---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/03/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:34 AM - gap sealing (douweblumberg@earthlink.net) 2. 05:12 AM - Re: gap sealing (Gene & Tammy) 3. 06:11 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Jim Markle) 4. 06:50 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Jeff Boatright) 5. 07:02 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Gary Boothe) 6. 08:24 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Gene Rambo) 7. 09:10 AM - Re: Making "Wire Edges" (Gary Boothe) 8. 09:19 AM - fuel tank/centre wing (Marc Dumay) 9. 10:22 AM - Re: fuel tank/centre wing (Jack Phillips) 10. 02:12 PM - Elevator bell crank stremline tube size (Michael Perez) 11. 07:33 PM - Sky scout w/b (Dick N) 12. 08:18 PM - 3 years in the making (amsafetyc@aol.com) 13. 09:08 PM - Re: Sky scout w/b (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 14. 09:09 PM - Re: fuel tank/centre wing (gcardinal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:31 AM PST US From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap sealing Can you guys refresh my memory as to ways you sealed your aileron gaps? I tried some colored vinyl and it was too light and fragile. Could one use weatherstripping foam? The gap is less than 1/2" Thanks Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:36 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap sealing Douwe, you must have used the wrong vinyl! I've used it on serveral planes and know others that use it and this is the first time I've heard of it being fragile. I use it in cold as well as hot weather. I wasn't awear there were different grades or thickness. I bought my vinyl from a sign maker. Very tough stuff. If you decide to try it again, you might check with the seller about the thickness. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap sealing > > Can you guys refresh my memory as to ways you sealed your aileron gaps? > > I tried some colored vinyl and it was too light and fragile. > > Could one use weatherstripping foam? The gap is less than 1/2" > > Thanks > > Douwe > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08:22:00 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:43 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" VERY neat.... -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe >Sent: Jan 2, 2010 7:15 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" > >Group, > > > >I recently asked the group about making wire edges for the front of the >cooling eyebrows. A number of responses came back (frankly, I lost track of >who said what), but I decided to try a scrap piece out of 25 ga. 6061. > > > >Obviously, I'll be a little more sophisticated about the bending process. >This little sample took no more than 10 minutes, and was my first attempt. >(attachments are not in order) > > > >Gary Boothe > >Cool, Ca. > >Pietenpol > >WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > >Tail done, Fuselage on gear > >(16 ribs down.) > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:48 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" Gary, Very nice. Once the front lip is wired and beaded, did you form the gentle bend by forming around that tin can? Is there any tendency for the beaded lip to kink? Thanks, Jeff ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:46 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" Jeff, Thanks. First, I tried 'rolling' the edge back and forth across the soft edge of my workbench, with gentle pressure. It worked fine, and would probably work better on a longer wired edge. But the can was sitting there in front of me, so gave that a try, too. In neither case did I see a tendancy for the edge to kink. That was the reassuring part! The Hans van der Voort plans call for a 2 1/2" radius, though, so I think I will just make a template out of a piece of 2 x 4. Cooling ears are today's project... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:48 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" Gary, Very nice. Once the front lip is wired and beaded, did you form the gentle bend by forming around that tin can? Is there any tendency for the beaded lip to kink? Thanks, Jeff ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:33 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" Gary: You really do not want the excess inside of the wire, it will never tighten down as it is supposed to and there is no way to trim it. If you figure out how much material it will take to go around the wire and tuck in tight, say 1/2", make a fold 1/2" from the edge and bend it beyond 90 degrees, then place the wire in it and using a pair of smooth-jawed duckbill pliers (or similar) fold it on over and tuck it tight under and against the wire with no excess. If there is excess, it will not be tight against the wire. It is quick and easy, and the less excess there is, the less tendency to fold. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" Group, I recently asked the group about making wire edges for the front of the cooling eyebrows. A number of responses came back (frankly, I lost track of who said what), but I decided to try a scrap piece out of 25 ga. 6061. Obviously, I'll be a little more sophisticated about the bending process. This little sample took no more than 10 minutes, and was my first attempt. (attachments are not in order) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:54 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" Gene, I'll definitely give that a try! I was following the "Barry Davis Method", which gave good results right out the gate, but I did notice that the tuck was not really tight to the wire. That's why I used the dulled, wide cold chisel. