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1. 04:31 AM - Re: Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping info (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:52 AM - Austin Visit's a Go, Sunday 17 Jan, ETA Lockhart 1130 (kevinpurtee)
3. 06:43 AM - Fuselage cross strut question (Jack)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: Fuselage cross strut question (Gary Boothe)
5. 07:30 AM - Re: Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping info (Gary Boothe)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: Fuselage cross strut question ()
7. 08:04 AM - Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? (wildhorsesracing)
8. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: New to site (John Recine)
9. 08:27 AM - Re: Fuselage cross strut question (Jerry Dotson)
10. 08:31 AM - Re: Fuselage cross strut question (John Recine)
11. 09:59 AM - Re: Fuselage cross strut question (Ben Charvet)
12. 10:12 AM - Re: Fuselage cross strut question (Kip and Beth Gardner)
13. 10:46 AM - Re: Fuselage cross strut question (Jack Phillips)
14. 11:53 AM - Re: Fuselage cross strut question (Jack)
15. 03:32 PM - Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping info (santiago morete)
16. 05:01 PM - Re: New to site (dgaldrich)
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| Subject: | Re: Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping |
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Santiago,
Thanks for that info. That 1920 book is very informative, and I had not se
en it before. Once again, you are a wealth of knowledge! This is what that
book has to say on the subject.
The sheet copper is cut to pattern by and rubbing on a hollowed out wood
block
This is helpful, but not really detailed. Maybe I am trying to complicated
this process too much. I will just have to experiment myself I think. Are
you planning to put the metal tipping on yours? How will you attempt it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Austin Visit's a Go, Sunday 17 Jan, ETA Lockhart 1130 |
ETD from Lockhart back to Houston 1330. Lunch in beautiful Lockhart.
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
512-422-6371
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| Subject: | Fuselage cross strut question |
Good morning,
The long fuselage plan supplement does not show the dimensions for the width
of the cross struts. I assume I don't use the dimensions called out in the
short version plans. I have the front fuselage secure and the tail post
glued. The curve to the tail looks nice, should I cut the cross struts to
fit as is, making sure the dimensions for the top and respective bottom
struts are the same length?
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Fuselage cross strut question |
That's what I did, Jack. Dimensions were set back to the rear cockpit, then
to 0" at the tail..just took measurements at each station. I suspect that
different woods, and different grain patterns affect how the longerons make
the bend.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage cross strut question
Good morning,
The long fuselage plan supplement does not show the dimensions for the width
of the cross struts. I assume I don't use the dimensions called out in the
short version plans. I have the front fuselage secure and the tail post
glued. The curve to the tail looks nice, should I cut the cross struts to
fit as is, making sure the dimensions for the top and respective bottom
struts are the same length?
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping |
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Dan,
I know little to nothing about metal working, but I suspected that, if I
wanted metal tips, I would have to carve a 'trough' in some wood, that
somewhat came close to the leading edge of my props. Working the metal in to
the trough would be done with wood, also..anyhow, that's how I would attempt
it.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass
tipping info
Santiago,
Thanks for that info. That 1920 book is very informative, and I had not seen
it before. Once again, you are a wealth of knowledge! This is what that book
has to say on the subject.
The sheet copper is cut to pattern by and rubbing on a hollowed out wood
block
This is helpful, but not really detailed. Maybe I am trying to complicated
this process too much. I will just have to experiment myself I think. Are
you planning to put the metal tipping on yours? How will you attempt it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage cross strut question |
The width of the long fuselage is the same as the short fuselage,
24-inches at the front tapering to the tail as shown on the short plans.
Some people start the taper behind the rear seat for more room for the
back seat.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage cross strut question
Good morning,
The long fuselage plan supplement does not show the dimensions for the
width of the cross struts. I assume I don't use the dimensions called
out in the short version plans. I have the front fuselage secure and
the tail post glued. The curve to the tail looks nice, should I cut the
cross struts to fit as is, making sure the dimensions for the top and
respective bottom struts are the same length?
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage in tube and fabric? |
It is barely legible but mine says 5/8" - .035
-jim pantas
www.wildhorsesracing.com
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From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 9:34:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long fuselage in tube and fabric?
What does it say about the tube diameters from station 2 to 13 and 2 to 12?
The drawing I'm looking at says "1937 AIR CAMPER WITH 1960 CORVAIR ENGINE" at the
top.
Jim Ash
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From: wildhorsesracing
Sent: Jan 14, 2010 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long fuselage in tube and fabric?
I just ordered a set of plans and the front page is a complete steel diagram -
the top longeron is 5/8 x .035
-jim pantas
www.wildhorsesracing.com
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 7:58:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long fuselage in tube and fabric?
Jim,
I can't speak to whether or not there are steel tube long fuselage Piets out there
off the top of my head.....but as far as the plans go:
There are no plans for a steel tube long fuselage. Here's a quick list of the various
fuselages there are plans for:
Flying and Glider manual 13' 5" length: Wood and steel
1933 'Improved' approx 13' 7" length: Wood
Supplemental plans long fuselage approx 14' 5": Wood
Ryan
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
Has anybody built a long fuselage out of tube and fabric instead of wood?
For some reason over the last couple years I thought the t&f fuselage was synonymous
with the long fuselage. I was just going through the supplemental drawings
to add up tubing lengths to put together a Dillsburg order, and now I see the
t&f fuselage is actually a couple inches shorter than the standard wood.
