - Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (flea)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:44:33 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Winter Nap
    Why would you live in such a place? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC Where it was 61 degrees yesterday, and is expected to snow tonight, but will be in the 60's again next week _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter Nap Group, Well today was the bitter sweet day of puting the Pietenpol down for the long winter nap. I re-arranged the hanger for the winter storage of the piet, so I can get my tractors out for snow plowing, and pulling dumb-dumbs out of the ditch if I happen to be around. As I put the piet in the corner of the hanger I thought about all the joy it gave me the past 12 months. Early this year I spent several hrs removing the heads for a cracked exaust pipe, and the other for spark plug threaded inserts. I spent a few hrs changing the fly wheel and fabricating spacers for a new ring gear instalation, just a couple weeks before Brodhead. I thought about all the knowlage I have gained working and flying this home-built flying machine. All of the scarry, interesting, and rewarding moments of this airplane's history were revisited in my mind. From the 1st failed attempt to brodhead to my 1st OSH arrival. I have learned persivierance and disipline from learning how to keep a experimental, auto engine flying, and staying safe, and enjoying the experiance it provides. I have learned much about working with my father, and gained knowlage from listening to what he tells me, and not comprimising on anything questionable. The most memerable experiance this year of 2009 was the flight from Brodhead to Waupun WI. I was living a boyhood fantasy of a real Dawn Patrol from an open cockpit, with 7 other pilots, probably living the same fantasy in there own minds. Now done flying the Piet for the winter, I stand at my shop door in my hanger, looking out from the warm shop, and I am still amazed that my father built damn near every piece on that airplane. Then I look up at all the pieces I have made on my little biplane, and hope that some day they all come togeather and carry me from the surrly bonds of earth, just as the Pietenpol my Father built just a few years ago. Happy Building, (and flying to those of you down south, or with pavement or skis) Shad


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    Time: 04:42:53 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Shad Bell's Winter Nap story
    Really well-written Shad and not only did you hit upon the romanticism of o ur kind of open cockpit barnstorming type flying but you shared how significantly building, flying, and maintain ing your Pietenpol and engine have given you a motherload of outstanding educational experiences and knowledge that you can pass along to others who follow your footsteps. Sharing the project and flying with your Dad and the connection it forged between you two is something that cannot be compared to even the price of a pound of pl atinum. Very few have experienced the journey that you and your Dad have. Don Emch and his father come to m ind and I know they share the same appreciations for what you've gone thru. It isn't just about building and flying your own airplane---it takes on an entire life of it's own and provides an education degree that no college or university course listing can ever offer. Mike C.


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    Time: 04:58:01 AM PST US
    From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    Some have the misfortune of being born here (like my wife). I made the choice to marry a Yankee, so I wound up here by default - our daughter is the only child of an only child - it was either move close to the grandparents or have my mother in law camped at our house six months a year - what would you do in that circumstances? :). Earlier this week I was in Raleigh for a few days consulting with a customer - nice & warm, sunny, and real barbeque - there definitely some things I sure miss about the South (not the hurricanes though). For God's sake, DO NOT ARCHIVE On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > Why would you live in such a place? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > Where it was 61 degrees yesterday, and is expected to snow tonight, > but will be in the 60=92s again next week > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:37 AM > To: Pietenpol Discussion > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter Nap > > Group, Well today was the bitter sweet day of puting the Pietenpol > down for the long winter nap. I re-arranged the hanger for the > winter storage of the piet, so I can get my tractors out for snow > plowing, and pulling dumb-dumbs out of the ditch if I happen to be > around. As I put the piet in the corner of the hanger I thought > about all the joy it gave me the past 12 months. Early this year I > spent several hrs removing the heads for a cracked exaust pipe, and > the other for spark plug threaded inserts. I spent a few hrs > changing the fly wheel and fabricating spacers for a new ring gear > instalation, just a couple weeks before Brodhead. I thought about > all the knowlage I have gained working and flying this home-built > flying machine. All of the scarry, interesting, and rewarding > moments of this airplane's history were revisited in my mind. =46rom > the 1st failed attempt to brodhead to my 1st OSH arrival. I have > learned persivierance and disipline from learning how to keep a > experimental, auto engine flying, and staying safe, and enjoying > the experiance it provides. I have learned much about working with > my father, and gained knowlage from listening to what he tells me, > and not comprimising on anything questionable. The most memerable > experiance this year of 2009 was the flight from Brodhead to Waupun > WI. I was living a boyhood fantasy of a real Dawn Patrol from an > open cockpit, with 7 other pilots, probably living the same fantasy > in there own minds. Now done flying the Piet for the winter, I > stand at my shop door in my hanger, looking out from the warm shop, > and I am still amazed that my father built damn near every piece on > that airplane. Then I look up at all the pieces I have made on my > little biplane, and hope that some day they all come togeather and > carry me from the surrly bonds of earth, just as the Pietenpol my > Father built just a few years ago. > > Happy Building, (and flying to those of you down south, or with > pavement or skis) > Shad > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >


