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1. 06:23 AM - Lee Bottom field.... (Jim Markle)
2. 07:02 AM - Re: gap sealing (kevinpurtee)
3. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Elevator bell crank stremline tube size (Michael Perez)
4. 07:28 AM - Re: Lee Bottom field.... (K5YAC)
5. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: gap sealing (Dan Yocum)
6. 08:35 AM - Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (Michael Perez)
7. 08:52 AM - Re: Lee Bottom field.... (Richard Schreiber)
8. 09:10 AM - Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (David Paule)
9. 09:13 AM - Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (Michael Silvius)
10. 09:29 AM - 50 Hour Report (kevinpurtee)
11. 09:36 AM - Re: gap sealing (kevinpurtee)
12. 09:44 AM - Lee Bottom field.... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
13. 09:44 AM - Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (vahowdy@aol.com)
14. 09:45 AM - Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (Tim Willis)
15. 10:14 AM - Re: 50 Hour Report (Tim Willis)
16. 10:21 AM - Re: 50 Hour Report (kevinpurtee)
17. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: 50 Hour Report (Tim Willis)
18. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: 50 Hour Report (Ken Chambers)
19. 01:25 PM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (vman1922)
20. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: 50 Hour Report (airlion)
21. 02:44 PM - Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (Michael Perez)
22. 03:01 PM - Re: 50 Hour Report (Michael Perez)
23. 03:44 PM - Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (gliderx5@comcast.net)
24. 04:41 PM - Re: Lee Bottom field.... (Wayne Bressler)
25. 06:55 PM - Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (shad bell)
26. 09:41 PM - Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (Michael Perez)
27. 10:58 PM - Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Lee Bottom field.... |
About how far a drive is Lee Bottom from Louisville? Looks like it's close to
Louisville KY....where I'm spending the next 3 days....maybe an hour drive?
Also, anyone have any other recommendations for aviation related stuff to see/do
while I'm in the area?
11 degrees this morning in Oklahoma....
jm
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Clear 2" 3M tape from Wal Mart. Applied from the bottom, carefully tucking the
tape up into the gap. Had originally put it on top but was reading on the fly
baby list about tape coming off the top and creating roll control excitement.
So far so good, barely noticeable, inexpensive, easy to maintain and durable.
Kevin Purtee
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator bell crank stremline tube size |
I understand now. That picture may help me with my idler arm near the seat.
--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator bell crank stremline tube size
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pls see attached-- still in temporary form, as shown, with clamps, but it w
orks very well.- I need a new rear tube to the main elevator bellcrank, s
o still just clamped.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Jan 4, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator bell crank stremline tube size
Thanks Tim. I get a lot of intell. sent my way and I don't remember seeing
your crank setup. If not too much trouble, would you mind sending pictures?
You can send the direct if you don't want to take up space here.
-
I have some really, really nice machined aluminum brackets for my torque tu
be for the control sticks. One on each end and one in the center that acts
as the "safety strap".- I planned on using these same brackets/bearings f
or the crank as well.
--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator bell crank stremline tube size
et>
Michael, I sent you a pic a while back, but no dimensions of my elevator id
ler bellcrank.-
In fact, I made it from streamline tubing, and would again, but its shape i
s no longer "streamline."- It started as streamline tubing 2.25" long axi
s with about 1.00" outside across.- I squeezed it uniformly to make it 2.
50" long and 0.75" across.- This made an oval tubing section about 4 inch
es tall.-
Then I cut notches in the top and cross-drilled holes up there.- Now bear
ing ends can fit into those slots.- At the top then, are the tubes from t
he yoke and from the main elevator bellcrank. The bearings themselves are t
rapped by the tubing, with a bolt through the tubing and the bearing center
, as you might expect.-
When all was done, I had room for the bearing ends inside the length of tub
ing, with room to spare.---At the base I have a piece of half-inch ro
und tubing welded going crossways, mounted between two ball bearings and he
avy aluminum (extruded) angles.-
It is all very smooth and rigid.- Corky told me to widen the footprint of
this apparatus and make it more rigid than his prototype, and I did.- It
is overkill, but I like it.
I think Dick N. used a piece of rectangular tubing in the same way on one o
f his Piets, and I would have too, if I had seen his design first and had t
he tubing handy.- As with much else on Piets, I used what I had, without
cutting corners on specs of materials, strength, or quality.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Jan 4, 2010 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator bell crank stremline tube size
Thank you Bill. I was thinking the same exact thing...using round. I was th
inking of using flat, then weld a "rib/spine" on it for the flexing, but th
at would be heavy and a lot of fooling around when using a tube is so easy.
