---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/27/09: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:09 AM - Fuselage gusset plat (Jack) 2. 07:22 AM - Re: Fuselage gusset plat (Gary Boothe) 3. 07:34 AM - Re: Fuselage gusset plat (Dan Yocum) 4. 08:57 AM - Wedges (Jack) 5. 09:11 AM - Re: Wedges (Gene Rambo) 6. 09:28 AM - Extra Uprights in End Ribs (Dave and Connie) 7. 10:34 AM - Re: WEDGES in fuze gussets (Tim Willis) 8. 10:54 AM - Re: Wedges (Jack Phillips) 9. 03:06 PM - New Member (Wildman) 10. 03:19 PM - Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Gary Boothe) 11. 03:50 PM - Re: New Member (Gene & Tammy) 12. 04:06 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (helspersew@aol.com) 13. 04:17 PM - Re: New Member (Wildman) 14. 04:38 PM - Re: New Member (Jack Phillips) 15. 04:39 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Gary Boothe) 16. 05:41 PM - Re: New Member (Wildman) 17. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: New Member (Jim Markle) 18. 07:53 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Jim) 19. 09:17 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:48 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage gusset plat Hello All, Not being satisfied with the partially built fuselage I acquired I'm constructing another. I have the side longerons, struts and braces completed. For the side gusset plates should I extend them above the top and bottom longerons 1/8 inch? Thanks! Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:43 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage gusset plat Jack, No. The turtledeck formers will hide any offset on the top, and both top and bottom longerons get filler strips between the gussets. Eventually, you will be slightly rounding all off for a smooth transition around the corner for the fabric. Besides, even if you do decide that you want the gussets to overlap, you can do it with the spreader gussets overlapping the side gussets. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage gusset plat Hello All, Not being satisfied with the partially built fuselage I acquired I'm constructing another. I have the side longerons, struts and braces completed. For the side gusset plates should I extend them above the top and bottom longerons 1/8 inch? Thanks! Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:05 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage gusset plat Jack, I am not a builder, but looking at the plans in the Flying and Glider Manual, it doesn't look like the gussets extend above or below the longerons - they are flush with the edges. I don't really see the usefulness of extending them either, since the goal is to mate the longerons to the cross-braces. I think they'd unnecessarily stretch the fabric at those points... My 2 cents (which is really only worth about bupkus since I'm not a builder), Dan Jack wrote: > Hello All, > > Not being satisfied with the partially built fuselage I acquired Im > constructing another. I have the side longerons, struts and braces > completed. For the side gusset plates should I extend them above the > top and bottom longerons 1/8 inch? > > Thanks! > > Jack > > DSM > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:13 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wedges Well while I'm at it.for the fuselage sides are people using wedges on all joints between gusset plates? Or just on joints forward of the rear seat? Thanks once again, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:19 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wedges just the forward ones, they are there for the bolts for the struts/gear fittings. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wedges Well while I'm at it.for the fuselage sides are people using wedges on all joints between gusset plates? Or just on joints forward of the rear seat? Thanks once again, Jack DSM www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:08 AM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra Uprights in End Ribs Time to modify the jig and glue up my end ribs. The end ribs call for extra uprights on Drawing 5. I am planning on the 3 piece wing so I am assuming that I need to make 6 of the modified end ribs. Correct? The callout on the plans points to 3 extra uprights but there 5 dashed in on the rib. Are there 5? The aft upright that is sketched in crosses the long diagonal between the rear spar and the aileron upright. Should this upright be two pieces or is is a single piece on the side of the rib? 1" or 1 1/2" long gussets for all? What about the intersecting upright at the rear? My assumptions are 6 ribs with 5 extra uprights. Make the rear one out of 2 pieces. 1"x1 1/2" gussets on everything except the intersection. Use a 1 1/2" diamond shape for that one. Dave ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:04 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: WEDGES in fuze gussets Jack, Besides what is in the plans for wedges at the fuze gussets, you likely need to do something both under and behind the pilot's seat, as well, likely incorporating wedges in gussets and other seatbelt-related hardware. This is a place that the fuze can break in a hard landing, as the pilot weight puts a shear point halfway between the aft main gear leg and the tailwheel attach points. You don't want to drill through the longerons to attach all this stuff, so wedges and gussets make a lot of sense there. You may also want to add wedges wherever you have seatbelt or shoulder harness cables attach points, or lift handles to move the tail around by hand. These will be at stations behind the passenger seat or near the tail. Of course, some of these attach points can do double duty. Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:31 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wedges Just the joints where the landing gear struts and lift struts attach. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wedges Well while I'm at it.for the fuselage sides are people using wedges on all joints between gusset plates? Or just on joints forward of the rear seat? Thanks once again, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member From: "Wildman" Hi everyone, I am a new member and have a Pietenpol Aerial Biplane. It has been a very rocky start so far. I bought it and loaded the wings in a U-haul and the fuselage on a trailer. On the way home a strap broke and the fuselage came off and was destroyed. I am presently re-building it. This time I am using 4130 chrome molly steel. I have plans, but the supplement plans for the biplane conversion are missing. If anyone has a set that I can purchase it would be great. This is a great site and I am very happy to be here. Wade from Tennessee -------- Pietenpol Aerial Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278953#278953 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:41 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Happy New Year to All, So far I have spent 3 weekends on this project. Many thanks to Dan Helsper and PF Beck!! Before anyone gets too liberal with the congratulations, I am keenly aware that, until this thing is actually swinging on the end of an engine, it's nothing more than a potential wall clock, at best!! Still have the hub to drill out, final sanding and balancing, and varnish. BTW.What a LOT of filing and sanding!! Another one of these and I can throw away the Bow-Flex.I'll be looking like Popeye!