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1. 04:15 AM - Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" (Xhalin1212)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: Wing (gcardinal)
3. 05:16 AM - Re: Wing (Jack)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: Wing (Michael Perez)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Wing (Jim Markle)
6. 05:44 AM - Re: Wing (Gene Rambo)
7. 06:01 AM - Re: Wing (H RULE)
8. 06:06 AM - Hampton Inn - Rockford (K5YAC)
9. 06:14 AM - Re: Wing (Jack Phillips)
10. 06:46 AM - Re: Wing (TOM STINEMETZE)
11. 06:48 AM - Re: Wing (Jim Markle)
12. 06:48 AM - Wing (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 07:06 AM - Re: Wing (greg menoche)
14. 07:15 AM - Re: Wing (Jim Markle)
15. 07:32 AM - Re: Wing (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
16. 08:08 AM - Re: Wing (Jeff Boatright)
17. 08:17 AM - Re: Wing (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
18. 08:45 AM - Wing (Oscar Zuniga)
19. 08:48 AM - Re: Brodhead '10 (Dan Yocum)
20. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Wing (Jack)
21. 09:20 AM - Re: Wing (Ryan Mueller)
22. 09:42 AM - Re: Wing (David Paule)
23. 09:48 AM - Intercom (Perry Rhoads)
24. 10:08 AM - Re: Intercom (Jim Ash)
25. 10:12 AM - Re: Intercom (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com)
26. 10:14 AM - Re: Intercom (Dan Yocum)
27. 11:09 AM - Re: Wing (Michael Perez)
28. 11:40 AM - Re: Wing (Michael Perez)
29. 11:51 AM - Re: Wing (Ben Charvet)
30. 11:54 AM - Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. (Ben Charvet)
31. 12:11 PM - Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. (Tim White)
32. 12:44 PM - Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. (Michael Perez)
33. 12:50 PM - Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled (Oscar Zuniga)
34. 12:59 PM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (Skip Gadd)
35. 01:23 PM - Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled (Jack Phillips)
36. 01:30 PM - Re: Wing (Jerry Dotson)
37. 06:43 PM - Re: Wing ()
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| Subject: | Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" |
If you chose to do a MEL, be aware that if anything you put on the list does not
work, you cannot legally fly the aircraft. I would not put anything other
than Altimeter, Airspeed, Tachometer, oil pressure gauge on it. As stated above,
you do not need one for your aircraft. Sometimes, Inspectors will ask for
one just to see what you say or do.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283740#283740
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Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to
varnish inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
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From: catdesigns@att.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)
completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok
or is this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Q-tips work well for holes...
Jack
DSM
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
> Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't
> forget to varnish inside all bolt holes.
>
> Greg Cardinal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: catdesigns@att.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
> For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-
> piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.
> Is this ok or is this going to screw something up?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
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I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cab
les and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Varnishing under metal fittings-is the proper procedure. Don't forget to
varnish inside all bolt holes.
-
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns@att.net
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)-co
mpletely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.- Is this ok or i
s this going to screw something up?
-
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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Agree, and Q-tips hold a LOT of varnish. I also found that an eye liner brush
does a good job.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack
Sent: Jan 28, 2010 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Q-tips work well for holes...JackDSM
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
Varnishing under metal
fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt
holes.
Greg
Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From:
catdesigns@att.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52
AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on
building my wings (3-piece) completely
then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this
going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento,
CA
WestCoastPiet.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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except, don't forget, once the leading edge plywood is on, you cannot
get the forward strut fitting off. Varnish under that one and install
before installing leading edge.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal<mailto:gcardinal@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget
to varnish inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
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From: catdesigns@att.net<mailto:catdesigns@att.net>
To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings
(3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is
this ok or is this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Jim I had no idea you used eye liner.When last we met, it didn't even show
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| Subject: | Hampton Inn - Rockford |
Most of you probably know this... some may not.
If anyone is planning to attend the Brodhead Pietenpol Fly In and will need a place
to stay, the Hilton chain is offering pretty good discounts if you book by
January 31. Last year, my family and I stayed at the Rockford Hampton Inn (recommended
by John Recine). It was very clean and comfortable, and they have
a hot complimentary breakfast.
Just wanted to mention it in case someone wasn't aware.
We sure are looking forward to the Fly In. Hope they have plenty of turd closets.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283752#283752
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Man, that=92s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that
varnish
takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do
better
to be varnishing one portion while working on building another ' for
example, put a coat of varnish on your spars while working on the
fuselage.
