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1. 05:46 AM - Lost My First Passenger too.. (Ben Charvet)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: Corvair Crankshaft (Gary Boothe)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: Corvair Crankshaft (dwilson)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: Corvair Crankshaft (K5YAC)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Corvair Crankshaft (Ryan Mueller)
6. 08:43 AM - Re: Lost My First Passenger too.. (Tim Willis)
7. 08:54 AM - Re: Lost My First Passenger too.. (mike)
8. 09:00 AM - Re: Corvair Crankshaft (K5YAC)
9. 09:05 AM - Re: Corvair Crankshaft (K5YAC)
10. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Crankshaft (Gary Boothe)
11. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Crankshaft (Ryan Mueller)
12. 09:50 AM - Re: Corvair Crankshaft (K5YAC)
13. 09:59 AM - Prop Making (Gary Boothe)
14. 10:18 AM - Re: Prop Making (K5YAC)
15. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Crankshaft (Ryan Mueller)
16. 11:48 AM - Re: Corvair Crankshaft (K5YAC)
17. 11:49 AM - Re: Prop Making (Jim)
18. 01:10 PM - Re: Prop Making (Gary Boothe)
19. 01:28 PM - Re: Prop Making (helspersew@aol.com)
20. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Crankshaft (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Lost My First Passenger too.. |
My dad had a passion for aviation all his life, but never got the chance
to get his pilot's license. First his mother, then my mother put a stop
to it. We would go to Sun-N-Fun most years, and flew lots of model
airplanes well into my adulthood. We also spent a lot of time restoring
cars, and I would buy old cars to restore, just so we would have
something to do together. He was diagnosed with cancer in mid 2004. I
had always wanted to build and fly my own airplane. I already had a
Private ticket but hadn't flown in over 15 years. That is when I
decided to start on my Pietenpol. Using mostly borrowed tools I started
cutting wood in Nov 2004. Attached is a picture of dad standing in
front a mock-up fuselage soon after I started. As his condition
deteriorated in early 2005 I was making wing ribs. Having a diversion
from all the emotions of that time was a godsend. I dated each rib as I
made them, and years later as I was assembling the wings all those
memories came flooding back..
Dad passed on Good Friday, March 25 2005 at home surrounded by family.
Mom was quite nervous about me building and flying my own airplane (and
riding motorcycles, etc, etc,) but dad told her before he died that she
didn't need to worry about it because she wouldn't live to see it.
Well, I expect to fly it in Jan or Feb next year and she is still with
us. She even says she wants a ride on my motorcycle! Who knows, maybe
I'll even get her into the front seat.
Life is a journey, guys, so enjoy it while you can.
Ben Charvet
Mims Fl
Airframe done, waiting for parts for the A-65
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| Subject: | Corvair Crankshaft |
Mark,
Now you're starting the fun part of the engine!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Crankshaft
Just a short note to say that I got my crankshaft back from Moldex
Crankshaft in Michigan today. What a Beeeauty!! I know this may not be
forum worthy, but I am excited to get my first converted engine part in my
hands. The heart of my power plant. It is nice and clean and shiny...
nitride coated, perfect radius on the journals and mirror smooth polishing
work. This looks like a totally different crank from the one I sent in, but
I know it is the same... I dig it. 8)
Old crusty, nasty, broken crank on the bottom. Nice, clean, fresh and
polished crank on the top.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
Question. Did they remove the crankgear prior to nitriding? Are you pressing
on a new gear or using the original?
Dan Wilson
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
The gear was removed when I acquired this crankshaft. I have the original parts,
which I plan to reuse (I think). They will be pressed back on with a hydraulic
press and held in place with the safety shaft.
The reason I say "I think" is because I can't remember if reusing the cam drive
gear is recommended. I know that I will need to use a new one on the actual
cam shaft, but it may be acceptable to use the original on the crankshaft. Can't
remember right now. As for the flange (the part right in front of the cam
drive gear), yes, I will be reusing that for sure. All of these will be pressed
back on and secured with a WW safety shaft and prop hub assembly.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
Just out of curiosity....why did you remove the crank gear?
Ryan
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:05 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Just a short note to say that I got my crankshaft back from Moldex
> Crankshaft in Michigan today. What a Beeeauty!! I know this may not be
> forum worthy, but I am excited to get my first converted engine part in my
> hands. The heart of my power plant. It is nice and clean and shiny...
