---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/27/10: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:38 AM - Re: tip for when your inspector comes (airlion) 2. 06:55 AM - Aileron piano hinge question (Gene Rambo) 3. 07:18 AM - piano hinge question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 4. 07:27 AM - Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (shad bell) 5. 07:36 AM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (K5YAC) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 07:39 AM - Re: piano hinge question (Gene Rambo) 8. 07:44 AM - Re: piano hinge question (shad bell) 9. 07:48 AM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (Jim Markle) 10. 07:57 AM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (Gene Rambo) 11. 07:58 AM - piano hinge question (Oscar Zuniga) 12. 08:03 AM - piano hinge question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 13. 08:06 AM - Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 14. 08:14 AM - what to do with leftover piano hinge ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 15. 08:34 AM - CC wing cargo cover hinge idea (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 16. 08:40 AM - Re: Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question (K5YAC) 17. 08:48 AM - Re: Aileron piano hinge question (Jack Phillips) 18. 09:07 AM - Re: Aileron piano hinge question (K5YAC) 19. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Aileron piano hinge question (Jack Phillips) 20. 09:51 AM - Re: piano hinge question (Jack) 21. 11:04 AM - Re: piano hinge question (Jack Phillips) 22. 12:39 PM - Re: piano hinge question (shad bell) 23. 12:42 PM - Re: piano hinge question (K5YAC) 24. 02:32 PM - Re: CC wing cargo cover hinge idea (taildrags) 25. 02:37 PM - Re: what to do with leftover piano hinge ? (taildrags) 26. 02:40 PM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (Tim White) 27. 02:40 PM - Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question (Oscar Zuniga) 28. 03:48 PM - Re: Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question (Kip and Beth Gardner) 29. 03:58 PM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (Kip and Beth Gardner) 30. 04:13 PM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (Jason Holmes) 31. 06:25 PM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (Don Emch) 32. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (John Hofmann) 33. 07:24 PM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (shad bell) 34. 11:52 PM - Wing () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:26 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tip for when your inspector comes ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Willis Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:21:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tip for when your inspector comes Or at least find an inspector named "Gator" NO archive, pls -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga >Sent: Jan 26, 2010 4:06 PM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: tip for when your inspector comes > > > >When I got 41CC, it had no compass deviation >card, no marked ranges or redlines on any of >the instruments, and it was signed off >and had its test time flown off. > >I'm just sayin'... you should think about >taking your airplane to Louisiana to get it >inspected ;o) > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:51 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron piano hinge question For all of you guys who have used piano hinges for your ailerons: I am installing my aileron hinges now. As many of you have (correctly) advised, because the top of the aileron spar is beveled, I made sure that I placed the attachment bolt/screw holes far enough down to give clearance on the back side of the spar for the nuts/nutplates. I put them at what I thought was the minimum distance down, only 3/8" from the top of the rear face of the spar. I placed the hinge so that the top of the hinge is flush with the top of the wing (i.e., the top of the rib capstrips. All of this being said, set up as I have it this ends up with the attachment screws a LONG way from the hinge point, something just over 1", and very near the edge of the hinge (I opted to buy 3" wide hinges (1.5" per side), wider than most on here, because I saw this as a potential problem). Does this bother anyone? I am wondering about the potential for the hinge to bend away from the aileron spar because of the distance between the hinge line and the line of screws. Of course, because the spar is angled, the screws are pretty much in shear anyway, so it may not be a problem. The solutions I see are (1) move the hinge down lower so that it is below the top of the wing. This could, I suppose, cause a clearance problem between the opposing capstrips. (2) I could use a wider hinge on the aileron half, which would give more edge distance between the bolt hole and the edge of the hinge. This would not do anything about keeping it from bending, if that is a real problem. So, how far down on the hinge are the screws for most of you guys? And, how low/high do most of you have your hinge mounted? Thanks, Gene ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:16 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question U28sIGhvdyBmYXIgZG93biBvbiB0aGUgaGluZ2UgYXJlIHRoZSBzY3Jld3MgZm9yIG1vc3Qgb2Yg eW91IGd1eXM/ICBBbmQsIGhvdyBsb3cvaGlnaCBkbyBtb3N0IG9mIHlvdSBoYXZlIHlvdXIgaGlu Z2UgbW91bnRlZD8NCg0KR2VuZeKAlEkgbW91bnRlZCB0aGUgdG9wIG9mIHRoZSBoaW5nZSBmbHVz aCB3aXRoIHRoZSB1cHBlciBzdXJmYWNlIG9mIHRoZSB3aW5nIGFuZCBhaWxlcm9uIGluIG9yZGVy IHRvIGNyZWF0ZSBhIGdhcCBzZWFsLiAgICBNeSBoaW5nZSBpcyBhYm91dCDCvuKAnSB3aWRlIHBl ciBzaWRlIGFuZCBJIHNpbXBseSBjb3VudGVyc3VuayB0aGUgaGluZ2UgIGZvciB0aGUgUGhpbGxp cHMgaGVhZCBtYWNoaW5lIHNjcmV3cyB0aGF0IHNjcmV3ZWQgaW50byBzZWxmLWxvY2tpbmcgbnV0 cGxhdGVzIG9uIHRoZSBiYWNrc2lkZSBvZiB0aGUgd29vZC4gICBJ4oCZdmUgbmV2ZXIgZXhwZXJp ZW5jZWQgYW55IGJpbmRpbmcgZWl0aGVyIG9uIHRoZSBncm91bmQgb3IgaW4gZmxpZ2h0Lg0KDQoN CltjaWQ6aW1hZ2UwMDMuanBnQDAxQ0E5RjM5LkY0MjFEMjkwXQ0K ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:13 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-in this June.- I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in, or driving in.- My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day before father's day. - If people want to tent camp thats fine with me, however I do not have r oom for big rv's.