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1. 07:09 AM - Fuselage gusset plat (Jack)
2. 07:22 AM - Re: Fuselage gusset plat (Gary Boothe)
3. 07:34 AM - Re: Fuselage gusset plat (Dan Yocum)
4. 08:57 AM - Wedges (Jack)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: Wedges (Gene Rambo)
6. 09:28 AM - Extra Uprights in End Ribs (Dave and Connie)
7. 10:34 AM - Re: WEDGES in fuze gussets (Tim Willis)
8. 10:54 AM - Re: Wedges (Jack Phillips)
9. 03:06 PM - New Member (Wildman)
10. 03:19 PM - Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Gary Boothe)
11. 03:50 PM - Re: New Member (Gene & Tammy)
12. 04:06 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (helspersew@aol.com)
13. 04:17 PM - Re: New Member (Wildman)
14. 04:38 PM - Re: New Member (Jack Phillips)
15. 04:39 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Gary Boothe)
16. 05:41 PM - Re: New Member (Wildman)
17. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: New Member (Jim Markle)
18. 07:53 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Jim)
19. 09:17 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Gary Boothe)
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Subject: | Fuselage gusset plat |
Hello All,
Not being satisfied with the partially built fuselage I acquired I'm
constructing another. I have the side longerons, struts and braces
completed. For the side gusset plates should I extend them above the top
and bottom longerons 1/8 inch?
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
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Subject: | Fuselage gusset plat |
Jack,
No. The turtledeck formers will hide any offset on the top, and both top and
bottom longerons get filler strips between the gussets. Eventually, you will
be slightly rounding all off for a smooth transition around the corner for
the fabric. Besides, even if you do decide that you want the gussets to
overlap, you can do it with the spreader gussets overlapping the side
gussets.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage gusset plat
Hello All,
Not being satisfied with the partially built fuselage I acquired I'm
constructing another. I have the side longerons, struts and braces
completed. For the side gusset plates should I extend them above the top
and bottom longerons 1/8 inch?
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
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Subject: | Re: Fuselage gusset plat |
Jack,
I am not a builder, but looking at the plans in the Flying and Glider
Manual, it doesn't look like the gussets extend above or below the
longerons - they are flush with the edges.
I don't really see the usefulness of extending them either, since the
goal is to mate the longerons to the cross-braces. I think they'd
unnecessarily stretch the fabric at those points...
My 2 cents (which is really only worth about bupkus since I'm not a
builder),
Dan
Jack wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Not being satisfied with the partially built fuselage I acquired Im
> constructing another. I have the side longerons, struts and braces
> completed. For the side gusset plates should I extend them above the
> top and bottom longerons 1/8 inch?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
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Well while I'm at it.for the fuselage sides are people using wedges on all
joints between gusset plates? Or just on joints forward of the rear seat?
Thanks once again,
Jack
DSM
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just the forward ones, they are there for the bolts for the struts/gear
fittings.
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wedges
Well while I'm at it.for the fuselage sides are people using wedges on
all joints between gusset plates? Or just on joints forward of the rear
seat?
Thanks once again,
Jack
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Subject: | Extra Uprights in End Ribs |
Time to modify the jig and glue up my end ribs. The end ribs call for
extra uprights on Drawing 5.
I am planning on the 3 piece wing so I am assuming that I need to make 6
of the modified end ribs. Correct?
The callout on the plans points to 3 extra uprights but there 5 dashed
in on the rib. Are there 5?
The aft upright that is sketched in crosses the long diagonal between
the rear spar and the aileron upright. Should this upright be two
pieces or is is a single piece on the side of the rib?
1" or 1 1/2" long gussets for all? What about the intersecting upright
at the rear?
My assumptions are 6 ribs with 5 extra uprights. Make the rear one out
of 2 pieces. 1"x1 1/2" gussets on everything except the intersection.
Use a 1 1/2" diamond shape for that one.
Dave
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Subject: | re: WEDGES in fuze gussets |
Jack,
Besides what is in the plans for wedges at the fuze gussets, you likely need
to do something both under and behind the pilot's seat, as well, likely incorporating
wedges in gussets and other seatbelt-related hardware. This is a place
that the fuze can break in a hard landing, as the pilot weight puts a shear
point halfway between the aft main gear leg and the tailwheel attach points.
You don't want to drill through the longerons to attach all this stuff, so
wedges and gussets make a lot of sense there.
You may also want to add wedges wherever you have seatbelt or shoulder harness
cables attach points, or lift handles to move the tail around by hand. These
will be at stations behind the passenger seat or near the tail. Of course,
some of these attach points can do double duty.
Tim in central TX
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Just the joints where the landing gear struts and lift struts attach.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wedges
Well while I'm at it.for the fuselage sides are people using wedges on all
joints between gusset plates? Or just on joints forward of the rear seat?