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" Gary: You really do not want the excess inside of the wire, it will never tighten down as it is supposed to and there is no way to trim it. If you figure out how much material it will take to go around the wire and tuck in tight, say 1/2", make a fold 1/2" from the edge and bend it beyond 90 degrees, then place the wire in it and using a pair of smooth-jawed duckbill pliers (or similar) fold it on over and tuck it tight under and against the wire with no excess. If there is excess, it will not be tight against the wire. It is quick and easy, and the less excess there is, the less tendency to fold. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making "Wire Edges" Group, I recently asked the group about making wire edges for the front of the cooling eyebrows. A number of responses came back (frankly, I lost track of who said what), but I decided to try a scrap piece out of 25 ga. 6061. Obviously, I'll be a little more sophisticated about the bending process. This little sample took no more than 10 minutes, and was my first attempt. (attachments are not in order) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:39 AM PST US From: "Marc Dumay" Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank/centre wing Happy New Year We are preparing to pursue building our fuel tank, and need some input from our experienced mentors. Fibreglass versus aluminum. Looking for minimum weight, maximum fuel capacity and trouble free drain and fill connections when finished. What thickness have other builders used in making either style? May 2010 be a Year of safe flying/building and Blue Skies for all captmarcus@sympatico.ca ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:36 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank/centre wing I used .050" 5052 H32 Aluminum, riveted together, then TIG welded along all seams and over each rivet. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Dumay Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank/centre wing Happy New Year We are preparing to pursue building our fuel tank, and need some input from our experienced mentors. Fibreglass versus aluminum. Looking for minimum weight, maximum fuel capacity and trouble free drain and fill connections when finished. What thickness have other builders used in making either style? May 2010 be a Year of safe flying/building and Blue Skies for all captmarcus@sympatico.ca ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:15 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator bell crank stremline tube size The plans say something like #1667 for the streamline tube to make the bell crank arm. What size have you guys used? Anything different then the strea mline? I thought about flat steel, but worry about twist.- Someday, I wil l need cabane and flying stuts, but for now, I just want to get my bell cra nk made. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:12 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky scout w/b A question for Sky Scout builders. Does that model use the same numbers, 15-20" aft LE of wing for CG range? I am building from the Flying Glider Manual plans and havent seen that point discussed there. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:51 PM PST US From: amsafetyc@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 years in the making My official start build date was January 07,2007. While working away on my 2 year rolling schedule, I did not realize the amount or degree of progress that was being made. Tonight January 03, 2010, I finished building the last major structural element. I got the center section built and short of the metal straps and bottom sheet installed the center section, now exists. Technically this was the last major structural element I needed to build in the construction phase of my Piet. Far from a completed aircraft construction project it just occurred to me that all the major components now exist. Strange realization and almost 3 years to the day in the making. Just figured that had to be a major milestone. Now for the other 16 ton of work to get it to inspection, then its the test flight and fly off the 40 hours so it will be ready for the Muncie fair. The 2011 Muncie fair (Brodhead) is only 19 months away! John ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:12 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sky scout w/b Dick - sorry to hijack your post here but have you started the scout projec t now? Tom B. From: horzpool@goldengate.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky scout w/b A question for Sky Scout builders. Does that model use the same numbers=2C 15-20" aft LE of wing for CG range? I am building from the Flying Glider Manual plans and havent seen that point discussed there. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:04 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank/centre wing NX18235 also has a TIG welded aluminum tank. No worries with any kind of fuel and fittings are rock solid when welded in place. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank/centre wing I used .050" 5052 H32 Aluminum, riveted together, then TIG welded along all seams and over each rivet. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Dumay Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:16 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank/centre wing Happy New Year We are preparing to pursue building our fuel tank, and need some input from our experienced mentors. Fibreglass versus aluminum. Looking for minimum weight, maximum fuel capacity and trouble free drain and fill connections when finished. What thickness have other builders used in making either style? 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