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1. 01:31 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Peter W Johnson)
2. 04:34 AM - Re: crankcase sealant question A-65 (Dick N)
3. 04:45 AM - Re: wood gear (gcardinal)
4. 05:44 AM - Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- from Russia, Wit (taildrags)
5. 06:34 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Barry Davis)
6. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- nurse (John Recine)
7. 07:02 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (taildrags)
8. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- nurse (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- from Russia, Wit (Dan Yocum)
10. 07:34 AM - Re: crankcase sealant question A-65 (Ryan Mueller)
11. 07:35 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Jeff Boatright)
12. 07:37 AM - Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- from Russia, Wi (taildrags)
13. 08:02 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Barry Davis)
14. 08:43 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Gary Boothe)
15. 08:45 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Jeff Boatright)
16. 09:05 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Michael Groah)
17. 09:09 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Michael Groah)
18. 09:48 AM - Centre wing section & fuel tank (Marc Dumay)
19. 09:49 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Gary Boothe)
20. 11:04 AM - Re: Centre wing section & fuel tank (Gary Boothe)
21. 11:55 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Barry Davis)
22. 12:52 PM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Rick Holland)
23. 01:45 PM - Center section covering (Rick Holland)
24. 02:09 PM - Fuselage Gussets (Jack)
25. 06:23 PM - Fuselage Gussets (Oscar Zuniga)
26. 06:58 PM - Center section covering (Oscar Zuniga)
27. 07:48 PM - Re: wood gear (Gene Rambo)
28. 07:58 PM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Darrel Jones)
29. 08:25 PM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (Dan Yocum)
30. 08:51 PM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Michael Groah)
31. 08:53 PM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Michael Groah)
32. 09:52 PM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (Peter W Johnson)
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Mike,
Check out http://www.cpc-world.com for some pictures on where I mounted
mine.
Go to "Engine Construction" -> "Engine Cooling".
It worked well for me.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Wednesday, 30 December 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
For those Piets with Corvairs.....
Have any of you Corvair powered Pieters remote mounted your oil cooler? If
so where did you put it and how did you mount it/duct air to it? I have
some ideas and concept sketches but I figured I'd see what others are doing
before I reinvent everything.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
Sprayed a coat of clear on my cockpit today and welded up my intake
manifold.
Tomorrow: Prep engine cooling scoops, intake, battery box, and probably
some other items for paint.
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| Subject: | Re: crankcase sealant question A-65 |
Hi Ben
I just did a Google search under "Locktite 515" and quite a few sources came
up with that product. My opinion is best to go with manufacture specs.
Dick N.
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From: "Ben Charvet" <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: crankcase sealant question A-65
>
> I'm having a hard time finding any Loctite 515, as specified in the TCM
> SIL99-2B document to seal my crankcase halves (A-65). Since this is going
> in a Pietenpol, I guess I don't have to use exactly what they specify, but
> I was wondering what others have used with success, besides the Permatex
> #3 Aviation/Loctite 515/silk thread to seal their crankcase halves.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
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Hi Tom,
My vote goes to the wood landing gear. It vastly improves the airplane's
"ramp appeal".
Jack gave the reason for the lower block angle.
Greg Cardinal
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear
Still trying to decide between the wood gear and cub style.
My question about the wood gear is, what is the importance of the
lower block aiming at the tailwheel? I don't get it. Couldn't it just
be straight? Wouldn't that make things simpler to build? I'm not
trying to go against tradition or originality, but I just don't
understand why this is important. Can anyone enlighten me?
Thanks,
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- from Russia, |
Wit
Mikee, you're shaking the wrong trees. Find you a nice Yankee girl that knows
her propellers, maybe a nurse...
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279196#279196
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
This is our installation on the Big Piets. I will post another pic in
greater detail, but you can see some in this pic. There is an extension out
the back of the eyebrow that sends air down thru the oil cooler in the stock
location which keeps everything very simple. 4 of the 6 Big Piets are flying
and some have acculimated about 25 hours. Cooling has not been a concern at
all with this setup.
