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1. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress **U (Dan Yocum)
2. 07:04 AM - markel fund (tgstone236@aol.com)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: markel fund (Ryan Mueller)
4. 09:13 AM - Re: markel fund (Ozarkflyer)
5. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: markel fund (Ryan Mueller)
6. 12:47 PM - Control Assembly (Jack)
7. 01:33 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Michael Perez)
8. 01:34 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Gary Boothe)
9. 03:34 PM - Re: markel fund (bamabuilder)
10. 03:48 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Jack)
11. 03:48 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Gene Rambo)
12. 04:03 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Rick Holland)
13. 04:04 PM - Re: markel fund (Michael McGowan)
14. 04:51 PM - Re: Control Assembly (helspersew@aol.com)
15. 05:34 PM - Control Assembly (Oscar Zuniga)
16. 06:02 PM - Re: Control Assembly (H RULE)
17. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: markel fund (Ryan Mueller)
18. 07:50 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Jack Phillips)
19. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress **U (Ryan Mueller)
20. 08:01 PM - Re: Control Assembly (K5YAC)
21. 09:51 PM - Thank you (Jim Markle)
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Subject: | Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) |
progress **U
Ryan,
I will be opting for delivery method #3: since I'm downtown for some
training Mon-Wed I'll be hand delivering the check to you over lunch one
of those days.
See you soon,
Dan
On 01/23/2010 05:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
> eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into
> their pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order
> via mail.
>
> If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know
> and, uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have
> "people" who provide "protection."
>
> Dan
>
> On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
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>> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
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>> Glad this worked out for Jim.
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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I am not interested in sending by PayPal.
GIVE ME A NAME TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO AND AN ADDRESS AND THE CHECK WILL
BE IN
THE US MAIL
TED STONE
BUILDING A CORVAIR POWERED PIET
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Ted,
Check your inbox for an email from *"marklepietenpolfund@gmail.com"*, sent
yesterday around *4:21PM CST*, entitled: *"How to send your contributions to
Markle Mania 2010 (aka The Markle Pietenpol Fund)"*.
That is the email I sent to all contributors, and there are instructions for
sending checks in the section: "*Pay via mail (US Postal Service)"*. I
doublechecked, and it did get sent to you and never bounced back to me, so
you should have it in your inbox. If not, let me know and I will resend.
Thanks,
Ryan
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM, <tgstone236@aol.com> wrote:
> I am not interested in sending by PayPal.
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> GIVE ME A NAME TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO AND AN ADDRESS AND THE CHECK WILL
> BE IN
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> THE US MAIL
>
> TED STONE
>
> BUILDING A CORVAIR POWERED PIET
>
>
> *
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> *
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Ryan
I did not receive a message from you regarding the mechanism for sending in my
pledge. Perhaps the message I sent did not get to you. Please send a message
to lragan@hotmail.com, with instructions, and I will mail my check.
Thanks
Larry Ragan
Read this topic online here:
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On the way, thank you!
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Ozarkflyer <lragan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Ryan
>
> I did not receive a message from you regarding the mechanism for sending in
> my pledge. Perhaps the message I sent did not get to you. Please send a
> message to lragan@hotmail.com, with instructions, and I will mail my
> check.
>
> Thanks
>
> Larry Ragan
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> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Control Assembly |
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing
them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close
to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
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Subject: | Re: Control Assembly |
Come on Jack, anyone can build to the plans...where's the fun in THAT!?
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Seriously though, if you have a-method you are happy with for putting in
the seat "frame", go ahead and install it. But leave off any plywood sheeti
ng, (seat bottom front) -and the seat bottom/back until you have the cont
rols figured out and fitted. I am also making/fitting my controls and have
the seat just framed in. There is no bottom yet and no plywood on the sides
of the fuselage as well.
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Subject: | Control Assembly |
Jack,
My advice is to NOT glue the seats in, yet. You still need to figure out
seat belt attachments, plus who-knows-what. While at Brodhead last year, I
saw some nifty storage ideas under that piece of plywood! In fact, I think
there are those who might advise just screwing the seat bottoms down for
annual inspections, etc.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing
them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close
to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
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I didn't receive an e-mail either. Check will be in the mail as soon as I get the
info. gdnrguy04@hotmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283277#283277
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Subject: | Control Assembly |
Good thoughts, thanks to all. Every day I find out how important it is to
"read" ahead in the plans. There is a reason they are as drawn. Mr.
