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1. 06:10 AM - Re: motorcycle links (Gary Boothe)
2. 08:34 AM - Re: motorcycle links (David Paule)
3. 10:28 AM - what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 10:57 AM - Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" (Dan Yocum)
5. 12:05 PM - compass correction card (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 12:56 PM - Re: Brodhead '10 (kevinpurtee)
7. 01:11 PM - tip for when your inspector comes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
8. 01:35 PM - Re: tip for when your inspector comes (Jim Markle)
9. 02:02 PM - compass correction card (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 02:06 PM - tip for when your inspector comes (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 03:47 PM - Re: tip for when your inspector comes (Pieti Lowell)
12. 04:39 PM - Re: Brodhead '10 (shad bell)
13. 04:59 PM - Re: Brodhead '10 (Jack Phillips)
14. 06:23 PM - Re: tip for when your inspector comes (Tim Willis)
15. 06:29 PM - Re: tip for when your inspector comes (Don Emch)
16. 06:32 PM - Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" (Jack Phillips)
17. 06:51 PM - Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" (Dan Yocum)
18. 07:18 PM - Re: motorcycle links (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | motorcycle links |
Clif,
Beautiful work on the tank!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle links
I don't have links on my control horns. I have turnbuckles with a fork end pinned
directly to the horn. I do, however, have links joining the tail cable brace
wires. I used clevis pins instead of bolts. Since you're not pulling the assembly
up tight, as in bolting a prop to a hub, there's no need for a nut. This
makes the tail a teeny bit lighter as well.
I threw in a couple of my just completed fuel system pics just for the heck of
it.
Clif
> Guys, I know this should be simple, but...
> Here are the questions:
>
> a) if you are using 3/16" pins across the through holes, are you
> using a sleeve over the pin, to keep the two chain link sides from flopping about?
> And if so, what is it, fuel line tubing or some such?
>
>
> Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: motorcycle links |
Nice tank work!
But that valve control rod - that's not the way you're going to leave it, is
it?
David Paule
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| Subject: | what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" |
I'm preparing for my final inspection!!!
My inspector sent me a ck list of things to have ready.
What is a "flight manual" and what is an "equipment list"?
Also, anybody have a step by step weight and balance guide to walk me through that?
Thanks!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" |
Douwe,
On 01/26/2010 12:28 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Douwe Blumberg<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm preparing for my final inspection!!!
>
Congrats!
> My inspector sent me a ck list of things to have ready.
>
> What is a "flight manual" and what is an "equipment list"?
I (and others here) use a modified version of the following as our
Pilots Operating Handbook (aka flight manual):
http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html
Wikipedia has some info regarding a "minimum equipment list':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_equipment_list
I'm not sure if this is what he's looking for. Other builders will know
that...
>
> Also, anybody have a step by step weight and balance guide to walk me through
that?
See the attached image of the W&B sheet for N8031. You should be able
to fill out the data for your plane using this as a guide.
We want to see video of the second flight!
Cheers,
Dan
>
> Thanks!
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | compass correction card |
My inspector is coming to inspect NX799B in my workshop. I won't be able to swing
the compass until I get it outside at the airport, hence I can't fill out
my compass correction card yet. However, I think it should be filled out for
the inspection so... Can someone send me the numbers from their card so I can
use them for the inspection until I can get mine dialed in? Anywhere in the
midwest will do.
Thanks!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead '10 |
Dan - My guy gave me a simple 50 mile radius around my home airport which included
Houston Intercontinental & Houston Hobby. I think it was understood that
I wasn't allowed to go to those two places, though :)
Kevin Purtee
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283543#283543
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| Subject: | tip for when your inspector comes |
Douwe,
Just a few tips. Stop by your local home bakery (not grocery store Danish
or pastry-- the good stuff) or donut store and buy some fresh ones for your
inspector. Have a pot of coffee brewed and bottled water available.
Have a desk area available with a chair so your inspector can spread out
your weight and balance papers, his computer or papers and so he can sign
off all of your documents--your Aircraft Log Book, your airworthiness certificate,
and your operational limitations. Have everything all set up before the guy
comes. (or gal)
Inspectors will want to see all of your inspection covers open-- your cowling OFF
and be ready to run the engine for them. Not all require it---mine told me ahead
of time that he'd want the cowling off and an engine run demonstrated.
If you've flown the airplane (not that anyone has ever done that......ahem....)
make
sure you wipe all telltale bug guts off your prop and engine frontal area...not
that
anyone on the list would have ever done anything like that..but just in case:)
Little nit picks like a compass correction card shouldn't be an issue even if you
don't
have it filled out. You may get some things like red lines for your gauges...where
are
they ? Green arc for your airspeed, stuff like that. My guy gave me two or three
little things to modify or fix and then enjoyed a donut and coffee while filling
out
my paperwork.
