---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/19/10: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: New to site (Skip Gadd) 2. 05:12 AM - Piets in South Texas (Mike King) 3. 06:52 AM - brass prop tips (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 07:09 AM - Re: Piets in South Texas (Tim Willis) 5. 07:13 AM - Landing gear (Richard O Carden) 6. 07:29 AM - Re: Landing gear (dgaldrich) 7. 07:35 AM - Re: Landing gear (Tim Willis) 8. 07:43 AM - Re: Landing gear (Michael Groah) 9. 07:52 AM - Re: New to site (dgaldrich) 10. 08:37 AM - Off Topic - Rocket Racing League (K5YAC) 11. 08:49 AM - Re: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) (Dan Yocum) 12. 08:49 AM - Re: Landing gear (ivan.todorovic) 13. 09:27 AM - Re: Landing gear (Rick Holland) 14. 09:29 AM - Re: Off Topic - Rocket Racing League (K5YAC) 15. 10:44 AM - upcoming Corvair College #17 (Oscar Zuniga) 16. 11:49 AM - Re: Cool propeller shapes- how to make brass tipping (Dan Yocum) 17. 12:11 PM - Re: Piets in South Texas (kevinpurtee) 18. 12:16 PM - Airspeed Lies (kevinpurtee) 19. 12:21 PM - Lexan Windshield Cracks (kevinpurtee) 20. 12:25 PM - Re: Airspeed Lies (Ken Chambers) 21. 12:44 PM - Re: Lexan Windshield Cracks (H RULE) 22. 01:23 PM - Re: Piets in South Texas (taildrags) 23. 02:25 PM - thanks and a new question... (Douwe Blumberg) 24. 02:32 PM - Re: thanks and a new question... (Jack Phillips) 25. 02:50 PM - Re: Lexan Windshield Cracks (shad bell) 26. 06:03 PM - Re: Landing gear (Jack) 27. 06:58 PM - Re: Piets in South Texas (John Franklin) 28. 07:02 PM - Re: Lexan Windshield Cracks (John Franklin) 29. 07:04 PM - Re: Landing gear (Jeff Boatright) 30. 08:13 PM - Selling my Pietenpol Project (Jim Markle) 31. 08:23 PM - Re: Piets in South Texas (Mike King) 32. 08:29 PM - Re: Selling my Pietenpol Project (gboothe5@comcast.net) 33. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: Piets in South Texas (Mike King) 34. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: Piets in South Texas (Mike King) 35. 09:29 PM - Re: Selling my Pietenpol Project (amsafetyc@aol.com) 36. 09:30 PM - Re: Landing gear (taildrags) 37. 09:40 PM - Re: Airspeed Lies (taildrags) 38. 09:43 PM - Re: Selling my Pietenpol Project (H RULE) 39. 10:11 PM - Re: Selling my Pietenpol Project (Javier Cruz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:40 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site dgaldrich, Wow! Northern has an aviation dept now? Wish they had one in the 70's when I was there. Skip Do Not Archive > > The guy who built the one in Marquette is a friend of mine. Name is Dave VanDenburg and he teaches A&P at NMU. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:36 AM PST US From: Mike King Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in South Texas Hello everyone. It has been a few years since I moved from the Dallas, Texas area to South Texas......Corpus Christi. I finally got the GN-1 to its new home to nearby Ingleside. This past Sunday I saw and later met the owner of a true Piet based in Rockport. He and I would like to see who else in the South Texas area has a Piet/GN-1. Thanks in advance. Mike King GN-1 77MK Corpus Christi mikek120@mindspring.com (361) 946-0685 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:51 AM PST US From: Douwe Blumberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass prop tips Being a metal worker, I know a little about this kind of thing. The first thing to know is that you've got to keep annealing your brass by heating it and quenching it (the opposite of ferrous metals). While you're working it, it'll get hard pretty quick, and as soon as that starts, you've got to stop and anneal it again. I've looked at a few tips and many seem to have made some judicious slices to help with the sharper bends and filled them with solder later. A negative mold might work, but I'd say start with some pretty thin brass and use a positive shape of hard wood and use a light planishing hammer to just start working it around the form. There are many metal forms available to help get the shapes you need, and a metal working sandbag is very helpful. I'm sure there are plenty of articles on the internet about sheet metal forming that would be very helpful. Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:10 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in South Texas Mike, depending upon how far south is "south TX," Oscar Zuniga in San Antonio, and on this board, is certainly a great contact and his true Piet is a good model for you for comparison. