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1. 05:09 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (Gene Rambo)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (taildrags)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Fuselage Gussets (Gene Rambo)
4. 07:18 AM - snag time at buildapalooza (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
5. 07:30 AM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (taildrags)
6. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Dan Yocum)
8. 08:07 AM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (taildrags)
9. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
10. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Ryan Mueller)
11. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Jim Markle)
12. 09:24 AM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Catdesigns)
13. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
14. 10:11 AM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland)
15. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland)
16. 12:06 PM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Jeff Boatright)
17. 12:18 PM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland)
18. 12:24 PM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (taildrags)
19. 12:29 PM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland)
20. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland)
21. 03:45 PM - Pietenpol Logo (Gary Boothe)
22. 03:51 PM - Tail braces in place of cables (Michael Perez)
23. 04:11 PM - Re: Pietenpol Logo ()
24. 04:11 PM - Re: Tail braces in place of cables (Pieti Lowell)
25. 04:24 PM - Re: Pietenpol Logo (Gary Boothe)
26. 04:24 PM - Re: Tail braces in place of cables (Gary Boothe)
27. 05:03 PM - Tail braces in place of cables (Oscar Zuniga)
28. 05:29 PM - Re: Pietenpol Logo ()
29. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Logo (Jim)
30. 06:02 PM - Re: Pietenpol Logo (John Hofmann)
31. 06:15 PM - Pietenpol Logo (Oscar Zuniga)
32. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Logo (Jim)
33. 07:12 PM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (shad bell)
34. 10:04 PM - Re: I juss wanted to say (John Recine)
35. 10:53 PM - Re: Tail braces in place of cables (Ernie Moreno)
36. 11:54 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Logo (Michael Groah)
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Subject: | Re: Fuselage Gussets |
The sides are built first with gussets on both sides. When they are
stood up and the cross pieces installed, they butt up against the inside
gussets and are held in place by their own gussets. There is absolutely
nothing wrong with them butting against the gussets. You would gain
nothing by notching the gusset, and would instead weaken the gusset
which is what is holding the airplane together in the first place. The
butt joint is nothing, there is no strength there, you could probably
not even glue the butt joint, just the gussets.
There is a separate but related discussion going on here about
overlapping the gussets. It won't show up or make sense until you start
installing small strips between the gussets on the corners of the
longerons (for appearance sake as the fabric goes around the outside
corners of the longerons) but ONE of the gussets should extend out to
the outside edge of the other, doesn't matter if the side or bottom one
is it (I think easier to make bottom gusset extend), but if one of the
gussets doesn't extend over the other, you have an inside corner the
same thickness as the gussets to deal with when installing filler
strips.
Gene
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From: Dan Yocum<mailto:yocum@fnal.gov>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Gussets
<yocum@fnal.gov<mailto:yocum@fnal.gov>>
I looked at that on the plans in the Flying and Glider Manual, too,
and
see what you see. I would be hesitant to notch out the gusset so the
cross members would sit flush against the longerons - I think that
would
severely compromise the structure. Either the cross pieces butt up
against the gusset OR (and I think I inferred this from one of Jack's
or
Gene's comments) the gussets go on the outside of the fuselage and
thin
stringers are applied to the outside of the longerons to account for
the
extra material at the cross piece/longeron joints.
Again, the same warning as before - my opinion is worth bupkus since
I'm
not a builder (and I haven't been out to the airport for a couple of
weeks).
Dan
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
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>
> Boy, Jack- it sure looks like it to me. The note on
> the side view says "gusset plates on both sides of
> longeron", which means the joints are trapped between
> gussets both inside and outside. That would mean that
> the crosspieces would butt up against the inside
> gussets unless you notched the gussets to allow the
> crosspieces to butt against the longerons directly. And
> that may be the answer... notch the inside gussets so
> that the crosspieces hit solid wood and not plywood.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | Re: Fuselage Gussets |
OK Gene, I get your point about the butt joint being pretty much nothing for the
strength of the joint. So about the strips at the corners, see the sketches...
is this what you're talking about, to make smooth corners for the fabric to
wrap around the full length of the longerons, including at the framing member
joints?
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Subject: | Re: Fuselage Gussets |
the drawings are exactly what I am referring to. I added strips to both
the side and top/bottom of the longerons to eliminate the edges of the
gussets from showing. 1/8" by 3/8" (or so) strips, not structural so
glued on with Elmer's woodworker's glue. Goes pretty fast.