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    Time: 06:26:30 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Field & Stream Magazines
    Mikee- I, too, have saved some personal correspondence from Tony Bingelis. His handwriting, unlike his drawings, was not the best ;o) I have two copies of "Sportplane Builder"- one of which is autographed. As you may know, Tony lived right here in central Texas and was one of the motivating factors behind what used to be called SWRFI... the Southwest Regional [EAA] Fly-In. Our own EAA chapter's number, 35, indicates how far back we go in this area... and much of it due to people like Tony. do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 06:32:47 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10
    All a matter of perspective, anyone that has a yard in the north knows the warm months are filled with work, hot sweaty long and arduous endless hour s and days yard work and more yard work. As a Piet builder I can't wait for winter and the colder months marking the end of another yard year. As disappointing as it may sound, no work can be done outside. Leaving only one option and It begins on Black Friday. While others are out spending hard earned credit balances on stuff no one really needs or wants under sky's of florescent malls and ceilings adorned in artificial ornamentations pushing and shoving their way through, the magic time begins. Black Friday marks the opening and ramp up to the ultimate time of the year. Here is where the planning and ordering of parts, bits and pieces of hardware, shackles, clips and turnbuckles all come together is a synergist ic orchestra of BUILDAPALOOZA 09 &10. That's right fans. I get a chance to build my airplane with little of no intervention from the yard work and honey doo list. Mine all mine build time from morning to night every weekend its me in the shop building my dream ship. Its me John Recine AKA Mr. Peabody an d I am building my "Waybak Machine" that will transport me and my guest (grandson Luca) AKA Sherman in the forward pit back to the Golden Age of Aviation, the date is 1930 and we are cruising across the farm fields and lush pastures of the countryside of Lancaster Pennsylvania headed towards the Midwestern heartland in the "Waybak Machine" just as the barnstormed did in the Golden Age. Who can complain about that? From winter to spring when the yard awakens again and buildapalooza dwindles down to a whimper making way once again for the yard. And until the yard is in full swing and the shop goes dark once again for these rotten months of summer and only Brodhead to look forward to. How can any builder complain about winter. That's like a farmer who complains about making hay while the sun shines that's just not part of the vocabulary. Building the Piet and hopefully flying the Waybak Machine is the most fun and joy anyone can ever have with their cloths on, (except for that day at Markle's, another story). Nope, not me I not trading the snow, ice and cold for a 95 degree day with 99% humidity and hoping the lawn mower will blow up or run out of gas as the endless chore of fighting the yard continues, that you can have. I wo uld much rather build my Piet in the solitude of winters short days, long nights and quieted complaints of the yard, grass and extraneous activitie s, dogs and distractions. I am builder hear me saw and sniff my dust I am happy to see the beginning of BUILDAPALOOZA and don't forget to Smile son! John In a message dated 12/4/2009 7:58:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kipandbeth@earthlink.net writes: Some have the misfortune of being born here (like my wife). I made the choice to marry a Yankee, so I wound up here by default - our daughter is the only child of an only child - it was either move close to the grandparent s or have my mother in law camped at our house six months a year - what would you do in that circumstances? :). Earlier this week I was in Rale igh for a few days consulting with a customer - nice & warm, sunny, and real barbeque - there definitely some things I sure miss about the South (not the hurricanes though). For God's sake, DO NOT ARCHIVE On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: Why would you live in such a place? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC Where it was 61 degrees yesterday, and is expected to snow tonight, but will be in the 60=99s again next week ____________________________________ From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:_owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpo l-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter Nap Group, Well today was the bitter sweet day of puting the Pietenpol down for the long winter nap. I re-arranged the hanger for the winter storage of the piet, so I can get my tractors out for snow plowing, and pulling dumb-dumbs out of the ditch if I happen to be around. As I put the piet in the corner of the hanger I thought about all the joy it gave me the past 12 months. Early this year I spent several hrs removing the heads for a cra cked exaust pipe, and the other for spark plug threaded inserts. I spent a fe w hrs changing the fly wheel and fabricating spacers for a new ring gear instalation, just a couple weeks before Brodhead. I thought about all th e knowlage I have gained working and flying this home-built flying machine. All of the scarry, interesting, and rewarding moments of this airplane's history were revisited in my mind. From the 1st failed attempt to brodh ead to my 1st OSH arrival. I have learned persivierance and disipline from learning how to keep a experimental, auto engine flying, and staying safe , and enjoying the experiance it provides. I have learned much about working with my father, and gained knowlage from listening to what he tells me, and no t comprimising on anything questionable. The most memerable experiance thi s year of 2009 was the flight from Brodhead to Waupun WI. I was living a boyhood fantasy of a real Dawn Patrol from an open cockpit, with 7 other pilots, probably living the same fantasy in there own minds. Now done flying the Piet for the winter, I stand at my shop door in my hanger, looking ou t from the warm shop, and I am still amazed that my father built damn near every piece on that airplane. Then I look up at all the pieces I have ma de on my little biplane, and hope that some day they all come togeather and carry me from the surrly bonds of earth, just as the Pietenpol my Father built just a few years ago. Happy Building, (and flying to those of you down south, or with pavement or skis) Shad www.aeroelectric.com www.homebuilthelp.com _http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lis t href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ======================== ============ (http://www.aeroelectric.com/) (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============