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Mike King >Sent: Jan 19, 2010 7:11 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in South Texas > > >Hello everyone. It has been a few years since I moved from the Dallas, >Texas area to South Texas......Corpus Christi. I finally got the GN-1 >to its new home to nearby Ingleside. > >This past Sunday I saw and later met the owner of a true Piet based in >Rockport. He and I would like to see who else in the South Texas area >has a Piet/GN-1. > >Thanks in advance. > >Mike King >GN-1 >77MK >Corpus Christi >mikek120@mindspring.com >(361) 946-0685 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:49 AM PST US From: Richard O Carden Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear At one time I had a copy of a drawing showing the construction of a landing gear leg which used a tube within a tube and a spring to take up landing shock. I've misplaced it, and I can't find it in the archives. Can someone direct me to its location? Many thanks, Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear From: "dgaldrich" Bill Rewey sells a packet of stuff that includes one example. His $20 packet has a LOT of worthwhile stuff. There are others here with similar stuff but I like to throw business his way since he works so hard for the BPA. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282225#282225 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:12 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear I think the Skyote has that design. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Richard O Carden >Sent: Jan 19, 2010 9:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear > > >At one time I had a copy of a drawing showing the construction of a landing gear leg which used a tube within a tube and a spring to take up landing shock. I've misplaced it, and I can't find it in the archives. Can someone direct me to its location? > >Many thanks, >Dick Carden > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:10 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear I did the straight axle gear so I didn't keep much information on the other gear types, but I did find that I had this. I don't know that it's what you're looking for but here it is. Mike Groah Tulare CA Working on wiring and cowling. ________________________________ From: Richard O Carden Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 7:10:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear At one time I had a copy of a drawing showing the construction of a landing gear leg which used a tube within a tube and a spring to take up landing shock. I've misplaced it, and I can't find it in the archives. Can someone direct me to its location? Many thanks, Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site From: "dgaldrich" I taught there for a year in the early 90's. The A&P program was actually started in the late 80's and the first class graduated in 91, iirc. Since the school was part of the Tech Ed department and located by the main campus (no runway), they never could have a real flight school. The program was started by a guy named Jim Dehlin, now retired, who lost both legs mid-thigh in Vietnam. In spite of that, he was a DE and flew a Piper Comanche on a SODA. An inspiring guy. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282231#282231 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Off Topic - Rocket Racing League From: "K5YAC" I sent this out via e-mail and facebook... but I just want to reach as many people as I can... so I'm reposting it. Last night at our EAA meeting, we visited with Jim Bridenstine (Tulsa Air and Space Museum Director) and Shuttle Endeavor Mission Specialist (STS-113, Flight Engineer), CDR John Harrington. Both spoke about the TASM Air Show/Rocket Racing event that will be held on Saturday, March 13 at TASM (NW corner of Tulsa International Airport). I know that I sent many of you a write up on the Rocket Racing League nearly a year ago, but I cant possibly cover all the details that were discussed last night. In brief, there should be several aircraft displays and demonstrations, and they are planning to have jumbotrons placed where spectators can enjoy a POV view of the race while it occurs in front of and in the air above the crowd. This will be the first (and quite possibly the last) rocket race in Tulsa. These things are very powerful and very loud mark your calendars and invite your friends this ought to be an awesome event. These fellows also gave us an update on their efforts to acquire a space shuttle for the Tulsa Air and Space Museum. Of the three that will be entering retirement, one is already spoken for (Enterprise - NASA). Two remain Endeavor and Atlantis. CDR Harrington would obviously like to see Endeavor land in Tulsa. Here is one of the videos that we watched at our meeting last night. http://www.landtheshuttle.com/ When you go to the link, you will have to click on the Media/Gallery link once there, click on Videos and play the default video that comes up. It is about 6 minutes long. Felice Baldwin (wife of Dr. Guy Baldwin) visited with us about the need for volunteers in order to get the Oklahoma air show circuit back up and running. Guy was the coordinator and air boss at the Claremore Wings Over Oklahoma Air Show up until the last event in 2005, and they were both instrumental in the Muskogee air shows, which havent occurred for several years. For those that didnt know him, Guy Baldwin was the Aviation Medical Examiner for most of us in the Tulsa area he was killed in an accident in 2006. Im not sure what may be in the works for the coming year, but Felice was generally trying to reach out for suggestions and support (volunteers) in the event that we land a show in the coming season. We had a really good program to start the year off right. Ill keep you posted if I hear anything more on these or other aviation events. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282236#282236 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/final_flying_165.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:16 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) Hi Ken, Thanks for the info. Looks like I'm out-of-luck for a while, though. The digital archives span from 1953 - through Dec 2008, then skip Jan through Mar of 2009. Humph. Or, I'll could poke around some friend's libraries to see if they have the article. A gentlemen contacted me off the list and said that he was using Callair wooden skis on his Chief. I suspect that's what the gent from La Sueur has. They look like a dandy set of skis... Cheers, Dan On 01/15/2010 04:41 PM, Ken Howe wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Howe > > > There was an article in SportAviation not too long ago about aircraft skis. > (Jan 2009?) I think that the clamp-on type was mentioned, with pictures. > You might try to look it up and see if there are any references to more > info. > > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:49:34 -0600, Dan Yocum wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum >> >> Dick, >> >> Ah, that's too bad. I guess I'll call him and politely introduce >> myself. Hope he doesn't think I'm some crack-pot... >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> do not archive >> >> On 01/15/2010 01:48 PM, Dick N wrote: >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick N" >>> >>> No I don't know them. I saw the same report and drove down there the >>> next day to see if they needed anything. They were already gone. They >>> got off a bit lucky, the same thing happened a few years ago and they >>> made the guy take the wings off and truck it out. The difference is that >>> the lakes in the City of Minneapolis are part of the Park system and >>> closed to any use of motors. I checked the registeration and found the >>> plane was from LeSuerre, Mn. which is about 80 mi. away. I didn't hear >>> anything about the amount of the fine but I did hear the FAA said there >>> were no FAA violations. There are many lakes in the metro area that are >>> just fine for landing, just not in the City limits of Mpls and St. Paul. >>> Dick N. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:05 PM >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...) >>> >>> >>>> OK, I've been jonesin' for a flying fix (damn the thermometer, full >>>> speed ahead!) and my mind keeps coming back to ways to put skis on > N8031 >>>> without taking the wheels off. I've been doing a lot mental engineering >>>> and have come up with a solution of wood skis (like Frank P's) with >>>> metal cradles for the wheels. >>>> >>>> Lo-and-behold, as I watched the little video that the Minneapolis TV >>>> news station put out, I came across exactly what I want to build. Word >>>> to the wise - apparently, you can land on 9,999 lakes in Minnesota, but >>>> if it's Lake Calhoun inside the Minneapolis city limits, you'll get a >>>> nice visit from the park police, the FAA, and a $1000 fine. >>>> >>>> Pictures of the skis are attached. >>>> >>>> Dick N. - do happen to know either of these guys? I'd like to get some >>>> better pictures of these skis and how they get them on the plane. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dan Yocum >>>> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >>>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >>>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear From: "ivan.todorovic" I've got these two drawings, maybe that is what you are looking for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282243#282243 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/landing_gear_spring_647.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/spring_gear_848_129.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear From: Rick Holland Thats the diagram I use for my Cub-Style gear, worked well. rick On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Michael Groah wrote: > I did the straight axle gear so I didn't keep much information on the other > gear types, but I did find that I had this. I don't know that it's what > you're looking for but here it is. > > > Mike Groah > Tulare CA > Working on wiring and cowling. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Richard O Carden > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tue, January 19, 2010 7:10:19 AM > > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Landing gear > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Off Topic - Rocket Racing League From: "K5YAC" CORRECTION... The Air Show is scheduled for Saturday, March 27th, not the 13th like I originally indicated. Sorry about that. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282257#282257 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:20 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: upcoming Corvair College #17 From: williamtca@aol.com Subject: CorvAircraft> CC#17=2C Community College report=2C Cleanex notes. Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset="US-ASCII" Friends=2C Grace just finished editing and uploading a large update on our website covering the title topics. I will be glad to answer any questions the updat e brings up. I would also be glad to hear the thoughts of any of the builders who attended the Community College at Brady's. You can get a look at it here: _http://flycorvair.com/hangar.html_ (http://flycorvair.com/hangar.html) With the CC#17 registration on our webpage=2C the head start to Corvaircraf t guys has closed. If you have not yet registered=2C make your plans soon. We have about 8 people among the people already registered who are planning on assembling and test running their engines. This is good=2C and I am pretty sure we can do twice this amount=2C but there is a limit to the number of f ull build slots=2C so sign up and send me an email off list to get things going .. I would be very thankful if someone from this list who also is a member of the Zenith and Piet lists would forward this notice to those groups. Corvaircraft is the only web group that I read or participate in=2C but I w ould like to get the word out Have a good night=2C William Wynne 5000-18 HWY 17 #247 Orange Park=2C FL 32003 _http://ZenVair.com_ (http://ZenVair.com) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:49 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool propeller shapes- how to make brass tipping Hydrocal doesn't use aggregate and comes out at as smooth as a babies bottom: http://plaster.com/HYDROCAL.html On 01/18/2010 10:01 AM, Owen Davies wrote: > On 1/18/2010 7:26 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: >> As you know I have a prop that is very curvy in all directions. The >> idea that I came up with I think will work but is very complicated. >> Make a box, open at the top, about the length of 1/2 the propeller. >> fill with wet concrete (or plaster) and then push the leading edge >> down into the wet mixture (protected by polyethylene sheet) and let >> dry. After curing remove prop and then pre-cut brass. Push and form >> brass down into cured concrete mold to take on the shape of the prop. >> Complicated but I may try it at some point. >> > Sounds workable, but I wonder what kind of finish you will get off a > concrete mold. Is there anything that will smooth out the concrete so > you won't have to cope with massive irregularities from the sand, etc? > > Owen > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in South Texas From: "kevinpurtee" Mike - Houston/Austin is not south, but I'm looking for cross country opportunities. I'm out of town now, but I'll get with you off-line when I'm back at my home computer. Hans is in Waller. He may be up for something, too. Maybe meet in the middle. Kevin Purtee NX899KP 512-422-6371 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282301#282301 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airspeed Lies From: "kevinpurtee" I've claimed 100 mph top speed when flogging it, and 90 mph as a high end cruise. Did some verification with the GPS this weekend and my airspeed indicator reads about 10% high. So, I top out at 90mph at WOT (2850 rpm), 85 at 2800, 80 at 2700, 75 at 2600. I figured out I lied to you as I was getting my rear end handed to me by a headwind on my x-country to Austin. FYI Kevin Purtee NX899KP (Corvair) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282302#282302 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lexan Windshield Cracks From: "kevinpurtee" My windshields are beginning to crack at the center attach points. I've stop drilled them but they cracks are still propogating. Any advice? Thanks in advance, Kevin Purtee NX899KP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282303#282303 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airspeed Lies From: Ken Chambers Kevin Sorry I missed you on your trip to Austin. Would have loved to examined your beautiful Piet. On the plus side, I have a new (to me) table saw and I'm looking for a handrail I can cut into a leading edge. With any luck I'll finish up the center section this week. ken On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:16 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > I've claimed 100 mph top speed when flogging it, and 90 mph as a high end > cruise. Did some verification with the GPS this weekend and my airspeed > indicator reads about 10% high. So, I top out at 90mph at WOT (2850 rpm), > 85 at 2800, 80 at 2700, 75 at 2600. > > I figured out I lied to you as I was getting my rear end handed to me by a > headwind on my x-country to Austin. > > FYI > > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP (Corvair) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282302#282302 > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:48 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lexan Windshield Cracks Lexan does this especially when gas hits it.Drill a small hole at the end o f the crack and it won't go any further.Another thing I heard you can do, b ut as yet I have not tried it, is to make the holes with a hot soldering ir on instead of a drill.This prevents cracking as well especially on the orig inal hole.