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1. 04:57 AM - Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? (Ryan Mueller)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? (Ryan Mueller)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: Austin Visit (Tim Willis)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? (Roman Bukolt)
5. 10:06 AM - New to site (A&PBuggy)
6. 10:11 AM - skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) (Dan Yocum)
7. 11:26 AM - Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? (Ryan Mueller)
8. 11:50 AM - Re: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) (Dick N)
9. 01:14 PM - Re: New to site (pietn38b@aol.com)
10. 01:43 PM - Re: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) (Michael Silvius)
11. 01:50 PM - Re: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) (Dan Yocum)
12. 02:43 PM - Re: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) (Ken Howe)
13. 04:21 PM - Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? (Jim Ash)
14. 05:53 PM - Re: New to site (Ben Charvet)
15. 05:57 PM - Re: New to site (Jack)
16. 06:56 PM - Re: New to site (A&PBuggy)
17. 08:29 PM - Re: Austin Visit (kevinpurtee)
18. 08:48 PM - Composit (sic) fuel tanks (Lawrence Williams)
19. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: New to site (Ryan Mueller)
20. 09:08 PM - Re: Re: New to site (Gary Boothe)
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? |
Roman,
Just flipped through my Pietenpol plans again, purchased from the family
approx 2-3 years ago....there is the standard wood fuselage in the normal
packet of plans, which comes out to roughly 13' 7" (I didn't redo the math,
but that should be what it adds up to on 2 of the 3 views). Then there is
the steel fuselage on one of the supplemental plans sheets (the one with
side view labeled 1937 Air Camper with 1960 Corvair), and it gives the
overall length of that to be 13' 5". Out of curiosity, what sheet in your
plans shows a steel tube fuselage at 14' 2"?
Ryan
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>wrote:
> My set of plans including the supplemental plans include a steel tube
> fuselage that is 14' 2"
> NX20795
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> I can't speak to whether or not there are steel tube long fuselage Piets
> out there off the top of my head.....but as far as the plans go:
>
> There are no plans for a steel tube long fuselage. Here's a quick list of
> the various fuselages there are plans for:
>
> Flying and Glider manual 13' 5" length: Wood and steel
> 1933 'Improved' approx 13' 7" length: Wood
> Supplemental plans long fuselage approx 14' 5": Wood
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Has anybody built a long fuselage out of tube and fabric instead of wood?
>>
>> For some reason over the last couple years I thought the t&f fuselage was
>> synonymous with the long fuselage. I was just going through the supplemental
>> drawings to add up tubing lengths to put together a Dillsburg order, and now
>> I see the t&f fuselage is actually a couple inches shorter than the standard
>> wood.
>>
>> Jim Ash
>>
>>
>>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? |
Jim,
That's where the F&G Manual comes in handy....it has much clearer dimensions
on the drawing for the steel tube fuselage. I scanned that page this
AM....the only dimension that didn't come through was the tailpost, which
should be 10" from station 7 to 8. You can grab it here (link good for 30
days):
Steel Tube F&G Drawing <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/pietsteel.jpg>:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/pietsteel.jpg
>From 2 to 12 and 2 to 13 it shows "5/8 - .035".
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> What does it say about the tube diameters from station 2 to 13 and 2 to 12?
>
> The drawing I'm looking at says "1937 AIR CAMPER WITH 1960 CORVAIR ENGINE"
> at the top.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wildhorsesracing
> Sent: Jan 14, 2010 8:32 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long fuselage in tube and fabric?
>
>
> I just ordered a set of plans and the front page is a complete steel
> diagram - the top longeron is 5/8 x .035
>
> -jim pantas
>
>
> www.wildhorsesracing.com
>
>
> From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 7:58:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long fuselage in tube and fabric?
>
> Jim,
>
> I can't speak to whether or not there are steel tube long fuselage Piets
> out there off the top of my head.....but as far as the plans go:
>
> There are no plans for a steel tube long fuselage. Here's a quick list of
> the various fuselages there are plans for:
>
> Flying and Glider manual 13' 5" length: Wood and steel
> 1933 'Improved' approx 13' 7" length: Wood
> Supplemental plans long fuselage approx 14' 5": Wood
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Has anybody built a long fuselage out of tube and fabric instead of wood?