Gene
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OK Gene, I get your point about the butt joint being pretty much
nothing for the strength of the joint. So about the strips at the
corners, see the sketches... is this what you're talking about, to make
smooth corners for the fabric to wrap around the full length of the
longerons, including at the framing member joints?
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Subject: | snag time at buildapalooza |
Goals for this period were landing gear installation, construct center
section structure and begin hardware mounting.
As such I have hit snags in all three categories:
Wooden gear mount angles don't seem to line up exactly with the lower
block bracket at the proper locations such that the gear legs are situated at
the ash cross members. Not too certain just how to make that adjustment at
the moment without damaging the legs. Still working on figuring that one out
Center section structure built and still trying to decide to go cut out or
flop, progress hauled there for decision
Wing strut hardware mounting, trying to locate mounting point on wing
spars. Drawing shows a 79 inch distance from the spar to center section joint to
the flying strut location. I built the 3 piece routed spar wing on drawing
page 5 having no hardware mounting location that I have been able to
locate. Drawing page for the supplemental 3 piece wing by V.J Kapler is showing
a 79 inch dimension which I can only surmise is the strut connection center
hole.
Now for the question: on the long wing version listed on DWG page 5 where
does the wing strut mount? what is the measurement from the spar root
connection to the center hole of the hardware? Does anyone have a reliable
dimension? I would have to hate trying to assemble the wing section to the center
section and see where the strut joint falls at the spar to figure it out.
What am I missing, other than my buildabapooza goals please advise.
Thanks
John
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
John; are the wing struts already fabricated then, with both ends attached and
welded? In that case, you might be stuck with making the wing strut attach fittings
fit the length of your struts but that sure isn't the easy way to do it.
The struts should be made to the length needed to put the wings in proper geometry
after the wings are all complete and on the airplane for fitting, with
the final adjustment made using the fork attach fitting that threads into the
bottom end of the struts. There isn't a whole lot of adjustment available there
and it's only used for final rigging, not for taking up an inch or two of
strut length.
On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I like the
little extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides while others
prefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutout provides.
Less filling... more taste.
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
The struts are cut to length with no fittings built yet. The flying struts
are laminated wood ash and black walnut with metal imbedded at each end and
at off center for fitting mount holes and jury struts. Which I didn't even
begin looking for their (jury strut) mounting positions on the drawings
but I am pretty certain those locations will be another head scratcher.
In a message dated 12/31/2009 10:33:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
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John; are the wing struts already fabricated then, with both ends attached
and welded? In that case, you might be stuck with making the wing strut
attach fittings fit the length of your struts but that sure isn't the easy
way to do it. The struts should be made to the length needed to put the
wings in proper geometry after the wings are all complete and on the airplane
for fitting, with the final adjustment made using the fork attach fitting
that threads into the bottom end of the struts. There isn't a whole lot of
adjustment available there and it's only used for final rigging, not for
taking up an inch or two of strut length.
On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I
like the little extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides
while others prefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutout
provides. Less filling... more taste.
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San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
taildrags wrote:
>
> On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I like the
little extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides while others
prefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutout provides.
Less filling... more taste.
>
I like the extra visibility of the cut-out on N8031. Up here in the
Midwest the sun feels pretty good when it's cooler and windier at
altitude. Down there in the sunbelt, I'm sure the extra shade helps.
Dan
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
John; on jury strut locations, it has been discussed on this list before and the
consensus is that they should NOT be located at the midpoint of the lift struts
but offset a bit to one side or the other in order to reduce the possibility
of setting up a harmonic vibration in the struts. So the best thing to do
is drop a string down from a couple of ribs to where it intersects the strut,
pick one that places the jury strut attachment away from the midpoint of the lift
struts, and use that. No magic involved. I don't believe you will find dimensions
given for jury struts on any plans that you have. There are some very
nice details for different ways to attach the jury struts to the lift struts
but since your lift struts are wood, you'll need to work out something different
than most of the details I've seen. Probably the best thing would be to
bend some light gauge metal strap to the airfoil shape of your struts in a clamping
fashion, holding the jury strut members at the clamping point with a bolt.
'Course I guess you could also do what Don Emch and others have done if you're
willing to drill through your lift struts like this:
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
yup wood has metal imbedded at a location not at the mid point, slightly
off the mid point for just that purpose ( I jumped all over that one when it
came around). I suspect that time is growing short and that after I get the
legs on her shell have to move outside or to a hangar for trial fits. I
sure am dreading the expense part of that phase. But there is only so much
one can accomplish working in the subterranean shop. Being the ultimate
cellar dweller of the aeroplane building community and all.
