---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/09/09: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:32 AM - Re: Karetaker aero website link bad (ivan.todorovic) 2. 06:44 AM - Show and tell at work. (kevinpurtee) 3. 06:55 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (Jack Phillips) 4. 06:55 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (TOM STINEMETZE) 5. 07:04 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (Dan Yocum) 6. 07:35 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 7. 08:06 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (gboothe5@comcast.net) 8. 08:10 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (H RULE) 9. 08:12 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (hvandervoo@aol.com) 10. 08:33 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (Gene & Tammy) 11. 09:09 AM - Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (David Paule) 12. 09:36 AM - Re: Show and tell at work. (Dan Yocum) 13. 09:49 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (Jeff Boatright) 14. 10:12 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (H RULE) 15. 10:43 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (airlion) 16. 10:54 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (Jeff Boatright) 17. 11:17 AM - Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion (flea) 18. 11:24 AM - winter flying with an A65 (Dan Yocum) 19. 12:17 PM - Question about Aluminum Props (Bill Church) 20. 12:52 PM - Doc Mosher Email address (Allan Macklem) 21. 01:53 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Dick Navratil) 22. 02:40 PM - Re: Question about Aluminum Props (Ryan Mueller) 23. 02:43 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Richard Schreiber) 24. 02:58 PM - Question about Aluminum Props (Oscar Zuniga) 25. 02:58 PM - Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber) 26. 03:02 PM - FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber) 27. 03:32 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Jeff Boatright) 28. 03:49 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Jeff Boatright) 29. 04:08 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber) 30. 04:09 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber) 31. 04:42 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (H RULE) 32. 04:42 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Jeff Boatright) 33. 04:54 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Jeff Boatright) 34. 04:55 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Jack) 35. 05:10 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Jeff Boatright) 36. 05:11 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber) 37. 05:33 PM - Aluminum prices.... (Jim Markle) 38. 05:41 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Richard Schreiber) 39. 05:47 PM - Re: FW: Aluminum sheet prices (Ryan Mueller) 40. 05:48 PM - ARMY aviators, and Corvairs (shad bell) 41. 07:19 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Clif Dawson) 42. 08:08 PM - Re: winter flying with an A65 (Dick Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad From: "ivan.todorovic" Nice and unbiased first-hand comparison. Though, "almost no wood damage after every peace of metal is bent" after such an event is advertisement for Grega in my book, but I'm biased towards GN-1. One thing is not clear to me, Rob please clarify why you say "don't raise the wing"? Ivan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276796#276796 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. From: "kevinpurtee" I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of pics. Happy Holidays, Kevin Purtee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276813#276813 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091403_00_504.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091402_00_213.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:26 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. How cool is THAT? Way to go, Kevin! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of pics. Happy Holidays, Kevin Purtee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276813#276813 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091403_00_504.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091402_00_213.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:34 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. Nice photos Kevin. Just imagine hanging a couple of those rocket pods under your wings. NOW you can go on dawn patrol. do not archive >>> I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of pics. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:09 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. Color me jealous! Those are great shots. I attempted to blow 4" of heavy, heavy wet snow off the driveway this morning. Key word being, "attempted." Almost makes me want to live in Texas. ;-) kevinpurtee wrote: > > I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of pics. > > Happy Holidays, > Kevin Purtee > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:10 AM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. Very=2C Very Cool!! > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. > From: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil > Date: Wed=2C 9 Dec 2009 06:44:30 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > .mil> > > I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple o f pics. > > Happy Holidays=2C > Kevin Purtee > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276813#276813 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091403_00_504.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091402_00_213.jpg > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. From: gboothe5@comcast.net Nice, Kevin! Who wouldn't envy you, but you've earned it?! ------Original Message------ From: kevinpurtee Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. Sent: Dec 9, 2009 6:44 AM I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of pics. Happy Holidays, Kevin Purtee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276813#276813 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091403_00_504.