>
> For some reason over the last couple years I thought the t&f fuselage was
> synonymous with the long fuselage. I was just going through the supplemental
> drawings to add up tubing lengths to put together a Dillsburg order, and now
> I see the t&f fuselage is actually a couple inches shorter than the standard
> wood.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Austin Visit |
Kevin,
I'd like to meet you, see your plane, and have you see my project. But I am not
getting out much these days.
My wife has a lot of health problems right now, and I am pretty much an "unregistered
nurse" to her now. I don't leave the house except for local errands or
doctor visits.
I won't be able to meet with you at this time. If things get better by March,
as I hope, and you can fly up another time, I might be able to provide local transportation,
host a meeting here outside Georgetown, related to your flying
into either Kittie Hill or Georgetown airports. That is what I would like to
do, and wish I could commit to more, and sooner.
More than just Piets, I would like to meet you, too. My father was a career Army
officer. I was an Army officer in the 1960s and would like to hear what the
Army is like now, and esp. Army aviation, if you feel free to discuss any of
that. I will let you know when I can better get away and receive visitors.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>Sent: Jan 14, 2010 11:31 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Austin Visit
>
>
>Hi - Hope to visit Austin this weekend on Sunday, Jan 17. I plan to fly to Lockhart
(1/2 hour south of Austin, an hour north of San Antonio). The goal is
to meet The Girl at about 1130 at the airport and get lunch. Anyone who'd like
to join us is welcome. I'll post on Sunday morning before leaving to verify
that I'm going to try it.
>
>Best regards,
>Kevin Purtee
>512-422-6371
>NX899KP
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281582#281582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? |
You're right. I have the same plan.
What I referred to was another steel tube layout which my plane
NX20795 was apparently built from and must have been drawn up by the
builder, Ray Hill, of Baxter, IA.
Sorry about the missleading information.
On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Roman,
>
> Just flipped through my Pietenpol plans again, purchased from the
> family approx 2-3 years ago....there is the standard wood fuselage
> in the normal packet of plans, which comes out to roughly 13' 7" (I
> didn't redo the math, but that should be what it adds up to on 2 of
> the 3 views). Then there is the steel fuselage on one of the
> supplemental plans sheets (the one with side view labeled 1937 Air
> Camper with 1960 Corvair), and it gives the overall length of that
> to be 13' 5". Out of curiosity, what sheet in your plans shows a
> steel tube fuselage at 14' 2"?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Roman Bukolt
> <conceptmodels@tds.net> wrote:
> My set of plans including the supplemental plans include a steel
> tube fuselage that is 14' 2"
> NX20795
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> I can't speak to whether or not there are steel tube long fuselage
>> Piets out there off the top of my head.....but as far as the plans
>> go:
>>
>> There are no plans for a steel tube long fuselage. Here's a quick
>> list of the various fuselages there are plans for:
>>
>> Flying and Glider manual 13' 5" length: Wood and steel
>> 1933 'Improved' approx 13' 7" length: Wood
>> Supplemental plans long fuselage approx 14' 5": Wood
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Has anybody built a long fuselage out of tube and fabric instead of
>> wood?
>>
>> For some reason over the last couple years I thought the t&f
>> fuselage was synonymous with the long fuselage. I was just going
>> through the supplemental drawings to add up tubing lengths to put
>> together a Dillsburg order, and now I see the t&f fuselage is
>> actually a couple inches shorter than the standard wood.
>>
>> Jim Ash
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife wants
a four place so the kids can ride too but, there is no way to afford such a
thing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often, the kids are small
yet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time. I have Grega
plans that were given to me back in 02, not sure if I want to use them or go
with original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Buggy.
--------
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| Subject: | skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) |
OK, I've been jonesin' for a flying fix (damn the thermometer, full
speed ahead!) and my mind keeps coming back to ways to put skis on N8031
without taking the wheels off. I've been doing a lot mental engineering
and have come up with a solution of wood skis (like Frank P's) with
metal cradles for the wheels.