But no hints as far as a hardware mounting location or dimension from the
plans as to where the wing strut connects to the spar?
Also need the Michael Cuy drawing of the strut to fuse mounting hardware
design he came up with too.
John
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http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
John,
This?:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/Piet_landing_gear_fitting_sketch_on_fuselage.jpg
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:20 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> Also need the Michael Cuy drawing of the strut to fuse mounting hardware
> design he came up with too.
>
> John
>
>
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
Probably the best thing would be to bend some light gauge metal strap to the airfoil
shape of your struts in a clamping fashion, holding the jury strut members
at the!
clamping point with a bolt.
Maybe something like the attached.(?) I just cut a thin slot in the jury strut
and slipped it down over the thin strap and will drill a hole through the wood
and fitting to bolt it all together, nice and simple....
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
On both the one piece and 3-piece wing drawings only the center hole of the strut
fitting is shown with a dimension.
On the 3-piece wing the center hole for the wing strut fitting is 79 inches FROM
THE END OF THE WING SPAR.
On the One piece wing the center hole for the wing strut fitting is measured FROM
THE CENTER STRUT FITTING and is 81 7/8 inches from it.
Dont know what you mean by Long Wing version, unless you mean the one piece wing.
If so see above.
Jury struts are not shown on any of the plans but should be used. Dont put them
mid span of the flying strut. They should be off center. Most seem to be offset
toward the wing tip.
As for the landing gear, I am really confused about your problem. I guess I just
dont understand what youre trying to say.
Hopefully youre not making parts based on the plans then thinking they will fit.
The plans and your ability to build to them are not that accurate. Always
check to see what you need the part to be before building it or you too will have
a box of parts that dont fit quite right. I keep thinking I should build
a wind chime out of mine.
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
I agonized over whether to flop or not to flop also. Ended up building a
hybrid flop with a cutout in it (best of both worlds?). But if I was going
to do it again I would just go with a round cutout and a handle as Mike C.
and Jack P. have done.
rick
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:16 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> Goals for this period were landing gear installation, construct center
> section structure and begin hardware mounting.
> v
> As such I have hit snags in all three categories:
>
> Wooden gear mount angles don't seem to line up exactly with the lower block
> bracket at the proper locations such that the gear legs are situated at the
> ash cross members. Not too certain just how to make that adjustment at the
> moment without damaging the legs. Still working on figuring that one out
>
> Center section structure built and still trying to decide to go cut out or
> flop, progress hauled there for decision
>
> Wing strut hardware mounting, trying to locate mounting point on wing
> spars. Drawing shows a 79 inch distance from the spar to center section
> joint to the flying strut location. I built the 3 piece routed spar wing on
> drawing page 5 having no hardware mounting location that I have been able to
> locate. Drawing page for the supplemental 3 piece wing by V.J Kapler is
> showing a 79 inch dimension which I can only surmise is the strut connection
> center hole.
>
> Now for the question: on the long wing version listed on DWG page 5 where
> does the wing strut mount? what is the measurement from the spar root
> connection to the center hole of the hardware? Does anyone have a reliable
> dimension? I would have to hate trying to assemble the wing section to the
> center section and see where the strut joint falls at the spar to figure it
> out.
>
> What am I missing, other than my buildabapooza goals please advise.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
> I like the extra visibility of the cut-out on N8031. Up here in the
> Midwest the sun feels pretty good when it's cooler and windier at altitude.
> Down there in the sunbelt, I'm sure the extra shade helps.
>
>
Your reply gave me an idea Dan, the rear area of the center section where
the flop would go could be like the moon-roof opening in your car, you
should be able to open and close the area whenever you want in flight like a
sunroof for sun, shade, visibility, etc. How about a roll-top desk cover
kind of thing? (No I am not really serious ;)
rick
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
Rick,
Beautiful work. If all of your agonized compromises come out this
beautiful, you should hire out as a home improvement consultant. Hey,
maybe that's what your day job is already! :)
Jeff
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
Thanks Jeff, I am actually a computer geek consultant, and unfortunately my
flop looks better than my software ;)
rick
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Beautiful work. If all of your agonized compromises come out this
> beautiful, you should hire out as a home improvement consultant. Hey, maybe
> that's what your day job is already! :)
>
> Jeff
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
Jeff; I was going to say the same thing about the beautiful workmanship on Rick's
airplane until I noticed that he had a little problem with the first set of
holes on the piano hinges. One set of screws hit right on a rib and he had to
make new holes, offset to the other sides of the ribs. Tsk, tsk... this ruins
his chances at a Lindy Award or Golden Hammer for sure ;o)
He will be very welcome in my club, though. If any of you remember the old "Exit,
Laughing" column that Ed Zern wrote for Field & Stream magazine many years
ago, he concocted the Madison Avenue Rod, Gun, Bloody Mary & Laborador Retriever
Benevolent Association (MARGBM&LRBA). Along those lines, I've decided to call
my club the "Brodhead Stripped Thread, Smashed Thumb, Ground Loop, Paint Sag
& Run Club", or BSTSTGLPS&RC for short. Rick will be very welcome there unless
he replaces those piano hinges with new ones that are perfectly drilled with
no extra holes.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279469#279469
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
Chris
That is exactly what my daughter suggested I do with all the metal parts I
made that I had to remake. Problem is with all the parts I screwed up on
this mobile would weight in at over a hundred pounds and I don't have a tre
e
big enough to hang something like that from.
