---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/10/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Weight & balance matrix (Jack) 2. 05:23 AM - Re: Inspiration (bryan green) 3. 05:50 AM - Re: The Airplane as Art - Gene Rambo's Pietenpol (Wayne Bressler) 4. 10:50 AM - My cousin's LSA (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 5. 12:46 PM - Re: My cousin's LSA (Rob Stapleton) 6. 01:47 PM - Re: My cousin's LSA (Dave and Connie) 7. 01:55 PM - Nicopress Tool (K5YAC) 8. 02:47 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Jerry Dotson) 9. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Darrel Jones) 10. 04:56 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Bill Church) 11. 05:20 PM - Re: My cousin's LSA (shad bell) 12. 05:30 PM - Re: Inspiration (shad bell) 13. 05:50 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (K5YAC) 14. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Nicopress Tool (Tim Willis) 15. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: My cousin's LSA (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:32 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight & balance matrix Some time ago someone put together a matrix showing different combinations of weight, engines, fuselage size, etc. Can someone point me in the right direction to find this? Thanks PS Thanks for the comments on the ash cross members. Jerry come on up to Iowa to understand cold. :-) Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:30 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration Sorry about your father in law Tom. How about N194(as in for) MR, it's open. Bryan Green Elgin SC ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration Well, my father-in-law died today after a 2 year fight with cancer. He has been a true inspiration and he will be dearly missed. Him and his wife built one of the wing ribs for my project and I asked them to sign it. A few months back I asked him to think about something significant in his life relating to numbers and letters. I wanted him to be remembered by the tail numbers on my Piet (if I ever finish it). He wasn't able to come up with much but he suggested I use the date of his death along with his initials. So - how does 19MR sound? Unfortunately N19MR is taken... So - any suggestions how I can work this into the number? I tried 019MR and it said that N-number is invalid - does that mean that it's not taken?? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:41 AM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Airplane as Art - Gene Rambo's Pietenpol Tim, Thank you for the compliments. I'll share them with her, she'll be very glad to hear that! This is just one of the photos she took. I'll be posting more in a few weeks, but I'm just too excited not to leak at least one photo! Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Jan 10, 2010, at 2:42 AM, Tim Willis wrote: > > > > Your sis has achieved some nice sepia tones in the pic, perfect > for an antique airplane, even if the plane itself is brand new. > Very arty, all right, with shadows and fading focal lengths, > highlighting the depth and complexity of the structure. > All very different from our usual shots trying to show "this is > how to do it." Nice touch from an art perspective. > Tim in central TX > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: "wayne@taildraggersinc.com" >> Sent: Jan 9, 2010 7:49 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Airplane as Art - Gene Rambo's Pietenpol >> >> Howdy Pieters, >> >> I visited with Gene Rambo last weekend to see his Piet under >> construction. I took my sister along to take some photos. I'm >> working >> on a short article about Gene's Piet for www.taildraggersinc.com, but >> it's not ready yet. In the meantime, I wanted to share the following >> photo as a "teaser". >> >> If it doesn't come through as an attachment, just go to >> www.taildraggersinc.com - it's right there on the home page. >> >> I've started a little forum on the site, too. Please register and >> post >> your comments about the photo (or anything else that strikes your >> fancy, >> just keep it aviation related, please). Once the article and the >> rest >> of the photos are ready, I'll let ya'll know. >> >> Oh, and be warned - I'm always on the lookout for new planes and >> projects to photograph and write about! You or someone you know >> might >> be next! :) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Wayne Bressler >> Taildraggers, Inc. >> www.taildraggersinc.com > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:04 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: My cousin's LSA I need some advice. My cousin bought an avid sport ELSA. Nice little plane. He intends on learning to fly in it. The guy who he has selected to teach him is requireing that he have the plane annualled. (it was annualed about a month ago by the buildier.) and that he have full coverage on insureance. My cousin has not found anyone ready to insure him. He has 10 hours 20 years ago. My cousin has been told that he has to get an FCC liscence. is this a for the radio or him? I told him to ask the instructor why he needed a new annual. The plane is legal. Why and what kind of insurance is the instructor requiring? I told him to approach the EAA about insurance. Also I don't think he requires a FCC ticket. Maybe they are talking about the radio itself, but he has sent it back to the MFGR for an update and they should provide that. Steve D. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:18 PM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: My cousin's LSA Hello, If the aircraft is over 100 hours since last inspection he will need a 100 hour inspection, if it is out of annual he will need that too. He should look at his Operation limitations and make sure that the specs read the aircraft can be used for instruction. Also if he has "unlimited" on his airworthiness certificate. If not he needs to go to his local FSDO and get a new one issued (SEE EAA.ORG on Sport Pilot Issues) if he doesn't get it changed by Jan. 31, 2010 (this month) he will have a lawn ornament that can't be legally flown. He does not need to get an FCC license if he gets a Sport Pilot student pilot license or a standard category student pilot license from his local FSDO. The insurance is always an issue depending on where you live, type of aircraft, and where your practice area is as well as if, on/off airport landings are allowed. Sounds to me like the CFI is requiring these things to make sure he and the aircraft are certain to continue. RS Rob Stapleton, Advanced Ground Instructor Anchorage, AK (907) 230-9425 KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My cousin's LSA I need some advice. My cousin bought an avid sport ELSA. Nice little plane. He intends on learning to fly in it. The guy who he has selected to teach him is requireing that he have the plane annualled. (it was annualed about a month ago by the buildier.) and that he have full coverage on insureance. My cousin has not found anyone ready to insure him. He has 10 hours 20 years ago. My cousin has been told that he has to get an FCC liscence. is this a for the radio or him? I told him to ask the instructor why he needed a new annual. The plane is legal. Why and what kind of insurance is the instructor requiring? I told him to approach the EAA about insurance. Also I don't think he requires a FCC ticket. Maybe they are talking about the radio itself, but he has sent it back to the MFGR for an update and they should provide that. Steve D. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:29 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My cousin's LSA He might want to talk to a different CFI. If he owns the plane the annual is not needed. The 100 hour rule applies if the plane is used commercially (a rental). I also do not believe that a FCC license is required any more. I think that they accept the plane's tail number as the license. In motion insurance is probably a good idea but last I knew it was not required by federal law and is not required by state law here in NY. It may be a state requirement. Shop around on the insurance - there is a huge difference in rates. Dave Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote: > > I need some advice. My cousin bought an avid sport ELSA. Nice little plane. He intends on learning to fly in it. > > The guy who he has selected to teach him is requireing that he have the plane annualled. (it was annualed about a month ago by the buildier.) and that he have full coverage on insureance. My cousin has not found anyone ready to insure him. He has 10 hours 20 years ago. My cousin has been told that he has to get an FCC liscence. is this a for the radio or him? > > I told him to ask the instructor why he needed a new annual. The plane is legal. Why and what kind of insurance is the instructor requiring? I told him to approach the EAA about insurance. Also I don't think he requires a FCC ticket. Maybe they are talking about the radio itself, but he has sent it back to the MFGR for an update and they should provide that. > > Steve D. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool From: "K5YAC" Last week I borrowed a Nicopress tool from a fellow builder in order to fabricate my drag/anti-drag cables. With minimal practice, making these splices was a relatively easy task. I have returned the tool because someone else was waiting to borrow them, but I have been considering purchasing a pair of my own. As we all know, these tools can be quite expensive, but I've read several recommendations on the Lowes and Home Depot models. I was skeptical at first because these items are not the same "Made in the USA" quality found in an authentic Nicopress tool, but for $28, I figured I'd give em a try. I found a thread from this list that was posted back in 2003 by DJ Vegh and followed up by Chris Bopka, Cy Galley and others (see it here http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.2003-07-13.txt). In that thread, they discussed the GO measurements found in a Nicopress gauge. They are listed as... Size - Range (Chris Bopka posted as found in EAA Aircraft Volume One File Number 6 on Aircraft Homebuilding Tips, page 34) 1/16" sleeve - .190-.195" go dimension 3/32" sleeve - .255-.265" go dimension 1/8" sleeve - .343-.353" go dimension 5/32" sleeve - .380-.390" go dimension Using the Home Depot tool straight off the shelf, my first crimp on a 1/8" cable/sleeve combo was .318" (way too tight). After a minor adjustment, my second crimp was .355" (slightly too big). Another adjustment and I was able to squeeze a .345" crimp. I grabbed another sleeve and proceeded to squeeze 3 more crimps right around .345" (+/- .0005") as measured with my calipers (see photo below). My question is... if I can consistently crimp sleeves to these dimensions with the $28 tool, can anyone give a good argument as to why I shouldn't use them? Seriously, am I missing something? If so, I'd like to know before I make any flying cables. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280942#280942 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1100265_676.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1100267_151.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/firstcable_802.