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1. 04:03 AM - 106 years ago today- First Flight (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:24 AM - Vertical compass (Jack)
3. 04:57 AM - Re: Vertical compass (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: Vertical compass (Jack Phillips)
5. 05:57 AM - Elevator Control Stops? (Ben Charvet)
6. 06:32 AM - Re: Elevator Control Stops? (Ryan Mueller)
7. 06:42 AM - Re: Elevator Control Stops? (TOM STINEMETZE)
8. 06:42 AM - Elevator Stops (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 07:11 AM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (Barry Davis)
10. 07:11 AM - Bolts and stress anal-isis (Lawrence Williams)
11. 07:40 AM - Re: Elevator Control Stops? (Richard Schreiber)
12. 07:46 AM - Re: Elevator Control Stops? (David Paule)
13. 07:48 AM - another kool one (amsafetyc@aol.com)
14. 07:49 AM - Re: Vertical compass (David Paule)
15. 07:57 AM - Re: Elevator Control Stops? (TOM STINEMETZE)
16. 08:12 AM - simple elevator control stop setup (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 08:14 AM - Elevator Control Stops? (Oscar Zuniga)
18. 08:19 AM - Re: Elevator Control Stops? (Ryan Mueller)
19. 08:47 AM - Control stick wood (Ryan Mueller)
20. 08:50 AM - Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis (H RULE)
21. 08:52 AM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (Dick N)
22. 08:54 AM - Fw: Jack a word to the wise (amsafetyc@aol.com)
23. 08:56 AM - Re: Elevator Control Stops? (Richard Schreiber)
24. 08:59 AM - Jack a word to the wise (amsafetyc@aol.com)
25. 08:59 AM - Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis (Dick N)
26. 09:32 AM - Re: another kool one (mike)
27. 10:33 AM - Re: Fw: Jack a word to the wise (H RULE)
28. 11:21 AM - Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis (Michael Perez)
29. 11:52 AM - Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis (Jack Phillips)
30. 11:57 AM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (Mac Zirges)
31. 12:03 PM - Re: Control stick wood (gboothe5@comcast.net)
32. 12:12 PM - Re: Control stick wood (Ryan Mueller)
33. 12:13 PM - Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis (Michael Perez)
34. 01:17 PM - Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis (Bill Church)
35. 01:23 PM - Elevator Control Stops? (Oscar Zuniga)
36. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis (Gene Rambo)
37. 03:33 PM - Re: Control stick wood (Gary Boothe)
38. 03:53 PM - Re: Control stick wood (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
39. 03:53 PM - Re: Control stick wood (airlion)
40. 04:21 PM - Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 (airlion)
41. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis (David Paule)
42. 04:41 PM - Re: Control stick wood (Gary Boothe)
43. 04:43 PM - Re: Control stick wood (Gary Boothe)
44. 05:14 PM - Re: Control stick wood (mike)
45. 05:32 PM - Re: Control stick wood (Gary Boothe)
46. 05:41 PM - Re: Control stick wood (David Paule)
47. 07:17 PM - Re: Control stick wood (Darrel Jones)
48. 09:14 PM - Re: Control stick wood (Tim Willis)
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| Subject: | 106 years ago today- First Flight |
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| Subject: | Vertical compass |
Does anyone have a vertical compass installed in their panel? Wondering
about interference of nearby instruments, cables, etc. I guess the same
question could be asked for a standard compass. I would rather mount the
compass in the panel rather than outside the cockpit.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Vertical compass |
I've got one in my RV-4. I really like it - it is damped much more than a
"whisky" compass, and acts much more like a directional gyro. Still has the
normal compass errors, but doesn't bounce around much.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical compass
Does anyone have a vertical compass installed in their panel? Wondering
about interference of nearby instruments, cables, etc. I guess the same
question could be asked for a standard compass. I would rather mount the
compass in the panel rather than outside the cockpit.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Vertical compass |
One thing to be careful of when swinging your compass (regardless of
which
type of magnetic compass) ' be sure your stick is in the level flight
position, not full forward as it normally is on the ground. The steel
in
that stick makes a significant difference (as much as 30=B0) on your
indicated
compass heading, so put it where it will be when you are in level
flight.
Otherwise you might miss Brodhead altogether. Also be sure your
avionics
(if any) are on. Just for fun, see how much the compass changes when
you
hit the transmit button on your radio (either panel mount or handheld).
Just
some stuff to think about.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vertical compass
I=92ve got one in my RV-4. I really like it ' it is damped much more
than a
=93whisky=94 compass, and acts much more like a directional gyro. Still
has the
normal compass errors, but doesn=92t bounce around much.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical compass
Does anyone have a vertical compass installed in their panel? Wondering
about interference of nearby instruments, cables, etc. I guess the same
question could be asked for a standard compass. I would rather mount
the
compass in the panel rather than outside the cockpit.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
www.aeroelectric.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.aeroelectric.com> www.aeroelectric.com
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| Subject: | Elevator Control Stops? |
I'm still rebuilding my A-65 and getting the Piet ready for its
airworthiness inspection. Can anybody share some ideas on how to put a
control stop on the elevators?