--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator bell crank stremline tube size
>
Michael,
I haven't built this part yet, but I don't see why it would need to be stre
amline tube. Plain ol' round tube with the ends "squished" should work just
fine. Flat steel would to be too heavy, since you'd need to have such a th
ick bar to avoid flexing. The whole reason for streamlined tubing being str
eamlined is to reduce wind resistance, which should NOT be an issue inside
the fuselage. My guess is that BHP just made use of offcuts that were on ha
nd, since it's such a short piece needed.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Lee Bottom field.... |
Jim, as I'm sure you know, you are leaving just in time. Single digits for the
rest of the week. [Shocked]
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Mark - working on wings
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Kevin,
kevinpurtee wrote:
>
> Clear 2" 3M tape from Wal Mart. Applied from the bottom, carefully tucking the
tape up into the gap. Had originally put it on top but was reading on the
fly baby list about tape coming off the top and creating roll control excitement.
So far so good, barely noticeable, inexpensive, easy to maintain and durable.
What did you paint your Piet with? The Sherwin Williams paint that the
last owner put on N8031 peels off pretty easily when a good, sticky 3M
tape is applied to it. Hence the reason I'm reluctant to seal the
elevator gap...
Thanks,
Dan
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
I have yet-some other-thoughts about the tail section cable supports.
- It seems to me it is a waste to have 8 individual cables to support the
tail.-The weight/cost/ drag of multiple cables, thimbles, turn buckles,
etc. seems a bit much.
-
I am planning on using 3/32" cable with swaged on fittings...I believe I ca
n swage them myself using the proper rotary swager.
-
-I am wondering if all 8 cables are required...why not run a single cable
for each side, top and bottom for a total of 4?- I am picturing a swaged
threaded stud end with a threaded on fork attached to the rear horizontal
fitting, the cable going up to the rudder through a fitting, (even using a
-thimble to protect the cable) then back down to-a swaged on fork, (not
threaded) attached to the forward horizontal fitting. The threaded fork on
each cable is the tension adjustment. The cable may be able to slide on th
e rudder fitting/thimble keeping even tension on both horizontal fittings.
Well, this may allow the horizontal tips to move and flex when in flight, s
o maybe anchor the bottom cables only, as per the plans. (now using 6 cable
s) Another fix would be to add a swaged on ball on the cable at the rudder
fitting and make a new fitting to hold it. This would keep the cable from s
liding and we are back to 4 cables again.- (but would need all cable
ends with threaded studs and forks for tension adjustment.) If 4 - 3/32" c
ables will not do, how about 4 --1/8" cables?-
-
Sound, worthy idea or a waste? (see attached simple sketch)
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| Subject: | Lee Bottom field.... |
Jim,
Its about 50 miles and an hours drive. Go due north on I-65 to State Rd-56.
East on 56 to Hanover Indiana, where Lee Bottom is near.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/5/2010 8:26:48 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom field....
>
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> About how far a drive is Lee Bottom from Louisville? Looks like it's
close to Louisville KY....where I'm spending the next 3 days....maybe an
hour drive?
>
> Also, anyone have any other recommendations for aviation related stuff to
see/do while I'm in the area?
>
> 11 degrees this morning in Oklahoma....
>
> jm
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
Cables have a minimum diameter for going around bends. See pulleys for
that.
You'll need to ensure that the cables can't move in either direction
around that pivot. They've got to be completely captured. A few
sailboats lost their masts when they tried this, before they learned
that.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded)
I have yet some other thoughts about the tail section cable
supports. It seems to me it is a waste to have 8 individual cables to
support the tail. The weight/cost/ drag of multiple cables, thimbles,
turn buckles, etc. seems a bit much.
I am planning on using 3/32" cable with swaged on fittings...I
believe I can swage them myself using the proper rotary swager.
I am wondering if all 8 cables are required...why not run a
single cable for each side, top and bottom for a total of 4? I am
picturing a swaged threaded stud end with a threaded on fork attached to
the rear horizontal fitting, the cable going up to the rudder through a
fitting, (even using a thimble to protect the cable) then back down to a
swaged on fork, (not threaded) attached to the forward horizontal
fitting. The threaded fork on each cable is the tension adjustment. The
cable may be able to slide on the rudder fitting/thimble keeping even
tension on both horizontal fittings. Well, this may allow the horizontal
tips to move and flex when in flight, so maybe anchor the bottom cables
only, as per the plans. (now using 6 cables) Another fix would be to add
a swaged on ball on the cable at the rudder fitting and make a new
fitting to hold it. This would keep the cable from sliding and we are
back to 4 cables again. (but would need all cable ends with threaded
studs and forks for tension adjustment.) If 4 - 3/32" cables will not
do, how about 4 - 1/8" cables?
Sound, worthy idea or a waste? (see attached simple sketch)
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| Subject: | Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
Multiple cables prevents the compromizing of the whole system should one
individual fail. With your proposed system it compromizes the structure
of the entire structure should the single cable fail.
