Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sat 01/16/10


Total Messages Posted: 12



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: New to site (Jack)
     2. 05:59 AM - Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping info (helspersew@aol.com)
     3. 09:23 AM - Re: New to site (V Groah)
     4. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: New to site (Tim Willis)
     5. 12:27 PM - Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping info (santiago morete)
     6. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Austin Visit (Tim Willis)
     7. 12:44 PM - New to site (santiago morete)
     8. 02:03 PM - Sky Scout Project (jeremy bramall)
     9. 02:11 PM - Re: Composit (sic) fuel tanks (Michael Perez)
    10. 04:11 PM - Re: New to site (dgaldrich)
    11. 08:05 PM - Re: Austin Visit (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    12. 08:37 PM - Re: New to site (A&PBuggy)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:26:43 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Re: New to site
    Buggy, That garage sounds great; I'm utilizing a family room. It's also good to have extra time in the winter. I made the commitment to work on mine daily, even if it's only an hour. I can't believe the progress being made now. I too wanted a starter and shopping for a 0200 currently. I'm shying away from the 85 because parts are getting harder to find for them. Take Ryan's advice, the archives are fantastic. Type in a search string and voila instant gratification! You will find definite opinions on EVERYTHING. In my opinion staying close the plans, using quality wood and staying with a aircraft engine is the way to go. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A&amp;PBuggy Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site <bcjohnston@charter.net> Thanks for the replies guys, It's great to see that you are building! I would like to build many different planes but raising two young girls (3&4 yrs old), takes alot of time and $$$! Having plans in hand already, and always liking the pietenpol, I really want to build one!!! I have a 28x48 garage to work in and have alot of time during the winter months. I would like to run an 65 or 85 in it, at least something with a starter and gen/alt. Are most guys building the 3 piece wing due to workspace restrictions or is it just easier? Who has the best quality/price on spruce & ply? Extended fuse or not? Sorry for all the questions all at once but I want to get a good game plan. Thanks, Buggy. -------- never enough hours in the day. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281753#281753


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    Time: 05:59:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping
    info
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    For anybody contemplating carving their own prop, here is a link to a cool site that has many examples of cool, old-time-looking prop shapes, along with historical information on many early prop types. www.woodenpropeller.com I need help finding some information on how to apply brass prop tipping. I have read verbal explanations on how to do this, but have never seen an y photos showing anyone actually doing it. Is it just bent by hand, with hammers etc., without pre-forming, against the prop? It would seem to me that it would be very difficult to get it to lay flat against the wood fo rming it this way. Can anybody help me find this info? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL


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    Time: 09:23:40 AM PST US
    From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
    Subject: New to site
    When my son Mike started our project 2 years ago I was not impressed but we nt into it with him to have a father and son project. Well=2C there is som ething about this Pietenpol thing that gets to you. A great network and th e plane itself has a great reputation within the flying community. I have since bought into the project as a partner. We are building the long version=2C 3 piece wing from plans purchased from the Pietenpol family. we did add the door to the front so an old guy (me) can get into the front. We are building with spruce because we feel the d ifference in weight and strength will pay for the difference in material co st over the years. We did use poplar for the rear deck as I had a couple h undred feet in stock and it is not really structural. Since I already ha d poplar we could have done the whole thing in poplar but it is not quite a s strong. Granted=2C the design is over built and it probably would be ple nty strong. We are using a rebuilt junk yard Corvair engine in order to have enough pow er to lift 2 large guys at one time. If you decide to go with a Piet you will have access to a lot of help. Vic > Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to site > From: bcjohnston@charter.net > Date: Fri=2C 15 Jan 2010 10:05:39 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > r.net> > > Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wif e wants a four place so the kids can ride too but=2C there is no way to aff ord such a thing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often=2C the kids are small yet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time. I have Grega plans that were given to me back in 02=2C not sure if I want to use them or go with original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Thanks=2C Buggy. > > -------- > never enough hours in the day. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281657#281657 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.


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    Time: 11:23:36 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: New to site
    Where are you? Freight and convenience are factors on the wood and plywood. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: "A&amp;PBuggy" <bcjohnston@charter.net> >Sent: Jan 15, 2010 8:55 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site > > >Thanks for the replies guys, It's great to see that you are building! I would like to build many different planes but raising two young girls (3&4 yrs old), takes alot of time and $$$! >Having plans in hand already, and always liking the pietenpol, I really want to build one!!! I have a 28x48 garage to work in and have alot of time during the winter months. >I would like to run an 65 or 85 in it, at least something with a starter and gen/alt. >Are most guys building the 3 piece wing due to workspace restrictions or is it just easier? >Who has the best quality/price on spruce & ply? >Extended fuse or not? >Sorry for all the questions all at once but I want to get a good game plan. >Thanks, Buggy. > >-------- >never enough hours in the day. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281753#281753 > >