Jim Ash
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Buggy
Welcome to the light side. Fyi, I'm building with poplar and really like it. Once
you begin working with it I think you'll find it a nice wood to work with and
more than suitable for your needs.
John
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From: A&PBuggy
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Sent: Jan 16, 2010 11:37 PM
Wow!!!! You guys are great!!!!!! Good to see all the replies!!!!!
I am in the U.P. of Mi. , lots of snow here, just got home from Eagle River Wi.
, watching world champion snowmobile oval racing!!! Great fun!!!!
#1. I am leaning more toward Pietenpol plans more than Grega's, One of my A&P
instructors gave them to me (Grega)when he chose the originals instead. (No offense
toward Grega)
#2. Poplar is abundant here where I live, never gave that enough thought, Thanks
for the suggestion.
#3. I need to do some more research on the Corvair engine, Could be cheaper than
65/85.
#4. I think there is one flying out of Marquette Mi. that I could look at, about
2.5 hrs away from home. Well worth the ride, as that is where I went to get
my A&P and Private pilot from. Would be great to see the old school again!!!!
#5. Have fun guys and keep building!!!!!!!!! Hope to join the ranks soon!!!!!!!
Buggy.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage cross strut question |
Jack,
The dimensions called out on the plans give outside dimensions. I just subtracted
2 inches from that and cut. I haven't gotten my fuselage sides together yet.
Will post a picture when I do.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage cross strut question |
Jack,
I cut mine on the basis of dimensional preference. Mine is a wide body so I am
at 27 inches to the inside as a basis for the rest of my lateral stringers. I
carried that from the forward bulk head to the beginning of the taper at the rear
of the rear pit.
Hope that provides some help
John
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From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage cross strut question
Good morning,
The long fuselage plan supplement does not show the dimensions for the width
of the cross struts. I assume I don't use the dimensions called out in the
short version plans. I have the front fuselage secure and the tail post
glued. The curve to the tail looks nice, should I cut the cross struts to
fit as is, making sure the dimensions for the top and respective bottom
struts are the same length?
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage cross strut question |
Jack wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
> The long fuselage plan supplement does not show the dimensions for the
> width of the cross struts. I assume I dont use the dimensions called
> out in the short version plans. I have the front fuselage secure and
> the tail post glued. The curve to the tail looks nice, should I cut
> the cross struts to fit as is, making sure the dimensions for the top
> and respective bottom struts are the same length?
>
> Thanks,
>
I used the same dimensions as the short fuselage and everything worked
out fine...
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage cross strut question |
Just make sure that the curve between the seat back and the tail post
is smooth and that your tailpost is planed down to the correct
thickness (1") . The person who put my fuse together made the
crosspieces at the last two stations just a smidge short and the fuse
pulls in just a bit there - I'm having to fit in some very thin
fairing pieces along the edges of the top & bottom longerons to get a
nice smooth, convex curve. This pull in was made worse by the fact
that he also left the tailpost 1-1/2" wide. I'm still debating
whether or not to try to deconstruct the tailpost area & make it right.
KIp Gardner
On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:34 AM, <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
> The width of the long fuselage is the same as the short fuselage,
> 24-inches at the front tapering to the tail as shown on the short
> plans. Some people start the taper behind the rear seat for more
> room for the back seat.
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:42 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage cross strut question
>
> Good morning,
> The long fuselage plan supplement does not show the dimensions for
> the width of the cross struts. I assume I don=92t use the dimensions
> called out in the short version plans. I have the front fuselage
> secure and the tail post glued. The curve to the tail looks nice,
> should I cut the cross struts to fit as is, making sure the
> dimensions for the top and respective bottom struts are the same
> length?
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuselage cross strut question |
Exactly right, Jack. With the straight section of the fuselage secured and
the tailpost glued, the wood will naturally assume a 4th order polynomial
curve. Any attempt to change that curve would just add more stress to the
wood for no purpose. Just make the cross struts fit, keeping everything
square and symmetrical. It is easiest to keep everything square and in
alignment if you invert the fuselage on your workbench, laying the top
longerons flat against the tabletop, then keep the uprights plumb and
square. See photo below:
Note the plumb bobs hanging over the centerline to keep it all symmetrical.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage cross strut question
Good morning,
The long fuselage plan supplement does not show the dimensions for the width
of the cross struts. I assume I don't use the dimensions called out in the
short version plans. I have the front fuselage secure and the tail post
glued. The curve to the tail looks nice, should I cut the cross struts to
fit as is, making sure the dimensions for the top and respective bottom
struts are the same length?
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Fuselage cross strut question |
Thanks to all, very helpful information!
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Cool propeller shapes- need help finding brass tipping |
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Hi Dan,
-
Did you read pages 102 and 103, right? We sent our propeller to be partiall
y covered with fiberglass but I would have liked to-frabricate-the meta
l tipping.
Maybe you can make a copy of the leading edge-in hard wood-and form the
brass over it.-Wrinkles will appear, but you can cut the excess and then
braze the cuts and sand the brazing to make it smooth.- Just an idea...I
don't know.
Saludos
-
Santiago
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The guy who built the one in Marquette is a friend of mine. Name is Dave VanDenburg
and he teaches A&P at NMU. He's retired USAF and has built an RV-6 and
a Kitfox. Also has several Model A's. I asked him why he didn't use one in his
Pietenpol and he said he's walked home too many times to trust one in an airplane.
Used a C-85 in his.
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