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1. 03:32 AM - Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (ivan.todorovic)
2. 06:44 AM - Show and tell at work. (kevinpurtee)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (Jack Phillips)
4. 06:55 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (TOM STINEMETZE)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (Dan Yocum)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
7. 08:06 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (gboothe5@comcast.net)
8. 08:10 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (H RULE)
9. 08:12 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (hvandervoo@aol.com)
10. 08:33 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (Gene & Tammy)
11. 09:09 AM - Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (David Paule)
12. 09:36 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (Dan Yocum)
13. 09:49 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (Jeff Boatright)
14. 10:12 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (H RULE)
15. 10:43 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (airlion)
16. 10:54 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (Jeff Boatright)
17. 11:17 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (flea)
18. 11:24 AM - winter flying with an A65 (Dan Yocum)
19. 12:17 PM - Question about Aluminum Props (Bill Church)
20. 12:52 PM - Doc Mosher Email address (Allan Macklem)
21. 01:53 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Dick Navratil)
22. 02:40 PM - Re: Question about Aluminum Props (Ryan Mueller)
23. 02:43 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Richard Schreiber)
24. 02:58 PM - Question about Aluminum Props (Oscar Zuniga)
25. 02:58 PM - Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber)
26. 03:02 PM - FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber)
27. 03:32 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Jeff Boatright)
28. 03:49 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Jeff Boatright)
29. 04:08 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber)
30. 04:09 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber)
31. 04:42 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (H RULE)
32. 04:42 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Jeff Boatright)
33. 04:54 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Jeff Boatright)
34. 04:55 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Jack)
35. 05:10 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Jeff Boatright)
36. 05:11 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber)
37. 05:33 PM - Aluminum prices.... (Jim Markle)
38. 05:41 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber)
39. 05:47 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Ryan Mueller)
40. 05:48 PM - ARMY aviators, and Corvairs (shad bell)
41. 07:19 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Clif Dawson)
42. 08:08 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Dick Navratil)
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Subject: | Re: Karetaker aero website link bad |
Nice and unbiased first-hand comparison. Though, "almost no wood damage after every
peace of metal is bent" after such an event is advertisement for Grega in
my book, but I'm biased towards GN-1.
One thing is not clear to me, Rob please clarify why you say "don't raise the wing"?
Ivan
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Subject: | Show and tell at work. |
I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of pics.
Happy Holidays,
Kevin Purtee
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Subject: | Show and tell at work. |
How cool is THAT? Way to go, Kevin!
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work.
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of
pics.
Happy Holidays,
Kevin Purtee
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Subject: | Re: Show and tell at work. |
Nice photos Kevin. Just imagine hanging a couple of those rocket pods
under your wings. NOW you can go on dawn patrol.
do not archive
>>> I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a
couple of pics.
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Subject: | Re: Show and tell at work. |
Color me jealous! Those are great shots.
I attempted to blow 4" of heavy, heavy wet snow off the driveway this
morning. Key word being, "attempted."
Almost makes me want to live in Texas.
;-)
kevinpurtee wrote:
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> I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of pics.
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> Happy Holidays,
> Kevin Purtee
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Show and tell at work. |
Very=2C Very Cool!!
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work.
> From: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
> Date: Wed=2C 9 Dec 2009 06:44:30 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Show and tell at work. |
Nice, Kevin! Who wouldn't envy you, but you've earned it?!
------Original Message------
From: kevinpurtee
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work.
Sent: Dec 9, 2009 6:44 AM
I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of pics.
Happy Holidays,
Kevin Purtee
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Subject: | Re: Show and tell at work. |
Wow what a beautiful Piet and you get to fly to work every day.I'm sure thi
s would be everyones dream come true.I know it would have been for me.I thi
nk that Piet is even prettier than that chopper.Nice work man!I have saved
both those pics.You have one of the nicest Piets I've seen since getting on
this web page.Thanks for the pics.Just fabulous!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________
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Subject: | Re: Show and tell at work. |
Nice, do you ever bring work home?