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091402_00_213.jpg Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:16 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. Wow what a beautiful Piet and you get to fly to work every day.I'm sure thi s would be everyones dream come true.I know it would have been for me.I thi nk that Piet is even prettier than that chopper.Nice work man!I have saved both those pics.You have one of the nicest Piets I've seen since getting on this web page.Thanks for the pics.Just fabulous!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________ _____________________=0AFrom: kevinpurtee =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 9, 2009 9:44:30 AM=0ASub ject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work.=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List messag e posted by: "kevinpurtee" =0A=0AI flew NX899KP t o work.- Everyone really enjoyed it.- Here are a couple of pics.- =0A =0AHappy Holidays,=0AKevin Purtee=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here :=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276813#276813=0A=0A=0A =0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091403_00_5 04.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091402_00_213.jpg=0A=0A=0A ================= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. From: hvandervoo@aol.com Nice, do you ever bring work home? Happy landings, Hans -----Original Message----- From: kevinpurtee Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 8:44 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. mil> I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of pics. appy Holidays, evin Purtee ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276813#276813 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091403_00_504.jpg ttp://forums.matronics.com//files/1112091402_00_213.jpg -======================== ======================== =========== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Kevin, I second the "Color me jealous". Dan, nobody hates snow that much! Gene in windy & rainy Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. > > Color me jealous! Those are great shots. > > I attempted to blow 4" of heavy, heavy wet snow off the driveway this > morning. Key word being, "attempted." > > Almost makes me want to live in Texas. > > ;-) > > > kevinpurtee wrote: >> >> >> I flew NX899KP to work. Everyone really enjoyed it. Here are a couple >> of pics. >> >> Happy Holidays, >> Kevin Purtee >> > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > do not archive > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:32:00 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:57 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4hTEJbGkTI&feature=related Look at those wings! David Paule ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:34 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Show and tell at work. Gene & Tammy wrote: > > > Kevin, I second the "Color me jealous". > Dan, nobody hates snow that much! > Gene in windy & rainy Tennessee Oh, it's not the hate of snow, but the love of low and slow flying that would draw me to warmer climes. I'm from the Upper Midwest - I actually like snow. Heck, when I was a kid in Minnesota, it pained me greatly when we had to put the dog sleds away on the first day of June. ;-) The weather for this weekend looks like it'll break the freezing mark and the winds will be low (albeit directly across the narrow paved portion of the runway). Methinks it's time to break out the torpedo heater and go flying. Dan do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:19 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion Is that owl using the FC10 or the Riblett 613?? Sorry...had to be asked.... > >Look at those wings! > >David Paule -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:27 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion Don't go there.LOL!!!This could be another one of those milk bottle things! =0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Je ff Boatright =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:48:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: ight =0A=0AIs that owl using the FC10 or the Riblett 613 ??=0A=0A=0ASorry...had to be asked....=0A=0A>=0A>Look at those wings!=0A> =0A>David Paule=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0AJeff Boatright=0A"Now let's think about th - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========================0A ==================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:23 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion how can you look at those wings when all you can se are those talons coming at you. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:48:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion Is that owl using the FC10 or the Riblett 613?? Sorry...had to be asked.... > >Look at those wings! > >David Paule -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:12 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion Agreed, the owl gear is a distinct improvement over the GN-1 landing gear. And man, talk about short landings. Owl gear really lets you stick it on the numbers! Of course, there will be blood... Ya know, I need to go flying...or get a life! =-O > >how can you look at those wings when all you can se are those talons >coming at you. Gardiner > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Jeff Boatright >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:48:42 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion > > >Is that owl using the FC10 or the Riblett 613?? > > >Sorry...had to be asked.... > >> >>Look at those wings! >> > >David Paule -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Semi-OT: An Owl in Slow Motion From: "flea" jboatri(at)emory.edu wrote: > ...Ya know, I need to go flying...or get a life! =-O Or an owl Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276864#276864 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:30 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 Speaking of winter flying, I was perusing Harry Fenton's page on A65's and he makes mention of a winterizing kit - something to do with blocking the eyebrow baffles. Does anyone up here in winter wonderland have an estimate of how much they block off their eyebrows? 