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Control Stops? |
Here's one:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/elevator_stop_strap_4130_steel_full_down.jpg
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/elevator_stop_strap_full_up.jpg
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/Piet_elevator_strap_stop_piece.jpg
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/Piet_elevator_travel_sketch.jpg
Ryan
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I'm still rebuilding my A-65 and getting the Piet ready for its
> airworthiness inspection. Can anybody share some ideas on how to put a
> control stop on the elevators?
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Control Stops? |
Ben:
I drew this quickly from memory so some of the details will not be right
but this is how Ken Perkins makes up his control sticks which include
aileron stops on the front stick only. If you do not have a stick in the
passenger compartment I don't see why this could not be done on the
pilot's stick as well.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
N328X
>>> Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> 12/17/2009 7:55 AM >>>
I'm still rebuilding my A-65 and getting the Piet ready for its
airworthiness inspection. Can anybody share some ideas on how to put a
control stop on the elevators?
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
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Oops! Must be too early in the morning. My diagram is for an elevator
stop, not an aileron stop.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
N328X
do not archive
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| Subject: | Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
Stress Test?????
Wait till you make the first test flight........that's your real stress
test, and deodorant test, etc, etc
Lookin good - Keep us posted
Barry Davis
Big Piet
NX973BP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have a
friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed.
He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know the
results. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Susan Mason <susangmason@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM
Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
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| Subject: | Bolts and stress anal-isis |
OK, now I'm really scared. I was going to fly today to commemorate the Wrig
ht brothers first (?) flight but after reading the posts, I'm going to wait
..
-
I don't remember using stainless steel hardware anywhere but some might hav
e snuck in somewhere and something might just snap off at any second and I'
d be a smoking crater. Scarey thought! And I'm probably going to have to aw
ait the scientific stress anal-isis of the airframe to even begin to feel s
afe and comfortable again. How in the world have I lived so long without al
l this testing? It'll give me the willies every time I fly now. Thanks for
ruining my day!
-
Larry
-
ps. I have decided that along with the nosewheel, I'm going to retain the e
ntire engine mount and the 0-290 that came with it. Might need a canopy wit
h all that power on tap!=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Elevator Control Stops? |
Ben:
Here is what I did. On the 3 station forward of the rudder post I located
some nylon plates as fairleads. The elevator cables pass through these
fairleads. On all four elevator cables I swaged onto the cables nicopress
stops on the forward side. I will then take a section of dowel rod of the
proper length, drill it lengthwise and split it in half. The dowel rod
sections will then be placed around the elevator cables, between the
fairleads and the stops. The dowel rods will be held back together with
safety wire around each end. The dowel rods/nicopress stop will then butt
against the fairlead at the max deflection of the elevator. The position of
the stop is adjustable by the length of the dowel and the location of the
nicopress stop. This type of stop is shown in one of Tony Bingelis' books.
I have attached a photo that shows what I am talking about. Ignore the
rudder cables with the sharp bend at the fairleads. Its just twine and not
attached to anything at the forward end.
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
> To: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/17/2009 7:58:27 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Control Stops?
>
>
> I'm still rebuilding my A-65 and getting the Piet ready for its
> airworthiness inspection. Can anybody share some ideas on how to put a
> control stop on the elevators?
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Control Stops? |
Pretty slick, but where do you get that left-hand thread for that
right-hand stop?
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM STINEMETZE
To: Pietenpol list
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Control Stops?
Ben:
I drew this quickly from memory so some of the details will not be
right but this is how Ken Perkins makes up his control sticks which
include aileron stops on the front stick only. If you do not have a
stick in the passenger compartment I don't see why this could not be
done on the pilot's stick as well.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
N328X
>>> Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> 12/17/2009 7:55 AM >>>
<bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
I'm still rebuilding my A-65 and getting the Piet ready for its
airworthiness inspection. Can anybody share some ideas on how to put
a
control stop on the elevators?
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
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| Subject: | another kool one |
Every once in a while a fried of mine on the West Coast sends me an
aviation tidbit worthy of sharing, to that end I offer you this site:
_https://home.comcast.net/~bzee1b/Zeppelin/Zeppelin.html_
(https://home.comcast.net/~bzee1b/Zeppelin/Zeppelin.html)
Enjoy
John
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical compass |
And make sure you don't keep any Duracell batteries within about three
feet of the compass. Haven't tried other types, but the Duracell's are
quite magnetic. GPS, radio, etc....
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:08 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vertical compass
One thing to be careful of when swinging your compass (regardless of
which type of magnetic compass) - be sure your stick is in the level
flight position, not full forward as it normally is on the ground. The
steel in that stick makes a significant difference (as much as 30=B0) on
your indicated compass heading, so put it where it will be when you are
in level flight. Otherwise you might miss Brodhead altogether. Also be
sure your avionics (if any) are on. Just for fun, see how much the
compass changes when you hit the transmit button on your radio (either
panel mount or handheld). Just some stuff to think about.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:56 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vertical compass
I've got one in my RV-4. I really like it - it is damped much more
than a "whisky" compass, and acts much more like a directional gyro.