Lo-and-behold, as I watched the little video that the Minneapolis TV
news station put out, I came across exactly what I want to build. Word
to the wise - apparently, you can land on 9,999 lakes in Minnesota, but
if it's Lake Calhoun inside the Minneapolis city limits, you'll get a
nice visit from the park police, the FAA, and a $1000 fine.
Pictures of the skis are attached.
Dick N. - do happen to know either of these guys? I'd like to get some
better pictures of these skis and how they get them on the plane.
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? |
Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification!
Ryan
do not archive
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>wrote:
> You're right. I have the same plan.
> What I referred to was another steel tube layout which my plane NX20795 was
> apparently built from and must have been drawn up by the builder, Ray Hill,
> of Baxter, IA.
> Sorry about the missleading information.
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
> Roman,
>
> Just flipped through my Pietenpol plans again, purchased from the family
> approx 2-3 years ago....there is the standard wood fuselage in the normal
> packet of plans, which comes out to roughly 13' 7" (I didn't redo the math,
> but that should be what it adds up to on 2 of the 3 views). Then there is
> the steel fuselage on one of the supplemental plans sheets (the one with
> side view labeled 1937 Air Camper with 1960 Corvair), and it gives the
> overall length of that to be 13' 5". Out of curiosity, what sheet in your
> plans shows a steel tube fuselage at 14' 2"?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>wrote:
>
>> My set of plans including the supplemental plans include a steel tube
>> fuselage that is 14' 2"
>> NX20795
>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> I can't speak to whether or not there are steel tube long fuselage Piets
>> out there off the top of my head.....but as far as the plans go:
>>
>> There are no plans for a steel tube long fuselage. Here's a quick list of
>> the various fuselages there are plans for:
>>
>> Flying and Glider manual 13' 5" length: Wood and steel
>> 1933 'Improved' approx 13' 7" length: Wood
>> Supplemental plans long fuselage approx 14' 5": Wood
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anybody built a long fuselage out of tube and fabric instead of wood?
>>>
>>> For some reason over the last couple years I thought the t&f fuselage was
>>> synonymous with the long fuselage. I was just going through the supplemental
>>> drawings to add up tubing lengths to put together a Dillsburg order, and now
>>> I see the t&f fuselage is actually a couple inches shorter than the standard
>>> wood.
>>>
>>> Jim Ash
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> *
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
>>
>>
> *
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) |
No I don't know them. I saw the same report and drove down there the next
day to see if they needed anything. They were already gone. They got off a
bit lucky, the same thing happened a few years ago and they made the guy
take the wings off and truck it out. The difference is that the lakes in
the City of Minneapolis are part of the Park system and closed to any use of
motors. I checked the registeration and found the plane was from LeSuerre,
Mn. which is about 80 mi. away. I didn't hear anything about the amount of
the fine but I did hear the FAA said there were no FAA violations. There
are many lakes in the metro area that are just fine for landing, just not in
the City limits of Mpls and St. Paul.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...)
> OK, I've been jonesin' for a flying fix (damn the thermometer, full
> speed ahead!) and my mind keeps coming back to ways to put skis on N8031
> without taking the wheels off. I've been doing a lot mental engineering
> and have come up with a solution of wood skis (like Frank P's) with
> metal cradles for the wheels.
>
> Lo-and-behold, as I watched the little video that the Minneapolis TV
> news station put out, I came across exactly what I want to build. Word
> to the wise - apparently, you can land on 9,999 lakes in Minnesota, but
> if it's Lake Calhoun inside the Minneapolis city limits, you'll get a
> nice visit from the park police, the FAA, and a $1000 fine.
>
> Pictures of the skis are attached.
>
> Dick N. - do happen to know either of these guys? I'd like to get some
> better pictures of these skis and how they get them on the plane.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
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Buggy
I fly a Pietenpol, BUT, a very good airplane can be built using either
sets of plans. The only negative is that often times the Grega comes out a
little heavier than a Piet would. Some builders have used the best ideas
from both sets of plans.. For what it is worth, if you have a good set of
plans I would use them. Welcome to the group. I have had more fun flying my
Piet than any other airplane I have flown.
Jim Ballew
N38B
Oklahoma
In a message dated 1/15/2010 12:06:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bcjohnston@charter.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "A&PBuggy" <bcjohnston@charter.net>
Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife
wants a four place so the kids can ride too but, there is no way to afford
such a thing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often, the
kids are small yet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a
time. I have Grega plans that were given to me back in 02, not sure if I want
to use them or go with original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will
be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Buggy.