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    Time: 06:33:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Neat story Shad... especially about the dawn patrol. That must have been something. I don't have a flying machine yet, but I hear ya on the cold part. It was 20* here last night, and expected to be around the same tonight. I've been eating kerosene fumes all week in order to keep working on my wings. Tomorrow morning ought to be memorable (I'm sure I'll look back on these days of BUILDING even after I'm flying)... turn the key on a frost covered lock to open the doors, carry in my thermos of coffee, fire up the heater and wait 5-10 minutes for the fluorescent light to get bright enough to see what I'm doing. It's not so bad though... this is Oklahoma. Although winter may very well have arrived (I blaming Markle for bringing it), it could very well be 60* next week, or Christmas day, or 3 weekends in January. Ha ha! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276143#276143


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    Time: 06:57:17 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10
    >Its me John Recine AKA Mr. Peabody and I am building my "Waybak Machine" that will transport me and my guest (grandson Luca) AKA Sherman in the forward pit back to the >Golden Age of Aviation, the date is 1930 and we are cruising across the farm fields and lush pastures of the countryside of Lancaster Pennsylvania headed towards the >Midwestern heartland in the "Waybak Machine" just as the barnstormed did in the Golden Age. Ah, Mr. Peabody, his pet boy Sherman and their glorious "Wayback Machine." Those were the days when cartoons actually moved something besides their mouths and the stories even had a point to them. I could wax nostalgic (if I knew how) about those glorious days sitting in front of the B&W screen half filled with "snow" and wait for that final glib play on words from the fabulous Mr. Peabody: "Haven't you ever heard of Chicken catch a Tory?" I just caught a recent reference to those glorious days from a modern cartoonist, Mark Parisi (Off The Mark) where Mr. Peabody tells Sherman: "Set the Wayback Machine back to my puppy days so I can pummel you senseless for planning to get me fixed." Aahh! You young whippersnappers just don't understand fine humor. Sorry! absolutely nothing to do with my stalled Pietenpol project so.. . do not archive. Stinemetze McPherson, KS N328X


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    Time: 07:15:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    I don't think Jim's leaving Chicago until today, so you can't blame that on him.....although he will be bringing more back home with him! 25=B0F (or 3. 8=B0C for you geeks and Canucks) right now, snow yesterday....ha ha ha! :P Ryan do not archive On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:31 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote: > <snip> Although winter may very well have arrived (I blaming Markle for bringing > it) > <snip> > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276143#276143 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > >


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    Time: 07:26:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
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    Time: 07:26:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    Or, for the Canuck geeks, 269.1=B0K. do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter Nap I don't think Jim's leaving Chicago until today, so you can't blame that on him.....although he will be bringing more back home with him! 25=B0F (or 3.8=B0C for you geeks and Canucks) right now, snow yesterday....ha ha ha! :P Ryan do not archive On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:31 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote: <snip> Although winter may very well have arrived (I blaming Markle for bringing it) <snip> -------- Mark - working on wings


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    Time: 07:28:57 AM PST US
    From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    Hey Ryan. You must have looked at the steel gauge conversion chart rather than the temperature chart. You have to throw a "-" in front of your Celsius temperature to convert for we Canucks! Scott Knowlton Slow builder, Burlington, ON Canada -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter Nap I don't think Jim's leaving Chicago until today, so you can't blame that on him.....although he will be bringing more back home with him! 25F (or 3.8C for you geeks and Canucks) right now, snow yesterday....ha ha ha! :P Ryan do not archive On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:31 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net <mailto:hangar10@cox.net> > wrote: <snip> Although winter may very well have arrived (I blaming Markle for bringing it) <snip> -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276143#276143 <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276143#276143> ========== ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ==========


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    Time: 07:46:00 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    Uhhh, I believe the wind chill here (in Chicago) this morning is more like 14F....(someone geeky type up in Canada will probably want to convert THAT to K.....) I'm looking forward to heading south this afternoon!!!!! do not archive I don't think Jim's leaving Chicago until today, so you can't blame that on him.....although he will be bringing more back home with him! 25F (or 3.8C for you geeks and Canucks) right now, snow yesterday....ha ha ha! :P


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    Time: 08:07:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    Wow, 14F... That's 473.7 Rankine. Bill C. Up in Toronto, Canada, where it's further North, yet somewhat warmer than Chicago, at a balmy 2C (or 1.6 Reaumur, for the real geeks) Do not archive Do not archive Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter Nap --> <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Uhhh, I believe the wind chill here (in Chicago) this morning is more like 14F....(someone geeky type up in Canada will probably want to convert THAT to K.....) I'm looking forward to heading south this afternoon!!!!! do not archive I don't think Jim's leaving Chicago until today, so you can't blame that on him.....although he will be bringing more back home with him! 25F (or 3.8C for you geeks and Canucks) right now, snow yesterday....ha ha ha! :P


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    Time: 08:13:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: firewall question
    From: "Larry Vetter" <vetter@evertek.net>
    Thanks Gary for the reply, and photos. Actually the wood firewall has been removed and I was wondering if you guys are using 1/4" or 1/8" ply for the wood firewall. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276167#276167


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    Time: 08:20:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    And -8 Reaumur. [Shocked] -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276169#276169


