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1. 05:18 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (ivan.todorovic)
2. 05:28 AM - Re: My cousin's LSA (Jerry Dotson)
3. 08:01 AM - HTS 2000 (K5YAC)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: HTS 2000 (David Paule)
5. 08:44 AM - Re: HTS 2000 (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 09:05 AM - Re: Inspiration (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
7. 09:46 AM - Re: HTS 2000 (K5YAC)
8. 09:48 AM - One more try - configuation listing-matrix (Jack)
9. 09:51 AM - Re: Inspiration (dgaldrich)
10. 10:19 AM - Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
11. 11:11 AM - One more try - configuation listing-matrix (santiago morete)
12. 11:47 AM - Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol (Jeff Boatright)
13. 12:43 PM - Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol (Wayne Bressler)
14. 01:02 PM - Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol (Scott Knowlton)
15. 01:19 PM - Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol (Jeff Boatright)
16. 01:22 PM - Re: Inspiration (Ben Charvet)
17. 01:40 PM - Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol (Wayne Bressler)
18. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: HTS 2000 (David Paule)
19. 02:55 PM - Grega GN-1 plans (Michael Silvius)
20. 03:11 PM - e-Bay (TOM STINEMETZE)
21. 03:54 PM - Re: HTS 2000 (Bill Church)
22. 04:54 PM - Re: One more try - configuation listing-matrix (Jack)
23. 05:04 PM - Re: Grega GN-1 plans (Jack)
24. 07:21 PM - Re: HTS 2000 (K5YAC)
25. 11:41 PM - Re: Grega GN-1 plans (flea)
26. 11:43 PM - Pietenpol (Michael Groah)
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
Sport Aviation article attached.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281003#281003
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/sport_aviation_article_3_1976_597.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: My cousin's LSA |
The link below makes it clear as mud. I have had a restricted radio operators license
since 1966. I have never been asked to produce it. I wouldn't worry a lot
about it one way or the other. It is like a pilot certificate...good for life
unless revoked. I think it is free as well. Just fill out an application form.
http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/index.htm?job=rl
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Has anyone tried this stuff (HTS 2000)? It is a special type of brazing rod that
can be used on aluminum and other materials. They claim that it is stronger
than traditional welding techniques. I am making my control horns from .250"
60601 aluminum and I will need to TIG the ears on. I'm considering giving this
material a try with a simple rose bud tip on my oxyacetylene rig. If it works
as well as they say, I may just braze up my fuel tank with this stuff. It
is kind of expensive, but so is a TIG.
Check out this video... http://www.aluminumrepair.com/video_new.asp
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Mark - working on wings
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The completed joint will be dead soft, it will be annealed. While that might
be suitable for fuel tanks, I sure wouldn't use it for my flight controls!
No way. Not at all.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: HTS 2000
>
> Has anyone tried this stuff (HTS 2000)? It is a special type of brazing
> rod that can be used on aluminum and other materials. They claim that it
> is stronger than traditional welding techniques. I am making my control
> horns from .250" 60601 aluminum and I will need to TIG the ears on. I'm
> considering giving this material a try with a simple rose bud tip on my
> oxyacetylene rig. If it works as well as they say, I may just braze up my
> fuel tank with this stuff. It is kind of expensive, but so is a TIG.
>
> Check out this video... http://www.aluminumrepair.com/video_new.asp
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281033#281033
>
>
>
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Mark,
I have looked at it and wondered if it really worked as well as the demo
video illustrates. My final analysis was that it is quite expensive and not
too certain about the claims and reliability. I for one would be interested
in learning the results of your trial. The demo makes it look too good, too
easy to do, that in my book means too good to be true. Too much skepticism
here but always willing to listen to the results of a reliable source,
let'er go and let us know.
Just for discussion sake I just bought an AC HF century spark box for my
TIG rig so I could weld aluminum, figured once I wasted all the high cost
braze rods and sheet stock on something that wasn't going to work for me, I
could expand my TIG set up and have the equipment asset for as long as I
wanted and TIG weld all the aluminum stock I wanted.