--------
never enough hours in the day.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281657#281657
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| Subject: | Re: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) |
here is the story:
http://wcco.com/crime/lake.calhoun.airplanes.2.1418745.html
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> No I don't know them. I saw the same report and drove down there the next
> day to see if they needed anything. They were already gone. They got off
a
> bit lucky, the same thing happened a few years ago and they made the guy
> take the wings off and truck it out. The difference is that the lakes in
> the City of Minneapolis are part of the Park system and closed to any use
of
> motors. I checked the registeration and found the plane was from
LeSuerre,
> Mn. which is about 80 mi. away. I didn't hear anything about the amount
of
> the fine but I did hear the FAA said there were no FAA violations. There
> are many lakes in the metro area that are just fine for landing, just not
in
> the City limits of Mpls and St. Paul.
> Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) |
Dick,
Ah, that's too bad. I guess I'll call him and politely introduce
myself. Hope he doesn't think I'm some crack-pot...
Thanks,
Dan
do not archive
On 01/15/2010 01:48 PM, Dick N wrote:
>
> No I don't know them. I saw the same report and drove down there the
> next day to see if they needed anything. They were already gone. They
> got off a bit lucky, the same thing happened a few years ago and they
> made the guy take the wings off and truck it out. The difference is that
> the lakes in the City of Minneapolis are part of the Park system and
> closed to any use of motors. I checked the registeration and found the
> plane was from LeSuerre, Mn. which is about 80 mi. away. I didn't hear
> anything about the amount of the fine but I did hear the FAA said there
> were no FAA violations. There are many lakes in the metro area that are
> just fine for landing, just not in the City limits of Mpls and St. Paul.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:05 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...)
>
>
>> OK, I've been jonesin' for a flying fix (damn the thermometer, full
>> speed ahead!) and my mind keeps coming back to ways to put skis on N8031
>> without taking the wheels off. I've been doing a lot mental engineering
>> and have come up with a solution of wood skis (like Frank P's) with
>> metal cradles for the wheels.
>>
>> Lo-and-behold, as I watched the little video that the Minneapolis TV
>> news station put out, I came across exactly what I want to build. Word
>> to the wise - apparently, you can land on 9,999 lakes in Minnesota, but
>> if it's Lake Calhoun inside the Minneapolis city limits, you'll get a
>> nice visit from the park police, the FAA, and a $1000 fine.
>>
>> Pictures of the skis are attached.
>>
>> Dick N. - do happen to know either of these guys? I'd like to get some
>> better pictures of these skis and how they get them on the plane.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) |
There was an article in SportAviation not too long ago about aircraft skis.
(Jan 2009?) I think that the clamp-on type was mentioned, with pictures.
You might try to look it up and see if there are any references to more
info.
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:49:34 -0600, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> Dick,
>
> Ah, that's too bad. I guess I'll call him and politely introduce
> myself. Hope he doesn't think I'm some crack-pot...
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> do not archive
>
> On 01/15/2010 01:48 PM, Dick N wrote:
>>
>> No I don't know them. I saw the same report and drove down there the
>> next day to see if they needed anything. They were already gone. They
>> got off a bit lucky, the same thing happened a few years ago and they
>> made the guy take the wings off and truck it out. The difference is that
>> the lakes in the City of Minneapolis are part of the Park system and
>> closed to any use of motors. I checked the registeration and found the
>> plane was from LeSuerre, Mn. which is about 80 mi. away. I didn't hear
>> anything about the amount of the fine but I did hear the FAA said there
>> were no FAA violations. There are many lakes in the metro area that are
>> just fine for landing, just not in the City limits of Mpls and St. Paul.
>> Dick N.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:05 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...)
>>
>>
>>> OK, I've been jonesin' for a flying fix (damn the thermometer, full
>>> speed ahead!) and my mind keeps coming back to ways to put skis on
N8031
>>> without taking the wheels off. I've been doing a lot mental engineering
>>> and have come up with a solution of wood skis (like Frank P's) with
>>> metal cradles for the wheels.