Just a thought:
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded)
I have yet some other thoughts about the tail section cable
supports. It seems to me it is a waste to have 8 individual cables to
support the tail. The weight/cost/ drag of multiple cables, thimbles,
turn buckles, etc. seems a bit much.
I am planning on using 3/32" cable with swaged on fittings...I
believe I can swage them myself using the proper rotary swager.
I am wondering if all 8 cables are required...why not run a
single cable for each side, top and bottom for a total of 4? I am
picturing a swaged threaded stud end with a threaded on fork attached to
the rear horizontal fitting, the cable going up to the rudder through a
fitting, (even using a thimble to protect the cable) then back down to a
swaged on fork, (not threaded) attached to the forward horizontal
fitting. The threaded fork on each cable is the tension adjustment. The
cable may be able to slide on the rudder fitting/thimble keeping even
tension on both horizontal fittings. Well, this may allow the horizontal
tips to move and flex when in flight, so maybe anchor the bottom cables
only, as per the plans. (now using 6 cables) Another fix would be to add
a swaged on ball on the cable at the rudder fitting and make a new
fitting to hold it. This would keep the cable from sliding and we are
back to 4 cables again. (but would need all cable ends with threaded
studs and forks for tension adjustment.) If 4 - 3/32" cables will not
do, how about 4 - 1/8" cables?
Sound, worthy idea or a waste? (see attached simple sketch)
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For what it's worth.
Kevin Purtee
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Stits polyfiber through and through. It's pretty durable. Hadn't thought about
pulling paint off.
Fly baby website has notes on using clear 90 degree plastic angle as gap seals. You may want to look for ideas: www.bowersflybaby.com
Kevin
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| Subject: | Lee Bottom field.... |
Jim-- e-mail Rich and or Ginger Davidson on Facebook and they will let you know
if
they will be home (Rich flies for UPS out of Louisville). Great people. Let
them
know we are friends and they will say "Mike who ?" Seriously good people and
love down home aviation. Ginger is one accomplished taildragger pilot too.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
using one cable would let the stabilizer rock front to back. you have to
make a triangle to make it stable.
Howdy
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| Subject: | Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
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| Subject: | Re: 50 Hour Report |
Thanks, Kevin. Nice report.
This is Corvair-powered, C-85, what? Hitting 100mph full throttle in level
flight? That is about what they will do with a Corvair, right?
Yep, it was in 20s here today in Austin, TX, area early today, with low of
20F or less forecast tonight. Not cold by Canada, MN, WI, etc. measures, but
darned cold for here. Not a cloud in the sky now, either.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>Sent: Jan 5, 2010 12:29 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: 50 Hour Report
>
>
>For what it's worth.
>
>Kevin Purtee
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280253#280253
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>http://forums.matronics.com//files/50_hour_report_142.doc
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ks
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| Subject: | Re: 50 Hour Report |
Corvair.
Where you at, Tim? I'm sitting at Camp Mabry writing this.
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| Subject: | Re: 50 Hour Report |
I am 7 miles west of Georgetown, off Hwy. 29. The project is in my garage. We
are sited between paved and controlled Georgetown airport (KGTU) and grass Kittie
Hill (77T), under 20 min. drive to each.
What are you doing in/with the Army? Let's talk about a visit early next month.
We have some issues in the meantime that I hope are temporary.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>Sent: Jan 5, 2010 12:20 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 50 Hour Report
>
>
>Corvair.
>
>Where you at, Tim? I'm sitting at Camp Mabry writing this.
>
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>Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: 50 Hour Report |
Hey Kevin
I work in downtown Austin. Been plugging away on a long-fuselage piet for
about 7 years.
Enjoyed your progress report and I'd love to have a look at your airplane
some time.
Ken, who learns every lesson the hard way, including why not to use System 3
epoxy resin to dip your ribs.
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:20 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Corvair.
>
> Where you at, Tim? I'm sitting at Camp Mabry writing this.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
If the Pfeifer Sport plans CD is still available I would like a copy.
Thanks,
Ken Kamp
13 Laurel Hill Dr.
Quarryville, PA 17566
email: kkamp72@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: 50 Hour Report |
Ken, what is your phone Number and address where you are building your Piet? My
son lives and works in Coupland and I get out there a lot. I am building my
Piet in Lagrange Ga. Cheers, Gardiner Mason, 706 594 3811
________________________________
From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 3:20:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 50 Hour Report
Hey Kevin
I work in downtown Austin. Been plugging away on a long-fuselage piet for about
7 years.
Enjoyed your progress report and I'd love to have a look at your airplane some
time.
Ken, who learns every lesson the hard way, including why not to use System 3 epoxy
resin to dip your ribs.
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:20 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
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>>Corvair.
>
>>Where you at, Tim? I'm sitting at Camp Mabry writing this.