Still has the normal compass errors, but doesn't bounce around much.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:21 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical compass
Does anyone have a vertical compass installed in their panel?
Wondering about interference of nearby instruments, cables, etc. I
guess the same question could be asked for a standard compass. I would
rather mount the compass in the panel rather than outside the cockpit.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
www.aeroelectric.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contrib
ution
www.aeroelectric.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contrib
ution
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Control Stops? |
Picky, picky, and like picky - OK! I buy all my AN hardware cheap from
some furrin speakin' guy.
>>> "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com> 12/17/2009 9:37 AM >>>
Pretty slick, but where do you get that left-hand thread for that
right-hand stop?
David Paule
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| Subject: | simple elevator control stop setup |
Stolen idea directly from Frank S. and Frank M. Pavliga's Sky Gypsy Pieten
pol. Works like a charm.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Elevator Control Stops? |
41CC has exactly the same elevator control stop setup
as that picture on Westcoastpiet (slotted strap). Works
great.
And as for the whiskey compass, 41CC has the compass
right in the front center of the panel and as I've noted
on this list before, moving the stick forward will
swing the compass. I'm too lazy to demagnetize the
stick, make a new one out of ash or aluminum, or make
any other changes. I've never gotten lost flying the
compass because I only glance at it occasionally as it
nods and bobs along. It would take 30 minutes of flying
in the wrong direction to get lost in a Piet anyway
(unless you fly over those forested mountains like Jack
and some of you other folks).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Control Stops? |
Maybe I'm missing something; it would appear that the position is
adjustable.....until you cover the airplane. And if they are no longer
accessible once covered, then what's the advantage of them being adjustable?
Again, maybe I'm just not seeing something in the picture.
I would think with Mike's method, the Ken Perkins method that Tom sketched,
or something equivalent you would have more accessible stops located in the
cockpit areas....both for later adjustment if needed and for ease of
inspection....
Ryan
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>wrote:
> Ben:
> Here is what I did. On the 3 station forward of the rudder post I located
> some nylon plates as fairleads. The elevator cables pass through these
> fairleads. On all four elevator cables I swaged onto the cables nicopress
> stops on the forward side. I will then take a section of dowel rod of the
> proper length, drill it lengthwise and split it in half. The dowel rod
> sections will then be placed around the elevator cables, between the
> fairleads and the stops. The dowel rods will be held back together with
> safety wire around each end. The dowel rods/nicopress stop will then butt
> against the fairlead at the max deflection of the elevator. The position of
> the stop is adjustable by the length of the dowel and the location of the
> nicopress stop. This type of stop is shown in one of Tony Bingelis' books.
>
> I have attached a photo that shows what I am talking about. Ignore the
> rudder cables with the sharp bend at the fairleads. Its just twine and not
> attached to anything at the forward end.
>
> Rick Schreiber
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
> > To: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 12/17/2009 7:58:27 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Control Stops?
> >
> bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > I'm still rebuilding my A-65 and getting the Piet ready for its
> > airworthiness inspection. Can anybody share some ideas on how to put a
> > control stop on the elevators?
> >
> > Ben Charvet
> > Mims, Fl
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Control stick wood |
Oscar made mention of making a control stick out of ash in a separate
thread, and that brought to mind a question: is there any reason why one
should not make control sticks out of pine? My father recently felled the
old pine tree that was right at the corner of the house I grew up in (not
too far outside my bedroom window, actually). It had been in a slow decline
over the past few years, and finally gave up the ghost. I asked him to save
a hunk o' the trunk, and maybe I could use some of the wood for some
non-structural parts of the airplane; I think it would be kind of neat to do
so. He ended up cutting the trunk off about 3 feet AGL, and the cutting the
remains down the middle, and then cutting off once again near the ground.
This left two halves of the base of the trunk, about 25" long (pony bottle
of High Life for scale, apparently):
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/4193138806_afc3c42df6_o.jpg
I figured we could trim a bit of the excess off and let the pieces sit
around in the shop and dry out....then have them turned down into control
sticks eventually. I can't see any reason why pine wouldn't work, but I
thought I would toss the question out there. Thanks, and have a good day,
Ryan
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>wrote:
> <snip>
I'm too lazy to demagnetize the
> stick, make a new one out of ash or aluminum, or make
> any other changes.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis |
A smoking crater!Hardly,you won't even put a dint in the ground with a Piet.One
of the Wrights said"if you want to feel safe, sit on the fence and watch."
You keep talkin like that and your gona die in bed with your boots on.Get out there
and fly,after your walk around of coarse.
do not archive
________________________________
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 10:10:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
OK, now I'm really scared. I was going to fly today to commemorate the Wright brothers
first (?) flight but after reading the posts, I'm going to wait.
I don't remember using stainless steel hardware anywhere but some might have snuck
in somewhere and something might just snap off at any second and I'd be a
smoking crater. Scarey thought! And I'm probably going to have to await the scientific
stress anal-isis of the airframe to even begin to feel safe and comfortable
again. How in the world have I lived so long without all this testing?