rick
> Always check to see what you need the part to be before building it or yo
u
too will have a box of parts >that don=92t fit quite right. I keep thinkin
g I
should build a wind chime out of mine.
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: snag time at buildapalooza |
Well, that's the last time I will ever post a picture on this newsgroup! :)
Actually Oscar that hinge is just some scrap hinge I had laying around that
I put there to take the picture, the REAL hinge is absolutely perfect (in my
opinion). Do they have a Tin or Lead Lindy Award that maybe I would qualify
for?
rick
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 3:23 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff; I was going to say the same thing about the beautiful workmanship on
> Rick's airplane until I noticed that he had a little problem with the first
> set of holes on the piano hinges. One set of screws hit right on a rib and
> he had to make new holes, offset to the other sides of the ribs. Tsk,
> tsk... this ruins his chances at a Lindy Award or Golden Hammer for sure ;o)
>
> He will be very welcome in my club, though. If any of you remember the old
> "Exit, Laughing" column that Ed Zern wrote for Field & Stream magazine many
> years ago, he concocted the Madison Avenue Rod, Gun, Bloody Mary & Laborador
> Retriever Benevolent Association (MARGBM&LRBA). Along those lines, I've
> decided to call my club the "Brodhead Stripped Thread, Smashed Thumb, Ground
> Loop, Paint Sag & Run Club", or BSTSTGLPS&RC for short. Rick will be very
> welcome there unless he replaces those piano hinges with new ones that are
> perfectly drilled with no extra holes.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279469#279469
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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Subject: | Tail braces in place of cables |
Is there anyone using something other then cables to secure the tail assemb
ly? (solid rods, tubes, threaded rod, wood struts, etc...)- I thought I h
ad read on this list a long time back where someone said they used some typ
e of struts or rods. Curious to see a picture or two of them on a Pietenpol
.
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos but
this logo will be on my plane when its done.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG
I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can
make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is
available?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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Subject: | Re: Tail braces in place of cables |
Music Wire works well, Had to re-oil wires after20 years.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279519#279519
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Chris,
Good to hear from you.It's been a while and I was starting to worry.
That's the one. Do you know where to get a copy? Or just scan that one?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
catdesigns@att.net
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos but this
logo will be on my plane when its done.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG
I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can make
anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
href="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Tail braces in place of cables |
Michael,
Take a look at any Taylorcraft - you could do the same. Turnbuckles and
shackles sure add up to $$$.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail braces in place of cables
Is there anyone using something other then cables to secure the tail
assembly? (solid rods, tubes, threaded rod, wood struts, etc...) I thought
I had read on this list a long time back where someone said they used some
type of struts or rods. Curious to see a picture or two of them on a
Pietenpol.
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Subject: | Tail braces in place of cables |
Michael;
I seem to remember that Ernie Moreno's Piet had brace
rods in place of cables, but I don't remember for sure.
There should be pictures on Westcoastpiet.
Like Pieti (or someone) said, it's pretty common to
see that setup, like on Cubs.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
Gary,
Way back in 1992 Frank Pavliga sold these as stickers. I doubt he sells
them today but I may be wrong as usual. They were 7" x 3.75".
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
Chris,
Good to hear from you.It's been a while and I was starting to worry.
