---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/31/09: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:09 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (Gene Rambo) 2. 06:36 AM - Re: Fuselage Gussets (taildrags) 3. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Fuselage Gussets (Gene Rambo) 4. 07:18 AM - snag time at buildapalooza (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 5. 07:30 AM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (taildrags) 6. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 7. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Dan Yocum) 8. 08:07 AM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (taildrags) 9. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 10. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Ryan Mueller) 11. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Jim Markle) 12. 09:24 AM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Catdesigns) 13. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 14. 10:11 AM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland) 15. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland) 16. 12:06 PM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Jeff Boatright) 17. 12:18 PM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland) 18. 12:24 PM - Re: snag time at buildapalooza (taildrags) 19. 12:29 PM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland) 20. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: snag time at buildapalooza (Rick Holland) 21. 03:45 PM - Pietenpol Logo (Gary Boothe) 22. 03:51 PM - Tail braces in place of cables (Michael Perez) 23. 04:11 PM - Re: Pietenpol Logo () 24. 04:11 PM - Re: Tail braces in place of cables (Pieti Lowell) 25. 04:24 PM - Re: Pietenpol Logo (Gary Boothe) 26. 04:24 PM - Re: Tail braces in place of cables (Gary Boothe) 27. 05:03 PM - Tail braces in place of cables (Oscar Zuniga) 28. 05:29 PM - Re: Pietenpol Logo () 29. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Logo (Jim) 30. 06:02 PM - Re: Pietenpol Logo (John Hofmann) 31. 06:15 PM - Pietenpol Logo (Oscar Zuniga) 32. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Logo (Jim) 33. 07:12 PM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (shad bell) 34. 10:04 PM - Re: I juss wanted to say (John Recine) 35. 10:53 PM - Re: Tail braces in place of cables (Ernie Moreno) 36. 11:54 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Logo (Michael Groah) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:58 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Gussets The sides are built first with gussets on both sides. When they are stood up and the cross pieces installed, they butt up against the inside gussets and are held in place by their own gussets. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them butting against the gussets. You would gain nothing by notching the gusset, and would instead weaken the gusset which is what is holding the airplane together in the first place. The butt joint is nothing, there is no strength there, you could probably not even glue the butt joint, just the gussets. There is a separate but related discussion going on here about overlapping the gussets. It won't show up or make sense until you start installing small strips between the gussets on the corners of the longerons (for appearance sake as the fabric goes around the outside corners of the longerons) but ONE of the gussets should extend out to the outside edge of the other, doesn't matter if the side or bottom one is it (I think easier to make bottom gusset extend), but if one of the gussets doesn't extend over the other, you have an inside corner the same thickness as the gussets to deal with when installing filler strips. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Yocum To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Gussets > I looked at that on the plans in the Flying and Glider Manual, too, and see what you see. I would be hesitant to notch out the gusset so the cross members would sit flush against the longerons - I think that would severely compromise the structure. Either the cross pieces butt up against the gusset OR (and I think I inferred this from one of Jack's or Gene's comments) the gussets go on the outside of the fuselage and thin stringers are applied to the outside of the longerons to account for the extra material at the cross piece/longeron joints. Again, the same warning as before - my opinion is worth bupkus since I'm not a builder (and I haven't been out to the airport for a couple of weeks). Dan Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > Boy, Jack- it sure looks like it to me. The note on > the side view says "gusset plates on both sides of > longeron", which means the joints are trapped between > gussets both inside and outside. That would mean that > the crosspieces would butt up against the inside > gussets unless you notched the gussets to allow the > crosspieces to butt against the longerons directly. And > that may be the answer... notch the inside gussets so > that the crosspieces hit solid wood and not plywood. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Gussets From: "taildrags" OK Gene, I get your point about the butt joint being pretty much nothing for the strength of the joint. So about the strips at the corners, see the sketches... is this what you're talking about, to make smooth corners for the fabric to wrap around the full length of the longerons, including at the framing member joints? -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279390#279390 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gusset2_187.