It'll give me the willies every time I fly now. Thanks for ruining my day!
Larry
ps. I have decided that along with the nosewheel, I'm going to retain the entire
engine mount and the 0-290 that came with it. Might need a canopy with all that
power on tap!
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
Hey Gardiner
Good job
It's a long way from putting that fuselage together at Sun n Fun.
Dick N
----- Original Message -----
From: airlion
To: pietenpol
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I
have a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for
Lockheed. He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let
ya'll know the results. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Susan Mason <susangmason@gmail.com>
To: Gardiner Mason <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM
Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
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____________________________________
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: 12/17/2009 11:30:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Jack a word to the wise
As a bagpiper, I play many gigs. Recently I was asked by a funeral
director to play at a grave side service for a homeless man. He had no family
or
friends, so the service was to be at a pauper's cemetery in the Kentucky
back-country.
As I was not familiar with the backwoods, I got lost; and being a typical
man I didn't stop for directions. I finally arrived an hour late and saw
the funeral guy had evidently gone and the hearse was nowhere in sight.
There were only the diggers and crew left and they were eating lunch. I
felt badly and apologized to the men for being late. I went to the side of
the grave and looked down and the vault lid was already in place. I didn't
know what else to do, so I started to play.
The workers put down their lunches and began to gather around. I played
out my heart and soul for this man with no family and friends. I played like
I've never played before for this homeless man.
And as I played 'Amazing Grace,' the workers began to weep. They wept, I
wept, and we all wept together. When I finished I packed up my bagpipes and
started for my car. Though my head hung low my heart was full.
As I was opened the door to my car, I heard one of the workers say,
"Whoa... I never seen nothin' like that before and I've been putting in
septic tanks for over twenty years."
John
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Control Stops? |
Ryan, the stops and the bellcrank are accessible from a belly access panel.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: 12/17/2009 10:22:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Control Stops?
Maybe I'm missing something; it would appear that the position is adjustable.....until
you cover the airplane. And if they are no longer accessible once covered,
then what's the advantage of them being adjustable? Again, maybe I'm just
not seeing something in the picture.
I would think with Mike's method, the Ken Perkins method that Tom sketched, or
something equivalent you would have more accessible stops located in the cockpit
areas....both for later adjustment if needed and for ease of inspection....
Ryan
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ben:
Here is what I did. On the 3 station forward of the rudder post I located
some nylon plates as fairleads. The elevator cables pass through these
fairleads. On all four elevator cables I swaged onto the cables nicopress
stops on the forward side. I will then take a section of dowel rod of the
proper length, drill it lengthwise and split it in half. The dowel rod
sections will then be placed around the elevator cables, between the
fairleads and the stops. The dowel rods will be held back together with
safety wire around each end. The dowel rods/nicopress stop will then butt
against the fairlead at the max deflection of the elevator. The position of
the stop is adjustable by the length of the dowel and the location of the
nicopress stop. This type of stop is shown in one of Tony Bingelis' books.
I have attached a photo that shows what I am talking about. Ignore the
rudder cables with the sharp bend at the fairleads. Its just twine and not
attached to anything at the forward end.
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
> To: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/17/2009 7:58:27 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Control Stops?
>
>
> I'm still rebuilding my A-65 and getting the Piet ready for its
> airworthiness inspection. Can anybody share some ideas on how to put a
> control stop on the elevators?
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
>
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| Subject: | Jack a word to the wise |
As a bagpiper, I play many gigs. Recently I was asked by a funeral
director to play at a grave side service for a homeless man. He had no family
or
friends, so the service was to be at a pauper's cemetery in the Kentucky
back-country.
As I was not familiar with the backwoods, I got lost; and being a typical
man I didn't stop for directions. I finally arrived an hour late and saw
the funeral guy had evidently gone and the hearse was nowhere in sight.
There were only the diggers and crew left and they were eating lunch. I
felt badly and apologized to the men for being late. I went to the side of
the grave and looked down and the vault lid was already in place. I didn't
know what else to do, so I started to play.
The workers put down their lunches and began to gather around. I played
out my heart and soul for this man with no family and friends. I played like
I've never played before for this homeless man.
And as I played 'Amazing Grace,' the workers began to weep. They wept, I
wept, and we all wept together. When I finished I packed up my bagpipes and
started for my car. Though my head hung low my heart was full.
As I was opened the door to my car, I heard one of the workers say,
"Whoa... I never seen nothin' like that before and I've been putting in
septic tanks for over twenty years."
John
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| Subject: | Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis |
Good on e, Larry. How about re posting on April 1.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
OK, now I'm really scared. I was going to fly today to
commemorate the Wright brothers first (?) flight but after reading the
posts, I'm going to wait.
I don't remember using stainless steel hardware anywhere but
some might have snuck in somewhere and something might just snap off at
any second and I'd be a smoking crater. Scarey thought! And I'm probably
going to have to await the scientific stress anal-isis of the airframe
to even begin to feel safe and comfortable again. How in the world have
I lived so long without all this testing? It'll give me the willies
every time I fly now. Thanks for ruining my day!
