---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/24/10: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress **U (Dan Yocum) 2. 07:04 AM - markel fund (tgstone236@aol.com) 3. 08:44 AM - Re: markel fund (Ryan Mueller) 4. 09:13 AM - Re: markel fund (Ozarkflyer) 5. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: markel fund (Ryan Mueller) 6. 12:47 PM - Control Assembly (Jack) 7. 01:33 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Michael Perez) 8. 01:34 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Gary Boothe) 9. 03:34 PM - Re: markel fund (bamabuilder) 10. 03:48 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Jack) 11. 03:48 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Gene Rambo) 12. 04:03 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Rick Holland) 13. 04:04 PM - Re: markel fund (Michael McGowan) 14. 04:51 PM - Re: Control Assembly (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 05:34 PM - Control Assembly (Oscar Zuniga) 16. 06:02 PM - Re: Control Assembly (H RULE) 17. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: markel fund (Ryan Mueller) 18. 07:50 PM - Re: Control Assembly (Jack Phillips) 19. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress **U (Ryan Mueller) 20. 08:01 PM - Re: Control Assembly (K5YAC) 21. 09:51 PM - Thank you (Jim Markle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:55 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress **U Ryan, I will be opting for delivery method #3: since I'm downtown for some training Mon-Wed I'll be hand delivering the check to you over lunch one of those days. See you soon, Dan On 01/23/2010 05:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be > eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into > their pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order > via mail. > > If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know > and, uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have > "people" who provide "protection." > > Dan > > On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote: >> >> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy. >> >> Glad this worked out for Jim. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:52 AM PST US From: tgstone236@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: markel fund I am not interested in sending by PayPal. GIVE ME A NAME TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO AND AN ADDRESS AND THE CHECK WILL BE IN THE US MAIL TED STONE BUILDING A CORVAIR POWERED PIET ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: markel fund From: Ryan Mueller Ted, Check your inbox for an email from *"marklepietenpolfund@gmail.com"*, sent yesterday around *4:21PM CST*, entitled: *"How to send your contributions to Markle Mania 2010 (aka The Markle Pietenpol Fund)"*. That is the email I sent to all contributors, and there are instructions for sending checks in the section: "*Pay via mail (US Postal Service)"*. I doublechecked, and it did get sent to you and never bounced back to me, so you should have it in your inbox. If not, let me know and I will resend. Thanks, Ryan On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM, wrote: > I am not interested in sending by PayPal. > > GIVE ME A NAME TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO AND AN ADDRESS AND THE CHECK WILL > BE IN > > THE US MAIL > > TED STONE > > BUILDING A CORVAIR POWERED PIET > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: markel fund From: "Ozarkflyer" Ryan I did not receive a message from you regarding the mechanism for sending in my pledge. Perhaps the message I sent did not get to you. Please send a message to lragan@hotmail.com, with instructions, and I will mail my check. Thanks Larry Ragan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283232#283232 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: markel fund From: Ryan Mueller On the way, thank you! do not archive On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote: > > Ryan > > I did not receive a message from you regarding the mechanism for sending in > my pledge. Perhaps the message I sent did not get to you. Please send a > message to lragan@hotmail.com, with instructions, and I will mail my > check. > > Thanks > > Larry Ragan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283232#283232 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:16 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly All, I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out. Thanks for your thoughts! Jack ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:32 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly Come on Jack, anyone can build to the plans...where's the fun in THAT!? - Seriously though, if you have a-method you are happy with for putting in the seat "frame", go ahead and install it. But leave off any plywood sheeti ng, (seat bottom front) -and the seat bottom/back until you have the cont rols figured out and fitted. I am also making/fitting my controls and have the seat just framed in. There is no bottom yet and no plywood on the sides of the fuselage as well. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:03 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly Jack, My advice is to NOT glue the seats in, yet. You still need to figure out seat belt attachments, plus who-knows-what. While at Brodhead last year, I saw some nifty storage ideas under that piece of plywood! In fact, I think there are those who might advise just screwing the seat bottoms down for annual inspections, etc. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly All, I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out. Thanks for your thoughts! Jack ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: markel fund From: "bamabuilder" I didn't receive an e-mail either. Check will be in the mail as soon as I get the info. gdnrguy04@hotmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283277#283277 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:03 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly Good thoughts, thanks to all. Every day I find out how important it is to "read" ahead in the plans. There is a reason they are as drawn. Mr. Pietenpol built so many ships he figured out "the right way" to do most everything. A really fun stage with the fuselage, which I'm sure, will get more challenging as I go forward. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly All, I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out. Thanks for your thoughts! Jack ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:03 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly Well, you CAN still put the controls in even with the seats installed. As some others have suggested, you could leave the seat bottom plywood off until they are situated. Like you, I tried to follow the plans so locating the controls should not be a problem. Even though trying to follow the plans faithfully, I did add some structure to the seat bottoms because I think the plans were intentionally vague, rather than they left anything out. Everyone adds different things, if you are interested I could send photos of the changes I made. I tried to make the fewest changes and add the most support. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly All, I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out. Thanks for your thoughts! Jack http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly From: Rick Holland Would highly recommend never gluing the front or back seat bottom plywood. I added flanges to the bottom rear of each (to hold the back of each seat bottom down) and screws on the front (see attached). Rick On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jack wrote: > All, > > I=92m presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed glui ng > them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the > fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I=92m sticking pretty close > to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out. > > Thanks for your thoughts! > > Jack > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:07 PM PST US From: "Michael McGowan" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: markel fund I did not get the email either. I even checked my spam box Mike McGowan shadetree@socket.net Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: markel fund Ted, Check your inbox for an email from "marklepietenpolfund@gmail.com", sent yesterday around 4:21PM CST, entitled: "How to send your contributions to Markle Mania 2010 (aka The Markle Pietenpol Fund)". That is the email I sent to all contributors, and there are instructions for sending checks in the section: "Pay via mail (US Postal Service)". I doublechecked, and it did get sent to you and never bounced back to me, so you should have it in your inbox. If not, let me know and I will resend. Thanks, Ryan On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM, wrote: I am not interested in sending by PayPal. GIVE ME A NAME TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO AND AN ADDRESS AND THE CHECK WILL BE IN THE US MAIL TED STONE BUILDING A CORVAIR POWERED PIET " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Jack, The seats are not a structural member, thus they never have to be glued. I saw some examples of wicker seating at Brodhead one year, so I research ed and taught myself how to weave wicker. I then made a perimeter frame of 1/2" thick ash seats. Then wove wicker seat bottoms. Very happy with the results and I believe very unique. Photos attatched. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:13 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly I would recommend permanently installing all the seat framing members (sticks) as you build the fuselage. They will help keep everything square and rigid. For the plywood seats and backs, I can only suggest what to do based on my own experience rebuilding the seats and framing on 41CC after the nose-over, when I found various things in need of repair. The front seat back needs to be permanently fitted and glued in place during construction, although once it's permanently fastened you have to alternate between cockpits when you're fitting controls, instruments, everything. It's just that the front seat back is an important structural element. The seat bottom actually has two plywood parts of interest... the front part of the bottom (trapezoidal shape with a cutout for the control tubing) and the seat part that the passenger sits on. The trapezoidal piece needs to be permanently installed before the controls are fitted into place unless you plan to make it in two pieces and fit them around the tubing, which I don't recommend because the trapezoidal piece is also a fairly important diaphragm that helps support the passenger's weight. The seat bottom can be left off indefinitely or you can do what I did and cut two holes in it to allow access to the control tubing and rudder bar underneath. See pix at the bottom,here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html After the front seat was permanently installed, I made a separate piece of plywood with the upholstery on it. That piece is held in place with velcro and can be removed for inspection of the rudder bar and controls beneath by viewing through the holes in the permanent part. In the pilot's cockpit, once the seat back goes in, access is very limited but 41CC has a hinged cutout that pivots forward, allowing access back there. Obviously, the hinged part can be left off until final assembly and there will be access to the area behind the seat until then. The seat bottom on 41CC is actually two pieces of plywood; one fixed, one removable. The piece that is fixed has large openings cut in it between the seat framing members so that there is hand access down into the area under the seat. Like the front, the piece that is removable is the piece that is upholstered. I think it is very important to be able to sit in the fuselage as soon as the framing allows you to put in at least a temporary seat. Sitting in the fuselage allows you to fit all of the controls, instruments, windscreens, seatbelts, and everything else to suit you properly. Not only that, it gives you the proper perspective out of the cockpit so you can begin to visualize the attitude and config uration of the airplane on the ground. It also offers the greatest psychological boost of almost any other phase of completion that early in the project, and will motivate you beyond belief. Put the seats in as soon as you can. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:06 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly Shades of the Spirit of St. Louis=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0AFrom: "helspersew@aol.com" =0ATo: pietenpol-lis t@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, January 24, 2010 7:16:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pie tenpol-List: Control Assembly=0A=0AHi Jack,=0A=0AThe seats are not a struct ural member, thus they never have to be glued. I saw some examples of wicke r seating at Brodhead one year, so I researched and-taught myself how to weave wicker. I then made a perimeter frame of 1/2" thick ash seats. Then w ove wicker seat bottoms. Very happy with the results and I believe very uni que. Photos attatched.=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: markel fund From: Ryan Mueller Just a heads up: the email was sent to those that emailed contribution pledges to "marklepietenpolfund@gmail.com".....I checked my emails there, and I searched through the list emails as well and I don't recall seeing any communication from either the 'otelco.net' address you posted from or the ' hotmail.com' address you gave in your message regarding pledges. No biggie...I will shoot you an email from the 'official' Markle Mania address shortly. Thank you! Ryan do not archive On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:33 PM, bamabuilder wrote: > > I didn't receive an e-mail either. Check will be in the mail as soon as I > get the info. gdnrguy04@hotmail.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283277#283277 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:13 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly I never glued my seats in. I have them attached with wood screws and have had them out several times sunce I got it flying - at least 3 times for the front seat (to service the brake cylinders) and once for the rear seat. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly Jack, My advice is to NOT glue the seats in, yet. You still need to figure out seat belt attachments, plus who-knows-what. While at Brodhead last year, I saw some nifty storage ideas under that piece of plywood! In fact, I think there are those who might advise just screwing the seat bottoms down for annual inspections, etc. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly All, I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out. Thanks for your thoughts! Jack http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress **U From: Ryan Mueller Sounds good Dan! Ryan do not archive On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Ryan, > > I will be opting for delivery method #3: since I'm downtown for some > training Mon-Wed I'll be hand delivering the check to you over lunch one of > those days. > > See you soon, > Dan > > > On 01/23/2010 05:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > >> I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be >> eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into >> their pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order >> via mail. >> >> If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know >> and, uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have >> "people" who provide "protection." >> >> Dan >> >> On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote: >> >>> >>> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy. >>> >>> Glad this worked out for Jim. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control Assembly From: "K5YAC" I can't wait to start framing up the fuse. Hopefully this summer. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283320#283320 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:20 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thank you To all my friends on this list.... This week has been amazing beyond words. I have said for years that just getting to hang out with the Pietenpol community is always a proud and humbling experience for me. And seeing how passionately we care about projects staying where they are and then flying some day, well that reaction didn't surprise me a bit. I can tell you the names of every builder that has had to "pass on" a project since 2002 when I started mine. Most of those were never finished. I always hate reading those announcements. But how quickly THIS all went from "this project needs to stay where it is" to "here's what we're gonna do to make sure it stays there" then barely two days later "everyone has pitched in (PLUS EXTRA!) so now you need to put a "sold" sign on it and leave it where it is"...well, that has been overwhelming. Unbelievable. Really though this has been about something far grander than keeping a Pietenpol project in someones workshop. This has really been about good people. So I am once again proud and humbled by the people that "I want to be like when I grow up". I wish my dad was still around. I would have loved to have introduced him to all of you....life beat him down a few times and he was a bit cynical about the good in people. This would have changed his life. It has changed mine. Thank you. 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