Pietenpol built so many ships he figured out "the right way" to do most
everything. A really fun stage with the fuselage, which I'm sure, will get
more challenging as I go forward.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing
them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close
to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
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Subject: | Re: Control Assembly |
Well, you CAN still put the controls in even with the seats installed.
As some others have suggested, you could leave the seat bottom plywood
off until they are situated. Like you, I tried to follow the plans so
locating the controls should not be a problem. Even though trying to
follow the plans faithfully, I did add some structure to the seat
bottoms because I think the plans were intentionally vague, rather than
they left anything out. Everyone adds different things, if you are
interested I could send photos of the changes I made. I tried to make
the fewest changes and add the most support.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack<mailto:jack@textors.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed
gluing them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage
on the fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking
pretty close to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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Subject: | Re: Control Assembly |
Would highly recommend never gluing the front or back seat bottom plywood.
I
added flanges to the bottom rear of each (to hold the back of each seat
bottom down) and screws on the front (see attached).
Rick
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I=92m presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed glui
ng
> them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
> fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I=92m sticking pretty
close
> to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
>
> Jack
>
> *
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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I did not get the email either. I even checked my spam box
Mike McGowan shadetree@socket.net Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: markel fund
Ted,
Check your inbox for an email from "marklepietenpolfund@gmail.com",
sent yesterday around 4:21PM CST, entitled: "How to send your
contributions to Markle Mania 2010 (aka The Markle Pietenpol Fund)".
That is the email I sent to all contributors, and there are
instructions for sending checks in the section: "Pay via mail (US Postal
Service)". I doublechecked, and it did get sent to you and never bounced
back to me, so you should have it in your inbox. If not, let me know and
I will resend. Thanks,
Ryan
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM, <tgstone236@aol.com> wrote:
I am not interested in sending by PayPal.
GIVE ME A NAME TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO AND AN ADDRESS AND THE CHECK
WILL BE IN
THE US MAIL
TED STONE
BUILDING A CORVAIR POWERED PIET
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Control Assembly |
Hi Jack,
The seats are not a structural member, thus they never have to be glued.
I saw some examples of wicker seating at Brodhead one year, so I research
ed and taught myself how to weave wicker. I then made a perimeter frame of
1/2" thick ash seats. Then wove wicker seat bottoms. Very happy with the
results and I believe very unique. Photos attatched.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Control Assembly |
I would recommend permanently installing all
the seat framing members (sticks) as you build
the fuselage. They will help keep everything
square and rigid. For the plywood seats and
backs, I can only suggest what to do based on
my own experience rebuilding the seats and
framing on 41CC after the nose-over, when I
found various things in need of repair.
The front seat back needs to be permanently
fitted and glued in place during construction,
although once it's permanently fastened you
have to alternate between cockpits when you're
fitting controls, instruments, everything. It's
just that the front seat back is an important
structural element. The seat bottom actually
has two plywood parts of interest... the front
part of the bottom (trapezoidal shape with a
cutout for the control tubing) and the seat
part that the passenger sits on. The trapezoidal
piece needs to be permanently installed before
the controls are fitted into place unless you
plan to make it in two pieces and fit them around
the tubing, which I don't recommend because the
trapezoidal piece is also a fairly important
diaphragm that helps support the passenger's weight.
The seat bottom can be left off indefinitely or
you can do what I did and cut two holes in it
to allow access to the control tubing and rudder
bar underneath. See pix at the bottom,here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html
After the front seat was permanently installed, I
made a separate piece of plywood with the upholstery
on it. That piece is held in place with velcro and
can be removed for inspection of the rudder bar and
controls beneath by viewing through the holes in
the permanent part.
In the pilot's cockpit, once the seat back goes
in, access is very limited but 41CC has a
hinged cutout that pivots forward, allowing access
back there. Obviously, the hinged part can be
left off until final assembly and there will be
access to the area behind the seat until then.