I'll take a more detailed pic after the holidays.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
For those Piets with Corvairs.....
Have any of you Corvair powered Pieters remote mounted your oil cooler? If
so where did you put it and how did you mount it/duct air to it? I have
some ideas and concept sketches but I figured I'd see what others are doing
before I reinvent everything.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
Sprayed a coat of clear on my cockpit today and welded up my intake
manifold.
Tomorrow: Prep engine cooling scoops, intake, battery box, and probably
some other items for paint.
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| Subject: | Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- nurse |
The problem with the nurses is that they attribute all my difficulties,problems
and lifes issues to being visual in nature.
My wife has said on more than one occasion, more like every occasion where she
has become aware of challenging life event that I am or we are faced with; it
becomes visual cause and she let's me know that by clearly articulating her situational
assessment of the root cause "see, see what happens when you don't listen
to me"!
I am taking that as, the nursing diagnosis, that all problems are a visually related
thing!
John
Do not archive
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From: taildrags
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- from Russia,
Wit
Sent: Dec 30, 2009 8:43 AM
Mikee, you're shaking the wrong trees. Find you a nice Yankee girl that knows
her propellers, maybe a nurse...
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279196#279196
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
You asked for *remote* oil cooler installations, right? Here's what William Wynne
had on his Piet.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279207#279207
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| Subject: | Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- nurse |
I hear 'ya John!
Tom
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>>> "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com> 12/30/2009 8:52 AM >>>
The problem with the nurses is that they attribute all my difficulties,prob
lems and lifes issues to being visual in nature.
My wife has said on more than one occasion, more like every occasion where
she has become aware of challenging life event that I am or we are faced
with; it becomes visual cause and she let's me know that by clearly
articulating her situational assessment of the root cause "see, see what
happens when you don't listen to me"!
I am taking that as, the nursing diagnosis, that all problems are a
visually related thing!
John
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| Subject: | Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- from |
Russia, Wit
Oscar,
Part of your image didn't come through - I can't see the landing gear or
the type of wheels they chose on that Camel. I also can't see what kind
of shock absorption they chose - bungees or springs? Does it have disc
or drum and strap brakes? Smooth or grooved tires?
I'm sure everyone would like to know the answers to these and other
questions about that plane.
;-)
Dan
do NOT archive
taildrags wrote:
>
> Mikee, you're shaking the wrong trees. Find you a nice Yankee girl that knows
her propellers, maybe a nurse...
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279196#279196
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_147.jpg
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>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: crankcase sealant question A-65 |
Ben,
I would recommend getting it from McMaster Carr....you have to pay shipping
as opposed to if you found it locally, but the time saved in searching for
it will probably be worth a couple bucks. I picked up some Loctite 620
(could not find it locally) from them a little while back for the Corvair.
http://www.mcmaster.com/
...and search for 'loctite 515'. Three sizes available. Have a good day,
Ryan
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I'm having a hard time finding any Loctite 515, as specified in the TCM
> SIL99-2B document to seal my crankcase halves (A-65). Since this is going
> in a Pietenpol, I guess I don't have to use exactly what they specify, but I
> was wondering what others have used with success, besides the Permatex #3
> Aviation/Loctite 515/silk thread to seal their crankcase halves.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Barry,
That is a fantastically clean engine installation! Congrats. Did you
guys make the eyebrows?
Jeff
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: my last girlfriend before the Pietenpol---- from Russia, |
Wi
Dan: like Mike, you're shaking the wrong trees ;o)
Anyway, back in better times, there was more left to the imagination and it made
daydreaming a lot more pleasant. Now I'll bet if you use your imagination you'll
do just fine figuring out all about the tyres, brakes, flying wires, and
other details of that Camel.
And don't worry about that propeller blade being in too close a proximity to the
lovely lady's hinder parts. She'll move when the pilot shouts 'CLEAR PROP!'