=0APlexy glass is much better and will not crack as easily but it won't bend as easily either.Plexy will not react to gas the way lexan will either.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: kevinpurtee =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, Ja nuary 19, 2010 3:18:52 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Lexan Windshield Crack .army.mil>=0A=0AMy windshields are beginning to crack at the center attach points.- I've stop drilled them but they cracks are still propogating.- Any advice?=0A=0AThanks in advance,=0AKevin Purtee=0ANX899KP=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in South Texas From: "taildrags" Although I am normally in South Texas, at the moment I'm sitting in Medford, Oregon pondering the 30+ MPH winds that are howling through the Rogue Valley. We lived here for nearly 10 years and are poised to being moving back here but our doggone house in San Antonio won't sell. Anyway, the Piet in Rockport/Aransas Pass that you're referring to is more than likely the beautiful Ford "A"-powered Piet that belongs to Ron and Pat Hollmer. I have only seen pictures of it but it's a very nice airplane. I've planned to fly down there and get together with Ron ever since he moved down there, not just to see him and the airplane but because our youngest son is a boat captain and fishing guide in nearby Port Aransas and I've been promising him an air tour of the area in my Piet. Maybe we can pull it together this spring?? -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282313#282313 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:37 PM PST US From: Douwe Blumberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: thanks and a new question... Thanks Jack for the advice, thirty seconds later the problem was solved. Getting pretty close to being ready for inspection. I'll tell you though, it's always the jobs you think will be a breeze that turn out to be bears, and the ones you dread fly by. I had Jim Kinsella come out to pre inspect it which was great, as he caught a few things. I thought my flying wires were a bit taught. How did you guys gauge that tension?? ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:32 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: thanks and a new question... I did mine by feel and sound. They should go "Thummm", not "Pinnnng", and should all be close to the same pitch. However, make sure that in trying to get the right tension on the wires that you don't shift the rigging of the airplane. The wire's purpose is to maintain the geometry of the airplane. As long as they are not slack they can do their job. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: thanks and a new question... Thanks Jack for the advice, thirty seconds later the problem was solved. Getting pretty close to being ready for inspection. I'll tell you though, it's always the jobs you think will be a breeze that turn out to be bears, and the ones you dread fly by. I had Jim Kinsella come out to pre inspect it which was great, as he caught a few things. I thought my flying wires were a bit taught. How did you guys gauge that tension?? ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:36 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lexan Windshield Cracks Kevin, are the windshield screws/bolts too tight?- Tighten them "just eno ugh" to hold it on there, and leave some room for expansion, and contractio n.- It might also help to over size the bolt holes a little.- We have j ust a few little cracks propigating from one of the bolt holes, but they se em to have stop growing for now. - Hope this helps, Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:08 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear This is what I have Dick. Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:04 PM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in South Texas Hi Mike, Jim Sury and I are building a GN-1 at Massamiliano airfield, 4TAO, near Needville TX. Drop by some weekend if you get a chance, I'm also building a hangar/apt. there. Jim finished his GN-1 several years ago. Regards, John Franklin -----Original Message----- >From: Mike King >Sent: Jan 19, 2010 8:11 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in South Texas > > >Hello everyone. It has been a few years since I moved from the Dallas, >Texas area to South Texas......Corpus Christi. I finally got the GN-1 >to its new home to nearby Ingleside. > >This past Sunday I saw and later met the owner of a true Piet based in >Rockport. He and I would like to see who else in the South Texas area >has a Piet/GN-1. > >Thanks in advance. > >Mike King >GN-1 >77MK >Corpus Christi >mikek120@mindspring.com >(361) 946-0685 > > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:03 PM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lexan Windshield Cracks Hey Kevin, I've heard that you can use rubber