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1. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Prop Making (Richard Carden)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Re: Prop Making (Gary Boothe)
3. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Re: Prop Making (gcardinal)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist (Gene Rambo)
5. 09:57 AM - Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist (VAHOWDY@aol.com)
6. 10:54 AM - Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist (Gene Rambo)
7. 11:42 AM - Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist (ivan.todorovic)
8. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist (Jeff Boatright)
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Subject: | Re: Re: Prop Making |
Gary:
Are you making a prop for a Corvair engine? That's what I want to do,
but I've been stymied by my inability to determine the proper blade
chord; length and pitch are no problem, but I have no clue as to how
to determine the appropriate chord. If you're making a Corvair prop,
how did you determine blade chord? (For whatever reason, i don't get
the pix that others refer to and they don't show up in photo archives.
Best regards,
Dick Carden
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Subject: | Re: Re: Prop Making |
Dick,
Yes, it's for Corvair, and, Yes, you are right, little is said about the
chord. Here's my take:
The pitch lines on front and back are established by your math (mine's
66x34). As PF Beck says, "...the back of the blades are the most
important..." He advises making sheet metal angles for each station so that
the back comes out the same on both sides.
As for the chord; if you make a smooth transition from the hub to the tip,
and leave about 1/4" above and below the pitch line (especially in the
front), the chord will form itself, assuming you want it to look something
like a wing. Other writers have suggested using molding clay or 'profile
guages' to get both sides to be the same at their stations. I'm using the
profile guage suggested by Dan Helsper. His instruction book is also very
helpful.
If you really want some heavy duty reading on home-made props, check out
'How I Make Props,' by Alvin Schubert. I think I got it from the EAA
website, but it's about 11 MB. I'll email you a copy, if you want.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Carden
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Prop Making
Gary:
Are you making a prop for a Corvair engine? That's what I want to do,
but I've been stymied by my inability to determine the proper blade
chord; length and pitch are no problem, but I have no clue as to how
to determine the appropriate chord. If you're making a Corvair prop,
how did you determine blade chord? (For whatever reason, i don't get
the pix that others refer to and they don't show up in photo archives.
Best regards,
Dick Carden
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Subject: | Re: Re: Prop Making |
The Al Shubert book is also available at:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/construction.htm
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Prop Making
> Dick,
>
> Yes, it's for Corvair, and, Yes, you are right, little is said about the
> chord. Here's my take:
>
> The pitch lines on front and back are established by your math (mine's
> 66x34). As PF Beck says, "...the back of the blades are the most
> important..." He advises making sheet metal angles for each station so
> that
> the back comes out the same on both sides.
>
> As for the chord; if you make a smooth transition from the hub to the tip,
> and leave about 1/4" above and below the pitch line (especially in the
> front), the chord will form itself, assuming you want it to look something
> like a wing. Other writers have suggested using molding clay or 'profile
> guages' to get both sides to be the same at their stations. I'm using the
> profile guage suggested by Dan Helsper. His instruction book is also very
> helpful.
>
> If you really want some heavy duty reading on home-made props, check out
> 'How I Make Props,' by Alvin Schubert. I think I got it from the EAA
> website, but it's about 11 MB. I'll email you a copy, if you want.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (16 ribs down.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Carden
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:16 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Prop Making
>
> <flywrite@verizon.net>
>
> Gary:
>
> Are you making a prop for a Corvair engine? That's what I want to do,
> but I've been stymied by my inability to determine the proper blade
> chord; length and pitch are no problem, but I have no clue as to how
> to determine the appropriate chord. If you're making a Corvair prop,
> how did you determine blade chord? (For whatever reason, i don't get
> the pix that others refer to and they don't show up in photo archives.
>
> Best regards,
> Dick Carden
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist |
I don't know whether he was the one you saw, but a local pilot here in
Virginia, Charlie Kulp, has been doing the Flying Farmer routine in a J3
Cub for nearly 50 years and has done it all over the world, including
for the Queen in England. He is an inductee to all kinds of aviation
halls of Fame, and was just inducted into a national hall of fame last
week in Las Vegas (although I cannot recall or find the exact name of
the award right now).