> nitride coated, perfect radius on the journals and mirror smooth polishing
> work. This looks like a totally different crank from the one I sent in, but
> I know it is the same... I dig it. 8)
>
> Old crusty, nasty, broken crank on the bottom. Nice, clean, fresh and
> polished crank on the top.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277280#277280
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lost My First Passenger too.. |
Ben, thanks for sharing your story.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 12, 2009 7:45 AM
>To: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lost My First Passenger too..
>
>My dad had a passion for aviation all his life, but never got the chance
>to get his pilot's license. First his mother, then my mother put a stop
>to it. We would go to Sun-N-Fun most years, and flew lots of model
>airplanes well into my adulthood. We also spent a lot of time restoring
>cars, and I would buy old cars to restore, just so we would have
>something to do together. He was diagnosed with cancer in mid 2004. I
>had always wanted to build and fly my own airplane. I already had a
>Private ticket but hadn't flown in over 15 years. That is when I
>decided to start on my Pietenpol. Using mostly borrowed tools I started
>cutting wood in Nov 2004. Attached is a picture of dad standing in
>front a mock-up fuselage soon after I started. As his condition
>deteriorated in early 2005 I was making wing ribs. Having a diversion
>from all the emotions of that time was a godsend. I dated each rib as I
>made them, and years later as I was assembling the wings all those
>memories came flooding back..
>
>Dad passed on Good Friday, March 25 2005 at home surrounded by family.
>Mom was quite nervous about me building and flying my own airplane (and
>riding motorcycles, etc, etc,) but dad told her before he died that she
>didn't need to worry about it because she wouldn't live to see it.
>Well, I expect to fly it in Jan or Feb next year and she is still with
>us. She even says she wants a ride on my motorcycle! Who knows, maybe
>I'll even get her into the front seat.
>
>Life is a journey, guys, so enjoy it while you can.
>
>Ben Charvet
>Mims Fl
>Airframe done, waiting for parts for the A-65
>
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| Subject: | Lost My First Passenger too.. |
Unlike the dads talked about by some here, my dad hated to fly. But he knew
I loved it.
He got a friend to give me my first ride in a J-3 on my 8th birthday, but
did not go up himself. He helped finance my first airplane, a 7AC, but only
flew in it once, and he listened to my flying stories for years, always
asking for more.
After he left military service, Dad never flew unless I was the PIC. It
wasn't because he thought I was particularly good; it was because he would
rather have white knuckles and short breath than have me to think he didn't
have faith in me.
I guess dads do that sort of thing.
Mike Hardaway
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
I didn't remove the gear... it was removed before I received it. One of the local
EAA members had this as a spare. He already had it magnafluxed and threaded
for a safety shaft, but it needed the rest of the WW treatment. I'm not sure
why he took it off, but I have it and the flange.
This generous fellow also gave me a spare set of good heads, case, distributor,
safety shaft set, hybrid stud set, connecting rod set, accessory housing, OT-10
camshaft, Marvel Schebler MA-3A carb and a few other "nice to have" items...
so I'm not complaining. :D
I don't think I'll have any problem finding an appropriate press around here...
do you foresee any difficulty I might have in reinstalling these items? I know
WW states that the fit is a bit less strong than the original fit, but that
is the whole idea behind the safety shaft anyway, right?
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
You know, now that I take another look at things... I kept talking about the cam
gear and flange as two different pieces, but it is actually one. Also, it turns
out that I don't have the original gear... I will need to pull the gear off
my old crank and put it on the new one.
Any problems with doing that?
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
Mark,
It might be best to post that to the Corvair List.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Crankshaft
You know, now that I take another look at things... I kept talking about the
cam gear and flange as two different pieces, but it is actually one. Also,
it turns out that I don't have the original gear... I will need to pull the
gear off my old crank and put it on the new one.
Any problems with doing that?
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
As long as the gear on the junk crank is serviceable, then you should be
able to press it off and reuse it. There are a few caveats with the process
to be aware off. Here's an excerpt from a post William made to the
Corvaircraft list in Jan '08 that addresses the pressing on/off operation:
---------------------
The crank flange should never be removed for nitriding. All the flying
cranks had the flanges nitrided in place. Although many, many years ago I
discussed this in the Conversion Manual, I have continuously told people not
to do it in the past 8 years. The cranks don't break under the gear nor
beside it. Before recommending Nitriding we ran test cranks to verify that
the factory tiny paper gasket did not interfere with the process.