grommets with washers to keep the lexan from cracking. Let me know what hole size and I might be able to scrounge some up for you. I'll be at my hangar this Saturday, stop by 4TAO again if you get a chance! Regards, John F. -----Original Message----- >From: kevinpurtee >Sent: Jan 19, 2010 3:18 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lexan Windshield Cracks > > >My windshields are beginning to crack at the center attach points. I've stop drilled them but they cracks are still propogating. Any advice? > >Thanks in advance, >Kevin Purtee >NX899KP > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282303#282303 > > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:11 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear Jack, Where did you get those images? Thanks, Jeff >This is what I have Dick. >Jack >DSM > > >Attachment converted: HD:Strut 3.pdf (PDF /IC) (0167C8E8) >Attachment converted: HD:Spring Gear 1.jpg (JPEG/IC) (0167C8E9) >Attachment converted: HD:strut 2.jpg (JPEG/IC) (0167C8EA) -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:13 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Selling my Pietenpol Project Well, this is a decision I've dreaded.... I'm selling my project. VERY close to "ready to cover" and the Model A engine runs great. Fact is, Julia and I are having to make some sacrifices during these tough economic times and the Piet (along with several other things we cherish) must go. I put it on barnstormers and may also try eBay. This list and my friends here are very important to me and I don't like getting so off topic, so I won't take up any more time here for this subject. JM ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:42 PM PST US From: "Mike King" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in South Texas John, Thanks for the update. Where is Needville? We are located on the Gulf of Mexico, but can head inland and meet you guys. Good luck on the GN-1 project. How far along are you? I'll send pics of mine if you like. Take care. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Franklin To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in South Texas Hi Mike, Jim Sury and I are building a GN-1 at Massamiliano airfield, 4TAO, near Needville TX. Drop by some weekend if you get a chance, I'm also building a hangar/apt. there. Jim finished his GN-1 several years ago. Regards, John Franklin -----Original Message----- >From: Mike King >Sent: Jan 19, 2010 8:11 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in South Texas > > >Hello everyone. It has been a few years since I moved from the Dallas, >Texas area to South Texas......Corpus Christi. I finally got the GN-1 >to its new home to nearby Ingleside. > >This past Sunday I saw and later met the owner of a true Piet based in >Rockport. He and I would like to see who else in the South Texas area >has a Piet/GN-1. > >Thanks in advance. > >Mike King >GN-1 >77MK >Corpus Christi >mikek120@mindspring.com >(361) 946-0685 > > > > > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Selling my Pietenpol Project From: gboothe5@comcast.net Jim, So sorry to hear...please stay on the list! Gary ------Original Message------ From: Jim Markle Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Selling my Pietenpol Project Sent: Jan 19, 2010 8:12 PM Well, this is a decision I've dreaded.... I'm selling my project. VERY close to "ready to cover" and the Model A engine runs great. Fact is, Julia and I are having to make some sacrifices during these tough economic times and the Piet (along with several other things we cherish) must go. I put it on barnstormers and may also try eBay. This list and my friends here are very important to me and I don't like getting so off topic, so I won't take up any more time here for this subject. JM Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:40 PM PST US From: "Mike King" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in South Texas Oscar, You are exactly right. It is Ron Hollmer whom I met last Sunday and his airplane is BEAUTIFUL. With our traditional coastal winds, he handled the Piet with ease on take off and landing. He does have a Ford engine and homemade wooden prop. The paint scheme is eye catching. The spoke motorcycle tires and straight axle gear just add to the ambiance. Please come down and let's have a Coastal Bend fly-in. Three Piets flying along the Gulf Coast beachline would be a treat. Fishing would be an added bonus. Thanks Oscar..... Mike GN-1 77MK ----- Original Message ----- From: taildrags To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in South Texas Although I am normally in South Texas, at the moment I'm sitting in Medford, Oregon pondering the 30+ MPH winds that are howling through the Rogue Valley. We lived here for nearly 10 years and are poised to being moving back here but our doggone house in San Antonio won't sell. Anyway, the Piet in Rockport/Aransas Pass that you're referring to is more than likely the beautiful Ford "A"-powered Piet that belongs to Ron and Pat Hollmer. I have only seen pictures of it but it's a very nice airplane. I've planned to fly