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    Time: 08:21:46 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    Shad, Very nice writeup. Oscar could not have written it better, and that is saying something. Thank you for sharing your love of the plane, building, flying and your dad. I hope you show this to Gary. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Dec 4, 2009 12:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter Nap Group, Well today was the bitter sweet day of puting the Pietenpol down for the long winter nap. I re-arranged the hanger for the winter storage of the piet, so I can get my tractors out for snow plowing, and pulling dumb-dumbs out of the ditch if I happen to be around. As I put the piet in the corner of the hanger I thought about all the joy it gave me the past 12 months. Early this year I spent several hrs removing the heads for a cracked exaust pipe, and the other for spark plug threaded inserts. I spent a few hrs changing the fly wheel and fabricating spacers for a new ring gear instalation, just a couple weeks before Brodhead. I thought about all the knowlage I have gained working and flying this home-built flying machine. All of the scarry, interesting, and rewarding moments of this airplane's history were revisited in my mind. From the 1st failed attempt to brodhead to my 1st OSH arrival. I have learned persivierance and disipline from learning how to keep a experimental, auto engine flying, and staying safe, and enjoying the experiance it provides. I have learned much about working with my father, and gained knowlage from listening to what he tells me, and not comprimising on anything questionable. The most memerable experiance this year of 2009 was the flight from Brodhead to Waupun WI. I was living a boyhood fantasy of a real Dawn Patrol from an open cockpit, with 7 other pilots, probably living the same fantasy in there own minds. Now done flying the Piet for the winter, I stand at my shop door in my hanger, looking out from the warm shop, and I am still amazed that my father built damn near every piece on that airplane. Then I look up at all the pieces I have made on my little biplane, and hope that some day they all come togeather and carry me from the surrly bonds of earth, just as the Pietenpol my Father built just a few years ago. Happy Building, (and flying to those of you down south, or with pavement or skis) Shad


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    Time: 08:25:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: firewall question
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
    1/8" ------Original Message------ From: Larry Vetter Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: firewall question Sent: Dec 4, 2009 8:11 AM Thanks Gary for the reply, and photos. Actually the wood firewall has been removed and I was wondering if you guys are using 1/4" or 1/8" ply for the wood firewall. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276167#276167 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 08:25:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Typed it into Google incorrectly....woops! :P Ryan do not archive On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>w rote: > Hey Ryan. You must have looked at the steel gauge conversion chart rathe r > than the temperature chart. You have to throw a "-" in front of your > Celsius temperature to convert for we Canucks! > > Scott Knowlton > Slow builder, Burlington, ON Canada >


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    Time: 08:51:31 AM PST US
    From: "Dick N." <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    All this talk about putting the fine machines away for the winter!! I flew last Fri and Sat and will go out again this weekend. This is a time with smooth air and no bugs on the prop. It's supposed to hit 30 degrees on Sat. Dick N. St. Paul, Mn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter Nap > > Neat story Shad... especially about the dawn patrol. That must have been > something. > > I don't have a flying machine yet, but I hear ya on the cold part. It was > 20* here last night, and expected to be around the same tonight. I've > been eating kerosene fumes all week in order to keep working on my wings. > Tomorrow morning ought to be memorable (I'm sure I'll look back on these > days of BUILDING even after I'm flying)... turn the key on a frost covered > lock to open the doors, carry in my thermos of coffee, fire up the heater > and wait 5-10 minutes for the fluorescent light to get bright enough to > see what I'm doing. > > It's not so bad though... this is Oklahoma. Although winter may very well > have arrived (I blaming Markle for bringing it), it could very well be 60* > next week, or Christmas day, or 3 weekends in January. Ha ha! > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276143#276143 > > >


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    Time: 08:53:18 AM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: rudder travel stops
    After what Dan? Do you mean after the first flight? Gardiner ________________________________ From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 1:10:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder travel stops how many degrees left or right should I put the rudder stops? cheers , Gardiner Mason ________________________________ From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 12:10:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers I put mine on after. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: G & R Hewitt <grhewitt@globaldial.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers Hi all Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the top stringers? Tapes on stringers before covering Tapes over stringers after covering or No tapes at all Thanks Graham in West Oz =================================== =_blank>www.aeroelectric.com m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=================================== tp://forums.matronics.com ===================================


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    Time: 09:00:52 AM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: rudder travel stops
    now without stops when I go full rudder they are parallel with the elevators. Gardiner ________________________________ From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 3:03:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder travel stops Thats what I did also. Rick On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net> wrote: > > >I set the stops so that the rudder would not hit >the elevators. As I remember the rudder and the inner edge of the elevators were >about parallel--Jim Lagowski >From: airlion >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:10 >> PM >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder travel >> stops >> >> >>how many degrees left or right should I put the rudder stops? >> cheers , Gardiner Mason >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 12:10:22 >> PM >>Subject: Re: >> Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers >> >>I put mine on after. >> >>Dan Helsper >>Poplar Grove, IL. >> >> >> >>-----Original >> Message----- >>From: G & R Hewitt <grhewitt@globaldial.com> >>To: >> Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >>Sent: >> Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:38 am >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse >> stringers >> >> >>>> >> >>Hi all >>Re covering the fuse what is the >> consensus for reinforcing tapes over the top stringers? >>Tapes on stringers before covering >> >> >>Tapes over stringers after >> covering or >> >>No tapes at >>all >> >>Thanks Graham in West >> Oz >> >> >>=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com >>m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com >>=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com >>_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=================================== >>t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=================================== >>tp://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> > > >_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >tp://forums.matronics.com > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:04:32 AM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: one man's method of rudder stops
    thanks guys, I will glue some stops on for the rudder bar. Gardiner ________________________________ From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 3:09:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops Two blocks of poplar with T-88 glued as shown in front of the rudder bar to prevent the rudder from hitting either elevator. My FAA inspector wanted to see control stops (Bingelis warns of this in his books plus it just makes good sense) on all of my controls. Mike C.