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279217#279217
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Yep, they have the wire rolled in on the edges. Not really very hard to do.
Barry
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Barry,
That is a fantastically clean engine installation! Congrats. Did you guys
make the eyebrows?
Jeff
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Barry,
Can you tell us how, or where, to find info on rolling wire into the edges?
Thanks for the pic. As you see, I have more to do...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Yep, they have the wire rolled in on the edges. Not really very hard to do.
Barry
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Barry,
That is a fantastically clean engine installation! Congrats. Did you guys
make the eyebrows?
Jeff
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Is there a write-up somewhere on how to make them with the wire
rolled in the edges?
>
>Yep, they have the wire rolled in on the edges. Not really very hard to do.
>Barry
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
I agree the engine looks great Barry. Do you have any cowling pics of your plane?
I'd like to see some pics of how you did the cowling with the corvair and
scoops. My plan has always been to remote mount the oil cooler (maybe under
the engine) and thus I've made some cooling scoops already like you with the wired
edge and all. (you're right it's not that hard to do-but it is easier with
the right tools.)
A big thank you to everyone who has responded to my call for assistance. If anyone
comes up with other pics or ideas or remote mounted oil coolers or corvair
cowls with the scoops, send them my way.
Thanks
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
(going to go help my father-in-law work on his RV8A today, but I hope to get back
in time to get a little Piet work in today)
________________________________
From: Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 8:01:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Yep, they have the wire rolled in on the edges. Not really very hard to do.
Barry
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Barry,
That is a fantastically clean engine installation! Congrats. Did you guys
make the eyebrows?
Jeff
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
I don't know what Barry did, but I used my bead roller to start the roll, put the
wire in and then used the bead roller to continue the roll around the wire.
The last bit was some hammer forming. I did try it with just a hammer and it
can be done, it's just more work.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
________________________________
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 8:15:24 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Is there a write-up somewhere on how to make them with the wire
rolled in the edges?
>
>Yep, they have the wire rolled in on the edges. Not really very hard to do.
>Barry
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Centre wing section & fuel tank |
Fellow builders and mentors, Happy Holidays
What thickness of plywood is being used on the sides of the ribs on the top
centre section and bottom, holding the fuel tank?
Any advantages or cons between making an aluminum tank or fibreglass one?
Excluding the talents of the fabricator.
Would you hold more fuel or less with one over the other?
Drain fittings and fill connections, are they problem free over time in a
fibreglass tank?
Those of you, who make your control horns out of one piece instead of two
welded together, what thickness of 4130 are you using?
Is it necessary to roll the edges, or the thickness takes all into account?
Any suggestions on part # and supplier that are being used for bearings on
the bell crank and main control tubing?
Does the use of bearings, instead of the fabricated ones from the Piet
drawing's, give you a smoother feel for the flight controls?
I have read that stainless bolts are ill advised/prohibited. Unable so far
to get AN flush head screws long enough, for bolt through, for the hinges on
the tail surfaces. We bought those great aluminum hinges in Broadhead. What
are fellow builders using for this application?
In the event of a mishap, I'm concerned of the area to locate a tie down
point for seatbelts. Is there an engineering point of view, concerning
height, angle, distance, load factor?
Don't want to have a cable back to the tail that might act as a strangle
hold on the Pilot in an accident. Perhaps if the fuselage was to break up
that bad, the seat belt would be the lease of an issue. LOL
Well, Thank You in advance for any advice!
Happy New Years & Blue Skies
Marc Dumay
Chatham,On
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Mike,
Does the bead rolling happen before bending the eyebrow? Did you use welding
rod as wire?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
I don't know what Barry did, but I used my bead roller to start the roll,
put the wire in and then used the bead roller to continue the roll around
the wire. The last bit was some hammer forming. I did try it with just a
hammer and it can be done, it's just more work.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 8:15:24 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
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| Subject: | Centre wing section & fuel tank |
Marc,
My center section is built (more or less) to plans, with 1/8" plywood on the
bottom and sides of ribs. One of the few changes I made was to push the ribs
outboard as far as they would go, gaining room for a couple more gallons.
