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1. 12:02 AM - Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (flea)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (bryan green)
3. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (Gene & Tammy)
4. 06:21 AM - Lindberg (skellytown flyer)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (Bill Church)
6. 07:03 AM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops? (Tim Willis)
7. 08:47 AM - one man's method of rudder stops? (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 09:28 AM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops? (David Paule)
9. 11:53 AM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops? (jorge lizarraga)
10. 11:56 AM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops? (jorge lizarraga)
11. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 plans needed (Ryan M)
12. 07:28 PM - T-88 (Dave and Connie)
13. 07:55 PM - Re: T-88 (Ryan Mueller)
14. 10:36 PM - Re: T-88 (flea)
15. 11:11 PM - Re: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (Robert Ray)
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| Subject: | Re: Karetaker aero website link bad |
built one of what? a pietenpol??
local guy here almost killed himself in one too, but he forgot to turn the fuel
on when he realized his mistake he found he couldn't reach the valve. But that
was 100% pilot error so I'm not sure what you are saying here. Boeing once lost
747. sooo. . .
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| Subject: | Re: Karetaker aero website link bad |
Just goes to show, building and piloting are two different animals. :~)
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 2:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
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> built one of what? a pietenpol??
>
> local guy here almost killed himself in one too, but he forgot to turn the
> fuel on when he realized his mistake he found he couldn't reach the valve.
> But that was 100% pilot error so I'm not sure what you are saying here.
> Boeing once lost 747. sooo. . .
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276429#276429
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| Subject: | Re: Karetaker aero website link bad |
It appears he's on the wrong site. I think he is talking about the "Flying
Flea".
Gene
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From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
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> Just goes to show, building and piloting are two different animals. :~)
> Bryan Green
> Elgin SC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 2:59 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
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>> built one of what? a pietenpol??
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>> local guy here almost killed himself in one too, but he forgot to turn
>> the
>> fuel on when he realized his mistake he found he couldn't reach the
>> valve.
>> But that was 100% pilot error so I'm not sure what you are saying here.
>> Boeing once lost 747. sooo. . .
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276429#276429
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if I can figure out how to paste the link here is some excellent video from the
great flight.you may have seen it. you have to figure out what to select at the
left to get all 4 parts. Raymond
http://www.airportappraisals.com/qualifications/
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| Subject: | Re: Karetaker aero website link bad |
Obviously he's referring to a website link.
They can be quite dangerous, if not handled properly.
And, when you decide to get rid of them, setting fire with gas alone won't do the
trick - you need to use a mixture of gas and oil.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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built one of what? a pietenpol??
Quote:
I watched an experienced builder build one of these, flew it one time and almost
killed him
he took it home took the instruments off poured a mixture of oil and gas on it
it and set
fire to it.
Russell
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| Subject: | Re: one man's method of rudder stops? |
Jorge,
Mount the empennage. Test for travel. See how and where the rudder might hit
the elevators. Measure carefully. Back up a little for greater assurance, and
to account for empennage flexing in flight. Set the stops.
(I think that is what others are saying, and it makes sense to me.)
As I recall, Oscar told me a while back he thought he had 2.5 inches of travel
plus or minus (5 inches total swing) on the rudder pedals or rudder bar.) See
what you get.
Tim in central TX
no authority on this
-----Original Message-----
From: jorge lizarraga
Sent: Dec 5, 2009 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops?
these is new for my guy can you telmy more my blue prits not sow about rudder stops???
tanks for all you help you cand telmy seyou nex Jorge from hanford
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops
thanks guys, I will glue some stops on for the rudder bar. Gardiner
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 3:09:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops
Two blocks of poplar with T-88 glued as shown in front of the rudder bar to prevent
the rudder from hitting either elevator.
My FAA inspector wanted to see control stops (Bingelis warns of this in his books
plus it just makes good sense)
on all of my controls.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | one man's method of rudder stops? |
Jorge;
You are correct... the plans do not show rudder stops.
It is a good idea to add them. My airplane has a
different version of rudder bar stops but I really
like the simple, solid ones Mike Cuy's airplane has.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: one man's method of rudder stops? |
In the Air Force, their way of having control stops is to have stops on both
the pilot's control and on the surface itself. I think that the idea is that
you'd bottom out the surface and have about a paper's thickness (using a
piece of paper as a feeler gauge, most paper is about .003 inches thick) at
the control stop.
There's a reason to have stops at both locations: the stops at the surface
prevent, if flutter occurs, motion of the stop past the limits. And the
stops at the controls prevent a very strong pilot from breaking the control
system. However, while that might be considered desireable practice, all the
FAA asks of certified small planes is that they have stops at the surface.