Happy landings,
Hans
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Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 8:44 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work.
mil>
I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of
pics.
appy Holidays,
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Subject: | Re: Show and tell at work. |
Kevin, I second the "Color me jealous".
Dan, nobody hates snow that much!
Gene in windy & rainy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work.
>
> Color me jealous! Those are great shots.
>
> I attempted to blow 4" of heavy, heavy wet snow off the driveway this
> morning. Key word being, "attempted."
>
> Almost makes me want to live in Texas.
>
> ;-)
>
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> kevinpurtee wrote:
>> <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>>
>> I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple
>> of pics.
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>> Kevin Purtee
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>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4hTEJbGkTI&feature=related
Look at those wings!
David Paule
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Subject: | Re: Show and tell at work. |
Gene & Tammy wrote:
> <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
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> Kevin, I second the "Color me jealous".
> Dan, nobody hates snow that much!
> Gene in windy & rainy Tennessee
Oh, it's not the hate of snow, but the love of low and slow flying that
would draw me to warmer climes.
I'm from the Upper Midwest - I actually like snow. Heck, when I was a
kid in Minnesota, it pained me greatly when we had to put the dog sleds
away on the first day of June.
;-)
The weather for this weekend looks like it'll break the freezing mark
and the winds will be low (albeit directly across the narrow paved
portion of the runway). Methinks it's time to break out the torpedo
heater and go flying.
Dan
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Subject: | Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion |
Is that owl using the FC10 or the Riblett 613??
Sorry...had to be asked....
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>Look at those wings!
>
>David Paule
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"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion |
Don't go there.LOL!!!This could be another one of those milk bottle things!
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ff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent:
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ight <jboatri@emory.edu>=0A=0AIs that owl using the FC10 or the Riblett 613
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Subject: | Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion |
how can you look at those wings when all you can se are those talons coming at
you. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:48:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion
Is that owl using the FC10 or the Riblett 613??
Sorry...had to be asked....
>
>Look at those wings!
>
>David Paule
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion |
Agreed, the owl gear is a distinct improvement over the GN-1 landing
gear. And man, talk about short landings. Owl gear really lets you
stick it on the numbers! Of course, there will be blood...
Ya know, I need to go flying...or get a life! =-O
>
>how can you look at those wings when all you can se are those talons
>coming at you. Gardiner
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:48:42 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion
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>Is that owl using the FC10 or the Riblett 613??
>
>
>Sorry...had to be asked....
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>>
>>Look at those wings!
>>
> >David Paule
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion |
jboatri(at)emory.edu wrote:
> ...Ya know, I need to go flying...or get a life! =-O
Or an owl
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Subject: | winter flying with an A65 |
Speaking of winter flying, I was perusing Harry Fenton's page on A65's
and he makes mention of a winterizing kit - something to do with
blocking the eyebrow baffles. Does anyone up here in winter wonderland
have an estimate of how much they block off their eyebrows? 50%? Less?
More?
And on a slightly related topic - how many of you religiously adhere to
the TCM Service Information Letter, SIL99-1, recommendation of pickling
your engines with a perservative oil? It sound like there's a special
level of hell reserved for me if I don't properly protect my engine for
the winter... Yes, I realize that it's "the best thing" to do, but I
just haven't gotten out to the airport to do it, yet. :-(
Thanks,
Dan
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Question about Aluminum Props |
Hi All,
I recently made an 1800-mile weekend roadtrip down to Georgia and back to pick
up the engine that will eventually be sitting on the nose of my Piet. 15 hours
there, and 15 hours back home, Saturday morning to Sunday night!
Anyway, the engine is a C-75-12 that came directly off an Ercoupe (well, off the
plane, then into a hangar for 10 years or so, then into my van), and the aluminum
propeller was still attached. The propeller was included in the sale.