Larry
ps. I have decided that along with the nosewheel, I'm going to
retain the entire engine mount and the 0-290 that came with it. Might
need a canopy with all that power on tap!
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| Subject: | another kool one |
Wow! Low-and-slow that makes a Piet look zippy. And it even has a tail
wheel.
Thanks for sharing, John.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: another kool one
Every once in a while a fried of mine on the West Coast sends me an aviation
tidbit worthy of sharing, to that end I offer you this site:
https://home.comcast.net/~bzee1b/Zeppelin/Zeppelin.html
Enjoy
John
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Jack a word to the wise |
You had me all the way!Good one!I even shed a tear!=0Ado not archive=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "amsafetyc@aol.com" <amsa
fetyc@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, December 17,
2009 11:34:18 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Jack a word to the wise
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: amsafetyc@aol.co
m=0A>To: Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com, pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent:
12/17/2009 11:30:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time=0A>Subj: Jack a word to the
wise=0A>=0A>As a bagpiper, I play many gigs. Recently I was asked by a fune
ral director to play at a grave side service for a homeless man. He had no
family or friends, so the service was to be at a pauper's cemetery in the K
entucky back-country.=0A>-=0A>As I was not familiar with the backwoods, I
got lost; and being a typical man Ididn't stop for directions. I finally a
rrived an hour late and saw the funeralguy had evidently gone and the hears
e was nowhere in sight.=0A>-=0A>There were only the diggers and crew left
and they were eating lunch. I felt-badly and apologized to the men for b
eing late. I went to the side of the graveand looked down and the vault lid
was already in place. I didn't know what else-to do, so I started to pla
y.=0A>-=0A>The workers put down their lunches and began to gather around.
I played out my-heart and soul for this man with no family and friends.
I played like I've-never played before for this homeless man.=0A>-=0A>A
nd as I played 'Amazing Grace,' the workers began to weep. They wept, I wep
t,-and we all wept together. When I finished I packed up my bagpipes and
started for-my car. Though my head hung low my heart was full.=0A>As I wa
s opened the door to my car, I heard one of the workers say,=0A>"Whoa... I
never seen nothin' like that before and I've been putting in septic tanks f
=
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| Subject: | Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis |
I just wanted to know if the A.S. spruce catalog listing was valid with it'
s SS bolts.- Since it looks to me like the horiz. stab is screwed on usin
g wood screws into the fuse. and since I had heard that some of those tail
brackets were rivited by some- back in the day, I should be very concerne
d with using 3/16" bolts of any kind. I may go up to 1/2" or so and lots of
T88.
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
A smoking crater!Hardly,you won't even put a dint in the ground with a Piet
.One of the Wrights said"if you want to feel safe, sit on the fence and wat
ch."
You keep talkin like that and your gona die in bed with your boots on.Get o
ut there and fly,after your walk around of coarse.
do not archive
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 10:10:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
OK, now I'm really scared. I was going to fly today to commemorate the Wrig
ht brothers first (?) flight but after reading the posts, I'm going to wait
.
-
I don't remember using stainless steel hardware anywhere but some might hav
e snuck in somewhere and something might just snap off at any second and I'
d be a smoking crater. Scarey thought! And I'm probably going to have to aw
ait the scientific stress anal-isis of the airframe to even begin to feel s
afe and comfortable again. How in the world have I lived so long without al
l this testing? It'll give me the willies every time I fly now. Thanks for
ruining my day!
-
Larry
-
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| Subject: | Bolts and stress anal-isis |
I attached my horizontal stabuilizer with AN3 bolts through the longeron,
into nutplates on the bottom of the upper longerons. The only stainless
hardware I used are the sheet metal screws that attach the cowling and the
fairings between the centersection and the wing panels..
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
I just wanted to know if the A.S. spruce catalog listing was valid with it's
SS bolts. Since it looks to me like the horiz. stab is screwed on using
wood screws into the fuse. and since I had heard that some of those tail
brackets were rivited by some back in the day, I should be very concerned
with using 3/16" bolts of any kind. I may go up to 1/2" or so and lots of
T88.
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
A smoking crater!Hardly,you won't even put a dint in the ground with a
Piet.One of the Wrights said"if you want to feel safe, sit on the fence and
watch."
You keep talkin like that and your gona die in bed with your boots on.Get
out there and fly,after your walk around of coarse.
do not archive
_____
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 10:10:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
OK, now I'm really scared. I was going to fly today to commemorate the
Wright brothers first (?) flight but after reading the posts, I'm going to
wait.
I don't remember using stainless steel hardware anywhere but some might have
snuck in somewhere and something might just snap off at any second and I'd
be a smoking crater. Scarey thought! And I'm probably going to have to await
the scientific stress anal-isis of the airframe to even begin to feel safe
and comfortable again. How in the world have I lived so long without all
this testing? It'll give me the willies every time I fly now. Thanks for
ruining my day!
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
Gardiner--
Your Piet looks great! Are you going to fly it to Brodhead this year?
--Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: airlion
To: pietenpol
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have
a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed
. He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know th
e results. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Susan Mason <susangmason@gmail.com>
To: Gardiner Mason <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12 PM
Subject: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
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| Subject: | Re: Control stick wood |
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| Subject: | Re: Control stick wood |
That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
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| Subject: | Bolts and stress anal-isis |
I understand. I find it odd that A.C. Spruce would call those SS screws the
same as the cad plated ones above them. (in the catalog) I figured being S
S they would be rated lower, but not according to what I saw.- Nice to bo
unce things off the list.
-
do not archive
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
I attached my horizontal stabuilizer with AN3 bolts through the longeron, i
nto nutplates on the bottom of the upper longerons.- The only stainless h
ardware I used are the sheet metal screws that attach the cowling and the f
airings between the centersection and the wing panels..
-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
-
I just wanted to know if the A.S. spruce catalog listing was valid with it'
s SS bolts.- Since it looks to me like the horiz. stab is screwed on usin
g wood screws into the fuse. and since I had heard that some of those tail
brackets were rivited by some- back in the day, I should be very concerne
d with using 3/16" bolts of any kind. I may go up to 1/2" or so and lots of
T88.
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
A smoking crater!Hardly,you won't even put a dint in the ground with a Piet
.One of the Wrights said"if you want to feel safe, sit on the fence and wat
ch."
You keep talkin like that and your gona die in bed with your boots on.Get o
ut there and fly,after your walk around of coarse.
do not archive
-
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 10:10:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bolts and stress anal-isis
OK, now I'm really scared. I was going to fly today to commemorate the Wrig
ht brothers first (?) flight but after reading the posts, I'm going to wait
.
-
I don't remember using stainless steel hardware anywhere but some might hav
e snuck in somewhere and something might just snap off at any second and I'
d be a smoking crater. Scarey thought! And I'm probably going to have to aw
ait the scientific stress anal-isis of the airframe to even begin to feel s
afe and comfortable again. How in the world have I lived so long without al
l this testing? It'll give me the willies every time I fly now. Thanks for
ruining my day!
-
Larry
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My gut feeling would be that AN bolts would be the way to go, and that stainless
steel fasteners should only be used for non-structural applications, such as
trim attachment, etc. - BUT I just did a quick internet search, and found a
website that lists MS27039C stainless steel machine screws with 125,000 PSI listed
strength:
http://www.skybolt.com
The website won't allow me to give a direct link to the specific page, so you'll
have to go over to the left hand side of the page, and click "online purchasing",
then click on "AN-MS-NAS Screws", and then "MS27039C Screws-Stainless".
A screen shot is attached for reference.
So, the short answer is MAYBE you can buy AIRCRAFT GRADE stainless steel fasteners
that have strength comparable to AN bolts - but you should check very carefully
with the supplier regarding the strength. I have no idea how these stainless
steel fasteners compare with regards to fatigue strength, or anything else,
for that matter.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277984#277984
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| Subject: | Elevator Control Stops? |
Ryan wrote:
>I would think with Mike's method, the Ken Perkins method
>that Tom sketched, or something equivalent you would have
>more accessible stops located in the cockpit areas....both
>for later adjustment if needed and for ease of inspection..
True, but as noted in an earlier post, the old ACs and good
practice recommend control stops out near the control surface
itself. I suppose it has to do with limiting flutter if
something breaks between the cockpit and the control surface.
So there are reasons for having the stops at both ends but
my airplane doesn't have them. I guess if I survive a
situation that proves that it's a good idea to have the
stops at both ends, I'll post details on the retrofit
on this list. If I don't survive, I hope somebody at
least scrounges the turnbuckles off the carcass of 41CC
because those things are worth their weight in gold.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis |
At least in a certified aircraft stainless hardware is never approved
for structural use. Just because there is a MS number associated with a
stainless screw does not necessarily mean that is is approved for a
particular purpose, just that there is a stock number for it. Even
though the tensile strength of the material appears to equate to other
steel hardware, I would not use it in a structural location.
Gene
A&P and IA since 1981
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church<mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis
<billspiet@sympatico.ca<mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca>>
My gut feeling would be that AN bolts would be the way to go, and that
stainless steel fasteners should only be used for non-structural
applications, such as trim attachment, etc. - BUT I just did a quick
internet search, and found a website that lists MS27039C stainless steel
machine screws with 125,000 PSI listed strength:
http://www.skybolt.com<http://www.skybolt.com/>
The website won't allow me to give a direct link to the specific page,
so you'll have to go over to the left hand side of the page, and click
"online purchasing", then click on "AN-MS-NAS Screws", and then
"MS27039C Screws-Stainless". A screen shot is attached for reference.
So, the short answer is MAYBE you can buy AIRCRAFT GRADE stainless
steel fasteners that have strength comparable to AN bolts - but you
should check very carefully with the supplier regarding the strength. I
have no idea how these stainless steel fasteners compare with regards to
fatigue strength, or anything else, for that matter.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277984#277984<http://forums
.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277984#277984>
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| Subject: | Control stick wood |
I see what you mean.and to top it off is a hand-carved Hickory grip. I moved
the stick forward a couple inches (I can do that because of the push rods)
and gave the pilot stick a little shape. The forward cockpit has a straight
stick - otherwise the same.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
Gary Boothe
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Control stick wood |
Gary,
Do you get any flex out of your control stick?