I don't have experience with fiberglass, nor have I built the tank, yet, so
I'll someone else chime in on that.
I agree with you about the seat belts and shoulder harness. To me, the seat
belt needs to hold you in in rough air, and the occasional, mis-managed roll
or loop. Both need to keep your head out of the instrument panel and
supported in case of a nose-over, etc. Keeping in mind, that, no matter what
system you devise, it's still, after all, a wooden structure.
Added to my fuselage, just under the pilot's seat, are oak blocks, faced
with 1/8" plywood and epoxied to the sides and framing members. The seatbelt
attach fits thru a slot in the sides of the seat and is thru-bolted with
5/16" bolts. A similar set up attaches the pilot's harness at the two
corners of the tray.
As you say, if the fuse breaks up that bad, I have more to worry about.
After slotting for the Vi Kapler hinges, I epoxied the hinges in place and
attached with stainless, flathead screws and fibered lock nuts. Yes, I used
stainless! Are they as strong as their AN counterparts? I doubt it, but to
what degree? If those things rip out, I'm probably in an inverted spin and
headed for eternal Pietenpol flying in the Here After!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Dumay
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Centre wing section & fuel tank
Fellow builders and mentors, Happy Holidays
What thickness of plywood is being used on the sides of the ribs on the top
centre section and bottom, holding the fuel tank?
Any advantages or cons between making an aluminum tank or fibreglass one?
Excluding the talents of the fabricator.
Would you hold more fuel or less with one over the other?
Drain fittings and fill connections, are they problem free over time in a
fibreglass tank?
Those of you, who make your control horns out of one piece instead of two
welded together, what thickness of 4130 are you using?
Is it necessary to roll the edges, or the thickness takes all into account?
Any suggestions on part # and supplier that are being used for bearings on
the bell crank and main control tubing?
Does the use of bearings, instead of the fabricated ones from the Piet
drawing's, give you a smoother feel for the flight controls?
I have read that stainless bolts are ill advised/prohibited. Unable so far
to get AN flush head screws long enough, for bolt through, for the hinges on
the tail surfaces. We bought those great aluminum hinges in Broadhead. What
are fellow builders using for this application?
In the event of a mishap, I'm concerned of the area to locate a tie down
point for seatbelts. Is there an engineering point of view, concerning
height, angle, distance, load factor?
Don't want to have a cable back to the tail that might act as a strangle
hold on the Pilot in an accident. Perhaps if the fuselage was to break up
that bad, the seat belt would be the lease of an issue. LOL
Well, Thank You in advance for any advice!
Happy New Years & Blue Skies
Marc Dumay
Chatham,On
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Hope my sketch will help. (see attachment) I will not be near a computer
until Teusday next week, so if you have any questions, I can reply then.
Happy New Year to ALL
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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Boatright
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Is there a write-up somewhere on how to make them with the wire rolled in
the edges?
>--> <bed@mindspring.com>
>
>Yep, they have the wire rolled in on the edges. Not really very hard to do.
>Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Looks nice Barry, did you use the 12 plate stock coolers?
Rick
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
> This is our installation on the Big Piets. I will post another pic in
> greater detail, but you can see some in this pic. There is an extension out
> the back of the eyebrow that sends air down thru the oil cooler in the stock
> location which keeps everything very simple. 4 of the 6 Big Piets are flying
> and some have acculimated about 25 hours. Cooling has not been a concern at
> all with this setup.
> I'll take a more detailed pic after the holidays.
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Groah
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:28 AM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
>
>
> For those Piets with Corvairs.....
>
> Have any of you Corvair powered Pieters remote mounted your oil cooler? If
> so where did you put it and how did you mount it/duct air to it? I have
> some ideas and concept sketches but I figured I'd see what others are doing
> before I reinvent everything.
>
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
>
> Sprayed a coat of clear on my cockpit today and welded up my intake
> manifold.
