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1. 05:50 AM - Happy New Year (hvandervoo@aol.com)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Pietenpol Logo (ivan.todorovic)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Logo (Andrew M Eldredge)
4. 06:08 AM - Re: Pietenpol Logo (ivan.todorovic)
5. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Logo (Gary Boothe)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (airlion)
7. 09:22 AM - Bend in push pull tube (Michael Perez)
8. 11:21 AM - Re: Tail braces in place of cables (Michael Perez)
9. 12:43 PM - Re: Bend in push pull tube (David Paule)
10. 01:04 PM - Re: Tail braces in place of cables (Ernie Moreno)
11. 01:06 PM - Re: Bend in push pull tube (Michael Perez)
12. 01:45 PM - Re: Tail braces in place of cables (Michael Perez)
13. 02:55 PM - Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company (Gary Boothe)
14. 02:58 PM - Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? (shad bell)
15. 03:01 PM - Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company (mike)
16. 03:08 PM - Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company (Gary Boothe)
17. 03:55 PM - Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company (Ben Charvet)
18. 04:04 PM - Re: Pietenpol Logo (Jack Phillips)
19. 04:09 PM - Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company (Jim)
20. 04:23 PM - Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company (Gary Boothe)
21. 06:39 PM - Re: Center section covering (Don Emch)
22. 06:39 PM - Re: Center section covering (Don Emch)
23. 07:35 PM - Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company (Jeff Boatright)
24. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: Center section covering (Rick Holland)
25. 11:04 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
26. 11:09 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
27. 11:11 PM - Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company (K5YAC)
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Any many Happy Landings
Hans
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
Ah, my nerd skills now can come into play:
Attached is vector image in PDF format, now 17"x11"
but it can be enlarged indefinitely without a loss in quality.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279580#279580
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/logo_185.pdf
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
Michael, If you have a vector file, I'd be interested in a copy. I drew
something like that up in coreldraw, it would have been roughly 1997 or so
when Steve was finishing what is now my airplane, but that vector file is
long lost to me. I'm getting ready to re-cover my fuselage and I was
setting up for another trace.
Andrew M. Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you guys just want the logo like that I can make them. I have a vinyl
> cutter. I can do them up to 24" tall. I think I have the vector file
> already set up for it too. It seems like I cut the "Pride of Cherry Grove"
> part out but it's only a thirty second job to throw it back in if someone
> wants it like that. It's been awhile since I've made stickers so I don't
> remember what color vinyls I have in stock anymore. I'm sure I still have
> lots of white, red, black, a blue color (I'm not sure exactly what blue I
> have) and I'm sure I still have some school bus yellow around here. I'll
> have to check to see what I have exactly.
>
> Mike Groah
> I painted my cooling scoops today. Tomorrow I'll sand my cockpit for it's
> final clear coat.
> Happy New year to you all!
>
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
andrew.eldredge(at)gmail. wrote:
> Michael, If you have a vector file, I'd be interested in a copy...
Andrew, you are 5 minutes late :)
Ivan
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Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Logo |
Happy New Year, Mike! I may take you up on that, down the road. For now, I
made an aluminum faceplate for my prop and wanted to try etching, with my
sandblaster:
Pietenpol
AirCamper
1937
All in the right font, of course. My hope is that if I get the vinyl cut in
a heavy enough material that it will hold up long enough to do the etching.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
If you guys just want the logo like that I can make them. I have a vinyl
cutter. I can do them up to 24" tall. I think I have the vector file
already set up for it too. It seems like I cut the "Pride of Cherry Grove"
part out but it's only a thirty second job to throw it back in if someone
wants it like that. It's been awhile since I've made stickers so I don't
remember what color vinyls I have in stock anymore. I'm sure I still have
lots of white, red, black, a blue color (I'm not sure exactly what blue I
have) and I'm sure I still have some school bus yellow around here. I'll
have to check to see what I have exactly.
Mike Groah
I painted my cooling scoops today. Tomorrow I'll sand my cockpit for it's
final clear coat.
Happy New year to you all!
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
Shad, What temps are you getting on the ground and in flight? Gardiner Mason
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From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:11:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
NX92GB has the 12 plate corvair cooler mounted at the stock corvair location.
We originally had the 8? plate cooler and it ran a little to high on the oil temp.
No problems with the 12 plate cooler. Another thing to consider is where
you measure oil temp, you get drastic differences.
>
>Shad
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Subject: | Bend in push pull tube |
To make my life easier, I would prefer to put a bend in my elevator push/pu
ll tube. About 3 or so inches from the pilot stick, I would like to put abo
ut a 30 deg. bend to straighten it out to go under the seat.- Is this a b
ad idea? Will this bend compromise the control system? It seems more then s
trong enough for a Pietenpol, but I have been wrong before. Thanks.
