---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/06/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:02 AM - Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (flea) 2. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (bryan green) 3. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (Gene & Tammy) 4. 06:21 AM - Lindberg (skellytown flyer) 5. 06:26 AM - Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (Bill Church) 6. 07:03 AM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops? (Tim Willis) 7. 08:47 AM - one man's method of rudder stops? (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 09:28 AM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops? (David Paule) 9. 11:53 AM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops? (jorge lizarraga) 10. 11:56 AM - Re: one man's method of rudder stops? (jorge lizarraga) 11. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 plans needed (Ryan M) 12. 07:28 PM - T-88 (Dave and Connie) 13. 07:55 PM - Re: T-88 (Ryan Mueller) 14. 10:36 PM - Re: T-88 (flea) 15. 11:11 PM - Re: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (Robert Ray) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad From: "flea" built one of what? a pietenpol?? local guy here almost killed himself in one too, but he forgot to turn the fuel on when he realized his mistake he found he couldn't reach the valve. But that was 100% pilot error so I'm not sure what you are saying here. Boeing once lost 747. sooo. . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276429#276429 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:34 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad Just goes to show, building and piloting are two different animals. :~) Bryan Green Elgin SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "flea" Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 2:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad > > built one of what? a pietenpol?? > > local guy here almost killed himself in one too, but he forgot to turn the > fuel on when he realized his mistake he found he couldn't reach the valve. > But that was 100% pilot error so I'm not sure what you are saying here. > Boeing once lost 747. sooo. . . > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276429#276429 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:51 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad It appears he's on the wrong site. I think he is talking about the "Flying Flea". Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "bryan green" Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad > > Just goes to show, building and piloting are two different animals. :~) > Bryan Green > Elgin SC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "flea" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 2:59 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad > > >> >> built one of what? a pietenpol?? >> >> local guy here almost killed himself in one too, but he forgot to turn >> the >> fuel on when he realized his mistake he found he couldn't reach the >> valve. >> But that was 100% pilot error so I'm not sure what you are saying here. >> Boeing once lost 747. sooo. . . >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276429#276429 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:41:00 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lindberg From: "skellytown flyer" if I can figure out how to paste the link here is some excellent video from the great flight.you may have seen it. you have to figure out what to select at the left to get all 4 parts. Raymond http://www.airportappraisals.com/qualifications/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276448#276448 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad From: "Bill Church" Obviously he's referring to a website link. They can be quite dangerous, if not handled properly. And, when you decide to get rid of them, setting fire with gas alone won't do the trick - you need to use a mixture of gas and oil. DO NOT ARCHIVE Quote: built one of what? a pietenpol?? Quote: I watched an experienced builder build one of these, flew it one time and almost killed him he took it home took the instruments off poured a mixture of oil and gas on it it and set fire to it. Russell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276449#276449 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:29 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops? Jorge, Mount the empennage. Test for travel. See how and where the rudder might hit the elevators. Measure carefully. Back up a little for greater assurance, and to account for empennage flexing in flight. Set the stops. (I think that is what others are saying, and it makes sense to me.) As I recall, Oscar told me a while back he thought he had 2.5 inches of travel plus or minus (5 inches total swing) on the rudder pedals or rudder bar.) See what you get. Tim in central TX no authority on this -----Original Message----- From: jorge lizarraga Sent: Dec 5, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops? these is new for my guy can you telmy more my blue prits not sow about rudder stops??? tanks for all you help you cand telmy seyou nex Jorge from hanford --- On Fri, 12/4/09, airlion wrote: From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops thanks guys, I will glue some stops on for the rudder bar. Gardiner From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 3:09:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops Two blocks of poplar with T-88 glued as shown in front of the rudder bar to prevent the rudder from hitting either elevator. My FAA inspector wanted to see control stops (Bingelis warns of this in his books plus it just makes good sense) on all of my controls. Mike C. htt --> Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops? Jorge; You are correct... the plans do not show rudder stops. It is a good idea to add them. My airplane has a different version of rudder bar stops but I really like the simple, solid ones Mike Cuy's airplane has. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:05 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops? In the Air Force, their way of having control stops is to have stops on both the pilot's control and on the surface itself. I think that the idea is that you'd bottom out the surface and have about a paper's thickness (using a piece of paper as a feeler gauge, most paper is about .003 inches thick) at the control stop. There's a reason to have stops at both locations: the stops at the surface prevent, if flutter occurs, motion of the stop past the limits. And the stops at the controls prevent a very strong pilot from breaking the control system. However, while that might be considered desireable practice, all the FAA asks of certified small planes is that they have stops at the surface. So for the rudder, the stops would be at the rudder. Stops on the rudder bar are optional. I remember that some of the intermediate control linkages also often had stops. And that some, fancier or more critical than the others, had rigging holes to facilitate adjustment. You'd insert a rigging pin in the control, for example, and adjust the wires or pushrods to get the next linkage lined up. Then a rigging pin at that location, and move on to the next linkage. Adjust that, put the pin in, and continue on. Eventually you'd have the entire system pinned and everything aligned. Safety the connections and remove the pins and you're done. Overkill for a Piet, but very easy for the mechanic. David Paule ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:44 AM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops? tanks for you idea oscar Im add one set for tose , I work in welding stuff all mos all ready done exept for hinhes bery dificult to make I think my is not good maybe trate another way tanks for all jorge from hanford --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Oscar Zuniga wrote: From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops? Jorge; You are correct... the plans do not show rudder stops. It is a good idea to add them.- My airplane has a different version of rudder bar stops but I really like the simple, solid ones Mike Cuy's airplane has. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- -------- ------ --- - le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:50 AM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops? all right taks for these aidea is best way to make those stops i don realis e these until I look the mike kuy pictured and??? lest duet what you say ta nks again seyou nex jorge ;;Im beri sori for my terrible writing im not goo d for computers . --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Tim Willis wrote: From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops? m et> Jorge, Mount the empennage.- Test for travel.- See how and where the rudder mi ght hit the elevators.- Measure carefully.- Back up a little for greate r assurance, and to account for empennage flexing in flight.- Set the sto ps.- (I think that is what others are saying, and it makes sense to me.)- As I recall, Oscar told me a while back he thought he had 2.5 inches of tra vel plus or minus (5 inches total swing) on the rudder pedals or rudder bar .)- See what you get. - Tim in central TX no authority on this -----Original Message----- From: jorge lizarraga Sent: Dec 5, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops? these is new for my guy can you telmy more my blue prits not sow about rudd er stops??? tanks for all you help you cand telmy seyou nex Jorge from hanf ord --- On Fri, 12/4/09, airlion wrote: From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops thanks guys, I will glue some stops on for the rudder bar.- Gardiner From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 3:09:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: one man's method of rudder stops Two blocks of poplar with T-88 glued as shown in front of the rudder bar to prevent the rudder from hitting either elevator. My FAA inspector wanted to see control stops (Bingelis warns of this in his books plus it just makes good sense) on all of my controls. Mike C. htt--- --> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett 612 plans needed Ivan, where did you get your coordinates from. There seems to be a bit of c onfusion out there. I bought Riblet's book and the GA30-612 wasn't in there .. - Ryan --- On Tue, 11/24/09, ivan.todorovic wrote: From: ivan.todorovic Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett 612 plans needed coxwelljon wrote: > Hello, > > Do you have access to a CADD program?- If so here is a link to a DWG fi le for the 612 airfoil. > That is the link to the wrong 612 Airfoil. That's what happens when you use the short names. Airfoil on that site is GA37-612, and for AirCampers it i s recommended to use GA30-612. I've attached to this message DXF and PDF files I've maid, with correct air foil. Use them, or pay for the drawings somebody is selling on this list. T hat drawing has full rib details, although spar distance and other details are drawn for classic Pietenpol, I guess you'll have to draw your own for G N-1. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274594#274594 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ga30u_612_113.dxf http://forums.matronics.com//files/ga30u_612_872.pdf le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:33 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 Who has the best price on the quart size T-88? Dave ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 From: Ryan Mueller http://lmgtfy.com/?q=t-88+epoxy On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Dave and Connie wrote: > dmatt@frontiernet.net> > > Who has the best price on the quart size T-88? > > Dave > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 From: "flea" ok thats exactly the kind of answer I would have given. I love the link never knew that existed. I think I will use that in the future. That said, I think he is asking if anyone has a source that has a good price short of googling every supplier on the web. his question wasn't where can he get it, the question was who has the best price. So that clarified a bit, anyone here know of a specific supplier that is asking a really good price, or is it all about the same. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276539#276539 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad From: Robert Ray Oh sorry about the confusion I accidentally hit the wrong forum. No a link shouldn't kill you, correct that engineering degree shines through Bill. Russell Do not archive On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Obviously he's referring to a website link. > They can be quite dangerous, if not handled properly. > > And, when you decide to get rid of them, setting fire with gas alone won' t > do the trick - you need to use a mixture of gas and oil. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Quote: > built one of what? a pietenpol?? > > > Quote: > I watched an experienced builder build one of these, flew it one time and > almost killed him > he took it home took the instruments off poured a mixture of oil and gas on > it it and set > fire to it. > =EF=BD > Russell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276449#276449 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.