I was looking at the propeller last night, and was wondering about some of the
markings around the hub. Most of it is clear to me. Made by McCauley, 73" diameter,
51" pitch, Serial number, etc. I've attached a photo. Stamped faintly into
the face ( just below MET-L-PROP, but hard to see in the photo) is the word
"reconditioned". And, at roughly the 2 O'clock position there are two more numbers
stamped into the face, TC842, and PC3 (hours and pitch change, maybe?).
Anyone know what the significance of those two numbers are? I'm wondering if the
prop has been re-pitched (something I would likely want to do to use it on
my Piet, anyway - 51" sounds like too much pitch for a Piet, I think). There was
a timely article in the last issue (I think) of Sport Aviation, about propeller
maintenance, and it indicated that metal props can be re-pitched a total
of 8".
Any ideas?
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: winter flying with an A65 |
Blocking the eyebrow baffles is not a good idea. The cyl heads still need
to get air.. I was out flying over NW Wisc last Sat at 24 deg at takeoff .
All I use is a kit from Wag Aero that covers the oil tank and intake tubes.
Current price is $50.
We had an EAA Chapt meeting last year with a the owner of a major engine
rebuild shop talking about winter storage prep. His best recommendations
were;
1. If storing the engine for the winter, change oil and start up and bring
to operating temp. Then shut down and it will be fine. Do not heat engine
or turn over prop after that.
2. Before starting engine in cold temps pre heat engine. Depending on temp
you can use a trouble light with 100 watt bulb for a couple of hours or
electric heater, but don't cycle on and off if you aren't going to be
starting the engine.
3. Allow plenty of running warm up time before flying and operate throttle
slowley. Rapid throttle can cause engine to stall.
I like to fly in winter, air is generally smooth and the aren't any bugs.
Also we have lots of frozen lakes that make safe landing spots when cruising
at 5 10 ft agl.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65
>
> Speaking of winter flying, I was perusing Harry Fenton's page on A65's and
> he makes mention of a winterizing kit - something to do with blocking the
> eyebrow baffles. Does anyone up here in winter wonderland have an
> estimate of how much they block off their eyebrows? 50%? Less? More?
>
> And on a slightly related topic - how many of you religiously adhere to
> the TCM Service Information Letter, SIL99-1, recommendation of pickling
> your engines with a perservative oil? It sound like there's a special
> level of hell reserved for me if I don't properly protect my engine for
> the winter... Yes, I realize that it's "the best thing" to do, but I just
> haven't gotten out to the airport to do it, yet. :-(
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Question about Aluminum Props |
Bill,
TC842 should refer to the Type Certificate Data Sheet number that the
propeller was certified under. You can find the TCDS registry if you google
"faa tcds". I'll email you a copy....in it they list all the various models
of props that fall under that type cert, specs, model number breakdown and
explanation, etc. That should answer some of your questions. A quick
skimming of the TCDS didn't reveal any mention of PC3...maybe someone else
has that info. I'd look a bit more into it, but I have to get ready to leave
work. Good luck!
Ryan
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I recently made an 1800-mile weekend roadtrip down to Georgia and back to
> pick up the engine that will eventually be sitting on the nose of my Piet.
> 15 hours there, and 15 hours back home, Saturday morning to Sunday night!
> Anyway, the engine is a C-75-12 that came directly off an Ercoupe (well,
> off the plane, then into a hangar for 10 years or so, then into my van), and
> the aluminum propeller was still attached. The propeller was included in the
> sale.
> I was looking at the propeller last night, and was wondering about some of
> the markings around the hub. Most of it is clear to me. Made by McCauley,
> 73" diameter, 51" pitch, Serial number, etc. I've attached a photo. Stamped
> faintly into the face ( just below MET-L-PROP, but hard to see in the photo)
> is the word "reconditioned". And, at roughly the 2 O'clock position there
> are two more numbers stamped into the face, TC842, and PC3 (hours and pitch
> change, maybe?). Anyone know what the significance of those two numbers are?