The seat bottom on 41CC is actually two pieces of
plywood; one fixed, one removable. The piece that
is fixed has large openings cut in it between the
seat framing members so that there is hand access
down into the area under the seat. Like the front,
the piece that is removable is the piece that is
upholstered.
I think it is very important to be able to sit in
the fuselage as soon as the framing allows you to
put in at least a temporary seat. Sitting in the
fuselage allows you to fit all of the controls,
instruments, windscreens, seatbelts, and everything
else to suit you properly. Not only that, it gives
you the proper perspective out of the cockpit so
you can begin to visualize the attitude and config
uration of the airplane on the ground. It also
offers the greatest psychological boost of almost
any other phase of completion that early in the
project, and will motivate you beyond belief.
Put the seats in as soon as you can.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Control Assembly |
Shades of the Spirit of St. Louis=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____=0AFrom: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-lis
t@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, January 24, 2010 7:16:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pie
tenpol-List: Control Assembly=0A=0AHi Jack,=0A=0AThe seats are not a struct
ural member, thus they never have to be glued. I saw some examples of wicke
r seating at Brodhead one year, so I researched and-taught myself how to
weave wicker. I then made a perimeter frame of 1/2" thick ash seats. Then w
ove wicker seat bottoms. Very happy with the results and I believe very uni
que. Photos attatched.=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove, IL.
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Just a heads up: the email was sent to those that emailed contribution
pledges to "marklepietenpolfund@gmail.com".....I checked my emails there,
and I searched through the list emails as well and I don't recall seeing any
communication from either the 'otelco.net' address you posted from or the '
hotmail.com' address you gave in your message regarding pledges. No
biggie...I will shoot you an email from the 'official' Markle Mania address
shortly. Thank you!
Ryan
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:33 PM, bamabuilder <willie99@otelco.net> wrote:
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> I didn't receive an e-mail either. Check will be in the mail as soon as I
> get the info. gdnrguy04@hotmail.com
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283277#283277
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Subject: | Control Assembly |
I never glued my seats in. I have them attached with wood screws and have
had them out several times sunce I got it flying - at least 3 times for the
front seat (to service the brake cylinders) and once for the rear seat.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
Jack,
My advice is to NOT glue the seats in, yet. You still need to figure out
seat belt attachments, plus who-knows-what. While at Brodhead last year, I
saw some nifty storage ideas under that piece of plywood! In fact, I think
there are those who might advise just screwing the seat bottoms down for
annual inspections, etc.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing
them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close
to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) |
progress **U
Sounds good Dan!
Ryan
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> I will be opting for delivery method #3: since I'm downtown for some
> training Mon-Wed I'll be hand delivering the check to you over lunch one of
> those days.
>
> See you soon,
> Dan
>
>
> On 01/23/2010 05:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>> I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
>> eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into
>> their pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order
>> via mail.
>>
>> If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know
>> and, uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have
>> "people" who provide "protection."
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
>>>
>>> Glad this worked out for Jim.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Control Assembly |
I can't wait to start framing up the fuse. Hopefully this summer.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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To all my friends on this list....
This week has been amazing beyond words.
I have said for years that just getting to hang out with the Pietenpol community
is always a proud and humbling experience for me. And seeing how passionately
we care about projects staying where they are and then flying some day, well
that reaction didn't surprise me a bit. I can tell you the names of every builder
that has had to "pass on" a project since 2002 when I started mine. Most
of those were never finished. I always hate reading those announcements.
But how quickly THIS all went from "this project needs to stay where it is" to
"here's what we're gonna do to make sure it stays there" then barely two days
later "everyone has pitched in (PLUS EXTRA!) so now you need to put a "sold" sign
on it and leave it where it is"...well, that has been overwhelming. Unbelievable.
Really though this has been about something far grander than keeping a Pietenpol
project in someones workshop. This has really been about good people.
So I am once again proud and humbled by the people that "I want to be like when
I grow up".
I wish my dad was still around. I would have loved to have introduced him to all
of you....life beat him down a few times and he was a bit cynical about the
good in people. This would have changed his life.
It has changed mine.
Thank you.
Jim Markle
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