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/gusset1_169.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:26 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Gussets the drawings are exactly what I am referring to. I added strips to both the side and top/bottom of the longerons to eliminate the edges of the gussets from showing. 1/8" by 3/8" (or so) strips, not structural so glued on with Elmer's woodworker's glue. Goes pretty fast. Gene do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: taildrags To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Gussets > OK Gene, I get your point about the butt joint being pretty much nothing for the strength of the joint. So about the strips at the corners, see the sketches... is this what you're talking about, to make smooth corners for the fabric to wrap around the full length of the longerons, including at the framing member joints? -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279390#279390 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gusset2_187.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/gusset1_169.jpg www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:07 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapalooza Goals for this period were landing gear installation, construct center section structure and begin hardware mounting. As such I have hit snags in all three categories: Wooden gear mount angles don't seem to line up exactly with the lower block bracket at the proper locations such that the gear legs are situated at the ash cross members. Not too certain just how to make that adjustment at the moment without damaging the legs. Still working on figuring that one out Center section structure built and still trying to decide to go cut out or flop, progress hauled there for decision Wing strut hardware mounting, trying to locate mounting point on wing spars. Drawing shows a 79 inch distance from the spar to center section joint to the flying strut location. I built the 3 piece routed spar wing on drawing page 5 having no hardware mounting location that I have been able to locate. Drawing page for the supplemental 3 piece wing by V.J Kapler is showing a 79 inch dimension which I can only surmise is the strut connection center hole. Now for the question: on the long wing version listed on DWG page 5 where does the wing strut mount? what is the measurement from the spar root connection to the center hole of the hardware? Does anyone have a reliable dimension? I would have to hate trying to assemble the wing section to the center section and see where the strut joint falls at the spar to figure it out. What am I missing, other than my buildabapooza goals please advise. Thanks John ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza From: "taildrags" John; are the wing struts already fabricated then, with both ends attached and welded? In that case, you might be stuck with making the wing strut attach fittings fit the length of your struts but that sure isn't the easy way to do it. The struts should be made to the length needed to put the wings in proper geometry after the wings are all complete and on the airplane for fitting, with the final adjustment made using the fork attach fitting that threads into the bottom end of the struts. There isn't a whole lot of adjustment available there and it's only used for final rigging, not for taking up an inch or two of strut length. On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I like the little extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides while others prefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutout provides. Less filling... more taste. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279403#279403 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:01 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza The struts are cut to length with no fittings built yet. The flying struts are laminated wood ash and black walnut with metal imbedded at each end and at off center for fitting mount holes and jury struts. Which I didn't even begin looking for their (jury strut) mounting positions on the drawings but I am pretty certain those locations will be another head scratcher. In a message dated 12/31/2009 10:33:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" John; are the wing struts already fabricated then, with both ends attached and welded? In that case, you might be stuck with making the wing strut attach fittings fit the length of your struts but that sure isn't the easy way to do it. The struts should be made to the length needed to put the wings in proper geometry after the wings are all complete and on the airplane for fitting, with the final adjustment made using the fork attach fitting that threads into the bottom end of the struts. There isn't a whole lot of adjustment available there and it's only used for final rigging, not for taking up an inch or two of strut length. On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I like the little extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides while others prefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutout provides. Less filling... more taste. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279403#279403 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:30 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza taildrags wrote: > > On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I like the little extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides while others prefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutout provides. Less filling... more taste. > I like the extra visibility of the cut-out on N8031. Up here in the Midwest the sun feels pretty good when it's cooler and windier at altitude. Down there in the sunbelt, I'm sure the extra shade helps. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza From: "taildrags" John; on jury strut locations, it has been discussed on this list before and the consensus is that they should NOT be located at the midpoint of the lift struts but offset a bit to one side or the other in order to reduce the possibility of setting up a harmonic vibration in the struts. So the best thing to do is drop a string down from a couple of ribs to where it intersects the strut, pick one that places the jury strut attachment away from the midpoint of the lift struts, and use that. No magic involved. I don't believe you will find dimensions given for jury struts on any plans that you have. There are some very nice details for different ways to attach the jury struts to the lift struts but since your lift struts are wood, you'll need to work out something different than most of the details I've seen. Probably the best thing would be to bend some light gauge metal strap to the airfoil shape of your struts in a clamping fashion, holding the jury strut members at the clamping point with a bolt. 'Course I guess you could also do what Don Emch and others have done if you're willing to drill through your lift struts like this: http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279412#279412 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:04 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza yup wood has metal imbedded at a location not at the mid point, slightly off the mid point for just that purpose ( I jumped all over that one when it came around). I suspect that time is growing short and that after I get the legs on her shell have to move outside or to a hangar for trial fits. I sure am dreading the expense part of that phase. But there is only so much one can accomplish working in the subterranean shop. Being the ultimate cellar dweller of the aeroplane building community and all. But no hints as far as a hardware mounting location or dimension from the plans as to where the wing strut connects to the spar? Also need the Michael Cuy drawing of the strut to fuse mounting hardware design he came up with too. John In a message dated 12/31/2009 11:09:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza From: Ryan Mueller John, This?: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/Piet_landing_gear_fitting_sketch_on_fuselage.jpg On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:20 AM, wrote: > > > Also need the Michael Cuy drawing of the strut to fuse mounting hardware > design he came up with too. > > John > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:22 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza Probably the best thing would be to bend some light gauge metal strap to the airfoil shape of your struts in a clamping fashion, holding the jury strut members at the! clamping point with a bolt. Maybe something like the attached.(?) I just cut a thin slot in the jury strut and slipped it down over the thin strap and will drill a hole through the wood and fitting to bolt it all together, nice and simple.... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza From: "Catdesigns" On both the one piece and 3-piece wing drawings only the center hole of the strut fitting is shown with a dimension. On the 3-piece wing the center hole for the wing strut fitting is 79 inches FROM THE END OF THE WING SPAR. On the One piece wing the center hole for the wing strut fitting is measured FROM THE CENTER STRUT FITTING and is 81 7/8 inches from it. Dont know what you mean by Long Wing version, unless you mean the one piece wing. If so see above. Jury struts are not shown on any of the plans but should be used. Dont put them mid span of the flying strut. They should be off center. Most seem to be offset toward the wing tip. As for the landing gear, I am really confused about your problem. I guess I just dont understand what youre trying to say. Hopefully youre not making parts based on the plans then thinking they will fit. The plans and your ability to build to them are not that accurate. Always check to see what you need the part to be before building it or you too will have a box of parts that dont fit quite right. I keep thinking I should build a wind chime out of mine. 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Ended up building a hybrid flop with a cutout in it (best of both worlds?). But if I was going to do it again I would just go with a round cutout and a handle as Mike C. and Jack P. have done. rick On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:16 AM, wrote: > Goals for this period were landing gear installation, construct center > section structure and begin hardware mounting. > v > As such I have hit snags in all three categories: > > Wooden gear mount angles don't seem to line up exactly with the lower block > bracket at the proper locations such that the gear legs are situated at the > ash cross members. Not too certain just how to make that adjustment at the > moment without damaging the legs. Still working on figuring that one out > > Center section structure built and still trying to decide to go cut out or > flop, progress hauled there for decision > > Wing strut hardware mounting, trying to locate mounting point on wing > spars. Drawing shows a 79 inch distance from the