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    Time: 09:10:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: firewall question
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    1/8" On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Larry Vetter <vetter@evertek.net> wrote: > > Thanks Gary for the reply, and photos. Actually the wood firewall has been > removed and I was wondering if you guys are using 1/4" or 1/8" ply for the > wood firewall. > > Larry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276167#276167 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:14:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Re Tapes over fuse stringers
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Since we are on the topic of covering, how did you guys cover the bottom of your center section? Mine is solid plywood, did you just glue the fabric to the outside ribs, leading and trailing edges or glue the fabric to the entire plywood surface? Rick On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Jim Malley <jgmalley@comcast.net> wrote: > I put on a second layer of fabric in lieu of the tapes, makes for a super > smooth finish. > Jim Malley > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* G & R Hewitt <grhewitt@globaldial.com> > *To:* Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:38 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Re Tapes over fuse stringers > > Hi all > > Re covering the fuse what is the consensus for reinforcing tapes over the > top stringers? > > Tapes on stringers before covering > > > Tapes over stringers after covering or > > > No tapes at all > > > Thanks Graham in West Oz > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 10:41:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Air Camper plans question
    From: "Joe Kidd" <cpprhed144a@yahoo.com>
    All, Am planning to order the Pietenpol Air Camper plans along with the long fuselage and three piece wing supplements, should I also order the builders manual and rib template supplements? My reason for asking on the later two is Ive read the rib template was a bit out of true and that so many of the old magazine articles covering Mr. Pietenpols Air Camper builds are carried on line. Ive already noticed the CAD drawings here as well as other material so I want to make an informed choice of what to order/purchase initially. Regards & Happy Holidays Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276202#276202


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    Time: 10:41:28 AM PST US
    From: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net>
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10
    Hey Gary, Hope you get those extra ribs done. Have you finished your center section now? Cheers, Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 4, 2009, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: Tom, Good for you and Luca! I'm picking up my 8 year old grandson today for the weekend...hoping he can help me jumpstart rib building (15 left to go). Gary Do not archiveSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:53:48 -0600To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 >Its me John Recine AKA Mr. Peabody and I am building my "Waybak = Machine" that will transport me and my guest (grandson Luca) AKA = Sherman in the forward pit back to the >Golden Age of Aviation, the = date is 1930 and we are cruising across the farm fields and lush pastures = of the countrysideof Lancaster Pennsylvania headed towards the = >Midwestern heartlandin the "Waybak Machine" just as the = barnstormed did in the Golden Age.Ah, Mr. Peabody,his = pet boy Sherman and their glorious "Wayback Machine." Those were the = days when cartoons actually moved something besides their mouths and the = storieseven had a point to them. I could wax nostalgic (if I knew = how) about those glorious days sitting in front of the B&W screen half = filled with "snow" and wait for that final glib play on words from the = fabulous Mr. Peabody: "Haven't you ever heard of Chicken catch a Tory?"I just caught a recent reference = to those glorious days from a modern cartoonist, Mark Parisi (Off The = Mark) where Mr. Peabody tells Sherman: "Set the Wayback Machine back to my = puppy days so I can pummel you senseless for planning to get me fixed."Aahh! You young whippersnappe= rs just don't understand fine humor.Sorry! absolutely nothing to do = with my stalled Pietenpol project so.. . do not archive. StinemetzeMcPherson, KS= N328X<= /HTML> ~,%M4xwr


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    Time: 10:43:41 AM PST US
    From: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net>
    Subject: Re: firewall question
    Mine is 1/4" Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 4, 2009, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: 1/8" ------Original Message------ From: Larry Vetter Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: firewall question Sent: Dec 4, 2009 8:11 AM Thanks Gary for the reply, and photos. Actually the wood firewall has been removed and I was wondering if you guys are using 1/4" or 1/8" ply for the wood firewall. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276167#276167 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 10:47:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: firewall question
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    1/8" Ply covered with .016 SS. Rick On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Vetter <vetter@evertek.net> wrote: > I'm sort of new here, and just acquired a Piet. project. It had a corvair > mounted but the entire plane had been diassembled for a rebuild before I > bought it. The firwall was removed and I was wondering what you guys that > are using the Corvair have for firewalls? Thanks. > Larry > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 10:58:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Any instruments for sale?
    From: "chase143" <chase143@aol.com>
    I'm not having much luck finding vintage pieces for my piet instrument panel (to replace the paper versions); altimeter, airspeed indicator, slip indicators. Meanwhile, I'm making my own of the later. Anyone have any leads, or any they want to sell to make room in their garages? Steve Owings, MD chase143@aol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276207#276207