> I'm wondering if the prop has been re-pitched (something I would likely want
> to do to use it on my Piet, anyway - 51" sounds like too much pitch for a
> Piet, I think). There was a timely article in the last issue (I think) of
> Sport Aviation, about propeller maintenance, and it indicated that metal
> props can be re-pitched a total of 8".
> Any ideas?
>
> Bill C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: winter flying with an A65 |
Good information Dick.
As I get close to finishing my Piet I was wondering about flying in the
North country in the wintertime. Especially with the weather we are having
in the Midwest right now. Chicago and NW Indiana will have a high of around
10 to 12 degrees tomorrow. Those of you that fly in the winter what is your
lower comfort level for temperatures? What kind of clothing do you wear? I
realize mileage may vary, but I would just like to get a read of how
"rough" it is flying in the winter.
Rick Schreiber
In windy and cold Valparaiso Indiana.
> [Original Message]
> From: Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/9/2009 3:55:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65
>
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> Blocking the eyebrow baffles is not a good idea. The cyl heads still
need
> to get air.. I was out flying over NW Wisc last Sat at 24 deg at takeoff
.
> All I use is a kit from Wag Aero that covers the oil tank and intake
tubes.
> Current price is $50.
> We had an EAA Chapt meeting last year with a the owner of a major engine
> rebuild shop talking about winter storage prep. His best recommendations
> were;
> 1. If storing the engine for the winter, change oil and start up and
bring
> to operating temp. Then shut down and it will be fine. Do not heat
engine
> or turn over prop after that.
> 2. Before starting engine in cold temps pre heat engine. Depending on
temp
> you can use a trouble light with 100 watt bulb for a couple of hours or
> electric heater, but don't cycle on and off if you aren't going to be
> starting the engine.
> 3. Allow plenty of running warm up time before flying and operate
throttle
> slowley. Rapid throttle can cause engine to stall.
> I like to fly in winter, air is generally smooth and the aren't any bugs.
> Also we have lots of frozen lakes that make safe landing spots when
cruising
> at 5 10 ft agl.
> Dick N.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:21 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65
>
>
> >
> > Speaking of winter flying, I was perusing Harry Fenton's page on A65's
and
> > he makes mention of a winterizing kit - something to do with blocking
the
> > eyebrow baffles. Does anyone up here in winter wonderland have an
> > estimate of how much they block off their eyebrows? 50%? Less? More?
> >
> > And on a slightly related topic - how many of you religiously adhere to
> > the TCM Service Information Letter, SIL99-1, recommendation of pickling
> > your engines with a perservative oil? It sound like there's a special
> > level of hell reserved for me if I don't properly protect my engine for
> > the winter... Yes, I realize that it's "the best thing" to do, but I
just
> > haven't gotten out to the airport to do it, yet. :-(
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> >
> > --
> > Dan Yocum
> > Fermilab 630.840.6509
> > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Question about Aluminum Props |
Original test flights on 41CC were done with a metal prop
(see top couple of pix at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html )
As far as I know, performance was not the issue, but
weight & balance with about 20 lbs. less weight on the
nose can be quite a change.
Somewhere along the line during test flights, the metal
prop was replaced with a Flottorp 74x50, then later that
was replaced with the Hegy 72x42. Perhaps Corky can
comment on the prop changes but the test flight notes
don't indicate any deficiencies in performance with
the earlier props.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Aluminum sheet prices |
Fellow Pieters:
Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel
tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their
prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | FW: Aluminum sheet prices |
Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM
Subject: Aluminum sheet prices
Fellow Pieters:
Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel
tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their
prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices |
Rick,
Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your
tank? Will it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld
the edges?
Thanks,
Jeff
>Forgot to include the company... its
><http://www.onlinemetals.com>http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is
>the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with
>for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp.
>
>Rick S
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:lmforge@earthlink.net>Richard Schreiber
>To: <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>pietenpol-list
>Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM
>Subject: Aluminum sheet prices
>
>Fellow Pieters:
>Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet
>for my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48"
>sheet was only $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be
>the best around.