spar to center section > joint to the flying strut location. I built the 3 piece routed spar wing on > drawing page 5 having no hardware mounting location that I have been able to > locate. Drawing page for the supplemental 3 piece wing by V.J Kapler is > showing a 79 inch dimension which I can only surmise is the strut connection > center hole. > > Now for the question: on the long wing version listed on DWG page 5 where > does the wing strut mount? what is the measurement from the spar root > connection to the center hole of the hardware? Does anyone have a reliable > dimension? I would have to hate trying to assemble the wing section to the > center section and see where the strut joint falls at the spar to figure it > out. > > What am I missing, other than my buildabapooza goals please advise. > > Thanks > > John > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza From: Rick Holland > I like the extra visibility of the cut-out on N8031. Up here in the > Midwest the sun feels pretty good when it's cooler and windier at altitude. > Down there in the sunbelt, I'm sure the extra shade helps. > > Your reply gave me an idea Dan, the rear area of the center section where the flop would go could be like the moon-roof opening in your car, you should be able to open and close the area whenever you want in flight like a sunroof for sun, shade, visibility, etc. How about a roll-top desk cover kind of thing? (No I am not really serious ;) rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:12 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapalooza Rick, Beautiful work. If all of your agonized compromises come out this beautiful, you should hire out as a home improvement consultant. Hey, maybe that's what your day job is already! :) Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapalooza From: Rick Holland Thanks Jeff, I am actually a computer geek consultant, and unfortunately my flop looks better than my software ;) rick On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > Rick, > > Beautiful work. If all of your agonized compromises come out this > beautiful, you should hire out as a home improvement consultant. Hey, maybe > that's what your day job is already! :) > > Jeff > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza From: "taildrags" Jeff; I was going to say the same thing about the beautiful workmanship on Rick's airplane until I noticed that he had a little problem with the first set of holes on the piano hinges. One set of screws hit right on a rib and he had to make new holes, offset to the other sides of the ribs. Tsk, tsk... this ruins his chances at a Lindy Award or Golden Hammer for sure ;o) He will be very welcome in my club, though. If any of you remember the old "Exit, Laughing" column that Ed Zern wrote for Field & Stream magazine many years ago, he concocted the Madison Avenue Rod, Gun, Bloody Mary & Laborador Retriever Benevolent Association (MARGBM&LRBA). Along those lines, I've decided to call my club the "Brodhead Stripped Thread, Smashed Thumb, Ground Loop, Paint Sag & Run Club", or BSTSTGLPS&RC for short. Rick will be very welcome there unless he replaces those piano hinges with new ones that are perfectly drilled with no extra holes. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279469#279469 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza From: Rick Holland Chris That is exactly what my daughter suggested I do with all the metal parts I made that I had to remake. Problem is with all the parts I screwed up on this mobile would weight in at over a hundred pounds and I don't have a tre e big enough to hang something like that from. rick > Always check to see what you need the part to be before building it or yo u too will have a box of parts >that don=92t fit quite right. I keep thinkin g I should build a wind chime out of mine. -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza From: Rick Holland Well, that's the last time I will ever post a picture on this newsgroup! :) Actually Oscar that hinge is just some scrap hinge I had laying around that I put there to take the picture, the REAL hinge is absolutely perfect (in my opinion). Do they have a Tin or Lead Lindy Award that maybe I would qualify for? rick On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 3:23 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Jeff; I was going to say the same thing about the beautiful workmanship on > Rick's airplane until I noticed that he had a little problem with the first > set of holes on the piano hinges. One set of screws hit right on a rib and > he had to make new holes, offset to the other sides of the ribs. Tsk, > tsk... this ruins his chances at a Lindy Award or Golden Hammer for sure ;o) > > He will be very welcome in my club, though. If any of you remember the old > "Exit, Laughing" column that Ed Zern wrote for Field & Stream magazine many > years ago, he concocted the Madison Avenue Rod, Gun, Bloody Mary & Laborador > Retriever Benevolent Association (MARGBM&LRBA). Along those lines, I've > decided to call my club the "Brodhead Stripped Thread, Smashed Thumb, Ground > Loop, Paint Sag & Run Club", or BSTSTGLPS&RC for short. Rick will be very > welcome there unless he replaces those piano hinges with new ones that are > perfectly drilled with no extra holes. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > Air Camper NX41CC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279469#279469 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:12 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:55 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail braces in place of cables Is there anyone using something other then cables to secure the tail assemb ly? (solid rods, tubes, threaded rod, wood struts, etc...)