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1. 05:12 AM - 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 07:56 AM - 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 08:50 AM - Re: clarification (kevinpurtee)
4. 09:55 AM - Re: rides and non riders cars and airplanes (Doug Dever)
5. 09:59 AM - Re: 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight (H RULE)
6. 04:03 PM - A. Spruce and stainless hardware (Michael Perez)
7. 04:03 PM - Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (airlion)
8. 04:03 PM - Suitable tail wheel and leaf springs (Michael Perez)
9. 06:04 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (Gary Boothe)
10. 06:04 PM - Re: A. Spruce and stainless hardware (David Paule)
11. 06:04 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (Jack)
12. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: clarification (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
13. 06:06 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (David Paule)
14. 06:17 PM - Re: A. Spruce and stainless hardware (shad bell)
15. 06:23 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
16. 07:53 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (Jeff Boatright)
17. 08:54 PM - Re: rides and non riders cars and airplanes (regchief)
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| Subject: | 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight |
Telegram from Wilbur Wright to Bishop Wright on December 15th, 1903:
Misjudgment at start reduced flight one hundred twelve power and control
ample rudder only injured success assured keep quiet.
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| Subject: | 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight |
If Wilbur asked that it be kept quiet, why are you
publicizing it on the internet? ;o)
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: clarification |
I resemble those remarks... :)
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | rides and non riders cars and airplanes |
The fall doesn't hurt you. It's the sudden stop at the end.
do not archive
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rides and non riders cars and airplanes
From: at7000ft@gmail.com
Evil Knievel survived many +80 mph dumps on this motorcycle=2C he may not h
ave been so lucky jumping from an 80 mph Piet at 5000 ft. MSL (without a pa
rachute) =3B).
rh
On Mon=2C Dec 14=2C 2009 at 1:05 PM=2C <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
End result remains the same when you hit 80 mph and no steering in the air
or on the land there is little difference in the fall out!
John
Do not archive
In a message dated 12/14/2009 12:02:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C at7000
ft@gmail.com writes:
Probably because the fall out of an experimental car is much lets than from
an experimental airplane.
rh
On Mon=2C Dec 14=2C 2009 at 11:13 AM=2C <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
While in discussion with a buddy of mine about the Piet and its progress hi
s lovely spouse and friend chimed in=2C " you'll never get me in that thing
" my reply was equally short and pointed " who said you were invited?" end
of conversation. Some how people just assume that they will be offered a ri
de and want to make certain that all faith in the builder=2C design and con
struction confusion about the safety of the craft is un mistakenly=2C highl
y known and publicly pronounced.
The thing that most amazes me is that if you suggested that you had a hand
made custom automobile=2C people would stand in line to see it and hope to
be offered a ride. You do the same with an airplane except that it has an e
xperimental classification and people run for the hills.
Would that be the same if you had an Experimental Bougatti=2CRolls Royce=2C
Farrari=2C Lamborgini=2C Lotus or fiber body Shelby Mustang?
John
In a message dated 12/7/2009 3:37:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C timothyw
illis@earthlink.net writes:
et>
m=2C
We must keep our wives apart--
My wife says about the Piet=2C "Neither Wilbur nor Orville would get in tha
t thing."
BTW=2C I am sure that neither will she.
As I told Chuck Gantzer=2C however=2C "The passenger door allows [tall] Nic
ole Kidman to enter gracefully."
Tim in central TX
do not archive/tell my wife =3B)
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From: TOM STINEMETZE
Sent: Dec 7=2C 2009 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SpaceShipTwo
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| Subject: | Re: 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight |
be vewy,vewy quiet,huh,huh,huh.Duh wabbit is wite dair,weddy to jump!=0Ado
not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zunig
a <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0ATo: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.co
m>=0ASent: Wed, December 16, 2009 10:50:10 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: 10
6 Years ago today- Prelude to flight=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted
by: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A=0A=0AIf Wilbur asked that it b
e kept quiet, why are you=0Apublicizing it on the internet?- ;o)=0A=0Ado
not archive=0A=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailt
o: taildrags@hotmail.com=0Awebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ---
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| Subject: | A. Spruce and stainless hardware |
Looking at the latest A.C. Spruce catalog, page 90. They have MS24694 screw
s rated at 125,000 PSI. Below that they have MS24694C. They claim these are
the same bolts as above, but in stainless. Should I assume they are also 1
25,000 PSI, or-are the stainless always rated lower? (because it is stain
less) Ideally, I would LIKE to use flat head screws,-counter-sunk, on the
metal fittings that hold the cables for the vert. and horiz. stabilizers.