>
>
>Rick Schreiber
>
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Subject: | Re: winter flying with an A65 |
Now that we have the engine taken care of, what do you guys were when
flying in the winter? I generally get away with insulated Dickey
overalls and a balaclava under my summer-weight helmet. On really
cold days I add light thermal underwear and a size XL windbreaker
that fits over everything.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices |
Jeff:
I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a nose tank
ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of around 19
gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to what was done
on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as necessary. The welding
will all be TIG, done by a retired professional welder. Again those prices at
onlinemetals are really good, much better than from aviation sources. I have
one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" that is still much cheaper than any
place else.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
Rick,
Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank? Will
it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges?
Thanks,
Jeff
Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM
Subject: Aluminum sheet prices
Fellow Pieters:
Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel
tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their
prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices |
Jeff:
I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a nose tank
ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of around 19
gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to what was done
on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as necessary. The welding
will all be TIG, done by a retired professional welder. Again those prices at
onlinemetals are really good, much better than from aviation sources. I have
one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" that is still much cheaper than any
place else.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
Rick,
Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank? Will
it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges?
Thanks,
Jeff
Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM
Subject: Aluminum sheet prices
Fellow Pieters:
Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel
tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their
prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Re: winter flying with an A65 |
Well we fly naked up here in Canada;-)=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>=0ATo
: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 9, 2009 6:48:50 PM=0AS
ubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-Li
st message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>=0A=0ANow that we h
ave the engine taken care of, what do you guys were when flying in the wint
er? I generally get away with insulated Dickey overalls and a balaclava und
er my summer-weight helmet. On really cold days I add light thermal underwe
ar and a size XL windbreaker that fits over everything.=0A-- =0AJeff Boatri
=========================0A
====
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Subject: | Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices |
Hey Rick,
Thanks for the follow up. The price is right. 19 gallons! Zounds! Yer
butt can take more Piet punishment than mine.
We've been jabbering about replacing our cockpit tank for over a
year. Problem is, we're having too much dang fun to "take it offline"
for a switch. One of these days...
Jeff
>Jeff:
>I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to
>a nose tank ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated
>capacity of around 19 gallons. Most of the welded seams will be
>flanged (similar to what was done on Luscombe tanks), though some
>will be butt welded as necessary. The welding will all be TIG, done
>by a retired professional welder. Again those prices at onlinemetals
>are really good, much better than from aviation sources. I have one
>piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" that is still much cheaper
>than any place else.
>
>Rick Schreiber
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Subject: | Re: winter flying with an A65 |
Ya know, I could have gone the rest of my life without reading that...
>Well we fly naked up here in Canada;-)
>do not archive
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Subject: | FW: Aluminum sheet prices |
Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out there
with a nose tank and larger engine? I'm planning an 85, 90 or 0200 and
concerned that I will have enough fuel pressure for the higher horsepower.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM, 16" snow, 8 foot drifts.good day for working on the Piet.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
Jeff:
I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a nose
tank ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of
around 19 gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to
what was done on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as
necessary. The welding will all be TIG, done by a retired professional
welder. Again those prices at onlinemetals are really good, much better than
from aviation sources. I have one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60"
that is still much cheaper than any place else.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright <mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
Rick,
Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank?
Will it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges?
Thanks,
Jeff
Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is
the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for
years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber <mailto:lmforge@earthlink.net>
Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM
Subject: Aluminum sheet prices
Fellow Pieters:
Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my
fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only
$16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around.
Rick Schreiber
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
07:32:00
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Subject: | FW: Aluminum sheet prices |
Jack,
We have a 14 gal. fuselage tank and a C-85. We have a wing tank, but
only use it to replenish the fuselage tank, so it doesn't contribute
to the head pressure. No problems with pressure but note that the
bottom of the tank is even with the bottom of the top longerons, well
above the gascolator and carburetor. Tanks with areas lower and lower
than this will eventually get to the point that significant volumes
are unusable. Our unusable volume is less than half a gallon at least
a 15 degree up angle. The bottom of the tank is flat.