>>>
>>> Lo-and-behold, as I watched the little video that the Minneapolis TV
>>> news station put out, I came across exactly what I want to build. Word
>>> to the wise - apparently, you can land on 9,999 lakes in Minnesota, but
>>> if it's Lake Calhoun inside the Minneapolis city limits, you'll get a
>>> nice visit from the park police, the FAA, and a $1000 fine.
>>>
>>> Pictures of the skis are attached.
>>>
>>> Dick N. - do happen to know either of these guys? I'd like to get some
>>> better pictures of these skis and how they get them on the plane.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan Yocum
>>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? |
I was goona ask; thanks for the clarification.
Have you actually got long fuse drawings? I'd like to see them if you do.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Jan 15, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long fuselage in tube and fabric?
Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification!
Ryan
do not archive
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> wrote:
You're right. I have the same plan.
What I referred to was another steel tube layout which my plane NX20795 was apparently
built from and must have been drawn up by the builder, Ray Hill, of Baxter,
IA.
Sorry about the missleading information.
On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
Roman,
Just flipped through my Pietenpol plans again, purchased from the family approx
2-3 years ago....there is the standard wood fuselage in the normal packet of
plans, which comes out to roughly 13' 7" (I didn't redo the math, but that should
be what it adds up to on 2 of the 3 views). Then there is the steel fuselage
on one of the supplemental plans sheets (the one with side view labeled 1937
Air Camper with 1960 Corvair), and it gives the overall length of that to be
13' 5". Out of curiosity, what sheet in your plans shows a steel tube fuselage
at 14' 2"?
Ryan
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> wrote:
My set of plans including the supplemental plans include a steel tube fuselage
that is 14' 2"
NX20795
On Jan 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
Jim,
I can't speak to whether or not there are steel tube long fuselage Piets out there
off the top of my head.....but as far as the plans go:
There are no plans for a steel tube long fuselage. Here's a quick list of the various
fuselages there are plans for:
Flying and Glider manual 13' 5" length: Wood and steel
1933 'Improved' approx 13' 7" length: Wood
Supplemental plans long fuselage approx 14' 5": Wood
Ryan
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
Has anybody built a long fuselage out of tube and fabric instead of wood?
For some reason over the last couple years I thought the t&f fuselage was synonymous
with the long fuselage. I was just going through the supplemental drawings
to add up tubing lengths to put together a Dillsburg order, and now I see the
t&f fuselage is actually a couple inches shorter than the standard wood.
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Its true that there are never enough hours in the day. When planning to
build a Pietenpol you might want to consider how old your kids will be 5
years down the road. If you are still working and raising kids, etc It
will easily take that long. The Piet is a great project, I am just a
little over 5 years into my project and may be ready to fly in a month
or so. The down side of building from plans is how long it takes. The
up side is you get to spend a little money here and there instead of a
huge chunk up front. You didn't say where you live, but if you let us
know there may be a Piet or two close enough that you could do a site
visit and meet one of us in person. This list provides loads of help
and is a great group of guys/gals. Good Luck
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Reassembling the A-65, then FAA inspection
A&PBuggy wrote:
>
> Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife wants
a four place so the kids can ride too but, there is no way to afford such
a thing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often, the kids are
small yet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time. I have Grega
plans that were given to me back in 02, not sure if I want to use them or
go with original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Buggy.
>
> --------
> never enough hours in the day.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281657#281657
>
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Buggy,
You have a great wife, she enjoys flying! Both aircraft are very good, I'm
partial to the Pietenpol, I like the design and you will get more support
from this list. I started with an RV8, building it to the stage of buying
an engine. Holy cow, I had two boys in college and couldn't afford the
engine and prop. Sold it and started the Piet. It is quite an endeavor,
Building a kit (RV8) is much easier, plans really challenge you. I'm
building a long fuselage version and planning a 0200 for power. To save
money you can utilize a C65 which can be very affordable and reliable. If
you go with a 65 you will want to build it very light. When light, the
Pietenpol performs well with a 65. This list is the best resource available
when building a Piet without question! Utilize the list archives; they have
a bundle of helpful information. One last thought. When you strap the kids
up front make sure you plan to have a removable stick. Oh... when you
finish your project they may be a little larger, just put one up front.