I would also prefer stainless. Not clear if one or both of these ideas woul
d compromise the integrity of the tail.
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| Subject: | Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have a friend
here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed. He says
that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know the results. Cheers,
Gardiner
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Susan Mason <susangmason@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM
Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
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| Subject: | Suitable tail wheel and leaf springs |
While working on tail issues, I would also like to consider the tail wheel
and springs. It appears that A.C. Spruce has a limited selection of tail wh
eel assemblies. Anyone recommend any from the catalog or from another sourc
e? Same with the leaf springs, please.- I would hope the 450 lb rating th
at the catalog shows is sufficient.
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| Subject: | Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
Looking good, Gardiner!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have a
friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed.
He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know the
results. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Susan Mason <susangmason@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM
Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
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| Subject: | Re: A. Spruce and stainless hardware |
I haven't checked for that specific part number, but generally speaking,
there will be different suffix letters to describe the different
materials. You'd need to look at that actual specification to see what
it says.
If all you know is that it's stainless, be advised that there's a lot of
stainless out there that's 300 series annealed, with about a 27 to 35
ksi yield and 70 to 80 ksi ultimate strength. Be very cautious.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A. Spruce and stainless hardware
Looking at the latest A.C. Spruce catalog, page 90. They have
MS24694 screws rated at 125,000 PSI. Below that they have MS24694C. They
claim these are the same bolts as above, but in stainless. Should I
assume they are also 125,000 PSI, or are the stainless always rated
lower? (because it is stainless) Ideally, I would LIKE to use flat head
screws, counter-sunk, on the metal fittings that hold the cables for the
vert. and horiz. stabilizers. I would also prefer stainless. Not clear
if one or both of these ideas would compromise the integrity of the
tail.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
That would be good...
Jack
DSM
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:22 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I
> have a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work
> for Lockheed. He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I
> will let ya'll know the results. Cheers, Gardiner
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Susan Mason <susangmason@gmail.com>
> To: Gardiner Mason <airlion@bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM
> Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
>
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| Subject: | Re: clarification |
Kevin, I have seen plenty of photos of your plane, in detail. SGT Richards showed
them to me. It is even prettier in detail. If you are headed to Camp Mabry
drop me a line and I will by lunch.
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: clarification
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
Results, heck - post the entire analysis!
Thanks!
David Paule
P.S. Advise him to reference ANC-18. It's available on the West Coast
Piet site.
----- Original Message -----
From: airlion
To: pietenpol
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I
have a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for
Lockheed. He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let
ya'll know the results. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Susan Mason <susangmason@gmail.com>
To: Gardiner Mason <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM
Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
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| Subject: | Re: A. Spruce and stainless hardware |
I am not 100% sure but I believe standard AN steel bolts are stronger than
stainless bolts.- Even the big jets use cad plated bolts in high stress l
ocations, eng mount bolts etc.- Stainless is better suited for high heat,
or more corrosive enviroments like wheel wells etc.- Also plain steel bo
lts will bend a little before breaking, and stainless seem to snap off and
break.- Stainless bolts are also a huge pain in the a%$ to drill out if y
ou ever break them or strip them out.-
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Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
I think we would all like to see it
John
In a message dated 12/16/2009 9:06:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dpaule@frii.com writes:
Results, heck - post the entire analysis!
Thanks!
David Paule
P.S. Advise him to reference ANC-18. It's available on the West Coast Piet
site.
----- Original Message -----
From: _airlion_ (mailto:airlion@bellsouth.net)
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have a
friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed.
He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know the
results. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Susan Mason <_susangmason@gmail.com_ (mailto:susangmason@gmail.com) >
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM
Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
Gardiner,
Great looking plane! I can see from the way that you're standing that
you're having to hold it down. It's ready to leap into the sky!
Jeff
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: rides and non riders cars and airplanes |
Wait a minute Rick. If you jump out of a Piet at 5000 MSL in Castle rock, arn't
you technically 2000 ft underground. Giggles, at least down here in Pueblo you
might still have a little altitude,, not much though!!
Kelly 8)
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