HTH,
Jeff
>Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out
>there with a nose tank and larger engine? I'm planning an 85, 90 or
>0200 and concerned that I will have enough fuel pressure for the
>higher horsepower.
>Thanks,
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Subject: | FW: Aluminum sheet prices |
I have been changing my mind for the past few years between a Corvair, an A65 and
an A75 Continental. I can get either of the Continentals at a good price. I
currently have a good Corvair core and can get another one in good shape for
free. The AP/IA that does my annuals on my TriPacer used to be a manager for a
major engine repair station. His opinion was the A65 was a good engine, but as
the horsepower increased the reliability decreased. His opinion was to go with
the Corvair, with the minimum modifications. This is the route I am going to
take.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
Sent: 12/9/2009 6:56:42 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out there with a
nose tank and larger engine? Im planning an 85, 90 or 0200 and concerned that
I will have enough fuel pressure for the higher horsepower.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM, 16 snow, 8 foot driftsgood day for working on the Piet.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
Jeff:
I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a nose tank
ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of around 19
gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to what was done
on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as necessary. The welding
will all be TIG, done by a retired professional welder. Again those prices at
onlinemetals are really good, much better than from aviation sources. I have
one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" that is still much cheaper than any
place else.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
Rick,
Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank? Will
it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges?
Thanks,
Jeff
Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM
Subject: Aluminum sheet prices
Fellow Pieters:
Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel
tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their
prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around.
Rick Schreiber
www.aeroelectric.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
12/09/09 07:32:00
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Subject: | Aluminum prices.... |
Hey Richard,
I bought some .050 from them also but didn't pay $16 for the 24X48 (but would LIKE
to!)...
Where on the onlinemetals.com site did you find it for $16?
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM
Subject: Aluminum sheet prices
Fellow Pieters:
Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my
fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16.
Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | FW: Aluminum sheet prices |
My design is such that at a 15 degree climb angle, the tank sump will still be
supplied with fuel. The sump is at the forward end of the tank and the tank slopes
at a considerable angle towards the firewall, The full 19 gallons will not
be useable, but 19 gallons will probably exceed my butt capacity,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: 12/9/2009 7:13:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
Jack,
We have a 14 gal. fuselage tank and a C-85. We have a wing tank, but only use it
to replenish the fuselage tank, so it doesn't contribute to the head pressure.
No problems with pressure but note that the bottom of the tank is even with
the bottom of the top longerons, well above the gascolator and carburetor. Tanks
with areas lower and lower than this will eventually get to the point that
significant volumes are unusable. Our unusable volume is less than half a gallon
at least a 15 degree up angle. The bottom of the tank is flat.
HTH,
Jeff
Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out there with a
nose tank and larger engine? I'm planning an 85, 90 or 0200 and concerned that
I will have enough fuel pressure for the higher horsepower.
Thanks,
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Jack,
Kurt Shipman has a fuselage tank with his WW based Corvair engine. He shoul
d
be in the neighborhood of 100hp (or O-200 equivalent), and his setup works
fine. He has said his tank holds about 18 gallons. You can see the bottom
portion of his tank in this shot of the front cockpit:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kurt%20Shipman/P1010100.JPG
<http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kurt%20Shipman/P1010100.JPG>Ryan
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out there
> with a nose tank and larger engine? I=92m planning an 85, 90 or 0200 and
> concerned that I will have enough fuel pressure for the higher horsepower
.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> DSM, 16=94 snow, 8 foot drifts=85good day for working on the Piet.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Schreiber
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:06 PM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
>
>
> Jeff:
>
> I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a no
se
> tank ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of
> around 19 gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to
> what was done on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as
> necessary. The welding will all be TIG, done by a retired professional
> welder. Again those prices at onlinemetals are really good, much better t
han
> from aviation sources. I have one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60"
> that is still much cheaper than any place else.
>
>
> Rick Schreiber
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>
> *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices
>
>
> Rick,
>
>
> Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank
?
> Will it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This
> is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with fo
r
> years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp.