I guess we all have a chance to learn something from this endevor.
Buildapalooza 09 and 2010
John
In a message dated 1/11/2010 11:02:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hangar10@cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Has anyone tried this stuff (HTS 2000)? It is a special type of brazing
rod that can be used on aluminum and other materials. They claim that it is
stronger than traditional welding techniques. I am making my control
horns from .250" 60601 aluminum and I will need to TIG the ears on. I'm
considering giving this material a try with a simple rose bud tip on my
oxyacetylene rig. If it works as well as they say, I may just braze up my fuel
tank with this stuff. It is kind of expensive, but so is a TIG.
Check out this video... http://www.aluminumrepair.com/video_new.asp
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281033#281033
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Thanks all for the comments.
I will probably look into the 109MR or 194MR number. Also wondering how th
e X would be added to the front - I typed that in the FAA registry search a
nd it comes back invalid too.
Tom B.
From: tmbrant@msn.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration
Well=2C my father-in-law died today after a 2 year fight with cancer. He h
as been a true inspiration and he will be dearly missed. Him and his wife
built one of the wing ribs for my project and I asked them to sign it. A f
ew months back I asked him to think about something significant in his life
relating to numbers and letters. I wanted him to be remembered by the tai
l numbers on my Piet (if I ever finish it). He wasn't able to come up with
much but he suggested I use the date of his death along with his initials.
So - how does 19MR sound? Unfortunately N19MR is taken... So - any sug
gestions how I can work this into the number? I tried 019MR and it said th
at N-number is invalid - does that mean that it's not taken??
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Well, I'm not entirely sold, just curious. I did however talk to one of our machinists
about this stuff. He agreed that this stuff is interesting, but that
I would probably be changing the temper of the material in order to apply this
stuff, then he opened his tool box and handed me a stick to try. I'll probably
use some of my drop material to test this stuff.
I understand what you are saying David... the bond may be strong, but the properties
of the surrounding material may be changed. I guess that my next question
would be... how much? Annealing is to make softer, not brittle, right? I'm
just wondering if it would be so weak that the aluminum would fracture or bend
or break before the hardware would be ripped out of the wood parts it is attached
to. Actually, I suppose that is the big question. Maybe I can set up some
tests to determine the strength of my material after applying this stuff.
--------
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| Subject: | One more try - configuation listing-matrix |
All,
I wanted to plea again if anyone can help me locate this listing. From what
I remember it was a listing of about 10 Pietenpols. It detailed fuselage
length, tank location, and engine, weight and some weight and balance info.
I've searched the archives, My Kitplane and Westcoast Piet. If anyone can
locate please let me know.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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According to AC 45-2D, para 7A2c, you can insert the X, as in NX1234A, without
a problem. You would get N1234A from the FAA and then put the X in when you did
the paint.
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| Subject: | Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol |
Though to the best of my knowledge, Sport Aviation has not yet acknowledged
our mass fly-in
and gathering at AirVenture last summer some five months after the event, t
hey do include
this Pietenpol article on pages 72 and 73.
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201001/#pg1
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| Subject: | One more try - configuation listing-matrix |
Hi Jack, is this what you want?
Saludos
-
Santiago
-
-=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo
! Cocina.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/
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| Subject: | Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol |
That's OK, Mike. We don't need the approval of 'outsiders'. We know
we're cool. 8-)
>Though to the best of my knowledge, Sport Aviation has not yet
>acknowledged our mass fly-in
>and gathering at AirVenture last summer some five months after the event...
--
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol |
I guess we'll see if the EAA is still interested in grass roots
building and flying depending on how they fill their "new" mag.
Personally, I'm tired of glass cockpits and emotional stories. Give
me the nuts and bolts, and leave the fluff pieces for Redbook.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Jan 11, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
> That's OK, Mike. We don't need the approval of 'outsiders'. We know
> we're cool. 8-)
>
>> Though to the best of my knowledge, Sport Aviation has not yet
>> acknowledged our mass fly-in
>
>> and gathering at AirVenture last summer some five months after the
>> event...