Thanks once again,
Jack
DSM
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Hi everyone, I am a new member and have a Pietenpol Aerial Biplane. It has been
a very rocky start so far. I bought it and loaded the wings in a U-haul and
the fuselage on a trailer. On the way home a strap broke and the fuselage came
off and was destroyed. I am presently re-building it. This time I am using
4130 chrome molly steel. I have plans, but the supplement plans for the biplane
conversion are missing. If anyone has a set that I can purchase it would be
great.
This is a great site and I am very happy to be here.
Wade from Tennessee
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Pietenpol Aerial
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Subject: | Progress from Cool Propeller Co. |
Happy New Year to All,
So far I have spent 3 weekends on this project. Many thanks to Dan Helsper
and PF Beck!! Before anyone gets too liberal with the congratulations, I am
keenly aware that, until this thing is actually swinging on the end of an
engine, it's nothing more than a potential wall clock, at best!! Still have
the hub to drill out, final sanding and balancing, and varnish.
BTW.What a LOT of filing and sanding!! Another one of these and I can throw
away the Bow-Flex.I'll be looking like Popeye!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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Welcome Wade. Where in Tennessee?
Gene
N502R In WINDY Tennessee
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> Wade from Tennessee
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Subject: | Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. |
Gary,
VEEEEEEERRRRRRRRY nice looking prop!!. Very sleek and sensual looking. Don
't tell my wife, but after I was done with mine, I stroked it many times,
and it was almost as exciting as,... well..., you know. I'll bet you hav
e a real sense of satisfaction from this whole experience.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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I live in a little town called Oneida, about 60 miles north of Knoxville.
Wade
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Pietenpol Aerial
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Hi Wade,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols, and Pietenpol people.
What engine are you planning on using? Are the wings finished?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wildman
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member
Hi everyone, I am a new member and have a Pietenpol Aerial Biplane. It has
been a very rocky start so far. I bought it and loaded the wings in a
U-haul and the fuselage on a trailer. On the way home a strap broke and the
fuselage came off and was destroyed. I am presently re-building it. This
time I am using 4130 chrome molly steel. I have plans, but the supplement
plans for the biplane conversion are missing. If anyone has a set that I can
purchase it would be great.
This is a great site and I am very happy to be here.
Wade from Tennessee
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Pietenpol Aerial
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278953#278953
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Subject: | Progress from Cool Propeller Co. |
Well..I wasn't going to say anything, but...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co.
Gary,
VEEEEEEERRRRRRRRY nice looking prop!!. Very sleek and sensual looking. Don't
tell my wife, but after I was done with mine, I stroked it many times, and
it was almost as exciting as,... well..., you know. I'll bet you have a
real sense of satisfaction from this whole experience.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Wings are finished and painted. I am using a Lycoming 0-290-G engine. I hope to
fly it this summer. I just need to put controls and other components on the fuselage,
cover and paint it.
Wade
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Pietenpol Aerial
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There's a nice Pietenpol Air Camper (or was a few years back) at a little airport
south of Knoxville. Belongs to Tom Lester.
Really a nice fellow and worth the trip to see his Air Camper and meet him. The
airport is (you probably already know this..) at Alcoa Hwy and W Governor John
Sevier Hwy.
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Wildman <scrambler13@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 27, 2009 4:16 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member
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>I live in a little town called Oneida, about 60 miles north of Knoxville.
>
>Wade
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>Pietenpol Aerial
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>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278959#278959
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Subject: | Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. |
Gary that is a nice looking prop. Looks like you did a nice job of finishing and
shaping it. Are you going to wait for final cut to length until you get
the Corvair fired up? Final balancing and varnishing will give you something
to really look at and enjoy.
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Dec 27, 2009, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Happy New Year to All,
So far I have spent 3 weekends on this project. Many thanks to Dan Helsper and
PF Beck!! Before anyone gets too liberal with the congratulations, I am keenly
aware that, until this thing is actually swinging on the end of an engine, its
nothing more than a potential wall clock, at best!! Still have the hub to drill
out, final sanding and balancing, and varnish.
BTWWhat a LOT of filing and sanding!! Another one of these and I can throw away
the Bow-FlexIll be looking like Popeye!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done,Fuselageon gear
(16 ribs down)
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Subject: | Progress from Cool Propeller Co. |
Jim,
Yes, I will leave the length at 66" until I get a chance to fly it (assuming
it lasts that long!). I really hope to fire up the Corvair at the Spring
time Corvair College. How about you? You must be ready, too...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co.
Gary that is a nice looking prop. Looks like you did a nice job of
finishing and shaping it. Are you going to wait for final cut to length
until you get the Corvair fired up? Final balancing and varnishing will
give you something to really look at and enjoy.
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Dec 27, 2009, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Happy New Year to All,
So far I have spent 3 weekends on this project. Many thanks to Dan Helsper
and PF Beck!! Before anyone gets too liberal with the congratulations, I am
keenly aware that, until this thing is actually swinging on the end of an
engine, its nothing more than a potential wall clock, at best!! Still have
the hub to drill out, final sanding and balancing, and varnish.
BTWWhat a LOT of filing and sanding!! Another one of these and I can throw
away the Bow-FlexIll be looking like Popeye!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done,Fuselageon gear
(16 ribs down)
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