down there and get together with Ron ever since he moved down there, not just to see him and the airplane but because our youngest son is a boat captain and fishing guide in nearby Port Aransas and I've been promising him an air tour of the area in my Piet. Maybe we can pull it together this spring?? -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282313#282313 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:46 PM PST US From: "Mike King" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in South Texas Kevin, We can meet in the middle somewhere. It would be just great to meet and look over the planes and compare notes. Maybe one day, we can have a Texas Piet fly-in, fun and fellowship.....and of course good old Texas Bar-B-Que. Thanks Kevin for the note. Mike GN-1 77MK ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinpurtee To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in South Texas Mike - Houston/Austin is not south, but I'm looking for cross country opportunities. I'm out of town now, but I'll get with you off-line when I'm back at my home computer. Hans is in Waller. He may be up for something, too. Maybe meet in the middle. Kevin Purtee NX899KP 512-422-6371 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282301#282301 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:14 PM PST US From: amsafetyc@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Selling my Pietenpol Project what's the punch line? In a message dated 1/19/2010 11:14:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle Well, this is a decision I've dreaded.... I'm selling my project. VERY close to "ready to cover" and the Model A engine runs great. Fact is, Julia and I are having to make some sacrifices during these tough economic times and the Piet (along with several other things we cherish) must go. I put it on barnstormers and may also try eBay. This list and my friends here are very important to me and I don't like getting so off topic, so I won't take up any more time here for this subject. JM ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear From: "taildrags" I don't have my latest edition of the BPA Newsletter (the one put out by Doc and Dee Mosher) but there is a revised detail of the spring struts in it. I think one or two of the tube sizes changed to allow them to slide inside one another or something. 41CC flies with this type of spring strut and it works great. Speaking of the Newsletter, if you don't already subscribe, you should do so. It is a nice complement to the Matronics e-list in that Doc includes some good correspondence and news from Piet owners and builders who are not on the Matronics list or who don't do computers and webpages. Also good info on Piet-related events, classified ads, tips and tricks, and some down-home stuff from builders and pilots. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282400#282400 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Lies From: "taildrags" Kevin; I guess I need to check the ASI on 41CC especially since my friend Mark Langford did it the "water manometer with plastic tubing and a ruler" way and showed how simple it is to calibrate your ASI. Details are on his website at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/airspeed_calibration/ However, 41CC seems to perform pretty much as others have described in cruise, flare, landing, dive, and everything else and I'd be happy knowing my instrument is within 10% of actual. And I hear what you're saying about headwinds. When my friend Charlie ferried 41CC from Shreveport to south Texas, he was flying into our typical southeast prevailing breeze here and he sure got tired of sitting in that seat watching vehicle traffic passing on Interstate 35 down below. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282401#282401 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:56 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Selling my Pietenpol Project Very sorry to hear this Jim.I was looking forward to seeing you fly yours. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jim Markle =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0AS ent: Tue, January 19, 2010 11:12:16 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Selling m jim_markle@mindspring.com>=0A=0AWell, this is a decision I've dreaded.... =0A=0AI'm selling my project.- VERY close to "ready to cover" and the Mod el A engine runs great.=0A=0AFact is, Julia and I are having to make some s acrifices during these tough economic times and the Piet (along with severa l other things we cherish) must go.=0A=0AI put it on barnstormers and may a lso try eBay.=0A=0AThis list and my friends here are very important to me a nd I don't like getting so off topic, so I won't take up any more time here =========================0A == ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:46 PM PST US From: "Javier Cruz" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Selling my Pietenpol Project Sorry to hear that bad news Jim but there prioritys on the life still stay here with your friends.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.