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol |
Wayne. I wholeheartedly agree. I just tidied up some of my new format Sport Pilot
magazines and put them away with some of my old EAA Experimenter magazines.
What a difference between the two formats. Sport Pilot contains mostly powered
parachutes and ready to fly eastern European LSAs where as the old experimenter
is chock full of Tony Bingelis "how to" articles about scarfing and making
homemade wood steamers.
Scott Knowlton
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered
Pietenpol
I guess we'll see if the EAA is still interested in grass roots building and flying
depending on how they fill their "new" mag.
Personally, I'm tired of glass cockpits and emotional stories. Give me the nuts
and bolts, and leave the fluff pieces for Redbook.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com <http://taildraggersinc.com>
On Jan 11, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu <mailto:jboatri@emory.edu> > wrote:
That's OK, Mike. We don't need the approval of 'outsiders'. We know we're cool.
8-)
Though to the best of my knowledge, Sport Aviation has not yet acknowledged our
mass fly-in and gathering at AirVenture last summer some five months after the
event...
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
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| Subject: | Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol |
Well, to their credit, there ARE several how-to articles in this
issue of Sport Aviation. Hope that the trend continues.
><flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>
>Wayne. I wholeheartedly agree. I just tidied up some of my new
>format Sport Pilot magazines and put them away with some of my old
>EAA Experimenter magazines. What a difference between the two
>formats. Sport Pilot contains mostly powered parachutes and ready
>to fly eastern European LSAs where as the old experimenter is chock
>full of Tony Bingelis "how to" articles about scarfing and making
>homemade wood steamers.
>
>Scott Knowlton
>
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The X doesn't appear on your registration, but you can paint it on the
plane if it qualifies as an antique replica, which the Piet does.
Ben
TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:
>
> Thanks all for the comments.
>
> I will probably look into the 109MR or 194MR number. Also wondering
> how the X would be added to the front - I typed that in the FAA
> registry search and it comes back invalid too.
>
> Tom B.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: tmbrant@msn.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 21:05:07 -0600
>
> Well, my father-in-law died today after a 2 year fight with cancer.
> He has been a true inspiration and he will be dearly missed. Him and
> his wife built one of the wing ribs for my project and I asked them to
> sign it. A few months back I asked him to think about something
> significant in his life relating to numbers and letters. I wanted him
> to be remembered by the tail numbers on my Piet (if I ever finish
> it). He wasn't able to come up with much but he suggested I use the
> date of his death along with his initials. So - how does 19MR sound?
> Unfortunately N19MR is taken... So - any suggestions how I can work
> this into the number? I tried 019MR and it said that N-number is
> invalid - does that mean that it's not taken??
> *<="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronicshref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con================
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Article in Sport Aviation about 0-235 powered Pietenpol |
I've been watching, and enjoying, the online how-to videos lately.
It's not all hate for the EAA. There's still some love left. :)
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Jan 11, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
>
> Well, to their credit, there ARE several how-to articles in this
> issue of Sport Aviation. Hope that the trend continues.
>
>> >
>>
>> Wayne. I wholeheartedly agree. I just tidied up some of my new
>> format Sport Pilot magazines and put them away with some of my old
>> EAA Experimenter magazines. What a difference between the two
>> formats. Sport Pilot contains mostly powered parachutes and ready
>> to fly eastern European LSAs where as the old experimenter is chock
>> full of Tony Bingelis "how to" articles about scarfing and making
>> homemade wood steamers.
>> Scott Knowlton
>>
>
>
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How much is a difficult thing to guess, since the entire process is
uncontrolled. The temperature profile isn't known, and the time at those
temperatures is not known or even planned. The materials in the braze aren't
known, any more than the ways that stuff affects the base metal. MIL-HDBK-5,
the strength bible for metals, has a section on brazing that doesn't even
cover aluminum.