>
>
> Rick S
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
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> *To:* pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
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> *Sent:* 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM
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> *Subject:* Aluminum sheet prices
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> Fellow Pieters:
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> Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for
> my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was o
nly
> $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around.
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> Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | ARMY aviators, and Corvairs |
What is it with Army aviators and Piets with Corvairs?--HA HA, Mr Kevin
, that is a beutiful Piet!- The reason I ask the question is my father is
an old Nam OH-58 crew chief, UH-1 door gunner, and by God he chose a Corva
ir.- Must be some reason, helicopters are contankerous (Spelling?) and co
rvairs can be from time to time.- Maybe just because it can be done?- M
aybe it's the challange?- What ever it is it works!- My hats off to you
Kevin, keep enjoying flying the friendly skies in your Piet, and Thank you
for keeping them that way for the rest of us.
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Thank YOU,
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: winter flying with an A65 |
?Your a lumberjack and your OK.......??
Clif
"Better to die of something than to die in old age of nothing." ~
Al Sharpton
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----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
Well we fly naked up here in Canada;-)
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Subject: | Re: winter flying with an A65 |
I was out on a 4 wheeler the other day at 15 mph and got much colder in a
short time than in the Piet. If you cover the front cockpit, wear winter
boots, and dress for the weather, it's really pretty nice. I also have a 19"
high windshield so the air passes over me. 20 degrees is my low end.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65
> <lmforge@earthlink.net>
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> Good information Dick.
> As I get close to finishing my Piet I was wondering about flying in the
> North country in the wintertime. Especially with the weather we are having
> in the Midwest right now. Chicago and NW Indiana will have a high of
> around
> 10 to 12 degrees tomorrow. Those of you that fly in the winter what is
> your
> lower comfort level for temperatures? What kind of clothing do you wear? I
> realize mileage may vary, but I would just like to get a read of how
> "rough" it is flying in the winter.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> In windy and cold Valparaiso Indiana.
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>> [Original Message]
>> From: Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 12/9/2009 3:55:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65
>>
> <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>>
>> Blocking the eyebrow baffles is not a good idea. The cyl heads still
> need
>> to get air.. I was out flying over NW Wisc last Sat at 24 deg at takeoff
> .
>> All I use is a kit from Wag Aero that covers the oil tank and intake
> tubes.
>> Current price is $50.
>> We had an EAA Chapt meeting last year with a the owner of a major engine
>> rebuild shop talking about winter storage prep. His best recommendations
>> were;
>> 1. If storing the engine for the winter, change oil and start up and
> bring
>> to operating temp. Then shut down and it will be fine. Do not heat
> engine
>> or turn over prop after that.
>> 2. Before starting engine in cold temps pre heat engine. Depending on
> temp
>> you can use a trouble light with 100 watt bulb for a couple of hours or
>> electric heater, but don't cycle on and off if you aren't going to be
>> starting the engine.
>> 3. Allow plenty of running warm up time before flying and operate
> throttle
>> slowley. Rapid throttle can cause engine to stall.
>> I like to fly in winter, air is generally smooth and the aren't any bugs.
>> Also we have lots of frozen lakes that make safe landing spots when
> cruising
>> at 5 10 ft agl.
>> Dick N.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:21 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Speaking of winter flying, I was perusing Harry Fenton's page on A65's
> and
>> > he makes mention of a winterizing kit - something to do with blocking
> the
>> > eyebrow baffles. Does anyone up here in winter wonderland have an
>> > estimate of how much they block off their eyebrows? 50%? Less? More?
>> >
>> > And on a slightly related topic - how many of you religiously adhere to
>> > the TCM Service Information Letter, SIL99-1, recommendation of pickling
>> > your engines with a perservative oil? It sound like there's a special
>> > level of hell reserved for me if I don't properly protect my engine for
>> > the winter... Yes, I realize that it's "the best thing" to do, but I
> just
>> > haven't gotten out to the airport to do it, yet. :-(
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dan Yocum
>> > Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>> >
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