---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/16/09: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:12 AM - 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 07:56 AM - 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 08:50 AM - Re: clarification (kevinpurtee) 4. 09:55 AM - Re: rides and non riders cars and airplanes (Doug Dever) 5. 09:59 AM - Re: 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight (H RULE) 6. 04:03 PM - A. Spruce and stainless hardware (Michael Perez) 7. 04:03 PM - Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (airlion) 8. 04:03 PM - Suitable tail wheel and leaf springs (Michael Perez) 9. 06:04 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (Gary Boothe) 10. 06:04 PM - Re: A. Spruce and stainless hardware (David Paule) 11. 06:04 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (Jack) 12. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: clarification (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 13. 06:06 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (David Paule) 14. 06:17 PM - Re: A. Spruce and stainless hardware (shad bell) 15. 06:23 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 16. 07:53 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (Jeff Boatright) 17. 08:54 PM - Re: rides and non riders cars and airplanes (regchief) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight From: helspersew@aol.com Telegram from Wilbur Wright to Bishop Wright on December 15th, 1903: Misjudgment at start reduced flight one hundred twelve power and control ample rudder only injured success assured keep quiet. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:59 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight If Wilbur asked that it be kept quiet, why are you publicizing it on the internet? ;o) do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: clarification From: "kevinpurtee" I resemble those remarks... :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277739#277739 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:52 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: rides and non riders cars and airplanes The fall doesn't hurt you. It's the sudden stop at the end. do not archive Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rides and non riders cars and airplanes From: at7000ft@gmail.com Evil Knievel survived many +80 mph dumps on this motorcycle=2C he may not h ave been so lucky jumping from an 80 mph Piet at 5000 ft. MSL (without a pa rachute) =3B). rh On Mon=2C Dec 14=2C 2009 at 1:05 PM=2C wrote: End result remains the same when you hit 80 mph and no steering in the air or on the land there is little difference in the fall out! John Do not archive In a message dated 12/14/2009 12:02:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C at7000 ft@gmail.com writes: Probably because the fall out of an experimental car is much lets than from an experimental airplane. rh On Mon=2C Dec 14=2C 2009 at 11:13 AM=2C wrote: While in discussion with a buddy of mine about the Piet and its progress hi s lovely spouse and friend chimed in=2C " you'll never get me in that thing " my reply was equally short and pointed " who said you were invited?" end of conversation. Some how people just assume that they will be offered a ri de and want to make certain that all faith in the builder=2C design and con struction confusion about the safety of the craft is un mistakenly=2C highl y known and publicly pronounced. The thing that most amazes me is that if you suggested that you had a hand made custom automobile=2C people would stand in line to see it and hope to be offered a ride. You do the same with an airplane except that it has an e xperimental classification and people run for the hills. Would that be the same if you had an Experimental Bougatti=2CRolls Royce=2C Farrari=2C Lamborgini=2C Lotus or fiber body Shelby Mustang? John In a message dated 12/7/2009 3:37:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C timothyw illis@earthlink.net writes: et> m=2C We must keep our wives apart-- My wife says about the Piet=2C "Neither Wilbur nor Orville would get in tha t thing." BTW=2C I am sure that neither will she. As I told Chuck Gantzer=2C however=2C "The passenger door allows [tall] Nic ole Kidman to enter gracefully." Tim in central TX do not archive/tell my wife =3B) -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Dec 7=2C 2009 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SpaceShipTwo Tim: Funny you should mention that as it's the same thing my wife said about bui lding my own airplane. Besides=2C there's no way to make the weight and ba lance work out with a 400# JATO ============== =========nbsp=3B (And Get Some AWESOME FREE to f ind Gifts tric re b k you for p=3B -Matt Dralle=2C List ======================== U se the ties Day =================== ===== Same --> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad" ttp://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com m/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com "http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad" _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:02 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 106 Years ago today- Prelude to flight be vewy,vewy quiet,huh,huh,huh.Duh wabbit is wite dair,weddy to jump!=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zunig a =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Wed, December 16, 2009 10:50:10 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: 10 6 Years ago today- Prelude to flight=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga =0A=0A=0AIf Wilbur asked that it b e kept quiet, why are you=0Apublicizing it on the internet?- ;o)=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailt o: taildrags@hotmail.com=0Awebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- ========= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:52 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: A. Spruce and stainless hardware Looking at the latest A.C. Spruce catalog, page 90. They have MS24694 screw s rated at 125,000 PSI. Below that they have MS24694C. They claim these are the same bolts as above, but in stainless. Should I assume they are also 1 25,000 PSI, or-are the stainless always rated lower? (because it is stain less) Ideally, I would LIKE to use flat head screws,-counter-sunk, on the metal fittings that hold the cables for the vert. and horiz. stabilizers. I would also prefer stainless. Not clear if one or both of these ideas woul d compromise the integrity of the tail. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:53 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed. He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know the results. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Susan Mason Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:53 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Suitable tail wheel and leaf springs While working on tail issues, I would also like to consider the tail wheel and springs. It appears that A.C. Spruce has a limited selection of tail wh eel assemblies. Anyone recommend any from the catalog or from another sourc e? Same with the leaf springs, please.- I would hope the 450 lb rating th at the catalog shows is sufficient. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:14 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 Looking good, Gardiner! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed. He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know the results. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Susan Mason Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:14 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A. Spruce and stainless hardware I haven't checked for that specific part number, but generally speaking, there will be different suffix letters to describe the different materials. You'd need to look at that actual specification to see what it says. If all you know is that it's stainless, be advised that there's a lot of stainless out there that's 300 series annealed, with about a 27 to 35 ksi yield and 70 to 80 ksi ultimate strength. Be very cautious. David Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A. Spruce and stainless hardware Looking at the latest A.C. Spruce catalog, page 90. They have MS24694 screws rated at 125,000 PSI. Below that they have MS24694C. They claim these are the same bolts as above, but in stainless. Should I assume they are also 125,000 PSI, or are the stainless always rated lower? (because it is stainless) Ideally, I would LIKE to use flat head screws, counter-sunk, on the metal fittings that hold the cables for the vert. and horiz. stabilizers. I would also prefer stainless. Not clear if one or both of these ideas would compromise the integrity of the tail. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:14 PM PST US From: Jack Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 That would be good... Jack DSM Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:22 PM, airlion wrote: > Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I > have a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work > for Lockheed. He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I > will let ya'll know the results. Cheers, Gardiner > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Susan Mason > To: Gardiner Mason > Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM > Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:04 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: clarification Kevin, I have seen plenty of photos of your plane, in detail. SGT Richards showed them to me. It is even prettier in detail. If you are headed to Camp Mabry drop me a line and I will by lunch. Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinpurtee Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: clarification > > I resemble those remarks... :) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277739#277739 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:02 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 Results, heck - post the entire analysis! Thanks! David Paule P.S. Advise him to reference ANC-18. It's available on the West Coast Piet site. ----- Original Message ----- From: airlion To: pietenpol Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed. He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know the results. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Susan Mason To: Gardiner Mason Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:01 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A. Spruce and stainless hardware I am not 100% sure but I believe standard AN steel bolts are stronger than stainless bolts.- Even the big jets use cad plated bolts in high stress l ocations, eng mount bolts etc.- Stainless is better suited for high heat, or more corrosive enviroments like wheel wells etc.- Also plain steel bo lts will bend a little before breaking, and stainless seem to snap off and break.- Stainless bolts are also a huge pain in the a%$ to drill out if y ou ever break them or strip them out.- - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:30 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 I think we would all like to see it John In a message dated 12/16/2009 9:06:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dpaule@frii.com writes: Results, heck - post the entire analysis! Thanks! David Paule P.S. Advise him to reference ANC-18. It's available on the West Coast Piet site. ----- Original Message ----- From: _airlion_ (mailto:airlion@bellsouth.net) Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed. He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know the results. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Susan Mason <_susangmason@gmail.com_ (mailto:susangmason@gmail.com) > Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:01 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 Gardiner, Great looking plane! I can see from the way that you're standing that you're having to hold it down. It's ready to leap into the sky! Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rides and non riders cars and airplanes From: "regchief" Wait a minute Rick. If you jump out of a Piet at 5000 MSL in Castle rock, arn't you technically 2000 ft underground. Giggles, at least down here in Pueblo you might still have a little altitude,, not much though!! 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