That's the one. Do you know where to get a copy? Or just scan that
one?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
catdesigns@att.net
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:05 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos but
this logo will be on my plane when its done.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG
I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can
make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is
available?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comhref="http://w
ww.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http://www.homebuilthe
lp.com">www.homebuilthelp.comhref="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howto
crimp.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matron
ics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http:
//www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matroni
cs.com">http://forums.matronics.com
www.aeroelectric.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigat
or?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
HI Chris,
If you do arrange to have this logo made in vinyl let me know as I would also like
at least two copies for the side of the fuselage. Maybe we could have it done
as a group thing as Gary, Michael, Mike, you and me all will need them (I
think we would all want them on our Piets).
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Dec 31, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos butthis logo will be on my plane when its done.http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPGI am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is.Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done,Fuselageon gear
(16 ribs down)
href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
href="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
Hey Jim,
Happy New Year. I have been back and forth a couple of times with Gary.
I have this digitized with a small bit of cleanup. I will look into some
stickers. I think I can get them done reasonably priced for all.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Dec 31, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Jim wrote:
>
>
> HI Chris,
> If you do arrange to have this logo made in vinyl let me know as I
would also like at least two copies for the side of the fuselage. Maybe
we could have it done as a group thing as Gary, Michael, Mike, you and
me all will need them (I think we would all want them on our Piets).
> Jim B.
>
> Jim Boyer
> Santa Rosa, CA
> Pietenpol on wheels
> Tail surfaces done
> Wing ribs done
> Corvair engine
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote:
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> What logo are you thinking of?
I dont know of any official logos but this logo will be on my plane when
its done. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG
I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can
make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is. Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44
PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
> Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is
available?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (16 ribs down
> )
>
>
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Don't forget about Avgrafix, http://avgrafix.com/
They are the outfit that did the nice graphics
on Mike Cuy's airplane and also made the brass
data plates that I sell for Pietenpols. Contact
Denny Demeter at Avgrafix with whatever you need
and he can make it, or may already have the
artwork in stock if it's been done before.
Another resource is Kris Niswonger, right on my
own home field of San Geronimo Airpark. He does
business as Vector Graphics and you can reach
him at (210)557-3585 or email him at
govectorgraphics@gmail.com
Kris and his brother Eric, and their father Gene,
owned and operated Air Graphics, LLC out of
Oshkosh and you will see the Niswonger name in
connection with some award-winning graphics on
aircraft.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
Hi John,
I think that would be good to have available; I for one definitely want one on
each side. Let me know if you get them set up. Gary and Chris are ahead of me
as needing them but I could get them any time.
Jim B.
Happy New Year John and Everybody on the list.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Dec 31, 2009 06:05:45 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
Hey Jim,
Happy New Year. I have been back and forth a couple of times with Gary. I have
this digitized with a small bit of cleanup. I will look into some stickers. I
think I can get them done reasonably priced for all.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Dec 31, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Jim wrote:
HI Chris,
If you do arrange to have this logo made in vinyl let me know as I would also like
at least two copies for the side of the fuselage. Maybe we could have it done
as a group thing as Gary, Michael, Mike, you and me all will need them (I
think we would all want them on our Piets).
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Dec 31, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos but this logo will be on my plane when its done. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is. Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down
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Subject: | Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
NX92GB has the 12 plate corvair cooler mounted at the stock corvair locatio
n.- We originally had the 8? plate cooler and it ran a little to high on
the oil temp.- No problems with the 12 plate cooler.- Another thing to
consider is where you measure oil temp, you get drastic differences.
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Subject: | Re: Tail braces in place of cables |
Hell Mike, my Pietenpol does indeed have rods on the tail feathers similar
to a a Aeronca Champ. If I were to do it again, I would go with cables, much
lighter and less cost. My rods have left and right thread ends so they are
adjustable.
Ernie Moreno
---- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail braces in place of cables
>
>
> Michael;
>
> I seem to remember that Ernie Moreno's Piet had brace
> rods in place of cables, but I don't remember for sure.
> There should be pictures on Westcoastpiet.
>
> Like Pieti (or someone) said, it's pretty common to
> see that setup, like on Cubs.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
If you guys just want the logo like that I can make them. I have a vinyl cutter.
I can do them up to 24" tall. I think I have the vector file already set up
for it too. It seems like I cut the "Pride of Cherry Grove" part out but it's
only a thirty second job to throw it back in if someone wants it like that.
It's been awhile since I've made stickers so I don't remember what color vinyls
I have in stock anymore. I'm sure I still have lots of white, red, black,
a blue color (I'm not sure exactly what blue I have) and I'm sure I still have
some school bus yellow around here. I'll have to check to see what I have
exactly.
Mike Groah
I painted my cooling scoops today. Tomorrow I'll sand my cockpit for it's final
clear coat.
Happy New year to you all!
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