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    Time: 11:07:07 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Any instruments for sale?
    I just kept watching ebay, and went to the fly market at SNF and OSH. Not that I have vintage instruments in mine (although the front seat altimeter is WWII vintage, as well as the front seat compass). Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any instruments for sale? I'm not having much luck finding vintage pieces for my piet instrument panel (to replace the paper versions); altimeter, airspeed indicator, slip indicators. Meanwhile, I'm making my own of the later. Anyone have any leads, or any they want to sell to make room in their garages? Steve Owings, MD chase143@aol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276207#276207


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    Time: 11:21:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper plans question
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Joe, The potential exists for the rib template to not be dimensionally correct, but the one received when we ordered our plans was perfect. Measure the distance between the front and rear spars on your print, and if it is correct (27 3/4" if I recall) then you should be fine (you can check dimensions at other stations along the rib if you want to see if it is *perfect*). And if it isn't dimensionally sound then you still have a nice big print of your Piet rib to decorate your shop with, for only $20. :P The meat of the builder's manual is the text from the Flying and Glider manual articles about the Air Camper, Sky Scout, and Ford engine conversions. However there is also a section where Mr. Pietenpol describes all the changes he made when converting for the Corvair (airframe and engine), and a number of pages of building hints, suggestions, and answers to frequently asked questions. I already had the EAA reprints of the F&G manuals when I ordered the plans, but I'm glad we purchased a copy of the 'Builder's Manual'. The rib template saves you the time of lofting the rib dimensions onto your jig, and also gives you full size templates for all of the gussets. The 'Builder's Manual' makes a nice addition to the plans package, and does hav e some good information. All in all I think it's $57 worth of good stuff that you won't kick yourself for purchasing, especially after you spend many thousands of dollars more on building your Piet. Ryan On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Joe Kidd <cpprhed144a@yahoo.com> wrote: > > All, > > Am planning to order the Pietenpol Air Camper plans along with the long > fuselage and three piece wing supplements, should I also order the builde rs > manual and rib template supplements? > > My reason for asking on the later two is I=92ve read the rib template was a > bit out of true and that so many of the old magazine articles covering Mr . > Pietenpol=92s Air Camper builds are carried on line. > > I=92ve already noticed the CAD drawing=92s here as well as other material so I > want to make an informed choice of what to order/purchase initially. > > Regards & Happy Holidays > > Joe >


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    Time: 11:26:04 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Any instruments for sale?
    I have a collection in my shop that I have yet to verify, unfortunately only the DG is ancient the other are either nos or hand me downs. I will not be willing to part with any until I get my panel figured out and populated to suit my needs. Once I get past that part I can make the leftovers available just nothing right now. John In a message dated 12/4/2009 2:07:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> I just kept watching ebay, and went to the fly market at SNF and OSH. Not that I have vintage instruments in mine (although the front seat altimeter is WWII vintage, as well as the front seat compass). Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any instruments for sale? I'm not having much luck finding vintage pieces for my piet instrument panel (to replace the paper versions); altimeter, airspeed indicator, slip indicators. Meanwhile, I'm making my own of the later. Anyone have any leads, or any they want to sell to make room in their garages? Steve Owings, MD chase143@aol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276207#276207


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    Time: 11:58:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Any instruments for sale?
    From: "chase143" <chase143@aol.com>
    Roger that Jack, sounds like a great reason to return to SNF/BH/OSH!! John, thanks, same here. Got a bunch of old (WWII) gages, heavy and most inop. I didn't realize how quick I would be working on the instrument panel, now it's on hold until I know what I'll have. I wonder if Matt would consider adding a separate "classified page" on this list. Our similar boat forum page has one and it is very active. Would be a good way to share/swap pieces and parts. Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276216#276216