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
I see what you mean...and to top it off is a hand-carved Hickory grip. I
moved the stick forward a couple inches (I can do that because of the
push rods) and gave the pilot stick a little shape. The forward cockpit
has a straight stick - otherwise the same.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down...)
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: Control stick wood |
That is a beautiful control stick Gary. What is it made of, and did you car
ve the grip too? Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.
com=0ASent: Thu, December 17, 2009 6:32:23 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List
: Control stick wood=0A=0A =0AI see what you meanand to top it=0Ao
ff is a hand-carved Hickory =0Agrip. I moved the stick forward a couple inc
hes (I can do that because of the=0Apush rods) and gave the pilot stick a l
ittle shape. The forward cockpit has a=0Astraight stick =93 otherwise
the same.=0A =0A =0AGary Boothe=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conve
rsion,=0Amounted=0ATail=0Adone, Fuselage on gear=0A(16 ribs down)
=0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-serv
er@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Beha
lf Of Ryan Mueller=0ASent: Thursday, December 17, 2009=0A12:10 PM=0ATo: pie
tenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0AControl stick wo
od=0A =0AThat sounds like a=0Adessert, not an airplane part! ;)=0A=0ARyan
=0A=0Ado not archive=0AOn Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.n
et> wrote:=0AFWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.=0A=0AGary B
oothe=0ASent from=0Amy Verizon Wireless BlackBerry=0A =0A =0A =0Awww.aero
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009 |
Mac, I hope to. Gardiner
________________________________
From: Mac Zirges <macz@casco.net>
Sent: Mon, January 1, 1990 4:37:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and his Pietenpol, December 2009
Gardiner--
Your Piet looks great! Are you going to fly it to
Brodhead this year?
--Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
>From: airlion
>To: pietenpol
>Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:22
> PM
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Gardiner and
> his Pietenpol, December 2009
>
>
>Hey listers, Has anyone done a stress analysis for the pietenpol? I have
> a friend here in Lagrange that is an engineer and used to work for Lockheed.
> He says that he can do a stress test on my Piet. I will let ya'll know the
> results. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
>----- Forwarded Message ----
>From: Susan Mason <susangmason@gmail.com>
>To: Gardiner Mason <airlion@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:06:12
> PM
>Subject: Gardiner and his
> Pietenpol, December 2009
>
> >
________________________________
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>:
> 4/6/07 12:00 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis |
In certified aircraft, specific hardware is included as part of the type
certificate. Hardware that meets the same specifications as original are
to be used, even if it is stainless steel.
In some certified aircraft, certain particular stainless steel hardware
has been used. I know of the reasonably wide use of A286, an iron,
chrome and nickel alloy, due to his high strength and relatively high
toughness.
The thing that's important in certified aircraft is to use the specified
hardware for that particular application - and sometimes it will be
stainless steel.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis
At least in a certified aircraft stainless hardware is never approved
for structural use. Just because there is a MS number associated with a
stainless screw does not necessarily mean that is is approved for a
particular purpose, just that there is a stock number for it. Even
though the tensile strength of the material appears to equate to other
steel hardware, I would not use it in a structural location.
Gene
A&P and IA since 1981
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bolts and stress anal-isis
<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
My gut feeling would be that AN bolts would be the way to go, and
that stainless steel fasteners should only be used for non-structural
applications, such as trim attachment, etc. - BUT I just did a quick
internet search, and found a website that lists MS27039C stainless steel
machine screws with 125,000 PSI listed strength:
http://www.skybolt.com
The website won't allow me to give a direct link to the specific
page, so you'll have to go over to the left hand side of the page, and
click "online purchasing", then click on "AN-MS-NAS Screws", and then
"MS27039C Screws-Stainless". A screen shot is attached for reference.
So, the short answer is MAYBE you can buy AIRCRAFT GRADE stainless
steel fasteners that have strength comparable to AN bolts - but you
should check very carefully with the supplier regarding the strength. I
have no idea how these stainless steel fasteners compare with regards to
fatigue strength, or anything else, for that matter.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277984#277984
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| Subject: | Control stick wood |
Brian,
The stick is not flight tested, but when I did destructive testing on the
Beta version, it broke at what I estimate to be about 125lbs. I figure that
if I have to pull that hard on my control stick that I have bigger problems
to worry about!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Gary,
Do you get any flex out of your control stick?
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
I see what you mean.and to top it off is a hand-carved Hickory grip. I moved
the stick forward a couple inches (I can do that because of the push rods)
and gave the pilot stick a little shape. The forward cockpit has a straight
stick - otherwise the same.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
Gary Boothe
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Control stick wood |
Thanks, Gardiner. Yes, I carved the grip, but I mis-spoke when I said
Hickory (must have Hickory on the brain). The grip is carved from some
exotic hardwood that my dad had, but he is passed away before I got it ID'd.
It looks similar to Mahogany, smells like Mahogany, but is WAY harder.