Good luck,
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A&PBuggy
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to site
<bcjohnston@charter.net>
Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife
wants a four place so the kids can ride too but, there is no way to afford
such a thing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often, the
kids are small yet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time.
I have Grega plans that were given to me back in 02, not sure if I want to
use them or go with original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be
greatly appreciated! Thanks, Buggy.
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Thanks for the replies guys, It's great to see that you are building! I would like
to build many different planes but raising two young girls (3&4 yrs old),
takes alot of time and $$$!
Having plans in hand already, and always liking the pietenpol, I really want to
build one!!! I have a 28x48 garage to work in and have alot of time during the
winter months.
I would like to run an 65 or 85 in it, at least something with a starter and gen/alt.
Are most guys building the 3 piece wing due to workspace restrictions or is it
just easier?
Who has the best quality/price on spruce & ply?
Extended fuse or not?
Sorry for all the questions all at once but I want to get a good game plan.
Thanks, Buggy.
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| Subject: | Re: Austin Visit |
No worries, Tim. When you're in better circumstances I'll fly to Kittie Hill or
Georgetown. Hope your wife feels better!
Kevin
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| Subject: | Composit (sic) fuel tanks |
What's wrong with a fuel tank built to the plans out of galvanized steel as used
in heating ducts and soldered together? Easy to do, quickly built, light weight,
no issues with ethanol or other additives and cheap.
KISS.
Larry
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Buggy,
Check out the list archives at: http://www.matronics.com/search/
<http://www.matronics.com/search/>Choose Pietenpol from the drop-down menu,
read the instructions on how to best format your search to get solid
results, and search away. There is a wealth of information in the archives
to answer just about any Piet question you can think of, all you have to do
is look for it. Have a good night,
Ryan
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:55 PM, A&PBuggy <bcjohnston@charter.net>wrote:
> bcjohnston@charter.net>
>
> Thanks for the replies guys, It's great to see that you are building! I
> would like to build many different planes but raising two young girls (3&4
> yrs old), takes alot of time and $$$!
> Having plans in hand already, and always liking the pietenpol, I really
> want to build one!!! I have a 28x48 garage to work in and have alot of time
> during the winter months.
> I would like to run an 65 or 85 in it, at least something with a starter
> and gen/alt.
> Are most guys building the 3 piece wing due to workspace restrictions or is
> it just easier?
> Who has the best quality/price on spruce & ply?
> Extended fuse or not?
> Sorry for all the questions all at once but I want to get a good game plan.
> Thanks, Buggy.
>
>
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Buggy,
Are you frugal with your $$$? Is cost a consideration? A major
consideration? I am....and it is for me.
Others, like me, are building with Poplar, or some other close equivalent to
AC Spruce. I locally bought all my wood for the frame for around
$300...plywood extra. Spars are locally purchased fir for $150.
Others, like me, are choosing to power their Dream Machines with self-built
Corvair engines (www.flycorvair.com).
Heck, others, like me, are making their own props! Mine is Hickory...cost,
with glue, about $100.
Not all on this list will agree, or may encourage you to take a more
conventional route...but the option is there, and you will find all the help
you need, no matter what direction you choose. There are some truly gifted
individuals on this list, who freely give great advice.
I hope the bug bites you, as it did me, 35 years ago, but that you answer to
it far sooner than did I. I spent 1 year on my Corvair, and 20 months, so
far on my airframe...and it has been pure pleasure!
Long fuse, 3 piece wing
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A&PBuggy
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
<bcjohnston@charter.net>
Thanks for the replies guys, It's great to see that you are building! I
would like to build many different planes but raising two young girls (3&4
yrs old), takes alot of time and $$$!
Having plans in hand already, and always liking the pietenpol, I really want
to build one!!! I have a 28x48 garage to work in and have alot of time
during the winter months.
I would like to run an 65 or 85 in it, at least something with a starter and
gen/alt.
Are most guys building the 3 piece wing due to workspace restrictions or is
it just easier?
Who has the best quality/price on spruce & ply?
Extended fuse or not?
Sorry for all the questions all at once but I want to get a good game plan.
Thanks, Buggy.
--------
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