So for the rudder, the stops would be at the rudder. Stops on the rudder bar
are optional.
I remember that some of the intermediate control linkages also often had
stops. And that some, fancier or more critical than the others, had rigging
holes to facilitate adjustment.
You'd insert a rigging pin in the control, for example, and adjust the wires
or pushrods to get the next linkage lined up. Then a rigging pin at that
location, and move on to the next linkage. Adjust that, put the pin in, and
continue on. Eventually you'd have the entire system pinned and everything
aligned. Safety the connections and remove the pins and you're done.
Overkill for a Piet, but very easy for the mechanic.
David Paule
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| Subject: | Re: one man's method of rudder stops? |
tanks for you idea oscar Im add one set for tose , I work in welding stuff
all mos all ready done exept for hinhes bery dificult to make I think my is
not good maybe trate another way tanks for all jorge from hanford
--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops?
Jorge;
You are correct... the plans do not show rudder stops.
It is a good idea to add them.- My airplane has a
different version of rudder bar stops but I really
like the simple, solid ones Mike Cuy's airplane has.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: one man's method of rudder stops? |
all right taks for these aidea is best way to make those stops i don realis
e these until I look the mike kuy pictured and??? lest duet what you say ta
nks again seyou nex jorge ;;Im beri sori for my terrible writing im not goo
d for computers .
--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops?
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et>
Jorge,
Mount the empennage.- Test for travel.- See how and where the rudder mi
ght hit the elevators.- Measure carefully.- Back up a little for greate
r assurance, and to account for empennage flexing in flight.- Set the sto
ps.-
(I think that is what others are saying, and it makes sense to me.)-
As I recall, Oscar told me a while back he thought he had 2.5 inches of tra
vel plus or minus (5 inches total swing) on the rudder pedals or rudder bar
.)- See what you get.
-
Tim in central TX
no authority on this
-----Original Message-----
From: jorge lizarraga
Sent: Dec 5, 2009 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops?
these is new for my guy can you telmy more my blue prits not sow about rudd
er stops??? tanks for all you help you cand telmy seyou nex Jorge from hanf
ord
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops
thanks guys, I will glue some stops on for the rudder bar.- Gardiner
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.c
uy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 3:09:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops
Two blocks of poplar with T-88 glued as shown in front of the rudder bar to
prevent the rudder from hitting either elevator.
My FAA inspector wanted to see control stops (Bingelis warns of this in his
books plus it just makes good sense)
on all of my controls.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 plans needed |
Ivan, where did you get your coordinates from. There seems to be a bit of c
onfusion out there. I bought Riblet's book and the GA30-612 wasn't in there
.
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Ryan
--- On Tue, 11/24/09, ivan.todorovic <tosha@sezampro.rs> wrote:
From: ivan.todorovic <tosha@sezampro.rs>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett 612 plans needed
coxwelljon wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Do you have access to a CADD program?- If so here is a link to a DWG fi
le for the 612 airfoil.
>
That is the link to the wrong 612 Airfoil. That's what happens when you use
the short names. Airfoil on that site is GA37-612, and for AirCampers it i
s recommended to use GA30-612.
I've attached to this message DXF and PDF files I've maid, with correct air
foil. Use them, or pay for the drawings somebody is selling on this list. T
hat drawing has full rib details, although spar distance and other details
are drawn for classic Pietenpol, I guess you'll have to draw your own for G
N-1.
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Who has the best price on the quart size T-88?
Dave
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=t-88+epoxy
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Dave and Connie <dmatt@frontiernet.net>wrote:
> dmatt@frontiernet.net>
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> Who has the best price on the quart size T-88?
>
> Dave
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ok thats exactly the kind of answer I would have given. I love the link never knew
that existed. I think I will use that in the future.
That said, I think he is asking if anyone has a source that has a good price short
of googling every supplier on the web. his question wasn't where can he get
it, the question was who has the best price. So that clarified a bit, anyone
here know of a specific supplier that is asking a really good price, or is it
all about the same.
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| Subject: | Re: Karetaker aero website link bad |
Oh sorry about the confusion I accidentally hit the wrong forum.
No a link shouldn't kill you, correct that engineering degree shines
through Bill.
Russell
Do not archive
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Obviously he's referring to a website link.
> They can be quite dangerous, if not handled properly.
>
> And, when you decide to get rid of them, setting fire with gas alone won'
t
> do the trick - you need to use a mixture of gas and oil.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Quote:
> built one of what? a pietenpol??
>
>
> Quote:
> I watched an experienced builder build one of these, flew it one time and
> almost killed him
> he took it home took the instruments off poured a mixture of oil and gas
on
> it it and set
> fire to it.
> =EF=BD
> Russell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276449#276449
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