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    Time: 12:27:13 PM PST US
    From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
    Subject: Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping
    info Hi Dan! - There is an excellent book of 1921 called The Airplane Propeller where you can find some information about copper tipping, fabric sheathing and even p igskin tipping! You can download this book here www.archive.org/details/air planepropell00corpgoog - When we were-in Oshkosh I took a couple of photos showing the metal tippi ng (brass maybe?) on a Waco prop. You can see the cuts made to-form the m etal properly. Attached is a small drawing that can be useful to. Saludos - Santiago=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/


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    Time: 12:39:13 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Austin Visit
    Kevin, Thanks. Looks like a great flying day today. I will be in touch. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> >Sent: Jan 15, 2010 11:29 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Austin Visit > > >No worries, Tim. When you're in better circumstances I'll fly to Kittie Hill or Georgetown. Hope your wife feels better! > >Kevin > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281763#281763 > >


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    Time: 12:44:41 PM PST US
    From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
    Subject: New to site
    Hi Buggy - Humbly, I-think-you should build a Pietenpol.- I only see disadvantag es in the Grega design. Saludos - Santiago=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/


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    Time: 02:03:02 PM PST US
    From: jeremy bramall <outofthebox50@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Sky Scout Project
    Early last year, Dad sold his Mooney and decided to devote his time to fini shing our Piet.- It's been a while now and Dad misses having a fast plane .- We already have one low and slow plane, so he wants to sell the Piet a nd start on a faster project.- - Our plane is a Sky Scout with all the woodwork done.- The wings, ailerons , fuse, and empenage are all built.- Most of the hinges and pulleys are t here.- The control stick and torque stick are near complete.- The rudde r pedals are built.- It is ready for landing gear, motor and mount, and m ock up for covering.- There is a fiberglass cowl tank that I would be cau tious about trusting unless you are going to use only ethanol free fuels. - We aquired it from the son of the origional builder who was deceased. - The son didn't know anything about the project, so we don't know what w ood or glue was used.- The construction is beautiful and the builder was very meticulous about most everything.- I have a set of plans that we bou ght from the Pietenpol family with builder's manual.- I may also include a set of 19 inch motorcycle wheels with lightweigth disk brakes and master cylinders, a new air speed indicator, and a beautiful altimeter that is jus t like Papa Mikes if I recall correclty.- - The wings-and tail could be added to someones-Air Camper and knock a lo t of time off of your build.- - Dad would like to get $1000 for everything.-- He would probably take $8 00 for the project minus wheels and instruments.- It is located in his ha nger just south of Waxahachie Lake in TX.- If anyone wants to see it they could land at KJWY and we will pick you up, or if you have good STOL capab ilities, you could land at his 850ft grass strip.- - Email me off list and I can send pics. Jeremy Bramall Dallas, TX


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    Time: 02:11:38 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Composit (sic) fuel tanks
    I don't know...will that work?- Sounds like a good idea. I didn't see a n ose mounted fuel tank in the plans... - I don't like to K.I.S.S; too boring and no challenge, but-that's just me.


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    Time: 04:11:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New to site
    From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
    If you're in Da UP, check out the EAA chapter in Iron Mountain. At least one guy there has built a Pietenpol and they are a very active chapter, or were anyway. I know it's a hike from Ironwood to IMT but I'm betting it'll be worth it. Don't remember the chapter number. Good luck and welcome to the club. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281857#281857


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    Time: 08:05:19 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: Austin Visit
    ah My boys have a flag football game. I may bug my son in to flying down but it will be post 1500 if at all. Blue skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Austin Visit > > Hi - Hope to visit Austin this weekend on Sunday, Jan 17. I plan to fly to Lockhart (1/2 hour south of Austin, an hour north of San Antonio). > The goal is to meet The Girl at about 1130 at the airport and get > lunch. Anyone who'd like to join us is welcome. I'll post on > Sunday morning before leaving to verify that I'm going to try it. > > Best regards, > Kevin Purtee > 512-422-6371 > NX899KP > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281582#281582 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:37:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New to site
    From: "A&amp;PBuggy" <bcjohnston@charter.net>
    Wow!!!! You guys are great!!!!!! Good to see all the replies!!!!! I am in the U.P. of Mi. , lots of snow here, just got home from Eagle River Wi. , watching world champion snowmobile oval racing!!! Great fun!!!! #1. I am leaning more toward Pietenpol plans more than Grega's, One of my A&P instructors gave them to me (Grega)when he chose the originals instead. (No offense toward Grega) #2. Poplar is abundant here where I live, never gave that enough thought, Thanks for the suggestion. #3. I need to do some more research on the Corvair engine, Could be cheaper than 65/85. #4. I think there is one flying out of Marquette Mi. that I could look at, about 2.5 hrs away from home. Well worth the ride, as that is where I went to get my A&P and Private pilot from. Would be great to see the old school again!!!! #5. Have fun guys and keep building!!!!!!!!! Hope to join the ranks soon!!!!!!! Buggy. -------- never enough hours in the day. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281872#281872




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