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    Time: 12:00:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10
    From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    VGhhbmtzIFRvbSwgSSB3YXMgaG9waW5nIHNvbWVvbmUgYmVzaWRlcyBtZSB3b3VsZCxzaG91bGQg YW5kIGRpZCBhcHByZWNpYXRlIHRoZSBodW1vciBvZiBieWdvbmUgeW91dGguICBBbHRob3VnaCBJ IGRvbid0IHJlY2FsbCB5b3VyIGJlaW5nIGF0IG15IGhvdXNlIHdhdGNoaW5nIHJvY2t5IGFuZCBi dWxsd2lua2xlIG9uIHRoZSBzbm93IGNvdmVyZWQgc2NyZWVuIG9mIG91ciBCbGFjayhncmF5KSBh bmQgV2hpdGUgKGxpZ2h0ZXIgc2hhZGUgb2YgZ3JheSkgdHYuIEl0IHdhcyBoYXJkIHRvIHRlbGwg dGhlIGRpZmZlcmVuY2UgYmV0d2VlbiBzY3JlZW4gc25vdyBvciB0aGUgd2VhdGhlciBjb25kaXRp b25zIGluIGZyb3N0Yml0ZSBmYWxscyBNaW5uZXNvdGEgaG9tZSBvZiBvdXIgZnJpZW5kcyBSb2Nr ZXQgSiBTcXVpcnJlbCBhbmQgQnVsbHdpbmtsZSBNb29zZS4gDQoNCkRvIG5vdCBhcmNoaXZlIA0K DQpKb2huIA0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IFZlcml6b24gV2lyZWxlc3MgQmxhY2tCZXJyeQ0KDQotLS0t LU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogIlRPTSBTVElORU1FVFpFIiA8VE9NU0BtY3Bj aXR5LmNvbT4NCkRhdGU6IEZyaSwgMDQgRGVjIDIwMDkgMDg6NTM6NDggDQpUbzogPHBpZXRlbnBv bC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IFdpbnRl ciBOYXAgbm9wZSBCVUlMREFQQUxPT1pBIDA5IGFuZCAxMA0KDQoNCiANCg0KPkl0cyBtZSBKb2hu IFJlY2luZSBBS0EgTXIuIFBlYWJvZHkgYW5kIEkgYW0gYnVpbGRpbmcgbXkgIldheWJhayBNYWNo aW5lIiB0aGF0IHdpbGwgdHJhbnNwb3J0IG1lIGFuZCBteSBndWVzdCAoZ3JhbmRzb24gTHVjYSkg QUtBICBTaGVybWFuIGluIHRoZSBmb3J3YXJkIHBpdCBiYWNrIHRvIHRoZSA+R29sZGVuIEFnZSBv ZiBBdmlhdGlvbiwgdGhlIGRhdGUgaXMgMTkzMCBhbmQgd2UgYXJlIGNydWlzaW5nIGFjcm9zcyB0 aGUgZmFybSBmaWVsZHMgYW5kIGx1c2ggcGFzdHVyZXMgb2YgdGhlIGNvdW50cnlzaWRlIG9mIExh bmNhc3RlciBQZW5uc3lsdmFuaWEgaGVhZGVkIHRvd2FyZHMgdGhlID5NaWR3ZXN0ZXJuIGhlYXJ0 bGFuZCBpbiB0aGUgIldheWJhayBNYWNoaW5lIiBqdXN0IGFzIHRoZSBiYXJuc3Rvcm1lZCBkaWQg aW4gdGhlIEdvbGRlbiBBZ2UuDQogDQpBaCwgTXIuIFBlYWJvZHksIGhpcyBwZXQgYm95IFNoZXJt YW4gYW5kIHRoZWlyIGdsb3Jpb3VzICJXYXliYWNrIE1hY2hpbmUuIiAgVGhvc2Ugd2VyZSB0aGUg ZGF5cyB3aGVuIGNhcnRvb25zIGFjdHVhbGx5IG1vdmVkIHNvbWV0aGluZyBiZXNpZGVzIHRoZWly IG1vdXRocyBhbmQgdGhlIHN0b3JpZXMgZXZlbiBoYWQgYSBwb2ludCB0byB0aGVtLiBJIGNvdWxk IHdheCBub3N0YWxnaWMgKGlmIEkga25ldyBob3cpIGFib3V0IHRob3NlIGdsb3Jpb3VzIGRheXMg c2l0dGluZyBpbiBmcm9udCBvZiB0aGUgQiZXIHNjcmVlbiBoYWxmIGZpbGxlZCB3aXRoICJzbm93 IiBhbmQgd2FpdCBmb3IgdGhhdCBmaW5hbCBnbGliIHBsYXkgb24gd29yZHMgZnJvbSB0aGUgZmFi dWxvdXMgTXIuIFBlYWJvZHk6ICJIYXZlbid0IHlvdSBldmVyIGhlYXJkIG9mIENoaWNrZW4gY2F0 Y2ggYSBUb3J5PyINCiANCkkganVzdCBjYXVnaHQgYSByZWNlbnQgcmVmZXJlbmNlIHRvIHRob3Nl IGdsb3Jpb3VzIGRheXMgZnJvbSBhIG1vZGVybiBjYXJ0b29uaXN0LCBNYXJrIFBhcmlzaSAoT2Zm IFRoZSBNYXJrKSB3aGVyZSBNci4gUGVhYm9keSB0ZWxscyBTaGVybWFuOiAiU2V0IHRoZSBXYXli YWNrIE1hY2hpbmUgYmFjayB0byBteSBwdXBweSBkYXlzIHNvIEkgY2FuIHB1bW1lbCB5b3Ugc2Vu c2VsZXNzIGZvciBwbGFubmluZyB0byBnZXQgbWUgZml4ZWQuIg0KIA0KQWFoaCEgIFlvdSB5b3Vu ZyB3aGlwcGVyc25hcHBlcnMganVzdCBkb24ndCB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIGZpbmUgaHVtb3IuDQogDQpT b3JyeSEgYWJzb2x1dGVseSBub3RoaW5nIHRvIGRvIHdpdGggbXkgc3RhbGxlZCBQaWV0ZW5wb2wg cHJvamVjdCBzby4uIC4gZG8gbm90IGFyY2hpdmUuDQogDQpTdGluZW1ldHplDQpNY1BoZXJzb24s IEtTDQpOMzI4WA0KDQo