- I am planning on having people bring a dish to pass (p ot luck style) if able.- I will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers .- I have a big dinning canopy and will get some tables and chairs so we can get out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned up as well.- Don I know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly flying down on frida y afternoon, that is- fine with me.- I am also pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on attending and I will get er done. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 From: "K5YAC" Turd closets... I'm sold. What time do we eat? [Laughing] -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283627#283627 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:06 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 If the weather is good Shad, count me in. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:20 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question Thanks, Mike. Looking at your photo, I see exactly what I was wondering about. See how close the screws are to the edge of the hinge? If it is not a problem, I don't want to create one. If your hinge is only 3/4" wide, then the nutplates on the back must be pretty close to the top of the spar, too? I also meant to ask about spacing. I used 8" spacing which gives 10 screws in the 6' long hinge. This looks to be about what you used too. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question So, how far down on the hinge are the screws for most of you guys? And, how low/high do most of you have your hinge mounted? Gene=94I mounted the top of the hinge flush with the upper surface of the wing and aileron in order to create a gap seal. My hinge is about =C2=BE=9D wide per side and I simply countersunk the hinge for the Phillips head machine screws that screwed into self-locking nutplates on the backside of the wood. I=99ve never experienced any binding either on the ground or in flight. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:17 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question We used velcro strips and duct tape, it's holding up so far. =C2- Shad Just kidding we copied Mike So, how far down on the hinge are the screws for most of you guys?=C2- An d, how low/high do most of you have your hinge mounted? =C2- Gene=94I mounted the top of the hinge flush with the upper surface of the wing and aileron in order to create a gap seal.=C2-=C2-=C2- My h inge is about =C2=BE=9D wide per side and I simply countersunk the hi nge =C2-for the Phillips head machine screws that screwed into self-locki ng nutplates on the backside of the wood.=C2- =C2-I=99ve never ex perienced any binding either on the ground or in flight.=C2- =C2- =C2- =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:41 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Wow, that sounds like fun! I'll bring the condiments. :-) do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" >Sent: Jan 27, 2010 9:37 AM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 > > >If the weather is good Shad, count me in. > >Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:43 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 I never know my flying schedule until the middle of the month before, but if I am off I will be there! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-in this June. I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in, or driving in. My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day before father's day. If people want to tent camp thats fine with me, however I do not have room for big rv's. I am planning on having people bring a dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers. I have a big dinning canopy and will get some tables and chairs so we can get out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned up as well. Don I know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly flying down on friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on attending and I will get er done. Shad http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:47 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question Aileron hinges on 41CC are just like Mike's. Pretty safe to say they're not going to fall off your airplane, Gene. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:43 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. 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(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question WW91IGtub3cgdGhpcyB3aW50ZXIgSSB1c2VkIHNvbWUgR29yaWxsYSB0YXBlIG9uIHNlYWxpbmcg dXAgYSB3aW5kb3cgYS9jIGNvdmVyIG9uIGF0IHRoZSBob3VzZQ0KYW5kIG1hbiB3YXMgSSBldmVy IGltcHJlc3NlZCB3aXRoIHRoYXQgc3R1ZmYuICAgICBJIG1pZ2h0IHBhY2sgYSByb2xsIG9mIHRo YXQgb24gbXkgbmV4dCBjcm9zcyBjb3VudHJ5DQppbiBhZGRpdGlvbiB0byB0aGUgbnlsb24gdHll LXdyYXBzIGFuZCBzYWZldHkgd2lyZSBJIGNhcnJ5ICEhIQ0KDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:12 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: what to do with leftover piano hinge ? Ala Tony Bingelis's books just like the aileron hinge idea from what I reca ll. I also used piano hinge to neatly secure my aft-opening aluminum luggage/ca rgo wing center section covering---photo to follow in next e-mail. Mike C. PS-- Bingelis has some GREAT advice on how to build cowlings lightly and ST RONG. He really has some excellent tips to help you save weight and make removal and installation reasonable. More tabs and fasteners on the cowling are not n ecessarily better--nor a heavier grade of aluminum. All of my sheet aluminum is 2024 T3 .024" thick. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:04 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: CC wing cargo cover hinge idea ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question From: "K5YAC" No kidding about the gorilla tape... that stuff is strong. I put a couple of wraps around a crate that I shipped recently. When it was returned, one of the panels (sides) was broken loose, but the gorilla tape hung in there and kept the crate together. None of the contents were damaged. Tough stuff indeed... I will be replacing my normal stash of Army green "100 mph tape" with gorilla tape. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283643#283643 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:22 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron piano hinge question Gene, I don't think it's a problem. Mine are pretty far from the hinge line and I haven't had any problems with them. I don't have any very good pictures of that area, but here is a picture of the aileron being covered, and you can see how far the screw holes for the hinges are from the edge: Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron piano hinge question For all of you guys who have used piano hinges for your ailerons: I am installing my aileron hinges now. As many of you have (correctly) advised, because the top of the aileron spar is beveled, I made sure that I placed the attachment bolt/screw holes far enough down to give clearance on the back side of the spar for the nuts/nutplates. I put them at what I thought was the minimum distance down, only 3/8" from the top of the rear face of the spar. I placed the hinge so that the top of the hinge is flush with the top of the wing (i.e., the top of the rib capstrips. All of this being said, set up as I have it this ends up with the attachment screws a LONG way from the hinge point, something just over 1", and very near the edge of the hinge (I opted to buy 3" wide hinges (1.5" per side), wider than most on here, because I saw this as a potential problem). Does this bother anyone? I am wondering about the potential for the hinge to bend away from the aileron spar because of the distance between the hinge line and the line of screws. Of course, because the spar is angled, the screws are pretty much in shear anyway, so it may not be a problem. The solutions I see are (1) move the hinge down lower so that it is below the top of the wing. This could, I suppose, cause a clearance problem between the opposing capstrips. (2) I could use a wider hinge on the aileron half, which would give more edge distance between the bolt hole and the edge of the hinge. This would not do anything about keeping it from bending, if that is a real problem. So, how far down on the hinge are the screws for most of you guys? And, how low/high do most of you have your hinge mounted? Thanks, Gene ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron piano hinge question From: "K5YAC" Jack, is your TE metal? It looks pretty shiny, and I don't see any gussets at the ribs... is that aluminum sheet? Maybe the light hit it just right to shine? Great to see all the aileron talk... I am also getting ready to cut and hinge mine. The hinges and hardware showed up yesterday. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283648#283648 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:20 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron piano hinge question Yes, my trailing edges are aluminum, one of the changes from the plans I wish I had not made. Problem is, I made my ribs with the trailing edge ending with a 1/4" flat, instead of coming to a point. When I installed the metal trailing edges, I nailed them to the ribs, but as the fabric shrank it slowly pulled the trailing edges forward on the ribs, creating a neat little pucker at each rib, on the top and bottom of the wing along the trailing edge. No way to fix it without recovering the wing. It took about a year after finishing the airplane for this to show up. Build it to the plans - you'll be happier. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron piano hinge question Jack, is your TE metal? It looks pretty shiny, and I don't see any gussets at the ribs... is that aluminum sheet? Maybe the light hit it just right to shine? Great to see all the aileron talk... I am also getting ready to cut and hinge mine. The hinges and hardware showed up yesterday. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283648#283648 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:44 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question Guys, What size bolts are you using on the hinges? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:29 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question As I recall, I used # 8 aircraft grade (MS24694-S11, I believe) screws, going into self locking nutplates. As Mike mentioned, the self-locking nutplates are so aggressive that you will round out the head of the screw before you ever get it tight, so I ran a # 8-32 tap through the nutplates before attaching the hinges. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:51 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question Guys, What size bolts are you using on the hinges? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:35 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question Dad used hardware store "T"nuts with #8, or#10 screws.- He put a dab of t -88 on the backs of the t nuts to hold them secure.- No problems so far, and we have had to take them off-2 or 3 times-now for trailering (count ing it's first ride to the airport).-- - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piano hinge question From: "K5YAC" 10-32 stainless round head bolts and blind nuts. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283671#283671 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CC wing cargo cover hinge idea From: "taildrags" "Please be careful when opening the overhead compartment, as the contents may have shifted while in flight. Check to make sure that you remove all of your belongings before leaving the airplane. Thank you for flying Cuy High Airlines and we hope that you will choose us next time your travels bring you to Ohio." -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283687#283687 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what to do with leftover piano hinge ? From: "taildrags" ...which reminds me. Walt Evans (where IS Walt these days, anyway?) posted a tip on a nifty way to secure removable piano hinge pins. Very clever. Photos here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/cowlhinge.html -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283688#283688 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:34 PM PST US From: "Tim White" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Shad, I would like to attend, but it will be a Rans S-6. My Pietenpol is still under construction. Tim White Springfield ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-in this June. I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in, or driving in. My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day before father's day. If people want to tent camp thats fine with me, however I do not have room for big rv's. I am planning on having people bring a dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers. I have a big dinning canopy and will get some tables and chairs so we can get out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned up as well. Don I know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly flying down on friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on attending and I will get er done. Shad ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:44 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question Mikee wrote: >I might pack a roll of that on my next cross country >in addition to the nylon tye-wraps and safety wire Who let "The Fisherman" back on this list? None of that stuff is STC'd, AN-quality, listed in "Acceptable Practices" AC43-13, or anything else! A guy and his airplane could both come to harm! ;o) Oscar Zuniga do not archive Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:28 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question Yeah, you can tape everything back together after the bear shreds it :) Kip Gardner Do Not Archive On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > You know this winter I used some Gorilla tape on sealing up a > window a/c cover on at the house > and man was I ever impressed with that stuff. I might pack a > roll of that on my next cross country > in addition to the nylon tye-wraps and safety wire I carry !!! > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:15 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Everyone keep in mind that EAA 82 will also be having their annual "Wings and Wheels" Fly-in in early June (probably the 1st weekend in June) at Barber Airport (2D1), another great grassroots event in NE Ohio. Lots of vintage aircraft & cars, grass strip, more than a few Piets, and a great deal on breakfast (the important stuff). Kip Gardner On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Tim White wrote: > Shad, > > I would like to attend, but it will be a Rans S-6. My Pietenpol is > still under construction. > > Tim White > Springfield > ----- Original Message ----- > From: shad bell > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:26 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 > > Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly- > in this June. I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying > in, or driving in. My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day > before father's day. If people want to tent camp thats fine with > me, however I do not have room for big rv's. I am planning on > having people bring a dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I > will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers. I have a big > dinning canopy and will get some tables and chairs so we can get > out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned up as well. Don I > know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly flying down on > friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also pricing out > turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on > attending and I will get er done. > > Shad > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:47 PM PST US From: "Jason Holmes" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Shad, I will be driving in for the day with my Dad as well. I look forward to it. Thanks, Jason Holmes From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-in this June. I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in, or driving in. My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day before father's day. If people want to tent camp thats fine with me, however I do not have room for big rv's. I am planning on having people bring a dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers. I have a big dinning canopy and will get some tables and chairs so we can get out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned up as well. Don I know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly flying down on friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on attending and I will get er done. Shad ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 From: "Don Emch" Hmm... A covered dish, huh? With the wing baggage compartment filled with a tent, air mattress, pillows and tie downs and the front pit filled with one of the kids with a backpack and sleeping bags on his or her lap, looks like I'll have to swing by McDonald's on the way and load my pockets with ketchup packets. Count me in for the condiments! I'm planning on Friday. I'll pitch in for the burgers and turd closets too! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283730#283730 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:29 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Don, Covered dish may mean purty wimmin in hats. Shad, have you priced the turd closets? I wrote a check for about $2k for the Brodhead Biffys in September. I think they should be named Shad's Shat Shacks. do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Don Emch wrote: > > Hmm... > > A covered dish, huh? With the wing baggage compartment filled with a tent, air mattress, pillows and tie downs and the front pit filled with one of the kids with a backpack and sleeping bags on his or her lap, looks like I'll have to swing by McDonald's on the way and load my pockets with ketchup packets. Count me in for the condiments! > > I'm planning on Friday. > I'll pitch in for the burgers and turd closets too! > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283730#283730 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:44 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Wow! seems to be some real enthusiam for this little get togeather.- Bein g that aircraft parking will be limited to about 6-8 aircraft behind my han ger, we might have to park the "non piets" down by the t hangers.- Not a problem though, I will let you all know what the parking arrangements are a s time get closer.- I will make sure Bill See doesn't mind parking a few aircraft at the t hangers and just walk down to my hanger for the shin-dig. - Also my neighbor probably won't mind us using his back yard which will double the parking, I'll just have to voulenteer to take his turns mowing t he runway this year. - What have I got myself into! Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:25 PM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? 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