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool From: "Jerry Dotson" Mark what is used don't really matter. The end result is what counts. I would fly that crimp. Good looking job. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280946#280946 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:21 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans Ken, Yes, I can burn a copy of the disc for you. I've been asking for $5 to cover the cost of mailing. I'll try to get the disc copied and mailed this week. Darrel vman1922 wrote: > > If the Pfeifer Sport plans CD is still available I would like a copy. > > Thanks, > Ken Kamp > 13 Laurel Hill Dr. > Quarryville, PA 17566 > > email: kkamp72@comcast.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280281#280281 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool From: "Bill Church" Mark, The important thing is that you are checking the crimps, and getting consistent results. As long as you keep doing that, the $28 tool should be just fine. Because it is made to be sold for a lower price, the quality is expectedly lower than the official tool, BUT, for the number of crimps you will need to do on a Piet, it should do just fine. I would think if you were planning to do crimping on a regular, ongoing basis, the "real deal" would be a good investment, but for one project, the budget tool is the way to go. Just keep checking each crimp as you go. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280960#280960 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:42 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My cousin's LSA I don't think an FCC license is required anymore for an aircraft transcieve r, unless you fly it out of the Continental USA, ie Canada, or Mexico etc. - Ceck the FAR's to be sure.- That "R" is no longer part of the "A.R.R. O.W." acronym for required documents on a preflight.- Most flight schools probably just have older copies of the radio license in the document holde rs. - Shad ps I am not 100% on this, but about 95% sure, read the regs on the faa site , serch radio station license.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:34 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration Sorry for your loss.- As far as your tail number question, tail numbers c an not start with a 0.- That is why it says invalid.- I have the same p roblem trying to get a 2 digit tail number with my initials at the end.- You could try to contact the person with the tail number you desire, and po ssibly it is not registered to an airworthy aircraft any more.- Hope this helps. - Our prayers and thoughts are with you and your family, Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool From: "K5YAC" Sounds good. I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some other factor or characteristic of these crimps that I was overlooking. I will continue to monitor the measurements. As for this tool... it is just a little rough around the edges... not as nice as the original overall, the paint is kind of crappy and the rounds aren't quite as smooth as the real McCoy. But, I think with a bit of fine scotch brite to smooth out the rounds, a bit of oil on the hinges and several break in crimps to seat all of the adjustments, it should function much like the genuine article. The fella that loaned me his Nicopress tool also told me to check each crimp, which I did. I'll just keep on like I've been doing and see how it holds up. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280966#280966 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:17 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool Mark, just as a Grega is not a Pietenpol, you will have to call your work "Home Depot" fittings, but a crimp (to spec.) by any other name should still work as sweet. I am using the same tool. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: K5YAC >Sent: Jan 10, 2010 7:47 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool > > >Sounds good. I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some other factor or characteristic of these crimps that I was overlooking. I will continue to monitor the measurements. > >As for this tool... it is just a little rough around the edges... not as nice as the original overall, the paint is kind of crappy and the rounds aren't quite as smooth as the real McCoy. But, I think with a bit of fine scotch brite to smooth out the rounds, a bit of oil on the hinges and several break in crimps to seat all of the adjustments, it should function much like the genuine article. The fella that loaned me his Nicopress tool also told me to check each crimp, which I did. I'll just keep on like I've been doing and see how it holds up. > >-------- >Mark - working on wings > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280966#280966 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:21 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: My cousin's LSA Thanks for the info guys. OK more on My cousin's LSA (Avid Flyer) The instructor has an IA lined up to inspect it for $100, just to insure that it is airworthy. This instructor says, "our mechanic needs to look it over, the seller may have just filled out the log." Sounds reasonable to me. The instructor simply suggests insurance. He is not insisting. My wants to insure it. He is currently towing it around and is worried about damage "in tow." I am having him check with AOPA and EAA. Any suggestions are appreciated. The radio itself is what needs the FCC ticket. and that comes from the manufacturer. I am going to push him about the airworthyness certificate. He is 400 miles north of here so I am doing it by email. 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