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| Subject: | Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
OK, so sticking to the 8 cables as on plans, is it sound to use the swaged
stud end with a threaded fork for the tension adjustment in place of the tu
rnbuckle?- My cables would then consist of swaged fork, cable, swaged stu
d with threaded fork. (3/32")
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| Subject: | Re: 50 Hour Report |
Keven, I like to hear about things like your 50 hr. update. At the end you
say every flight builds your confidence. I look forward to that for myself.
I wonder while working on the plane what kind of pilot I will be. I know h
ow I THINK I will be, but I look forward to that confidence building you me
ntioned.
--- On Tue, 1/5/10, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 50 Hour Report
il>
For what it's worth.
Kevin Purtee
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| Subject: | Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
I just finished my tail brace cables. I used 1/16" cable and no turnbuckles. I
have washers under each tab on the stabilizer which can be removed if more tension
is ever needed. I set up the geometry using a loop of nylon string in place
of each cable. I put a stick in each loop and twisted the string to adjust
the tension and position of the surfaces. Then, one by one I replaced the string
with cables. I made the loop, thimble, collar on one end first, then I just
pulled the cable tight through the collar, thimble and back through the collar
on the other end by hand and held temporarily with a cable clamp until I got
that nicopress collar completed. It was simple, inexpensive, and light weight.
Just one of many ways.
Malcolm Morrison
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2010 5:42:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded)
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| Subject: | Re: Lee Bottom field.... |
Jim,
I drove to Lee Bottom when I lived in Louisville. I don't remember
how long the drive was, but it wasn't too bad, and the airport is
certainly with the drive.
If you're into R/C models, the club field at McNeely lake is really
nice. When I was there in 2006, there were some really great guys in
that club. We were all sitting around shooting the breeze one
afternoon and a full-scale Pietenpol dropped in on us. He did an
unintentional touch and go when he took his hand off the stick to wave
hello, and left in a hurry! I have no idea who that was, though.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
Only problem I see is you can't adjust your leading edge up and down.- IF
, the stab were built stiffer, it would not be as much an issue, however th
e pietenpol tail is a light flimsy structure, that needs proper bracing.-
My oppinion is to at least have 2 seperate cables, with at least 1 being a
djustable.- For the added $30-$40 just make them per the plans with-all
having turnbuckles.- I think you will save much heart ache and time just
biting the bullet and buying the turnbuckles.- As far as saving some $$$
$, Just substitute motercycle chain links for the clevises, if in doubt abo
ut the strength, try pulling them with a tractor, thy won't break before th
e clevis pin.- NX92GB has a few chain links in place of clevises, and the
y will hold all day long.
-
Shad
-
p.s. I think there is a link of where to buy used turnbuckeles on the list
some where=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
Just curious, why would I need the cables to adjust the leading edge? I wou
ld think the cables would, for the most part,-move the outer tips of the
horizontal. Even if only the forward most cables-were used, it would twis
t the horizontal stab., as it is not going to move much the closer-you ge
t to the rudder. Would-I not just shim the entire horizontal at the leadi
ng edge on the fuselage and then re-adjust cable tension to suit? I would l
ike to have a flat horizontal stab. Pulling on it with the cables would mak
e it bow up towards the rudder or twist it at the tips. (Maybe I'm missing
something?)
-
I would only use the cable adjustment for truing the horiz. and vert. stab.
to each other, to the fuselage and to make them as flat/true as possible.
Then the tension would be dialed in so each cable had the same tension. (ma
intaining trueness) From there, any adverse flying traits would be handled
with shimming.
-
I think I now have a handle on the cables and fittings I will use.
-
Thanks Shad.
-
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--- On Tue, 1/5/10, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded)
Only problem I see is you can't adjust your leading edge up and down.- IF
, the stab were built stiffer, it would not be as much an issue, however th
e pietenpol tail is a light flimsy structure, that needs proper bracing.-
My oppinion is to at least have 2 seperate cables, with at least 1 being a
djustable.- For the added $30-$40 just make them per the plans with-all
having turnbuckles.- I think you will save much heart ache and time just
biting the bullet and buying the turnbuckles.- As far as saving some $$$
$, Just substitute motercycle chain links for the clevises, if in doubt abo
ut the strength, try pulling them with a tractor, thy won't break before th
e clevis pin.- NX92GB has a few chain links in place of clevises, and the
y will hold all day long.
-
Shad
-
p.s. I think there is a link of where to buy used turnbuckeles on the list
some where
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| Subject: | Re: Using half of the tail cables? (long winded) |
Isn't the ultimate rocking known as flutter?
Sounds like a good way to have a VERY bad day.
Clif
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Using half of the tail cables? (long
winded)
using one cable would let the stabilizer rock front to back. you have
to make a triangle to make it stable.
Howdy
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