> Tomorrow: Prep engine cooling scoops, intake, battery box, and probably
> some other items for paint.
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Center section covering |
When covering the bottom of your center section did you glue the fabric to
the entire plywood surface and end ribs or just to the end ribs?
thanks
rick
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| Subject: | Fuselage Gussets |
Working on the fuselage sides and have glued the rear six gussets (top and
bottom) on the outside. Just want to be sure I should glue the rear gussets
on the inside before joining sides with the horizontal cross members. IE,
the cross members will butt up against the inside gussets.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Fuselage Gussets |
Boy, Jack- it sure looks like it to me. The note on
the side view says "gusset plates on both sides of
longeron", which means the joints are trapped between
gussets both inside and outside. That would mean that
the crosspieces would butt up against the inside
gussets unless you notched the gussets to allow the
crosspieces to butt against the longerons directly. And
that may be the answer... notch the inside gussets so
that the crosspieces hit solid wood and not plywood.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Center section covering |
Rick;
Per the Poly-Fiber covering manual, where the
fabric goes on the butt rib it should be cemented
but on the rest of it, not. Pg. 18 of the
manual, dealing with wing covering (but it gets
more general), says "Brush two coats of thinned
Poly-Brush onto the leading edge to provide a
"bedding" that will help adhesion and reduce the
possibility of pinholes in the finish coat.
Actually, all large metal, wood, or fiberglass
parts that will be covered with fabric should get
these two coats of Poly-Brush."
After the fabric goes over those two dried coats
and you start to wet it out with the Poly-Brush
over the fabric, it will soften the underlying
coats and adhere the fabric to the wood. But as
I read the manual, the part that overlaps the
butt ribs should be cemented down with Poly-Tak.
If you're using the equivalent Stewart system,
same thing should apply.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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The lower block IS straight as you suggest, it only points at the
tailwheel because of the geometry of the gear.
It is easier to see once you start it than to describe, but the side vee
pieces are on a flat plane, as is the block. The block is parallel with
the ground and square with it when the aircraft is sitting three-point,
and points inward and aft because the rear leg of the gear is shorter
than the forward. Again, it is easier to see once you start on it. You
do not have to do anything to it to make it point at the tailwheel.
Gene
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT<mailto:tmbrant@msn.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear
Still trying to decide between the wood gear and cub style.
My question about the wood gear is, what is the importance of the
lower block aiming at the tailwheel? I don't get it. Couldn't it just
be straight? Wouldn't that make things simpler to build? I'm not
trying to go against tradition or originality, but I just don't
understand why this is important. Can anyone enlighten me?
Thanks,
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Mike,
My Piet variant had a second Corvair oil cooler mounted to the firewall
with a 2" SCAT tube run to it, in addition to the stock oil cooler on
the engine. Never had an excessive oil temp with that set-up and it was
easy to plumb.
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
Michael Groah wrote:
>
> For those Piets with Corvairs.....
>
> Have any of you Corvair powered Pieters remote mounted your oil
> cooler? If so where did you put it and how did you mount it/duct air
> to it? I have some ideas and concept sketches but I figured I'd see
> what others are doing before I reinvent everything.
>
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
>
> Sprayed a coat of clear on my cockpit today and welded up my intake
> manifold.
> Tomorrow: Prep engine cooling scoops, intake, battery box, and
> probably some other items for paint.
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Gussets |
I looked at that on the plans in the Flying and Glider Manual, too, and
see what you see. I would be hesitant to notch out the gusset so the
cross members would sit flush against the longerons - I think that would
severely compromise the structure. Either the cross pieces butt up
against the gusset OR (and I think I inferred this from one of Jack's or
Gene's comments) the gussets go on the outside of the fuselage and thin
stringers are applied to the outside of the longerons to account for the
extra material at the cross piece/longeron joints.
Again, the same warning as before - my opinion is worth bupkus since I'm
not a builder (and I haven't been out to the airport for a couple of weeks).
