---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/28/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:21 AM - Re: New Member (Wildman) 2. 06:08 AM - New Member (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 06:49 AM - Re: New Member (Tim Willis) 4. 10:21 AM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (K5YAC) 5. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Jim) 6. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Michael Perez) 7. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Gary Boothe) 8. 01:17 PM - wedges in fuselage gussets (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 9. 03:27 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (airlion) 10. 03:40 PM - Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Gary Boothe) 11. 06:55 PM - Speaking of Props and Bikinis... (Gary Boothe) 12. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 13. 08:06 PM - Re: Speaking of Props and Bikinis... (Dave and Connie) 14. 09:35 PM - Re: Speaking of Props and Bikinis... (Jim) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member From: "Wildman" I'm familiar with the airport but didn't know anyone their had an Aircamper. I will make it a point to stop by and see if I can meet him. Thanks for that info. Wade -------- Pietenpol Aerial Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278980#278980 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:45 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member Wade wrote: >I am a new member and have a Pietenpol Aerial Biplane. Welcome to the list, Wade! A lot of great resources here, but not too many have experience with your biplane version. Ask away, though... it's really just a Piet with an extra set of wings. The ones I have seen and heard of were powered by the O-290 so it sounds like you have the right engine up there. The only other active Aerial builder that I know of on this list has an inline ENMA Tigre engine on his. I forget which it is... there was a 125HP and a 150HP. And as a minor point, the Aerial is the brainchild of a fellow named Chad Wille, d/b/a "St. Croix Aircraft", so what you actually have there is not a "Pietenpol Aerial" but rather a "St. Croix Aerial". Glad to have you aboard. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:44 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Member Wade, glad to hear that you are continuing with the project. Good luck and good building. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Wildman >Sent: Dec 27, 2009 5:06 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member > > >Hi everyone, I am a new member and have a Pietenpol Aerial Biplane. It has been a very rocky start so far. I bought it and loaded the wings in a U-haul and the fuselage on a trailer. On the way home a strap broke and the fuselage came off and was destroyed. I am presently re-building it. This time I am using 4130 chrome molly steel. I have plans, but the supplement plans for the biplane conversion are missing. If anyone has a set that I can purchase it would be great. > >This is a great site and I am very happy to be here. > >Wade from Tennessee > >-------- >Pietenpol Aerial > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278953#278953 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. From: "K5YAC" Yep, that is indeed a "Cool" prop you've got there. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279006#279006 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:22 AM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Gary, Yes, but I do have to put on the oil sump and oil pan both of which I have. The engine will then be complete. I have a warp drive prop for the engine now but have the prop hub and dynamo all mounted so about one weekend to mount parts and check everything over and run my drill for preoiling and it should fire right up (I hope). Jim Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 27, 2009, Gary Boothe wrote: Jim, Yes, I will leave the length at 66" until I get a chance to fly it (assuming it lasts that long!). I really hope to fire up the Corvair at the Spring time Corvair College. How about you? You must be ready, too... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Gary that is a nice looking prop. Looks like you did a nice job of finishing and shaping it. Are you going to wait for final cut to length until you get the Corvair fired up? Final balancing and varnishing will give you something to really look at and enjoy. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 27, 2009, Gary Boothe wrote: Happy New Year to All, So far I have spent 3 weekends on this project. Many thanks to Dan Helsper and PF Beck!! Before anyone gets too liberal with the congratulations, I am keenly aware that, until this thing is actually swinging on the end of an engine, its nothing more than a potential wall clock, at best!! Still have the hub to drill out, final sanding and balancing, and varnish. BTWWhat a LOT of filing and sanding!! Another one of these and I can throw away the Bow-FlexIll be looking like Popeye!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done,Fuselageon gear (16 ribs down) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:16 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Gary, I am very impressed with anyone who has/will be taking on the task of making their own prop. It is something I would have never considered, but now, it is in the back of my head to try it. When I get to that point, (and depending on how yours flies...8^)- I may be in contact with you for som e pointers!- Very, very cool...keep us posted! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:59 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Michael, Thank you! Of course I am happy to talk about any part of my favorite subject! For now, though, you can always consult with both Dan Helsper and PF Beck. PF is currently flying his second home made prop (Corvair powered Piet), and has, I think, flown two other props on that plane. pfbeck@bellsouth.net, helspersew@aol.com. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Gary, I am very impressed with anyone who has/will be taking on the task of making their own prop. It is something I would have never considered, but now, it is in the back of my head to try it. When I get to that point, (and depending on how yours flies...8^) I may be in contact with you for some pointers! Very, very cool...keep us posted! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:28 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wedges in fuselage gussets I also installed triangular blocks of wood between the plywood gussets at the four motor mount locations. Perhaps that is shown on the plans--- I forget but they are there on my airframe. Photos at Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:46 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. I am impressed Gary. I have mahogany glued up but have not figured out how to get started on the measuring and cutting. Gardiner --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Gary Boothe wrote: From: Gary Boothe Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHappy New Year to All, =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ASo far I have spent 3 weekends on this project. Many thanks=0Ato Dan Helsper and PF Beck!! Before anyone gets too liberal with the=0Acongratulat ions, I am keenly aware that, until this thing is actually swinging=0Aon th e end of an engine, it=99s nothing more than a potential wall clock, =0Aat best!! Still have the hub to drill out, final sanding and balancing, and=0Avarnish. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ABTWWhat a LOT of filing and san ding!! Another one of=0Athese and I can throw away the Bow-FlexI =99ll be looking like=0APopeye!! =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AGary Boothe =0A=0ACool, Ca. =0A=0AP ietenpol =0A=0AWW Corvair Conversion, mounted =0A=0ATail done,=C2-Fuselag e=C2-on=0Agear =0A=0A(16 ribs down) =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:47 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Have you got Dan's CD? It pretty much walks you thru it. I used the methods that Dan talks about, and the one's that PF Beck sent to me. PF has a helpful 2 page review that he'll send you for free, + a case of Johnny Walker Red (just kidding). Between those 2 guys you will get all the help you need. You will recognized that I copied PF's profile. Mahogany should make a beautiful prop! And much easier to work than Hickory. :-0 Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. I am impressed Gary. I have mahogany glued up but have not figured out how to get started on the measuring and cutting. Gardiner --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Gary Boothe wrote: From: Gary Boothe Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Happy New Year to All, So far I have spent 3 weekends on this project. Many thanks to Dan Helsper and PF Beck!! Before anyone gets too liberal with the congratulations, I am keenly aware that, until this thing is actually swinging on the end of an engine, it's nothing more than a potential wall clock, at best!! Still have the hub to drill out, final sanding and balancing, and varnish. BTW.What a LOT of filing and sanding!! Another one of these and I can throw away the Bow-Flex.I'll be looking like Popeye!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:23 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Props and Bikinis... List, I knew that would get your attention! But it was Dan Helsper who brought up the =93sensuality=94 of props. It got me to thinking=85. Not to be coy, as I have received many kudos for even attempting a prop, but I was =91unfulfilled=92 with the area at the hub-to-blades, and it wasn=92t until Dan=92s remark that I started looking at it in a whole new light. Here, I=92ve been thinking of airfoils, pitch lines, strength ' with my head totally up in the clouds ' when the answer is right here on Earth=85in the gutter! That=92s right, once I got my mind in the gutter, where I do my best thinking, I realized the problem: My prop was like a bikini model=85with thick ankles (not that there=92s anything wrong with thick ankles!), but I was looking for something different. After all; take a look at this picture: Tell me that doesn=92t scream, =93FRENCH BIKINI=94!! As most of you know, that=92s Dan=92s prop. That=92s sexy. I don=92t care who you are! PF Beck has apparantly figured this out, too, but I couldn=92t get a good read on the profile of the blades, though I knew I liked the look of his. The difficulty is knowing how a trace pattern of the profile really translates to the overall look of the prop. Trial and error, I guess. So, with maximum Pucker Factor, I did two things: 1) I put the prop back on the table saw and cut the thickness from 3 =BE=94 to 3 =BC=94! (same thickness as PF=92s=85.just copy success, right?) 2) I slendered up the =91ankles=92. In fact, I removed exactly 1 lb of material ' from 10.6 to 9.6 lbs! Total time on the =91re-figuring=92=85about 3 hours So here=92s the final results=85who wants to be a bikini judge? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down=85) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:52 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. Just a thot for practice. I won a prop at an EAA chapter raffle for a $2 ticket. The maker "Otto" made this prop as a practice prop and it has 4 layers. He told me that the final prop had 8 layers. He also warned me that mine is simply a wall hanger and should not even be considered for a club! OT at Paradise airport South of Oklahoma City, is a company that does a lot of prop work. They havea lot of wood "lasts" (I think that is the correct term for the model used as a template) for props. Very interesting. I bought my Beechcraft 215 electric prop from the old man who had established the company. His son ran it when I bought my prop. Blue Skies and admiration for prop makers. , Steve D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. > Michael, > > > > Thank you! Of course I am happy to talk about any part of my favorite > subject! For now, though, you can always consult with both Dan > Helsper and > PF Beck. PF is currently flying his second home made prop (Corvair > poweredPiet), and has, I think, flown two other props on that plane. > pfbeck@bellsouth.net, helspersew@aol.com. > > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (16 ribs down.) > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > MichaelPerez > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:57 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress from Cool Propeller Co. > > > > > > > Gary, I am very impressed with anyone who has/will be taking on > the task of > making their own prop. It is something I would have never > considered, but > now, it is in the back of my head to try it. When I get to that > point, (and > depending on how yours flies...8^) I may be in contact with you > for some > pointers! Very, very cool...keep us posted! > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:00 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Props and Bikinis... I like it! Dave Gary Boothe wrote: > > List, > > I knew that would get your attention! > > But it was Dan Helsper who brought up the sensuality of props. It > got me to thinking. > > Not to be coy, as I have received many kudos for even attempting a > prop, but I was unfulfilled with the area at the hub-to-blades, and > it wasnt until Dans remark that I started looking at it in a whole > new light. Here, Ive been thinking of airfoils, pitch lines, strength > with my head totally up in the clouds when the answer is right > here on Earthin the gutter! Thats right, once I got my mind in the > gutter, where I do my best thinking, I realized the problem: My prop > was like a bikini modelwith thick ankles (not that theres anything > wrong with thick ankles!), but I was looking for something different. > After all; take a look at this picture: > > Tell me that doesnt scream, FRENCH BIKINI!! As most of you know, > thats Dans prop. Thats sexy. I dont care who you are! > > PF Beck has apparantly figured this out, too, but I couldnt get a > good read on the profile of the blades, though I knew I liked the look > of his. The difficulty is knowing how a trace pattern of the profile > really translates to the overall look of the prop. Trial and error, I > guess. > > So, with maximum Pucker Factor, I did two things: > > 1) I put the prop back on the table saw and cut the thickness from 3 > to 3 ! (same thickness as PFs.just copy success, right?) > > 2) I slendered up the ankles. In fact, I removed exactly 1 lb of > material from 10.6 to 9.6 lbs! > > Total time on the re-figuringabout 3 hours > > So heres the final resultswho wants to be a bikini judge? > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (16 ribs down) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:24 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Props and Bikinis... Definitely has more curves to it now. The prop hub to blade junction (waist to hip) has a nicer curve with a sexy curved (leg) blade. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 28, 2009, Gary Boothe wrote: List, I knew that would get your attention! But it was Dan Helsper who brought up the sensuality of props. It got me to thinking. Not to be coy, as I have received many kudos for even attempting a prop, but I was unfulfilled with the area at the hub-to-blades, and it wasnt until Dans remark that I started looking at it in a whole new light. Here, Ive been thinking of airfoils, pitch lines, strength with my head totally up in the clouds when the answer is right here on Earthin the gutter! Thats right, once I got my mind in the gutter, where I do my best thinking, I realized the problem: My prop was like a bikini modelwith thick ankles (not that theres anything wrong with thick ankles!), but I was looking for something different. After all; take a look at this picture: Tell me that doesnt scream, FRENCH BIKINI!! As most of you know, thats Dans prop. Thats sexy. I dont care who you are! PF Beck has apparantly figured this out, too, but I couldnt get a good read on the profile of the blades, though I knew I liked the look of his. The difficulty is knowing how a trace pattern of the profile really translates to the overall look of the prop. Trial and error, I guess. So, with maximum Pucker Factor, I did two things: 1) I put the prop back on the table saw and cut the thickness from 3 to 3 ! (same thickness as PFs.just copy success, right?) 2) I slendered up the ankles. In fact, I removed exactly 1 lb of material from 10.6 to 9.6 lbs! Total time on the re-figuringabout 3 hours So heres the final resultswho wants to be a bikini judge? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. 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