In one part of his act, he comes over the field very slowly at a couple
of hundred feet yawing from side to side, then he stalls it and does a
one turn spin, recovers, and does a loop where the wheels touch the
ground at the bottom, then back into the air for a roll before touching
down on one wheel and rolling to a stop with the tail still in the air.
One time in the 1990's an FAA rep allegedly saw him do the routine at a
friend's party in airspace that allegedly was not "waivered airspace"
and violated him for "reckless and careless" operation. Needless to
say, he had a tough time proving that what he had done was "reckless" or
"careless" and eventually gave up.
Gene
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From: Mike Whaley<mailto:MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist
<MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com<mailto:MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>>
Maybe off-topic but I'd love to know for sure... can anyone here
confirm for
sure who did the "Flying Farmer" act in a yellow Cub at Sun N Fun
about 3-4
years ago? Prior to that, I was unaware that a Cub could actually be
yawed
around 180 degrees without changing direction... and then flown
backwards
for several seconds before doing a sort of uphill reversal... all
within 50
feet of the ground. Sounds crazy, but that's exactly what he did (at
least
that's how I remember it and I don't think I'll ever forget it!)
-Mike
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com<mailto:MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil<mailto:steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>>
To:
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:54 PM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from
beechlist
NGB"
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil<mailto:steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>>
>
>
> People say that is a normal flight for me! Except this guy is
smoother!
>
>
http://www.franklinairshow.com/Video/Comedy%202010%20Net.WMV<http://www.f
ranklinairshow.com/Video/Comedy%202010%20Net.WMV>
>
> Ha, Ha, I saw this same type act in the 1970s by a guy named Van
White out
of Shallowater, Texas. We became friends several years ago. he
described
this as with two more variations. One was a farmer who just bought a
plane,
the other was a little old lady who won the raffle and would take off
when
the instructor handpropped the plane.
>
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Subject: | Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist |
I saw the Flying Farmer do an air show in Lynchburg VA. years ago. His
show was the only one that made me scared for the pilots safety. He was so
slow, your were sure the Cub would stall. He is a very skilled pilot
indeed. The last I know of him he was based at the Flying Circus in Warrenton,
VA. I think it was three years ago, I was working close by and stopped by
the Circus. He was Driving an old van and pulling his plane. We talked for
a few min's and I told him how much he scared me. He told me how much he
loved doing what he does and that he was on the way to an air show right
then.
I don't remember his name, I have a friend who fly's Stearman's at the
circus, I know he would know.
Howdy
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Subject: | Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist |
I fly my Travel Air in the Circus (or used to, not lately) and Charlie
Kulp, the guy in my last post, is who you are referring to.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: VAHOWDY@aol.com<mailto:VAHOWDY@aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist
I saw the Flying Farmer do an air show in Lynchburg VA. years ago.
His show was the only one that made me scared for the pilots safety. He
was so slow, your were sure the Cub would stall. He is a very skilled
pilot indeed. The last I know of him he was based at the Flying Circus
in Warrenton, VA. I think it was three years ago, I was working close
by and stopped by the Circus. He was Driving an old van and pulling his
plane. We talked for a few min's and I told him how much he scared me.
He told me how much he loved doing what he does and that he was on the
way to an air show right then.
I don't remember his name, I have a friend who fly's Stearman's at
the circus, I know he would know.
Howdy
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www.buildersbooks.com<http://www.buildersbooks.com/>
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Subject: | Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist |
Here is the video of him doing the show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2BPcurREpo
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277434#277434
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Subject: | Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist |
I wouldn't mind buying the complete DVD of Charlie Kulp's last
performance. It'd make a great Christmas gift for my hangarmate,
whose 'maiden flight' in his Pup was very similar to several of The
Flying Farmer's 'maneuvers'.
I can't find the DVD at the link provided by Charlie's website.
Charlie's webstie is http://www.theflyingfarmer.com/ and the link he
provides for the DVD is http://myworld.ebay.com/psai-fred/
Anybody know where to get the DVD?
Thanks,
Jeff
>
>Here is the video of him doing the show:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2BPcurREpo
>
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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