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    Time: 12:07:13 PM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: for sale or trade
    Caveat Emptor - I'm not sure a GN-1 motor mount will work with a regular ole Pietenpol. I know the motor mount for my A-65 is quite a bit longer than 11 3/4 inches. Probably more like 16": http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2550 Dan bryan green wrote: > Not sure if any my friend. The mount is 11 3/4" long and I can send you > other measurments if you want. > Bryan Green > Elgin SC > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hwaller" <hwaller@optonline.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:03 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: for sale or trade > > >> >> Hi, >> Could you explain if/how the GN-1 engine mount >> differs from the air camper mount. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275896#275896 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 02:25:53 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: HINT video #3 and website!
    - Come visit-my new website, Karetaker Aero,- http://www.karetakeraero.co m/-for the latest HINT videos and other homebuilt aircraft needs. Just ad ded: HINT Video #3 TAIL as well as a Metal Fittings Template. This is a 10 page set of all the metal fittings cut from 4130. CAD drawn and 100% full s cale.-Cut out, place on steel, trace...done. You may also use these to te st fit all your fittings on your plane prior to cutting any metal. Or, arra nge them on the floor to figure out how much metal to purchase.-Full deta ils on the website. All purchases may now be made right on the site with ei ther PayPal or credit card!- - karetaker@karetakeraero.com - Thank you.


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    Time: 02:53:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 12/03/09
    From: tbyh@aol.com
    I thought there was going to be a picture of Cristi Brinkley somewhere on here...???? Fred B.


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    Time: 03:15:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Winter ? ? All this type of weather does for those that are reluctant to get their nose red, is make a person dream, and dream you will.I too have kept all those memories, from the 60'S to the present. Allen Rudolf's was my first Piet to fly, and he introduced me to Mr Pietenpol, and Vi. The early 40s started me flying and you all will never forget all your moments in that first flight of your Pietenpol. After returning from Oshkosh, I got my well healed Piet back in the air with a spare prop. and a few more hours, The ski season is here and as well as cooler weather, Warm water in the Ford allows a smooth start, with the radiator covered 80 % the balance of heat is directed to the front cockpit, this makes for winter Piet excitements. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276235#276235


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    Time: 04:26:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper plans question
    From: "Joe Kidd" <cpprhed144a@yahoo.com>
    Thank's for the information Ryan. I hadn't thought about the "rib print" on the shop wall, that one made me grin. I've already laid out space in my basement to do the rib's and tail feathers. Time will tell on a pole barn or work shop. Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276247#276247


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    Time: 04:39:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    John, ........................laughing.....................................laugh ing...............................still laughing.......................... ................. A classic diatribe! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove,IL. do not archive


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    Time: 05:12:28 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10
    Center section is ready for cover!! Exhaust is welded, too! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 Hey Gary, Hope you get those extra ribs done. Have you finished your center section now? Cheers, Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 4, 2009, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: Tom, Good for you and Luca! I'm picking up my 8 year old grandson today for the weekend...hoping he can help me jumpstart rib building (15 left to go). Gary Do not archiveSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:53:48 -0600To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter Nap nope BUILDAPALOOZA 09 and 10 >Its me John Recine AKA Mr. Peabody and I am building my "Waybak = Machine" that will transport me and my guest (grandson Luca) AKA = Sherman in the forward pit back to the >Golden Age of Aviation, the = date is 1930 and we are cruising across the farm fields and lush pastures = of the countryside of Lancaster Pennsylvania headed towards the = >Midwestern heartland in the "Waybak Machine" just as the = barnstormed did in the Golden Age.Ah, Mr. Peabody, his = pet boy Sherman and their glorious "Wayback Machine." Those were the = days when cartoons actually moved something besides their mouths and the = stories even had a point to them. I could wax nostalgic (if I knew = how) about those glorious days sitting in front of the B&W screen half = filled with "snow" and wait for that final glib play on words from the = fabulous Mr. Peabody: "Haven't you ever heard of Chicken catch a Tory?" I just caught a recent reference = to those glorious days from a modern cartoonist! , Mark Parisi (Off The = Mark) where Mr. Peabody tells Sherman: "Set the Wayback Machine back to my = puppy days so I can pummel you senseless for planning to get me fixed." Aahh! You young whippersnappe= rs just don't understand fine humor. Sorry! absolutely nothing to do = with my stalled Pietenpol project so.. . do not archive. StinemetzeMcPherson, KS= N328X<= /HTML> ~,%M4xwr


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    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Karetaker aero website link bad
    I don't know what happened, but AMsafety advised me the link in my other po st is bad. (This is all new to me...no idea what happened to the link.-) - Thanks for the heads up though. - Anyhoo, for those interested the correct address is plain and simple WWW.ka retakeraero.com- Or you may search Google for Karetaker Aero.


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    Time: 07:26:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Aye, it is. I would be willing to bet that you copied the link from a work email you were viewing through Outlook Web Access. When you copy and paste those links you need to strip out all the Exchange link information that precedes the actual link you intend to send.... Ryan do not archive On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > I don't know what happened, but AMsafety advised me the link in my other > post is bad. (This is all new to me...no idea what happened to the link. ) > Thanks for the heads up though. > > Anyhoo, for those interested the correct address is plain and simple > WWW.karetakeraero.com <http://www.karetakeraero.com> Or you may search > Google for Karetaker Aero. >


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    Time: 09:53:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
    From: "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
    Typing it in manually works though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276274#276274




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