Removing the gear is not too hard if you are willing to make soft aluminum
jaws that form a split ring around the gear. If you don't, it is very easy
to ding the gear teeth or bend the flange. Many years ago Gus spent a day on
the lathe and made a set of these for us. At Corvair Colleges, many people
have seen me do this in the same 20 ton press I have had for 12 years. The
problem is if you take this to a shop, they are almost always going to try
to grab the flange by two blocks and will usually bend it, and then the prop
hub will not sit flat on it. If someone has done this you need a new $100
flange.
Then the other half of the equation. Between Kevin and I we have replaced
more than 100 crank gears. We have a very specifically ground, heat treated
steel block which fits in the first throw of the crank so that it doesn't
feel any bending load. The bar is unusual because it needs to be .870"
thick. We heat the gear for an hour and then check it with a digital temp
gun. At the right moment, it is put in place and lightly pressed on in the 5
second time window. Make the gear hot enough to drop on and you have hurt
the heat treatment. Too cool and it will gall on the way down. If it sounds
easy, I am pretty sure we have ruined 6 or 8 cranks in spite of having all
the tools and plenty of experience. 601 builder and nice guy Doug Eatman
brought me a perfectly ground crank and a new gear to press on it. It galled
half way down. I gave him another crank worth a few hundred dollars. It
would have been very easy to keep pressing the gear down and he never would
have known. It probably never would have come off. But probably isn't good
enough on planes. If this was at a local machine shop who thought this was
going in some old rusty Corvair, do you think they would press the gear on
or tell you they owed you $400? It may seem that no one would be dumb enough
to try it, if anyone tried to press the gear on the crank by end loading it
down the length of the shaft, it would produce cracking exactly where we
have seen it in flight engines. This is another reason why the crank needs
to be Magnafluxed after the gear is in place.
---------------------
Removing and reinstalling the crank gear reduces the 'holding strength' of
the fit between the gear and crank significantly, but as long as you use a
safety shaft it should not be a concern.
Ryan
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:05 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> You know, now that I take another look at things... I kept talking about
> the cam gear and flange as two different pieces, but it is actually one.
> Also, it turns out that I don't have the original gear... I will need to
> pull the gear off my old crank and put it on the new one.
>
> Any problems with doing that?
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277316#277316
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
Great, I'm taking the difficult path yet again. Ha ha!
Oh well, I'm glad that you brought this to my attention. I know that WW is in
favor of people doing things themselves (and I am too), but given the somewhat
technical process and the fact that they are set up to do this, I wonder if he
would be willing to perform this task? I guess I could shoot him a note and
ask.
While I do have access to a press, I'm not sure that I could get the gear heated
properly and in place the way he describes without screwing something up. In
addition to that, magnafluxing again after the install? I don't trust anyone
local to do that properly. I suppose it could go back to Moldex. This is going
to be one high dollar crankshaft once I get done with it.
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Temps in N. Calif. took a turn for the worse are sitting at a very chilly 48
deg! So I moved the Propeller Shop indoors.
Dan Helsper and PF Beck say that this will someday be a prop! I think I'm on
the right track because the glue mess looks a lot like pictures I have seen
of similar processes! Wood is Hickory.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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Cool... can't wait to see how it turns out.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
Mark,
As Gary mentioned, a post to the Corvaircraft list couldn't hurt. A short
email or phone call to William would be an excellent idea.
As far as magnafluxing near you, I'm sure you could find an aircraft engine
shop that would be able to do the work. For example, Aircraft Specialties
Services is located on the west side of Tulsa International; on their
website (all the way at the bottom) they list magnafluxing a crank for $55.
They look to be about a 15 minute drive from Owasso. They do plenty of
aircraft cranks; I'm sure they can be trusted with a Corvair crank.
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Great, I'm taking the difficult path yet again. Ha ha!
>
> Oh well, I'm glad that you brought this to my attention. I know that WW is
> in favor of people doing things themselves (and I am too), but given the
> somewhat technical process and the fact that they are set up to do this, I
> wonder if he would be willing to perform this task? I guess I could shoot
> him a note and ask.
>
> While I do have access to a press, I'm not sure that I could get the gear
> heated properly and in place the way he describes without screwing something
> up. In addition to that, magnafluxing again after the install? I don't
> trust anyone local to do that properly. I suppose it could go back to
> Moldex. This is going to be one high dollar crankshaft once I get done with
> it.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277324#277324
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
True, Aircraft Specialties is about a block from where I work, as is Rick Romans
and other very reputable shops. Problem is, they won't touch any experimental
cranks, cams, connecting rods, etc. as far as I know. Perhaps one of them
may mag it... I'll need to call to find out. Aircraft Specialties used to grind
experimental cranks and such, but they no longer service any uncertified parts.