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Subject: | Re: Tail braces in place of cables |
Thanks to all who replied. I like the look of the hard wire/rod and no turn
buckles. But where I am lost is the size and material of the wire. I would
like to use something small, cut my own threads on the ends and use nuts t
o adjust tension. My other thought was to use cable, but sewage on a fork e
nd and a threaded end and again use the threaded end for the tension adjust
ment.- I'll have to pay for the swageing and the fittings, but I'll save
on the turnbuckles. ANYHOO, before I ramble on, I now know it has been done
before, so I need to figure out how I want to do it and how much I want to
spend. Thanks again.
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Subject: | Re: Bend in push pull tube |
A bend will drastically reduce the compression strength of the push rod.
The bend adds moment arm and then you have something called "beam-column
bending" which tends to greatly reduce the compression strength of a
simple column.
For a particular case, you'd need to do some analysis. One of the better
references is by Bruhn, and a good technical library will have a copy.
Otherwise the ASM that I'd previously recommended will do fine, but it's
a bit more difficult to use.
But you can always make one like that and give it a try on the ground.
If you can put your maximum strength on the stick without bending or
collapsing the tube, it's probably okay. Hint - don't try that on the
real airplane. Try it on a mockpit with test hardware, not flight
hardware.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bend in push pull tube
To make my life easier, I would prefer to put a bend in my
elevator push/pull tube. About 3 or so inches from the pilot stick, I
would like to put about a 30 deg. bend to straighten it out to go under
the seat. Is this a bad idea? Will this bend compromise the control
system? It seems more then strong enough for a Pietenpol, but I have
been wrong before. Thanks.
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Subject: | Re: Tail braces in place of cables |
hello Mike P., a local vender that does swaging of cables does them for
under $10 per end on the cables. At this sum it is not cost effective to
buy turnbuckles. Even when you toss in the price of the the threaded end
and fork which by the way can be right and left hand thread they are
much cheaper than buying four turnbuckles. They also look very nice. I
have over the years cussed my rods out because of the constant corrosion
issues.
Ernie Moreno
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail braces in place of cables
Thanks to all who replied. I like the look of the hard
wire/rod and no turn buckles. But where I am lost is the size and
material of the wire. I would like to use something small, cut my own
threads on the ends and use nuts to adjust tension. My other thought was
to use cable, but sewage on a fork end and a threaded end and again use
the threaded end for the tension adjustment. I'll have to pay for the
swageing and the fittings, but I'll save on the turnbuckles. ANYHOO,
before I ramble on, I now know it has been done before, so I need to
figure out how I want to do it and how much I want to spend. Thanks
again.
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Subject: | Re: Bend in push pull tube |
After spending more time with the "fake" (3/8" aluminum tube) It seems that
I can use a much smaller, (less severe) -bend further under the seat and
then attach it to the idler arm behind the seat. The bend amount seems to
vary depending on where along the length of the tube it is placed.
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Subject: | Re: Tail braces in place of cables |
Ernie, I may be able to swage my own fittings. I may have access to a swager that
I have used in the past for making cables. I just hope the guys I worked with
back then are still around and will allow me to use the machine.
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Subject: | Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company |
Many, many thanks to Dan Helsper and P.F. Beck!!
Starting next weekend is The Kitchen Remodel.guess that'll slow me down a
bit.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations? |
I am not positive,(with out looking at the gauge in front of me), In flight
in 85-90 degree weather it runs about 220-230 degrees, measured at the bot
tom of the oil pan.- Ground run temp is quite less, as I don't typically
run more than a 5 min warm up time.- We use Shell Rotella T 15-40 and hav
e no problems with it.- The only annoying issue we have is a very slow "s
eap" from the back of the oil pan when the oil is warm and the airplane is
in a 3 point stance.- We might have to take the pan off before next sprin
g and put a new gasket on with some permatex gasket sealer to stop the drip
ing.
-
Hope this helps
Shad
--- On Fri, 1/1/10, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
Shad, What temps are you getting on the ground and in flight? Gardiner Maso
n
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:11:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Piet Oil Cooler locations?
NX92GB has the 12 plate corvair cooler mounted at the stock corvair locatio
n.- We originally had the 8? plate cooler and it ran a little to high on
the oil temp.- No problems with the 12 plate cooler.- Another thing to
consider is where you measure oil temp, you get drastic differences.
-
Shad
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Subject: | Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company |
Gary,
You did all that with a chainsaw? Wow!
Mike
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company
Many, many thanks to Dan Helsper and P.F. Beck!!
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Subject: | Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company |
Yeah.you should see the grandfather clock I built with a chainsaw..;-0
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company
Gary,
You did all that with a chainsaw? Wow!
Mike
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company
Many, many thanks to Dan Helsper and P.F. Beck!!
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Subject: | Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company |
Yes, but you can use the Kitchen Remodel as an excuse to buy more tools,
or justify the ones you already bought!
Ben
>
> Starting next weekend is The Kitchen Remodelguess thatll slow me
> down a bit
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (16 ribs down)
>
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Denny at Avgrafix did my logo and my 30" number stencils for the wings as
well. He is great to work with.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Logo
Don't forget about Avgrafix, http://avgrafix.com/
They are the outfit that did the nice graphics
on Mike Cuy's airplane and also made the brass
data plates that I sell for Pietenpols. Contact
Denny Demeter at Avgrafix with whatever you need
and he can make it, or may already have the
artwork in stock if it's been done before.