- I thought I h ad read on this list a long time back where someone said they used some typ e of struts or rods. Curious to see a picture or two of them on a Pietenpol .. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos but this logo will be on my plane when its done. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail braces in place of cables From: "Pieti Lowell" Music Wire works well, Had to re-oil wires after20 years. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279519#279519 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:21 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Chris, Good to hear from you.It's been a while and I was starting to worry. That's the one. Do you know where to get a copy? Or just scan that one? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of catdesigns@att.net Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos but this logo will be on my plane when its done. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:56 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail braces in place of cables Michael, Take a look at any Taylorcraft - you could do the same. Turnbuckles and shackles sure add up to $$$. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail braces in place of cables Is there anyone using something other then cables to secure the tail assembly? (solid rods, tubes, threaded rod, wood struts, etc...) I thought I had read on this list a long time back where someone said they used some type of struts or rods. Curious to see a picture or two of them on a Pietenpol. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:50 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail braces in place of cables Michael; I seem to remember that Ernie Moreno's Piet had brace rods in place of cables, but I don't remember for sure. There should be pictures on Westcoastpiet. Like Pieti (or someone) said, it's pretty common to see that setup, like on Cubs. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:19 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Gary, Way back in 1992 Frank Pavliga sold these as stickers. I doubt he sells them today but I may be wrong as usual. They were 7" x 3.75". Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Chris, Good to hear from you.It's been a while and I was starting to worry. That's the one. Do you know where to get a copy? Or just scan that one? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of catdesigns@att.net Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:05 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos but this logo will be on my plane when its done. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comhref="http://w ww.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http://www.homebuilthe lp.com">www.homebuilthelp.comhref="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howto crimp.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matron ics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matroni cs.com">http://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:22 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo HI Chris, If you do arrange to have this logo made in vinyl let me know as I would also like at least two copies for the side of the fuselage. Maybe we could have it done as a group thing as Gary, Michael, Mike, you and me all will need them (I think we would all want them on our Piets). Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 31, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos butthis logo will be on my plane when its done.http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPGI am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is.Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done,Fuselageon gear (16 ribs down) href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:14 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Hey Jim, Happy New Year. I have been back and forth a couple of times with Gary. I have this digitized with a small bit of cleanup. I will look into some stickers. I think I can get them done reasonably priced for all. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Dec 31, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Jim wrote: > > > HI Chris, > If you do arrange to have this logo made in vinyl let me know as I would also like at least two copies for the side of the fuselage. Maybe we could have it done as a group thing as Gary, Michael, Mike, you and me all will need them (I think we would all want them on our Piets). > Jim B. > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol on wheels > Tail surfaces done > Wing ribs done > Corvair engine > > > On Dec 31, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos but this logo will be on my plane when its done. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is. Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo > Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available? > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (16 ribs down > ) > > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:27 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Don't forget about Avgrafix, http://avgrafix.com/ They are the outfit that did the nice graphics on Mike Cuy's airplane and also made the brass data plates that I sell for Pietenpols. Contact Denny Demeter at Avgrafix with whatever you need and he can make it, or may already have the artwork in stock if it's been done before. Another resource is Kris Niswonger, right on my own home field of San Geronimo Airpark. He does business as Vector Graphics and you can reach him at (210)557-3585 or email him at govectorgraphics@gmail.com Kris and his brother Eric, and their father Gene, owned and operated Air Graphics, LLC out of Oshkosh and you will see the Niswonger name in connection with some award-winning graphics on aircraft. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:49 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Hi John, I think that would be good to have available; I for one definitely want one on each side. Let me know if you get them set up. Gary and Chris are ahead of me as needing them but I could get them any time. Jim B. Happy New Year John and Everybody on the list. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Dec 31, 2009 06:05:45 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote: Hey Jim, Happy New Year. I have been back and forth a couple of times with Gary. I have this digitized with a small bit of cleanup. I will look into some stickers. I think I can get them done reasonably priced for all. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Dec 31, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Jim wrote: HI Chris, If you do arrange to have this logo made in vinyl let me know as I would also like at least two copies for the side of the fuselage. Maybe we could have it done as a group thing as Gary, Michael, Mike, you and me all will need them (I think we would all want them on our Piets). Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Dec 31, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> What logo are you thinking of? I dont know of any official logos but this logo will be on my plane when its done. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/IMG_2236.JPG I am going to have it made out of vinyl when the time comes. They can make anything out of vinyl, if you have enough money that is. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:44 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo Can someone tell me if/where the Pietenpol Aircamper logo is available? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down ) href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">h (And Get * The Builder's Bookstore http://www.matronics.com/co -Matt Dralle, List - The --> http://www.matr &n============ ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:27 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? NX92GB has the 12 plate corvair cooler mounted at the stock corvair locatio n.- We originally had the 8? plate cooler and it ran a little to high on the oil temp.- No problems with the 12 plate cooler.- Another thing to consider is where you measure oil temp, you get drastic differences. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I juss wanted to say From: "John Recine" SGFwcHkgTmV3IFllYXIgdG8gYWxsIHRoZSBQaWV0ZXJzIGJpZyBhbmQgc21hbGwsIG5lYXIgYW5k IGZhciENCg0KSm9obiBSZWNpbmUNCg0KQW5kIEkgZG9uJ3QgY2FyZSBpZiBpdCBhcmNoaXZlcyBv ciBub3QNClNlbnQgZnJvbSBteSBWZXJpem9uIFdpcmVsZXNzIEJsYWNrQmVycnkNCg0KLS0tLS1P cmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IHNoYWQgYmVsbCA8YXZpYXRvcmJlbGxAeWFob28u Y29tPg0KRGF0ZTogVGh1LCAzMSBEZWMgMjAwOSAxOToxMToyOSANClRvOiA8cGlldGVucG9sLWxp c3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJFOiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogQ29ydmFpciBQ aWV0IE9pbCBDb29sZXIgbG9jYXRpb25zPw0KDQoNCg0KTlg5MkdCIGhhcyB0aGUgMTIgcGxhdGUg Y29ydmFpciBjb29sZXIgbW91bnRlZCBhdCB0aGUgc3RvY2sgY29ydmFpciBsb2NhdGlvbi6gIFdl IG9yaWdpbmFsbHkgaGFkIHRoZSA4PyBwbGF0ZSBjb29sZXIgYW5kIGl0IHJhbiBhIGxpdHRsZSB0 byBoaWdoIG9uIHRoZSBvaWwgdGVtcC6gIE5vIHByb2JsZW1zIHdpdGggdGhlIDEyIHBsYXRlIGNv b2xlci6gIEFub3RoZXIgdGhpbmcgdG8gY29uc2lkZXIgaXMgd2hlcmUgeW91IG1lYXN1cmUgb2ls IHRlbXAsIHlvdSBnZXQgZHJhc3RpYyBkaWZmZXJlbmNlcy4NCqANClNoYWQNCg0KDQogICAgICAN Cg0K ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:21 PM PST US From: "Ernie Moreno" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail braces in place of cables Hell Mike, my Pietenpol does indeed have rods on the tail feathers similar to a a Aeronca Champ. If I were to do it again, I would go with cables, much lighter and less cost. My rods have left and right thread ends so they are adjustable. Ernie Moreno ---- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail braces in place of cables > > > Michael; > > I seem to remember that Ernie Moreno's Piet had brace > rods in place of cables, but I don't remember for sure. > There should be pictures on Westcoastpiet. > > Like Pieti (or someone) said, it's pretty common to > see that setup, like on Cubs. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:24 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo If you guys just want the logo like that I can make them. I have a vinyl cutter. I can do them up to 24" tall. I think I have the vector file already set up for it too. It seems like I cut the "Pride of Cherry Grove" part out but it's only a thirty second job to throw it back in if someone wants it like that. It's been awhile since I've made stickers so I don't remember what color vinyls I have in stock anymore. I'm sure I still have lots of white, red, black, a blue color (I'm not sure exactly what blue I have) and I'm sure I still have some school bus yellow around here. I'll have to check to see what I have exactly. Mike Groah I painted my cooling scoops today. Tomorrow I'll sand my cockpit for it's final clear coat. 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