The other woods are Orange Paduka and Maple. OP is somewhat soft, but the
maple and the laminating make the stick fairly sturdy.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
That is a beautiful control stick Gary. What is it made of, and did you
carve the grip too? Gardiner
_____
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 6:32:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
I see what you mean.and to top it off is a hand-carved Hickory grip. I moved
the stick forward a couple inches (I can do that because of the push rods)
and gave the pilot stick a little shape. The forward cockpit has a straight
stick - otherwise the same.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
Gary Boothe
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Control stick wood |
Gary,
There have been reported cases of panicked passengers fighting a PIC for
control and applying forces well above 125#. Have you fully thought out
your passenger-carrying procedure?
Mike Hardaway
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Brian,
The stick is not flight tested, but when I did destructive testing on the
Beta version, it broke at what I estimate to be about 125lbs. I figure that
if I have to pull that hard on my control stick that I have bigger problems
to worry about!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Gary,
Do you get any flex out of your control stick?
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
I see what you mean.and to top it off is a hand-carved Hickory grip. I moved
the stick forward a couple inches (I can do that because of the push rods)
and gave the pilot stick a little shape. The forward cockpit has a straight
stick - otherwise the same.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
Gary Boothe
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
www.aeroelectric.com
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| Subject: | Control stick wood |
Hand cuffs attached to the longerons..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Gary,
There have been reported cases of panicked passengers fighting a PIC for
control and applying forces well above 125#. Have you fully thought out
your passenger-carrying procedure?
Mike Hardaway
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Brian,
The stick is not flight tested, but when I did destructive testing on the
Beta version, it broke at what I estimate to be about 125lbs. I figure that
if I have to pull that hard on my control stick that I have bigger problems
to worry about!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Gary,
Do you get any flex out of your control stick?
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
I see what you mean.and to top it off is a hand-carved Hickory grip. I moved
the stick forward a couple inches (I can do that because of the push rods)
and gave the pilot stick a little shape. The forward cockpit has a straight
stick - otherwise the same.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
Gary Boothe
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
www.aeroelectric.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
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| Subject: | Re: Control stick wood |
Make sure your passengers are young, female, soft and gentle, and above
all, don't work out.
Ought to be okay then.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: mike
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Gary,
There have been reported cases of panicked passengers fighting a PIC
for control and applying forces well above 125#. Have you fully thought
out your passenger-carrying procedure?
Mike Hardaway
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:39 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Brian,
The stick is not flight tested, but when I did destructive testing
on the Beta version, it broke at what I estimate to be about 125lbs. I
figure that if I have to pull that hard on my control stick that I have
bigger problems to worry about!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:52 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Gary,
Do you get any flex out of your control stick?
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:32 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
I see what you mean.and to top it off is a hand-carved Hickory grip.
I moved the stick forward a couple inches (I can do that because of the
push rods) and gave the pilot stick a little shape. The forward cockpit
has a straight stick - otherwise the same.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:10 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
Ryan
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
Gary Boothe
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Gary,
You will just need to carry a second stick with which to bonk the
passenger over the head if they don't let go.
Beautiful work.
Darrel
mike wrote:
> Gary,
> There have been reported cases of panicked passengers fighting a PIC
> for control and applying forces well above 125#. Have you fully
> thought out your passenger-carrying procedure?
> Mike Hardaway
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Gary Boothe
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:39 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
>
> Brian,
>
> The stick is not flight tested, but when I did destructive testing
> on the Beta version, it broke at what I estimate to be about
> 125lbs. I figure that if I have to pull that hard on my control
> stick that I have bigger problems to worry about!
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (16 ribs down)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:52 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
>
> Gary,
>
> Do you get any flex out of your control stick?
>
> Brian
>
> SLC-UT
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Gary Boothe
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:32 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
>
> I see what you meanand to top it off is a hand-carved Hickory
> grip. I moved the stick forward a couple inches (I can do that
> because of the push rods) and gave the pilot stick a little shape.
> The forward cockpit has a straight stick otherwise the same.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (16 ribs down)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Ryan Mueller
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:10 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
>
> That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
>
> Ryan
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net
> <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *www.aeroelectric.com*
>
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| Subject: | Control stick wood |
Maybe a 100# breakaway stick in the front pit, and 200# stick for the pilot?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: mike
Sent: Dec 17, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Gary,
There have been reported cases of panicked passengers fighting a PIC for control
and applying forces well above 125#. Have you fully thought out your passenger-carrying
procedure?
Mike Hardaway
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Brian,
The stick is not flight tested, but when I did destructive testing on the Beta
version, it broke at what I estimate to be about 125lbs. I figure that if I have
to pull that hard on my control stick that I have bigger problems to worry
about!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
Gary,
Do you get any flex out of your control stick?
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
I see what you meanand to top it off is a hand-carved Hickory grip. I moved the
stick forward a couple inches (I can do that because of the push rods) and gave
the pilot stick a little shape. The forward cockpit has a straight stick otherwise
the same.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control stick wood
That sounds like a dessert, not an airplane part! ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
FWIW...mine are laminated Orange Paduka and Maple.
Gary Boothe
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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