I'd say the actual strength doesn't matter. The Pietenpol builder generally
doesn't have a process to follow, a brazing oven where the process, if there
were one, can be controlled, and samples that he can evaluate
quantitatively. Whatever strength a particular joint achieves is unlikely to
be replicated at the next joint.
This is absolutely not suitable for flight controls!
It might be worth considering for fuel tanks, which can be pressure-tested
fairly easily - and ought to be, too.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HTS 2000
>
> Well, I'm not entirely sold, just curious. I did however talk to one of
> our machinists about this stuff. He agreed that this stuff is
> interesting, but that I would probably be changing the temper of the
> material in order to apply this stuff, then he opened his tool box and
> handed me a stick to try. I'll probably use some of my drop material to
> test this stuff.
>
> I understand what you are saying David... the bond may be strong, but the
> properties of the surrounding material may be changed. I guess that my
> next question would be... how much? Annealing is to make softer, not
> brittle, right? I'm just wondering if it would be so weak that the
> aluminum would fracture or bend or break before the hardware would be
> ripped out of the wood parts it is attached to. Actually, I suppose that
> is the big question. Maybe I can set up some tests to determine the
> strength of my material after applying this stuff.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281053#281053
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Grega GN-1 plans |
Wasn't someone looking for a set recently?
Not mine just passing it on
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290389088238
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There are also several buys on used aircraft turnbuckles on e-Bay at
present. Just search "aircraft turnbuckles".
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
N328X
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Mark,
I don't know anything about HTS 2000, but if you're thinking about welding aluminum,
and making your control horns of solid aluminum, refer to this post I made
to the list July 24, 2008 (food for thought):
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Mike,
In general, if you plan to substitute materials from those shown in the plans,
you had better know what you are doing.
For instance, with regards to substituting aluminum plate for the control horns,
you should be aware (maybe you are already) that if you weld aluminum, many
alloys are severely weakened at the weld location (for 6061 the reduction is about
40% within one inch of the weld).
Aluminum also does have a fatigue limit, unlike steel. What this basically means
is that steel will not be affected by fatigue (repeated cycles of tension and
compression) unless it is stressed above a certain level, whereas aluminum will
feel the effects of fatigue at any level of stress. Eventually, the aluminum
could develop cracks due to fatigue.
Also, the solid aluminum control horns will definitely end up heavier than the
hollow, formed sheet metal horns shown in the drawings. As an example, the aileron
control horn has a surface area of approximately 19 square inches on one
side. Two thicknesses of 22ga (.03") mild steel (or 4130) will weigh about 0.33
lb. One thickness of 3/8" aluminum will weigh approximately 0.7 lb - or twice
as much. Of course, you could machine the aluminum into a bit of an airfoil
shape, which would save a few ounces. But then you will still need to add bracing
angles and nuts and bolts to mount this solid aluminum horn. Attached is a
photo of such an aluminum aileron horn (by someone else), which was cut from
1/4" aluminum plate. I would estimate that this whole arrangement weighs approximately
2 to 3 times as much as a plans-built control horn.
So, in conclusion, just make sure you do your homework before you start changing
from the plans.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: One more try - configuation listing-matrix |
Yes my friend Santiago, Thanks!!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:09 PM, santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar
> wrote:
> Hi Jack, is this what you want?
> Saludos
>
> Santiago
>
>
> Encontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina.
> http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/
> <Piet W&B.pdf>
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| Subject: | Re: Grega GN-1 plans |
Just sold mime for the original price of $25 to a gent in Russia.
Don't archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 11, 2010, at 4:51 PM, "Michael Silvius" <silvius@gwi.net> wrote:
> >
>
> Wasn't someone looking for a set recently?
>
> Not mine just passing it on
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290389088238
>
>
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Thanks guys, I do appreciate your advice. I had never heard of HTS 2000 or any
of the other aluminum brazing rods until today. I just found it interesting
that it seems to be so strong.