Dan
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Boy, Jack- it sure looks like it to me. The note on
> the side view says "gusset plates on both sides of
> longeron", which means the joints are trapped between
> gussets both inside and outside. That would mean that
> the crosspieces would butt up against the inside
> gussets unless you notched the gussets to allow the
> crosspieces to butt against the longerons directly. And
> that may be the answer... notch the inside gussets so
> that the crosspieces hit solid wood and not plywood.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Yes we used welding rod for the wire since it was handy and a nice straight
piece to start with. We formed the edge first and then curved the panel i
nto the scoop shape. =0A=0AIf you have a bead roller then the process is p
retty quick. You just start the roll with a narrow die, put the wire in an
d then use the die to work the metal over the wire in stages until it's all
the way around the wire. You can do the same with a pair of pliers and a
hammer. Use some vice grips to keep the wire in position and then start th
e metal over the wire with the pliers and work it around the wire with the
hammer. Either will give you the same results. I just found it faster an
d easier since I had a Pexto bead roller on hand to use it. It is nice to h
ave tools!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
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com=0ASent: Wed, December 30, 2009 9:17:16 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List
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Groah=0ASent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009=0A9:04 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@
matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0ACorvair Piet Oil Cooler loca
tions?=0A =0AI don't know what Barry did, but I used my bead roller to star
t the=0Aroll, put the wire in and then used the bead roller to continue the
roll around=0Athe wire. The last bit was some hammer forming. I did try
it with=0Ajust a hammer and it can be done, it's just more work. =0A=0AMike
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Thanks Darrel.
I think what I'm going to do is mount an oil cooler under the engine with an opening
directing air into it. This should work out to be above and forward of
the carb air inlet. Peter Johnson did something similar, but I will tuck mine
further back so it's inside the cowling more. I guess I won't know for sure
how it will all work out until I get to work on the cowling. That should happen
in the next month or two. I'll send pics when that starts to take shape.
________________________________
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com>
Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 7:55:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Mike,
My Piet variant had a second Corvair oil cooler mounted to the firewall with a
2" SCAT tube run to it, in addition to the stock oil cooler on the engine. Never
had an excessive oil temp with that set-up and it was easy to plumb.
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
Michael Groah wrote:
>
> For those Piets with Corvairs.....
> Have any of you Corvair powered Pieters remote mounted your oil cooler? If so
where did you put it and how did you mount it/duct air to it? I have some ideas
and concept sketches but I figured I'd see what others are doing before I
reinvent everything.
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
>
> Sprayed a coat of clear on my cockpit today and welded up my intake manifold.
Tomorrow: Prep engine cooling scoops, intake, battery box, and probably some
other items for paint.
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Mike,
I used a standard Earls cooler. You may be able to get a longer, narrower
one that will have the same area but less cowling intrusion.
Cheers
Peter
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Thanks Darrel.
I think what I'm going to do is mount an oil cooler under the engine with
an opening directing air into it. This should work out to be above and
forward of the carb air inlet. Peter Johnson did something similar, but I
will tuck mine further back so it's inside the cowling more. I guess I
won't know for sure how it will all work out until I get to work on the
cowling. That should happen in the next month or two. I'll send pics when
that starts to take shape.
_____
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com>
Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 7:55:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Mike,
My Piet variant had a second Corvair oil cooler mounted to the firewall with
a 2" SCAT tube run to it, in addition to the stock oil cooler on the engine.
Never had an excessive oil temp with that set-up and it was easy to plumb.
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
Michael Groah wrote:
>
> For those Piets with Corvairs.....
> Have any of you Corvair powered Pieters remote mounted your oil cooler?
If so where did you put it and how did you mount it/duct air to it? I have
some ideas and concept sketches but I figured I'd see what others are doing
before I reinvent everything.
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
>
> Sprayed a coat of clear on my cockpit today and welded up my intake
manifold. Tomorrow: Prep engine cooling scoops,
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