I had a folder with all of my invoices from ASC, Wicks, Dillsburg, and elsewhere
like
Home Depot for my Minwax spar varnish, NAPA for the gallons of MEK I went thru..and
a few posterboards with construction still photos glued to them for a nice chronological
overview.
That is my advice--your mileage may vary depending on your inspector. Some will
obsess over
things that others don't even mention. My plane had no ELT and the inspector
never mentioned
it. (still dont have one--the smoke will tell everyone where I landed)
Best wishes-- you have ridden the horse around the LONG route to FINISH !!! Not
many builders
stick with it this long. Congratulations man !
Mike C.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
>Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:05 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: compass correction card
>
><douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
>My inspector is coming to inspect NX799B in my workshop. I won't be
>able to swing the compass until I get it outside at the airport, hence I
>can't fill out my compass correction card yet. However, I think it
>should be filled out for the inspection so... Can someone send me the
>numbers from their card so I can use them for the inspection until I can
>get mine dialed in? Anywhere in the midwest will do.
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>Douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tip for when your inspector comes |
Ooooh, this is good stuff. Goes in my archive!
Thanks Mike.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Jan 26, 2010 4:11 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: tip for when your inspector comes
>
>
>Douwe,
>
>Just a few tips. Stop by your local home bakery (not grocery store Danish
>or pastry-- the good stuff) or donut store and buy some fresh ones for your
>inspector. Have a pot of coffee brewed and bottled water available.
>
>Have a desk area available with a chair so your inspector can spread out
>your weight and balance papers, his computer or papers and so he can sign
>off all of your documents--your Aircraft Log Book, your airworthiness certificate,
>and your operational limitations. Have everything all set up before the guy
>comes. (or gal)
>
>Inspectors will want to see all of your inspection covers open-- your cowling
OFF
>and be ready to run the engine for them. Not all require it---mine told me ahead
>of time that he'd want the cowling off and an engine run demonstrated.
>
>If you've flown the airplane (not that anyone has ever done that......ahem....)
make
>sure you wipe all telltale bug guts off your prop and engine frontal area...not
that
>anyone on the list would have ever done anything like that..but just in case:)
>
>Little nit picks like a compass correction card shouldn't be an issue even if
you don't
>have it filled out. You may get some things like red lines for your gauges...where
are
>they ? Green arc for your airspeed, stuff like that. My guy gave me two or
three
>little things to modify or fix and then enjoyed a donut and coffee while filling
out
>my paperwork.
>
>I had a folder with all of my invoices from ASC, Wicks, Dillsburg, and elsewhere
like
>Home Depot for my Minwax spar varnish, NAPA for the gallons of MEK I went thru..and
>a few posterboards with construction still photos glued to them for a nice chronological
>overview.
>
>That is my advice--your mileage may vary depending on your inspector. Some will
obsess over
>things that others don't even mention. My plane had no ELT and the inspector
never mentioned
>it. (still dont have one--the smoke will tell everyone where I landed)
>
>Best wishes-- you have ridden the horse around the LONG route to FINISH !!!
Not many builders
>stick with it this long. Congratulations man !
>
>Mike C.
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:05 PM
>>To: pietenpolgroup
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: compass correction card
>>
>><douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>
>>My inspector is coming to inspect NX799B in my workshop. I won't be
>>able to swing the compass until I get it outside at the airport, hence I
>>can't fill out my compass correction card yet. However, I think it
>>should be filled out for the inspection so... Can someone send me the
>>numbers from their card so I can use them for the inspection until I can
>>get mine dialed in? Anywhere in the midwest will do.
>>
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | compass correction card |
Douwe;
At the last annual condition inspection of 41CC,
I was told that the airplane needed a compass
deviation card. The spaces did not need to be
filled in but the card had to be installed.
The card on mine is still blank since I have
not yet swung the compass since installing the
card but it's a very simple procedure, esp. if
you have a GPS or something else to give you
exact headings. Otherwise, you need a compass
rose on the ramp or apron...
Here's a quick and easy procedure:
http://cfisher.com/compass.htm
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | tip for when your inspector comes |
When I got 41CC, it had no compass deviation
card, no marked ranges or redlines on any of
the instruments, and it was signed off
and had its test time flown off.