Part of my skepticism stems from a local (reputable) machine shop that referred
me to a "hot rod" shop with a magnaflux machine. He was supposed to be good.
I described the sort of application to the hot rod guy, and also how critical
it was that I end up with the best part I possibly can. He slapped it on his
magnaflux machine for about 45 seconds and deemed it good. What did I know,
I'm not a machinist or magnaflux expert, but after talking to Joe at Moldex,
he told me that there was no way that guy could have checked it thoroughly in
that amount of time. I didn't tell him of this story until after they (Moldex)
had discovered a crack that the hot rod guy had missed. I suppose that it's
possible for anyone to make a mistake, but needless to say, I am leery about
letting the local shops (non aviation) slap my engine together.
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Gary you are amazing. You get more done in a week I think than I do in a month
and I work on my Piet a little almost every day. Fantastic to see you are making
your own prop. Are you following any specific prop making instructions, and
where did you get them? So far the glue blanks look just the pictures I have
seen of prop making also; so looking good.
So I don't forget Arlene and I wish you and yours wife a wonderful Christmas and
New Year.
Cheers,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Dec 12, 2009, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Temps in N. Calif. took a turn for the worse are sitting at a very chilly 48 deg!
So I moved the Propeller Shop indoors.
Dan Helsper and PF Beck say that this will someday be a prop! I think Im on the
right track because the glue mess looks a lot like pictures I have seen of similar
processes! Wood is Hickory.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done,Fuselageon gear
(16 ribs down)
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Jim,
I purchased Dan Helsper's prop carving instructions, and also got PF Beck's
great advice, too. Both are valuable, and I am taking from each what I can
understand. I'm not sure I have the guts to lay a chainsaw on my prop, but I
have my Dad's drawknife and his spoke shave, that he used to build his log
house...I'll think of him with every stroke!
Merry Christmas,
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Making
Gary you are amazing. You get more done in a week I think than I do in a
month and I work on my Piet a little almost every day. Fantastic to see you
are making your own prop. Are you following any specific prop making
instructions, and where did you get them? So far the glue blanks look just
the pictures I have seen of prop making also; so looking good.
So I don't forget Arlene and I wish you and yours wife a wonderful Christmas
and New Year.
Cheers,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Dec 12, 2009, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Temps in N. Calif. took a turn for the worse are sitting at a very chilly 48
deg! So I moved the Propeller Shop indoors.
Dan Helsper and PF Beck say that this will someday be a prop! I think Im on
the right track because the glue mess looks a lot like pictures I have seen
of similar processes! Wood is Hickory.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done,Fuselageon gear
(16 ribs down)
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Gary,
Good luck with your prop!! Looks good so far. Please keep us all informed
with progress photos.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 11:54 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Making
Temps in N. Calif. took a turn for the worse are sitting at a very chilly
48 deg! So I moved the Propeller Shop indoors.
Dan Helsper and PF Beck say that this will someday be a prop! I think I
=99m on the right track because the glue mess looks a lot like pictures
I have seen of similar processes! Wood is Hickory.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down)
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crankshaft |
When you do call, think of it like talking to the FAA....or your battalion
commander: don't tell them any more than they need to know. :P
You could say something along the lines of "I have a Chevy crank that I
would like to have magnafluxed for an engine I am building for an off-road
application. I know that, as an aircraft engine repair facility, you perform
such inspections with a higher degree of thoroughness than most automotive
shops, so could you please magnaflux my crankshaft?". If they ask what it is
specifically, then tell them it's a Corvair....and if they press you on the
'off-road application', you can always just tell them it's for a dune buggy.
Just try to avoid saying "experimental/homebuilt aircraft".
Or just send it off to Moldex again. Either way, give William a call/email,
and see what he recommends. Maybe Mark at Falcon is setup to remove and
reinstall the crank gears....then you have another good reason for needing
to make the trip to Brodhead this summer!
Good luck,
Ryan
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> True, Aircraft Specialties is about a block from where I work, as is Rick
> Romans and other very reputable shops. Problem is, they won't touch any
> experimental cranks, cams, connecting rods, etc. as far as I know. Perhaps
> one of them may mag it... I'll need to call to find out. Aircraft
> Specialties used to grind experimental cranks and such, but they no longer
> service any uncertified parts.