As for the aluminum control horns I really havent done any serious analysis or
destructive testing to confirm that 6061 will stand up to the same stresses that
formed sheet metal will. I do know that 6061-T6 claims to have a tensile strength
of 42,000psi and a yield strength of 35,000psi. Hardly the characteristics
of 4130 steel, but much more than my 1/2 spruce aileron spars would allow.
I really didnt think about the annealing that would take place during the
heating of this material. I know that welding aluminum is acceptable, but not
in structural assemblies. I suppose TIG is the most effective and least harmful
method (to the material), but oxy-acetylene is supposed to be acceptable too,
although it would distribute even more heat over a wider area. Again, I understand
this to mean non-structural assemblies like fuel tanks, cowlings, etc.,
as even TIG welding will soften the welded area to 6061-O (tensile 18,000psi,
yield 8,000psi). Ive also read that the assembly could be heat treated to
restore its strength. Im not certain about this but I guess Ill need to consider
that too if I want the full rated strength of T6.
Ive seen a couple of different aircraft that use aluminum control horns. One example
is on a Pietenpol that was built by a local EAA member. Ill pick his brain
as to how he affixed his tabs and dealt with annealing. Perhaps he did nothing
at all, or maybe he will enlighten me on his approach. I do know this
he has many hours on his airplane (his 5th) and is a well respected builder, even
in the Pietenpol community. Im not saying that as a dig at anyone, I am only
stating it to point out that I chose to duplicate some of his features because
I figured that he knew what he was doing (an assumption), and because they
look pretty cool. As for the weight of these items, I assume that you are comparing
1:1 dimensions for these materials. The example I studied has lightening
holes, which I also plan to implement. I know, I know there are probably
1000 arguments for or against the lightening holes too. Well, hopefully I can
provide some answers after my next discussion with this fellow.
Thanks again for the comments. They sure do help get the ideas flowing, and help
me formulate better questions when discussing these issues with others.
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Mark - working on wings
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I was looking but the pony express just delivered a set of genuine Pietenpol plans
today. Its like Christmas over here :D
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Mark... It's been quite awhile since I've heard anything about your project. Are
you able to work on building any ribs or do any other work? I'm still working
on mine regularly. I may even finish it one of these years. :)
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 6:43:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: And the real work begins...
Well, after futzing around for a few weeks with my 613.5 rib jib jig,
I have finally invested in some rough cut poplar, and turned it into
little sticks yesterday. I went over to my friend Ray's house, and we
spent the day cutting about 15 or so board feet of wood into 109 6
foot long sticks 1/4" x 1/2". We had a lot of fun, and I am looking
forward to getting the T-88 and beginning to glue them all together. I
still need some 1/16" marine ply (any suggestions on a cheaper source
on this?) but I can at least start cutting the poplar into even
smaller sticks now.
It took us 7 hours, and a lot of sweat, but we had a lot of fun doing
it. Ray and I cut parts for 2 cradles in this same area 19 years ago
when my wife and I found out we were going to have twins. He had the
plans, and we cut the parts in the same drive way we cut the poplar in
yesterday. Funny how things repeat and how important good friends
really are.
I posted all of the pictures we took during the process, including the
peg jig I made for the Riblett 613.5 jig I made. I finally decided on
this airfoil based on a lot of thought. I drew out the rib plot in my
CAD program, then offset the lines by 1/8" and used that line to place
a series of 1/4" holes .75" deep. I made a bunch of 1.25" long pegs
out of 1/4" diameter maple dowels and hammered/glued them into place.
I used my 3 axis mill to do the drilling so I have a 'perfect' plot of
the airfoil, and all the alignments of the pieces are perfect! It's
nice to slide the 1/4" pieces into place and have them fit like a
glove!
So, all I need now is to order the T-88 and some plywood for the
gussets and I can start the assembly process. Oh, yeah, before that I
need to cut those little sticks into many smaller sticks! Well, let
the cutting begin!
Here's a link to the picture folio of the day yesterday, with shots of
the jig as well.
http://picasaweb.google.com/RobertsChristmas2007/PietenpolProject?authkey=Gv1sRgCJiF__Tq2bugtgE&feat=directlink
Mark
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