50%? Less? More? And on a slightly related topic - how many of you religiously adhere to the TCM Service Information Letter, SIL99-1, recommendation of pickling your engines with a perservative oil? It sound like there's a special level of hell reserved for me if I don't properly protect my engine for the winter... Yes, I realize that it's "the best thing" to do, but I just haven't gotten out to the airport to do it, yet. :-( Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question about Aluminum Props From: "Bill Church" Hi All, I recently made an 1800-mile weekend roadtrip down to Georgia and back to pick up the engine that will eventually be sitting on the nose of my Piet. 15 hours there, and 15 hours back home, Saturday morning to Sunday night! Anyway, the engine is a C-75-12 that came directly off an Ercoupe (well, off the plane, then into a hangar for 10 years or so, then into my van), and the aluminum propeller was still attached. The propeller was included in the sale. I was looking at the propeller last night, and was wondering about some of the markings around the hub. Most of it is clear to me. Made by McCauley, 73" diameter, 51" pitch, Serial number, etc. I've attached a photo. Stamped faintly into the face ( just below MET-L-PROP, but hard to see in the photo) is the word "reconditioned". And, at roughly the 2 O'clock position there are two more numbers stamped into the face, TC842, and PC3 (hours and pitch change, maybe?). Anyone know what the significance of those two numbers are? I'm wondering if the prop has been re-pitched (something I would likely want to do to use it on my Piet, anyway - 51" sounds like too much pitch for a Piet, I think). There was a timely article in the last issue (I think) of Sport Aviation, about propeller maintenance, and it indicated that metal props can be re-pitched a total of 8". Any ideas? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276872#276872 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_data_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:29 PM PST US From: "Allan Macklem" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doc Mosher Email address =======AVGMAIL-4DCA62B8=======-- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:30 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 Blocking the eyebrow baffles is not a good idea. The cyl heads still need to get air.. I was out flying over NW Wisc last Sat at 24 deg at takeoff . All I use is a kit from Wag Aero that covers the oil tank and intake tubes. Current price is $50. We had an EAA Chapt meeting last year with a the owner of a major engine rebuild shop talking about winter storage prep. His best recommendations were; 1. If storing the engine for the winter, change oil and start up and bring to operating temp. Then shut down and it will be fine. Do not heat engine or turn over prop after that. 2. Before starting engine in cold temps pre heat engine. Depending on temp you can use a trouble light with 100 watt bulb for a couple of hours or electric heater, but don't cycle on and off if you aren't going to be starting the engine. 3. Allow plenty of running warm up time before flying and operate throttle slowley. Rapid throttle can cause engine to stall. I like to fly in winter, air is generally smooth and the aren't any bugs. Also we have lots of frozen lakes that make safe landing spots when cruising at 5 10 ft agl. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 > > Speaking of winter flying, I was perusing Harry Fenton's page on A65's and > he makes mention of a winterizing kit - something to do with blocking the > eyebrow baffles. Does anyone up here in winter wonderland have an > estimate of how much they block off their eyebrows? 50%? Less? More? > > And on a slightly related topic - how many of you religiously adhere to > the TCM Service Information Letter, SIL99-1, recommendation of pickling > your engines with a perservative oil? It sound like there's a special > level of hell reserved for me if I don't properly protect my engine for > the winter... Yes, I realize that it's "the best thing" to do, but I just > haven't gotten out to the airport to do it, yet. :-( > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question about Aluminum Props From: Ryan Mueller Bill, TC842 should refer to the Type Certificate Data Sheet number that the propeller was certified under. You can find the TCDS registry if you google "faa tcds". I'll email you a copy....in it they list all the various models of props that fall under that type cert, specs, model number breakdown and explanation, etc. That should answer some of your questions. A quick skimming of the TCDS didn't reveal any mention of PC3...maybe someone else has that info. I'd look a bit more into it, but I have to get ready to leave work. Good luck! Ryan On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Hi All, > > I recently made an 1800-mile weekend roadtrip down to Georgia and back to > pick up the engine that will eventually be sitting on the nose of my Piet. > 15 hours there, and 15 hours back home, Saturday morning to Sunday night! > Anyway, the engine is a C-75-12 that came directly off an Ercoupe (well, > off the plane, then into a hangar for 10 years or so, then into my van), and > the aluminum propeller was still attached. The propeller was included in the > sale. > I was looking at the propeller last night, and was wondering about some of > the markings around