>
> Part of my skepticism stems from a local (reputable) machine shop that
> referred me to a "hot rod" shop with a magnaflux machine. He was supposed
> to be good. I described the sort of application to the hot rod guy, and
> also how critical it was that I end up with the best part I possibly can.
> He slapped it on his magnaflux machine for about 45 seconds and deemed it
> good. What did I know, I'm not a machinist or magnaflux expert, but after
> talking to Joe at Moldex, he told me that there was no way that guy could
> have checked it thoroughly in that amount of time. I didn't tell him of
> this story until after they (Moldex) had discovered a crack that the hot rod
> guy had missed. I suppose that it's possible for anyone to make a mistake,
> but needless to say, I am leery about letting the local shops (non aviation)
> slap my engine together.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Your E-LSA Airworthiness Certificate may be about to expire, |
>From my EAA chapter in San Antonio
with potentially dire circumstances.
Excerpt from the EAA Oshkosh 365 web forum:
http://www.oshkosh365.org/ok365_DiscussionBoardTopic.aspx?id=1235&boardid=147&forumid=175&topicid=3176
"My original airworthiness Certificate for my E-LSA was issued in 2007
with an expiration date of January 31st, 2010. There were several
issued with that expiration date. Don't know if it was common in
E-LSA only or all experimental but if you go to FAA with a recent
annual in your aircraft log, fill out a form, they will re-issue a
airworthiness certificate that has no expiration date. If you wait
until after it expires, it can become a lengthy and perhaps costly
process, .
The regulations that allowed your aircraft to be certificated in the
ELSA category are written such that a new (or replacement)
airworthiness certificate cannot be issued after January 31st 2008.
So you can't apply for a new airworthiness certificate at all.
This makes it VERY important that you have your present airworthiness
certificate amended before it expires. Amending the certificate will
remove the allowance to use the aircraft for hire for flight training,
and will give you an unlimited expiry.
Contact your area FAA Flight Standards District Office and ask them to
amend your certificate for you. If they have questions have them call
EAA and talk to Randy Hansen or David Oord in the Government Relations
department.
Again, it is VERY important that you do not let the airworthiness
certificate expire because it cannot be replaced. The FAA cannot
amend an expired certificate, so this has to be taken care of before
January 31st 2010.
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| Subject: | How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist |
People say that is a normal flight for me! Except this guy is smoother!
http://www.franklinairshow.com/Video/Comedy%202010%20Net.WMV
Ha, Ha, I saw this same type act in the 1970s by a guy named Van White out of Shallowater,
Texas. We became friends several years ago. he described this as with
two more variations. One was a farmer who just bought a plane, the other was
a little old lady who won the raffle and would take off when the instructor
handpropped the plane.
Van said that as a result of this act he was the most grounded pilot in Texas at
one time. He would do an airshow and get grounded. Then get it cleared up and
would soon be grounded again.
Van's daddy flew a pietenpol and one hot Texas day when Van was 14 his daddy ws
having trouble clearing phone lines. His dad landed in a farmer's field and told
Van to get out and find his own way home! Van Later bought an Aeronca C2 bathtub.
He said it was so underpowered that his instructor told him he was on
his own after 3 hours of instruction.
Check him out at this link.
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/071205/lif_071205017.shtml
Yes he is a shirttail relation to the flying Franklin family.
He owned at Vtail and a clipped with T craft when I met him. By midfield he would
be climing out inverted in the Tcraft. 75+ with a cigar sticking out of his
mouth. as he flew by.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist |
Maybe off-topic but I'd love to know for sure... can anyone here confirm for
sure who did the "Flying Farmer" act in a yellow Cub at Sun N Fun about 3-4
years ago? Prior to that, I was unaware that a Cub could actually be yawed
around 180 degrees without changing direction... and then flown backwards
for several seconds before doing a sort of uphill reversal... all within 50
feet of the ground. Sounds crazy, but that's exactly what he did (at least
that's how I remember it and I don't think I'll ever forget it!)
-Mike
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:54 PM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
>
> People say that is a normal flight for me! Except this guy is smoother!
>
> http://www.franklinairshow.com/Video/Comedy%202010%20Net.WMV
>
> Ha, Ha, I saw this same type act in the 1970s by a guy named Van White out
of Shallowater, Texas. We became friends several years ago. he described
this as with two more variations. One was a farmer who just bought a plane,
the other was a little old lady who won the raffle and would take off when
the instructor handpropped the plane.
>
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