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1. 02:34 AM - gap sealing (douweblumberg@earthlink.net)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: gap sealing (Gene & Tammy)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Jim Markle)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Jeff Boatright)
5. 07:02 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Gary Boothe)
6. 08:24 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Gene Rambo)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Gary Boothe)
8. 09:19 AM - fuel tank/centre wing (Marc Dumay)
9. 10:22 AM - Re: fuel tank/centre wing (Jack Phillips)
10. 02:12 PM - Elevator bell crank stremline tube size (Michael Perez)
11. 07:33 PM - Sky scout w/b (Dick N)
12. 08:18 PM - 3 years in the making (amsafetyc@aol.com)
13. 09:08 PM - Re: Sky scout w/b (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
14. 09:09 PM - Re: fuel tank/centre wing (gcardinal)
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Can you guys refresh my memory as to ways you sealed your aileron gaps?
I tried some colored vinyl and it was too light and fragile.
Could one use weatherstripping foam? The gap is less than 1/2"
Thanks
Douwe
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Douwe, you must have used the wrong vinyl! I've used it on serveral planes
and know others that use it and this is the first time I've heard of it
being fragile. I use it in cold as well as hot weather. I wasn't awear
there were different grades or thickness. I bought my vinyl from a sign
maker. Very tough stuff. If you decide to try it again, you might check
with the seller about the thickness.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap sealing
>
> Can you guys refresh my memory as to ways you sealed your aileron gaps?
>
> I tried some colored vinyl and it was too light and fragile.
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> Could one use weatherstripping foam? The gap is less than 1/2"
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> Thanks
>
> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Making "Wire Edges" |
VERY neat....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>Sent: Jan 2, 2010 7:15 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges"
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>Group,
>
>
>
>I recently asked the group about making wire edges for the front of the
>cooling eyebrows. A number of responses came back (frankly, I lost track of
>who said what), but I decided to try a scrap piece out of 25 ga. 6061.
>
>
>
>Obviously, I'll be a little more sophisticated about the bending process.
>This little sample took no more than 10 minutes, and was my first attempt.
>(attachments are not in order)
>
>
>
>Gary Boothe
>
>Cool, Ca.
>
>Pietenpol
>
>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
>(16 ribs down.)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Making "Wire Edges" |
Gary,
Very nice. Once the front lip is wired and beaded, did you form the
gentle bend by forming around that tin can? Is there any tendency for
the beaded lip to kink?
Thanks,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Making "Wire Edges" |
Jeff,
Thanks. First, I tried 'rolling' the edge back and forth across the soft
edge of my workbench, with gentle pressure. It worked fine, and would
probably work better on a longer wired edge. But the can was sitting there
in front of me, so gave that a try, too. In neither case did I see a
tendancy for the edge to kink. That was the reassuring part!
The Hans van der Voort plans call for a 2 1/2" radius, though, so I think I
will just make a template out of a piece of 2 x 4.
Cooling ears are today's project...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges"
Gary,
Very nice. Once the front lip is wired and beaded, did you form the
gentle bend by forming around that tin can? Is there any tendency for
the beaded lip to kink?
Thanks,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Making "Wire Edges" |
Gary:
You really do not want the excess inside of the wire, it will never
tighten down as it is supposed to and there is no way to trim it. If
you figure out how much material it will take to go around the wire and
tuck in tight, say 1/2", make a fold 1/2" from the edge and bend it
beyond 90 degrees, then place the wire in it and using a pair of
smooth-jawed duckbill pliers (or similar) fold it on over and tuck it
tight under and against the wire with no excess. If there is excess, it
will not be tight against the wire. It is quick and easy, and the less
excess there is, the less tendency to fold.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe<mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges"
Group,
I recently asked the group about making wire edges for the front of
the cooling eyebrows. A number of responses came back (frankly, I lost
track of who said what), but I decided to try a scrap piece out of 25
ga. 6061.