I'm just sayin'... you should think about
taking your airplane to Louisiana to get it
inspected ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: tip for when your inspector comes |
Douwe,
Let the Inspector do the talking and ask the questions, answer as well as you know
how and do-not add stuff that isn't relevant, you will do just great, and
I will await your call for the good news.
Pieti Lowell
PS can your fly-off area be 1/8 mile wide and long enough to get you to Brodhead
?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283559#283559
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead '10 |
Dan, Just specify the test area to be to the west of Poplar Grove.- Make
your airport on the eastern most boundry of the circle, thus allowing you t
o fly further to the west.- I have heard of people doing this.- I don't
think the regs state that it has to be a 30 mile radius from YOUR home air
port.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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West will get him too close to Rockford. Go Northwest, towards, Brodhead
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '10
Dan, Just specify the test area to be to the west of Poplar Grove. Make
your airport on the eastern most boundry of the circle, thus allowing you to
fly further to the west. I have heard of people doing this. I don't think
the regs state that it has to be a 30 mile radius from YOUR home airport.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: tip for when your inspector comes |
Or at least find an inspector named "Gator"
NO archive, pls
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 26, 2010 4:06 PM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: tip for when your inspector comes
>
>
>
>When I got 41CC, it had no compass deviation
>card, no marked ranges or redlines on any of
>the instruments, and it was signed off
>and had its test time flown off.
>
>I'm just sayin'... you should think about
>taking your airplane to Louisiana to get it
>inspected ;o)
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tip for when your inspector comes |
Coffee and Donuts!! When my inspectors (I had 2) walked in and saw them they
said I passed and they didn't even need to see the plane! Seriously though, don't
think of it as a test. They really aren't looking to "fail" you. This is
probably one of the most satisfying parts of their job and they really want
to be able to give you that certificate. Enjoy it!
And pay close attention to everything that Mike posted up above!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283569#283569
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| Subject: | what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" |
Douwe,
Have available a scrapbook of photos showing the build in progress. In
particular, show every pic you can of you actually working on the plane.
Not only does it help qualify you for your "Repairman's Certificate", but
the inspector is likely to get engrossed at looking at the pictures and not
ask many questions (at least that's what happened with mine).
I had a W&B spreadsheet which I showed to the inspector. He never asked for
a flight manual (not necessary if you have placards and various "V" speeds
marked on your airspeed indicator). I made up a compass correction card,
then swung the compass later.
I don't believe a minimum equipment list is necessary unless you will be
using the plane in commercial operation, which as a homebuilt, you can't do.
As I mentioned to Dan Helsper, have in mind what you want for a test area
and ask for it - otherwise you will be stuck with whatever the inspector
thinks is appropriate. As long as you justify what you're asking for,
you'll probably get it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment
list"
Douwe,
On 01/26/2010 12:28 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Douwe
Blumberg<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm preparing for my final inspection!!!
>
Congrats!
> My inspector sent me a ck list of things to have ready.
>
> What is a "flight manual" and what is an "equipment list"?
I (and others here) use a modified version of the following as our
Pilots Operating Handbook (aka flight manual):
http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html
Wikipedia has some info regarding a "minimum equipment list':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_equipment_list
I'm not sure if this is what he's looking for. Other builders will know
that...
>
> Also, anybody have a step by step weight and balance guide to walk me
through that?
See the attached image of the W&B sheet for N8031. You should be able
to fill out the data for your plane using this as a guide.
We want to see video of the second flight!
Cheers,
Dan
>
> Thanks!
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" |
Douwe,
Here's another W&B that is probably easier to understand. It's
certainly more complete.
Cheers,
Dan
On 01/26/2010 12:54 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> Douwe,
>
> On 01/26/2010 12:28 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>> Blumberg<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>
>> I'm preparing for my final inspection!!!
>>
>
> Congrats!
>
>> My inspector sent me a ck list of things to have ready.
>>
>> What is a "flight manual" and what is an "equipment list"?
>
> I (and others here) use a modified version of the following as our
> Pilots Operating Handbook (aka flight manual):
>
> http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html
>
> Wikipedia has some info regarding a "minimum equipment list':
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_equipment_list
>
> I'm not sure if this is what he's looking for. Other builders will know
> that...
>
>>
>> Also, anybody have a step by step weight and balance guide to walk me
>> through that?
>
> See the attached image of the W&B sheet for N8031. You should be able to
> fill out the data for your plane using this as a guide.
>
> We want to see video of the second flight!
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
>
>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: motorcycle links |
Thanks David
If you mean just hanging out there then no.
I haven't made the support bearing yet.
Clif
>
> Nice tank work!
>
> But that valve control rod - that's not the way you're going to leave it,
> is
> it?
>
> David Paule
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