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:31 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Member Welcome Wade. Where in Tennessee? Gene N502R In WINDY Tennessee a > > Wade from Tennessee > > -------- > Pietenpol Aerial > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278953#278953 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 09:18:00 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. From: helspersew@aol.com Gary, VEEEEEEERRRRRRRRY nice looking prop!!. Very sleek and sensual looking. Don 't tell my wife, but after I was done with mine, I stroked it many times, and it was almost as exciting as,... well..., you know. I'll bet you hav e a real sense of satisfaction from this whole experience. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member From: "Wildman" I live in a little town called Oneida, about 60 miles north of Knoxville. Wade -------- Pietenpol Aerial Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278959#278959 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:15 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Member Hi Wade, Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols, and Pietenpol people. What engine are you planning on using? Are the wings finished? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wildman Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 6:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member Hi everyone, I am a new member and have a Pietenpol Aerial Biplane. It has been a very rocky start so far. I bought it and loaded the wings in a U-haul and the fuselage on a trailer. On the way home a strap broke and the fuselage came off and was destroyed. I am presently re-building it. This time I am using 4130 chrome molly steel. I have plans, but the supplement plans for the biplane conversion are missing. If anyone has a set that I can purchase it would be great. This is a great site and I am very happy to be here. Wade from Tennessee -------- Pietenpol Aerial Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278953#278953 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:54 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Well..I wasn't going to say anything, but... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Gary, VEEEEEEERRRRRRRRY nice looking prop!!. Very sleek and sensual looking. Don't tell my wife, but after I was done with mine, I stroked it many times, and it was almost as exciting as,... well..., you know. I'll bet you have a real sense of satisfaction from this whole experience. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member From: "Wildman" Wings are finished and painted. I am using a Lycoming 0-290-G engine. I hope to fly it this summer. I just need to put controls and other components on the fuselage, cover and paint it. Wade -------- Pietenpol Aerial Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278967#278967 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:26 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member There's a nice Pietenpol Air Camper (or was a few years back) at a little airport south of Knoxville. Belongs to Tom Lester. Really a nice fellow and worth the trip to see his Air Camper and meet him. The airport is (you probably already know this..) at Alcoa Hwy and W Governor John Sevier Hwy. JM -----Original Message----- >From: Wildman >Sent: Dec 27, 2009 4:16 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member > > >I live in a little town called Oneida, about 60 miles north of Knoxville. > >Wade > >-------- >Pietenpol Aerial > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278959#278959 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:30 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Gary that is a nice looking prop. Looks like you did a nice job of finishing and shaping it. Are you going to wait for final cut to length until you get the Corvair fired up? Final balancing and varnishing will give you something to really look at and enjoy. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 27, 2009, Gary Boothe wrote: Happy New Year to All, So far I have spent 3 weekends on this project. Many thanks to Dan Helsper and PF Beck!! Before anyone gets too liberal with the congratulations, I am keenly aware that, until this thing is actually swinging on the end of an engine, its nothing more than a potential wall clock, at best!! Still have the hub to drill out, final sanding and balancing, and varnish. BTWWhat a LOT of filing and sanding!! Another one of these and I can throw away the Bow-FlexIll be looking like Popeye!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done,Fuselageon gear (16 ribs down) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:34 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Jim, Yes, I will leave the length at 66" until I get a chance to fly it (assuming it lasts that long!). I really hope to fire up the Corvair at the Spring time Corvair College. How about you? You must be ready, too... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Gary that is a nice looking prop. Looks like you did a nice job of finishing and shaping it. Are you going to wait for final cut to length until you get the Corvair fired up? Final balancing and varnishing will give you something to really look at and enjoy. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 27, 2009, Gary Boothe wrote: Happy New Year to All, So far I have spent 3 weekends on this project. Many thanks to Dan Helsper and PF Beck!! Before anyone gets too liberal with the congratulations, I am keenly aware that, until this thing is actually swinging on the end of an engine, its nothing more than a potential wall clock, at best!! Still have the hub to drill out, final sanding and balancing, and varnish. BTWWhat a LOT of filing and sanding!! Another one of these and I can throw away the Bow-FlexIll be looking like Popeye!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. 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