the hub. Most of it is clear to me. Made by McCauley, > 73" diameter, 51" pitch, Serial number, etc. I've attached a photo. Stamped > faintly into the face ( just below MET-L-PROP, but hard to see in the photo) > is the word "reconditioned". And, at roughly the 2 O'clock position there > are two more numbers stamped into the face, TC842, and PC3 (hours and pitch > change, maybe?). Anyone know what the significance of those two numbers are? > I'm wondering if the prop has been re-pitched (something I would likely want > to do to use it on my Piet, anyway - 51" sounds like too much pitch for a > Piet, I think). There was a timely article in the last issue (I think) of > Sport Aviation, about propeller maintenance, and it indicated that metal > props can be re-pitched a total of 8". > Any ideas? > > Bill C. > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:38 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 Good information Dick. As I get close to finishing my Piet I was wondering about flying in the North country in the wintertime. Especially with the weather we are having in the Midwest right now. Chicago and NW Indiana will have a high of around 10 to 12 degrees tomorrow. Those of you that fly in the winter what is your lower comfort level for temperatures? What kind of clothing do you wear? I realize mileage may vary, but I would just like to get a read of how "rough" it is flying in the winter. Rick Schreiber In windy and cold Valparaiso Indiana. > [Original Message] > From: Dick Navratil > To: > Date: 12/9/2009 3:55:15 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 > > > Blocking the eyebrow baffles is not a good idea. The cyl heads still need > to get air.. I was out flying over NW Wisc last Sat at 24 deg at takeoff . > All I use is a kit from Wag Aero that covers the oil tank and intake tubes. > Current price is $50. > We had an EAA Chapt meeting last year with a the owner of a major engine > rebuild shop talking about winter storage prep. His best recommendations > were; > 1. If storing the engine for the winter, change oil and start up and bring > to operating temp. Then shut down and it will be fine. Do not heat engine > or turn over prop after that. > 2. Before starting engine in cold temps pre heat engine. Depending on temp > you can use a trouble light with 100 watt bulb for a couple of hours or > electric heater, but don't cycle on and off if you aren't going to be > starting the engine. > 3. Allow plenty of running warm up time before flying and operate throttle > slowley. Rapid throttle can cause engine to stall. > I like to fly in winter, air is generally smooth and the aren't any bugs. > Also we have lots of frozen lakes that make safe landing spots when cruising > at 5 10 ft agl. > Dick N. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Yocum" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:21 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 > > > > > > Speaking of winter flying, I was perusing Harry Fenton's page on A65's and > > he makes mention of a winterizing kit - something to do with blocking the > > eyebrow baffles. Does anyone up here in winter wonderland have an > > estimate of how much they block off their eyebrows? 50%? Less? More? > > > > And on a slightly related topic - how many of you religiously adhere to > > the TCM Service Information Letter, SIL99-1, recommendation of pickling > > your engines with a perservative oil? It sound like there's a special > > level of hell reserved for me if I don't properly protect my engine for > > the winter... Yes, I realize that it's "the best thing" to do, but I just > > haven't gotten out to the airport to do it, yet. :-( > > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > -- > > Dan Yocum > > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:04 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question about Aluminum Props Original test flights on 41CC were done with a metal prop (see top couple of pix at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html ) As far as I know, performance was not the issue, but weight & balance with about 20 lbs. less weight on the nose can be quite a change. Somewhere along the line during test flights, the metal prop was replaced with a Flottorp 74x50, then later that was replaced with the Hegy 72x42. Perhaps Corky can comment on the prop changes but the test flight notes don't indicate any deficiencies in performance with the earlier props. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:04 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum sheet prices Fellow Pieters: Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around. Rick Schreiber ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:26 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM Subject: Aluminum sheet prices Fellow Pieters: Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around. Rick Schreiber ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:14 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Rick, Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank? Will it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges? Thanks, Jeff >Forgot to include the company... its >http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is >the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with >for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp. > >Rick S > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Richard Schreiber >To: pietenpol-list >Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM >Subject: Aluminum sheet prices > >Fellow Pieters: >Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet >for my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" >sheet was only $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be >the best around. > > >Rick Schreiber > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:41 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 Now that we have the engine taken care of, what do you guys were when flying in the winter? I generally get away with insulated Dickey overalls and a balaclava under my summer-weight helmet. On really cold days I add light thermal underwear and a size XL windbreaker that fits over everything. -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:19 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Jeff: I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a nose tank ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of around 19 gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to what was done on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as necessary. The welding will all be TIG, done by a retired professional welder. Again those prices at onlinemetals are really good, much better than from aviation sources. I have one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" that is still much cheaper than any place else. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Rick, Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank? Will it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges? Thanks, Jeff Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM Subject: Aluminum sheet prices Fellow Pieters: Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around. Rick Schreiber ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:03 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Jeff: I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a nose tank ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of around 19 gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to what was done on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as necessary. The welding will all be TIG, done by a retired professional welder. Again those prices at onlinemetals are really good, much better than from aviation sources. I have one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" that is still much cheaper than any place else. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Rick, Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank? Will it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges? Thanks, Jeff Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM Subject: Aluminum sheet prices Fellow Pieters: Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around. Rick Schreiber ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:24 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 Well we fly naked up here in Canada;-)=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: Jeff Boatright =0ATo : pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 9, 2009 6:48:50 PM=0AS ubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-Li st message posted by: Jeff Boatright =0A=0ANow that we h ave the engine taken care of, what do you guys were when flying in the wint er? I generally get away with insulated Dickey overalls and a balaclava und er my summer-weight helmet. On really cold days I add light thermal underwe ar and a size XL windbreaker that fits over everything.=0A-- =0AJeff Boatri =========================0A ==== ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:31 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Hey Rick, Thanks for the follow up. The price is right. 19 gallons! Zounds! Yer butt can take more Piet punishment than mine. We've been jabbering about replacing our cockpit tank for over a year. Problem is, we're having too much dang fun to "take it offline" for a switch. One of these days... Jeff >Jeff: >I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to >a nose tank ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated >capacity of around 19 gallons. Most of the welded seams will be >flanged (similar to what was done on Luscombe tanks), though some >will be butt welded as necessary. The welding will all be TIG, done >by a retired professional welder. Again those prices at onlinemetals >are really good, much better than from aviation sources. I have one >piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" that is still much cheaper >than any place else. > >Rick Schreiber -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:19 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 Ya know, I could have gone the rest of my life without reading that... >Well we fly naked up here in Canada;-) >do not archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:03 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out there with a nose tank and larger engine? I'm planning an 85, 90 or 0200 and concerned that I will have enough fuel pressure for the higher horsepower. Thanks, Jack DSM, 16" snow, 8 foot drifts.good day for working on the Piet. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Jeff: I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a nose tank ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of around 19 gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to what was done on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as necessary. The welding will all be TIG, done by a retired professional welder. Again those prices at onlinemetals are really good, much better than from aviation sources. I have one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" that is still much cheaper than any place else. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Rick, Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank? Will it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges? Thanks, Jeff Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM Subject: Aluminum sheet prices Fellow Pieters: Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around. Rick Schreiber Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:32:00 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:08 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Jack, We have a 14 gal. fuselage tank and a C-85. We have a wing tank, but only use it to replenish the fuselage tank, so it doesn't contribute to the head pressure. No problems with pressure but note that the bottom of the tank is even with the bottom of the top longerons, well above the gascolator and carburetor. Tanks with areas lower and lower than this will eventually get to the point that significant volumes are unusable. Our unusable volume is less than half a gallon at least a 15 degree up angle. The bottom of the tank is flat. HTH, Jeff >Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out >there with a nose tank and larger engine? I'm planning an 85, 90 or >0200 and concerned that I will have enough fuel pressure for the >higher horsepower. >Thanks, ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:48 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices I have been changing my mind for the past few years between a Corvair, an A65 and an A75 Continental. I can get either of the Continentals at a good price. I currently have a good Corvair core and can get another one in good shape for free. The AP/IA that does my annuals on my TriPacer used to be a manager for a major engine repair station. His opinion was the A65 was a good engine, but as the horsepower increased the reliability decreased. His opinion was to go with the Corvair, with the minimum modifications. This is the route I am going to take. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Sent: 12/9/2009 6:56:42 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out there with a nose tank and larger engine? Im planning an 85, 90 or 0200 and concerned that I will have enough fuel pressure for the higher horsepower. Thanks, Jack DSM, 16 snow, 8 foot driftsgood day for working on the Piet. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Jeff: I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a nose tank ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of around 19 gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to what was done on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as necessary. The welding will all be TIG, done by a retired professional welder. Again those prices at onlinemetals are really good, much better than from aviation sources. I have one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" that is still much cheaper than any place else. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Rick, Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank? Will it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges? Thanks, Jeff Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with for years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM Subject: Aluminum sheet prices Fellow Pieters: Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around. Rick Schreiber www.aeroelectric.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 12/09/09 07:32:00 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:12 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum prices.... Hey Richard, I bought some .050 from them also but didn't pay $16 for the 24X48 (but would LIKE to!)... Where on the onlinemetals.com site did you find it for $16? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber To: pietenpol-list Sent: 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM Subject: Aluminum sheet prices Fellow Pieters: Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was only $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around. Rick Schreiber ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:30 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices My design is such that at a 15 degree climb angle, the tank sump will still be supplied with fuel. The sump is at the forward end of the tank and the tank slopes at a considerable angle towards the firewall, The full 19 gallons will not be useable, but 19 gallons will probably exceed my butt capacity, Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: 12/9/2009 7:13:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices Jack, We have a 14 gal. fuselage tank and a C-85. We have a wing tank, but only use it to replenish the fuselage tank, so it doesn't contribute to the head pressure. No problems with pressure but note that the bottom of the tank is even with the bottom of the top longerons, well above the gascolator and carburetor. Tanks with areas lower and lower than this will eventually get to the point that significant volumes are unusable. Our unusable volume is less than half a gallon at least a 15 degree up angle. The bottom of the tank is flat. HTH, Jeff Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out there with a nose tank and larger engine? I'm planning an 85, 90 or 0200 and concerned that I will have enough fuel pressure for the higher horsepower. Thanks, ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices From: Ryan Mueller Jack, Kurt Shipman has a fuselage tank with his WW based Corvair engine. He shoul d be in the neighborhood of 100hp (or O-200 equivalent), and his setup works fine. He has said his tank holds about 18 gallons. You can see the bottom portion of his tank in this shot of the front cockpit: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kurt%20Shipman/P1010100.JPG Ryan On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Jack wrote: > Mike has good success with his nose tank and a 65. Any others out there > with a nose tank and larger engine? I=92m planning an 85, 90 or 0200 and > concerned that I will have enough fuel pressure for the higher horsepower .. > > Thanks, > > Jack > > DSM, 16=94 snow, 8 foot drifts=85good day for working on the Piet. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Schreiber > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:06 PM > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices > > > Jeff: > > I am building a welded tank. I changed from a center section tank to a no se > tank ala Mike Cuy and others. My tank will have a calculated capacity of > around 19 gallons. Most of the welded seams will be flanged (similar to > what was done on Luscombe tanks), though some will be butt welded as > necessary. The welding will all be TIG, done by a retired professional > welder. Again those prices at onlinemetals are really good, much better t han > from aviation sources. I have one piece that I ordered that is 24" x 60" > that is still much cheaper than any place else. > > > Rick Schreiber > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Jeff Boatright > > *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* 12/9/2009 5:34:41 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Aluminum sheet prices > > > Rick, > > > Thanks for the information. What are your plans for building up your tank ? > Will it be like the RVs, riveted and glued, or will you weld the edges? > > > Thanks, > > > Jeff > > > Forgot to include the company... its http://www.onlinemetals.com . This > is the online division of Copper and Brass sales (who I have delt with fo r > years) and a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp. > > > Rick S > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Richard Schreiber > > *To:* pietenpol-list > > *Sent:* 12/9/2009 4:55:37 PM > > *Subject:* Aluminum sheet prices > > > Fellow Pieters: > > Just as a point of information, I just purchased some aluminum sheet for > my fuel tank. I am using 5052 alloy - .050" thick. A 24 x 48" sheet was o nly > $16. Their prices and the shipping charges seem to be the best around. > > > Rick Schreiber > > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 12/09/09 07:32:00 > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:24 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: ARMY aviators, and Corvairs What is it with Army aviators and Piets with Corvairs?--HA HA, Mr Kevin , that is a beutiful Piet!- The reason I ask the question is my father is an old Nam OH-58 crew chief, UH-1 door gunner, and by God he chose a Corva ir.- Must be some reason, helicopters are contankerous (Spelling?) and co rvairs can be from time to time.- Maybe just because it can be done?- M aybe it's the challange?- What ever it is it works!- My hats off to you Kevin, keep enjoying flying the friendly skies in your Piet, and Thank you for keeping them that way for the rest of us. - Thank YOU, Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:46 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 ?Your a lumberjack and your OK.......?? Clif "Better to die of something than to die in old age of nothing." ~ Al Sharpton do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE Well we fly naked up here in Canada;-) do not archive ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:17 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 I was out on a 4 wheeler the other day at 15 mph and got much colder in a short time than in the Piet. If you cover the front cockpit, wear winter boots, and dress for the weather, it's really pretty nice. I also have a 19" high windshield so the air passes over me. 20 degrees is my low end. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Schreiber" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 > > > Good information Dick. > As I get close to finishing my Piet I was wondering about flying in the > North country in the wintertime. Especially with the weather we are having > in the Midwest right now. Chicago and NW Indiana will have a high of > around > 10 to 12 degrees tomorrow. Those of you that fly in the winter what is > your > lower comfort level for temperatures? What kind of clothing do you wear? I > realize mileage may vary, but I would just like to get a read of how > "rough" it is flying in the winter. > > Rick Schreiber > In windy and cold Valparaiso Indiana. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Dick Navratil >> To: >> Date: 12/9/2009 3:55:15 PM >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 >> > >> >> Blocking the eyebrow baffles is not a good idea. The cyl heads still > need >> to get air.. I was out flying over NW Wisc last Sat at 24 deg at takeoff > . >> All I use is a kit from Wag Aero that covers the oil tank and intake > tubes. >> Current price is $50. >> We had an EAA Chapt meeting last year with a the owner of a major engine >> rebuild shop talking about winter storage prep. His best recommendations >> were; >> 1. If storing the engine for the winter, change oil and start up and > bring >> to operating temp. Then shut down and it will be fine. Do not heat > engine >> or turn over prop after that. >> 2. Before starting engine in cold temps pre heat engine. Depending on > temp >> you can use a trouble light with 100 watt bulb for a couple of hours or >> electric heater, but don't cycle on and off if you aren't going to be >> starting the engine. >> 3. Allow plenty of running warm up time before flying and operate > throttle >> slowley. Rapid throttle can cause engine to stall. >> I like to fly in winter, air is generally smooth and the aren't any bugs. >> Also we have lots of frozen lakes that make safe landing spots when > cruising >> at 5 10 ft agl. >> Dick N. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dan Yocum" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:21 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: winter flying with an A65 >> >> >> > >> > Speaking of winter flying, I was perusing Harry Fenton's page on A65's > and >> > he makes mention of a winterizing kit - something to do with blocking > the >> > eyebrow baffles. Does anyone up here in winter wonderland have an >> > estimate of how much they block off their eyebrows? 50%? Less? More? >> > >> > And on a slightly related topic - how many of you religiously adhere to >> > the TCM Service Information Letter, SIL99-1, recommendation of pickling >> > your engines with a perservative oil? It sound like there's a special >> > level of hell reserved for me if I don't properly protect my engine for >> > the winter... Yes, I realize that it's "the best thing" to do, but I > just >> > haven't gotten out to the airport to do it, yet. :-( >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Dan >> > >> > -- >> > Dan Yocum >> > Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.