Another resource is Kris Niswonger, right on my
own home field of San Geronimo Airpark. He does
business as Vector Graphics and you can reach
him at (210)557-3585 or email him at
govectorgraphics@gmail.com
Kris and his brother Eric, and their father Gene,
owned and operated Air Graphics, LLC out of
Oshkosh and you will see the Niswonger name in
connection with some award-winning graphics on
aircraft.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company |
Wow that really looks good Gary. Beautiful job carving your prop. Thats a great
picture, thanks for sending it.
Happy New Year,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Jan 1, 2010, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Many, many thanks to Dan Helsper and P.F. Beck!!
Starting next weekend is The Kitchen Remodel…guess
that’ll slow me down a bit…
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on
gear
(16 ribs down…)
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Subject: | Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company |
Ben,
That's very true! I'm sure I need a cable swaging tool for that remodel...!
and a differential compression checker. Let's see....what else....maybe a
hanger to refinish the cabinets?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company
Yes, but you can use the Kitchen Remodel as an excuse to buy more tools,
or justify the ones you already bought!
Ben
>
> Starting next weekend is The Kitchen Remodel.guess that'll slow me
> down a bit.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (16 ribs down.)
>
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Subject: | Re: Center section covering |
Hi Rick,
I remember wondering the same thing. When I built my center section I basically
used three ribs. I just cut out the center area of the center rib. By doing
that the plywood floor was unsupported so I cut a 1/2" thick piece of stock
with the undercamber contour and glued it to the inside of the floor right where
the rib would have been. Then I glued a 1/8" x 1/2" strip to the underside
of the plywood floor right in line with where the center rib would have been
to simulate the bottom capstrip. When I covered the center section I just glued
the fabric to the end ribs then drilled small holes through the plywood floor
along side my 1/2" thick piece of stock that was in place of my center rib.
These holes were spaced to allow for the proper spacing of rib stitching within
the prop wash. Then I rib stitched that center "rib" through those holes.
After covering, the underside of the center section looks like any other area
of the wing and the ribstitching allows for the fabric to be pulled up into
the undercamber. I'll see if I can find pictures, it would sure help make it
more clear!
Don Emch
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Subject: | Re: Center section covering |
Hi Rick,
I remember wondering the same thing. When I built my center section I basically
used three ribs. I just cut out the center area of the center rib. By doing
that the plywood floor was unsupported so I cut a 1/2" thick piece of stock
with the undercamber contour and glued it to the inside of the floor right where
the rib would have been. Then I glued a 1/8" x 1/2" strip to the underside
of the plywood floor right in line with where the center rib would have been
to simulate the bottom capstrip. When I covered the center section I just glued
the fabric to the end ribs then drilled small holes through the plywood floor
along side my 1/2" thick piece of stock that was in place of my center rib.
These holes were spaced to allow for the proper spacing of rib stitching within
the prop wash. Then I rib stitched that center "rib" through those holes.
After covering, the underside of the center section looks like any other area
of the wing and the ribstitching allows for the fabric to be pulled up into
the undercamber. I'll see if I can find pictures, it would sure help make it
more clear!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company |
A differential compression checker? Heck, you can justify that for
personal health reasons. Why pay a GI spesh'list when you can check
y'own presha f' y'sef?
Do not archive...
>
>Ben,
>
>That's very true! I'm sure I need a cable swaging tool for that remodel...!
>and a differential compression checker. Let's see....what else....maybe a
>hanger to refinish the cabinets?
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, Ca.
>Pietenpol
>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>(16 ribs down.)
>
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Subject: | Re: Center section covering |
Thanks Don, I like your idea of a 1/8" strip to simulate the bottom of a rib
in the center of the plywood.
rick
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> I remember wondering the same thing. When I built my center section I
> basically used three ribs. I just cut out the center area of the center
> rib. By doing that the plywood floor was unsupported so I cut a 1/2" thick
> piece of stock with the undercamber contour and glued it to the inside of
> the floor right where the rib would have been. Then I glued a 1/8" x 1/2"
> strip to the underside of the plywood floor right in line with where the
> center rib would have been to simulate the bottom capstrip. When I covered
> the center section I just glued the fabric to the end ribs then drilled
> small holes through the plywood floor along side my 1/2" thick piece of
> stock that was in place of my center rib. These holes were spaced to allow
> for the proper spacing of rib stitching within the prop wash. Then I rib
> stitched that center "rib" through those holes. After covering, the
> underside of the center section looks like any other area of the wing and
> the ribstitching allows for the fa!
> bric to be pulled up into the undercamber. I'll see if I can find
> pictures, it would sure help make it more clear!
>
> Don Emch
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279699#279699
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Pietenpol-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Pietenpol-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "pietenpol-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Subject: | Re: Happy New Year from The Cool Propeller Company |
That looks fantastic Gary!
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Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
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