Obviously, I'll be a little more sophisticated about the bending
process. This little sample took no more than 10 minutes, and was my
first attempt. (attachments are not in order)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | Making "Wire Edges" |
Gene,
I'll definitely give that a try! I was following the "Barry Davis Method",
which gave good results right out the gate, but I did notice that the tuck
was not really tight to the wire. That's why I used the dulled, wide cold
chisel.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges"
Gary:
You really do not want the excess inside of the wire, it will never tighten
down as it is supposed to and there is no way to trim it. If you figure out
how much material it will take to go around the wire and tuck in tight, say
1/2", make a fold 1/2" from the edge and bend it beyond 90 degrees, then
place the wire in it and using a pair of smooth-jawed duckbill pliers (or
similar) fold it on over and tuck it tight under and against the wire with
no excess. If there is excess, it will not be tight against the wire. It
is quick and easy, and the less excess there is, the less tendency to fold.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges"
Group,
I recently asked the group about making wire edges for the front of the
cooling eyebrows. A number of responses came back (frankly, I lost track of
who said what), but I decided to try a scrap piece out of 25 ga. 6061.
Obviously, I'll be a little more sophisticated about the bending process.
This little sample took no more than 10 minutes, and was my first attempt.
(attachments are not in order)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | fuel tank/centre wing |
Happy New Year
We are preparing to pursue building our fuel tank, and need some input from
our experienced mentors.
Fibreglass versus aluminum. Looking for minimum weight, maximum fuel
capacity and trouble free drain and fill connections when finished.
What thickness have other builders used in making either style?
May 2010 be a Year of safe flying/building and Blue Skies for all
captmarcus@sympatico.ca
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| Subject: | fuel tank/centre wing |
I used .050" 5052 H32 Aluminum, riveted together, then TIG welded along all
seams and over each rivet.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Dumay
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank/centre wing
Happy New Year
We are preparing to pursue building our fuel tank, and need some input from
our experienced mentors.
Fibreglass versus aluminum. Looking for minimum weight, maximum fuel
capacity and trouble free drain and fill connections when finished.
What thickness have other builders used in making either style?
May 2010 be a Year of safe flying/building and Blue Skies for all
captmarcus@sympatico.ca
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| Subject: | Elevator bell crank stremline tube size |
The plans say something like #1667 for the streamline tube to make the bell
crank arm. What size have you guys used? Anything different then the strea
mline? I thought about flat steel, but worry about twist.- Someday, I wil
l need cabane and flying stuts, but for now, I just want to get my bell cra
nk made.
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A question for Sky Scout builders. Does that model use the same
numbers, 15-20" aft LE of wing for CG range? I am building from the
Flying Glider Manual plans and havent seen that point discussed there.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | 3 years in the making |
My official start build date was January 07,2007. While working away on my
2 year rolling schedule, I did not realize the amount or degree of progress
that was being made. Tonight January 03, 2010, I finished building the
last major structural element. I got the center section built and short of the
metal straps and bottom sheet installed the center section, now exists.
Technically this was the last major structural element I needed to build in
the construction phase of my Piet. Far from a completed aircraft
construction project it just occurred to me that all the major components now
exist.
Strange realization and almost 3 years to the day in the making.
Just figured that had to be a major milestone. Now for the other 16 ton of
work to get it to inspection, then its the test flight and fly off the 40
hours so it will be ready for the Muncie fair.
The 2011 Muncie fair (Brodhead) is only 19 months away!
John
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Dick - sorry to hijack your post here but have you started the scout projec
t now?
Tom B.
From: horzpool@goldengate.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky scout w/b
A question for Sky Scout builders. Does that
model use the same numbers=2C 15-20" aft LE of wing for CG range? I am
building from the Flying Glider Manual plans and havent seen that point
discussed there.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank/centre wing |
NX18235 also has a TIG welded aluminum tank. No worries with any kind of
fuel and fittings are rock solid when welded in place.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank/centre wing
I used .050" 5052 H32 Aluminum, riveted together, then TIG welded
along all seams and over each rivet.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Dumay
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:16 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank/centre wing
Happy New Year
We are preparing to pursue building our fuel tank, and need some input
from our experienced mentors.
Fibreglass versus aluminum. Looking for minimum weight, maximum fuel
capacity and trouble free drain and fill connections when finished.
What thickness have other builders used in making either style?
May 2010 be a Year of safe flying/building and Blue Skies for all
captmarcus@sympatico.ca
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