You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether
using
epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane
varnish
(next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish
(check to make sure it won=92t be lifted by the covering materials), you
will
get best protection by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer
so
it will soak into the wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat
over
that. Make sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what
exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in
the
ribs and tail section.
Just my 2=A2 worth.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together
cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to
covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to
varnish inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns@att.net
<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=catdesigns@att.net>
<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.
com>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)
completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok
or is
this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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(what exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?)
This is why we love the internet so much!
cranny [krn]
n pl -niesa narrow opening, as in a wall or rock face; chink; crevice
(esp in the phrase every nook and cranny)[from Old French cran notch,
fissure; compare crenel]
nook(nook)
noun
a corner of a room, or a part of a room cut off from the main part a
breakfast nook
a small recess or secluded spot; retreat
Etymology: ME (chiefly Northern) nok, akin to Norw nakke, a hook, ON
hnekkja, to hem in, drive back, OE hnecca, the neck (
http://www.yourdictionary.com/neck )
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I don't use eye liner. Haven't for years...
-----Original Message-----
From: H RULE
Sent: Jan 28, 2010 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Jim I had no idea you used eye liner.When last we met, it didn't even show ;-)
do not archive
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 8:34:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Agree, and Q-tips hold a LOT of varnish. I also found that an eye liner brush
does a good job.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack
Sent: Jan 28, 2010 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Q-tips work well for
holes...JackDSM
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
Varnishing under metal
fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt
holes.
Greg
Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From:
catdesigns@att.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52
AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on
building my wings (3-piece) completely
then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is
this ok or is this
going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento,
CA
WestCoastPiet.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Jim wrote-
>I also found that an eye liner brush
>does a good job.
Hmmm... don't ask/don't tell, eh?
Oscar Zuniga
do not archive
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish instead of Qtip and
brush method? Greg Menoche
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that varnish takes
a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do better to be varnishing
one portion while working on building another for example, put a coat
of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage.
You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether using epoxy
varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varnish (next best)
or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make
sure it wont be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection
by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the
wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you get
into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between
a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail section.
Just my 2 worth.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cables
and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish
inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns@att.net
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely
then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going
to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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Some have just put one coat of varnish on to save on weight. Or grind off any
varnish OR epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save weight.
Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of quantity and I wonder how you would
keep all those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from retaining little puddles?
Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent hand brushing would save some weight...and
on the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: greg menoche <gnwac@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish instead of Qtip and
brush method? Greg Menoche
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that varnish takes
a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do better to be
varnishing one portion while working on building another for example, put a coat
of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage.
>
>You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether using epoxy
varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varnish (next best)
or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make
sure it wont be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection
by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the
wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you
get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between
a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail section.
>
>Just my 2 worth.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>
>I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cables
and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
>
>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>
>
>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish
inside all bolt holes.
>
>
>
>Greg Cardinal
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: catdesigns@att.net
>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>
>For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely
then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going
to screw something up?
>
>
>
>Chris
>Sacramento, CA
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Group,
On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on rather than brushed on? It seems
it would be much faster and easier, unless the varnish is too thick to spray.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Some have just put one coat of varnish on to save on weight. Or grind off any
varnish OR epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save weight.
Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of quantity and I wonder how you would
keep all those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from retaining little puddles?
Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent hand brushing would save some weight...and
on the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: greg menoche <gnwac@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish instead of Qtip and
brush method? Greg Menoche
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that varnish takes
a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do better to be
varnishing one portion while working on building another for example, put a coat
of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage.
>
>You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether using epoxy
varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varnish (next best)
or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make
sure it wont be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection
by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the
wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you
get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between
a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail section.
>
>Just my 2 worth.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>
>I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cables
and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
>
>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>
>
>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish
inside all bolt holes.
>
>
>
>Greg Cardinal
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: catdesigns@att.net
>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>
>For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely
then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going
to screw something up?
>
>
>
>Chris
>Sacramento, CA
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I'm interested in this, too. Many types of
"varnish" are available in spray cans. Some are
true oil-based varnishes (Cabot sells this).
Others are urethane (just about all the major
players like Krylon sell their version of this),
and I guess there could be other types.
One big concern I have about this use is whether
the solvents and propellants are compatible with
whatever glue you are using. Most of us use
epoxy, but many still use rescorcinol, and still
others are exploring the newer one-part glues. I
would not assume that the solvent mix in a spray
can is the same as the solvent in brush can, even
for the same varnish by the same maker.
Of course, this may just be paranoia.
Does anyone have experience with the various spray varnishes?
>
>Group,
>On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on
>rather than brushed on? It seems it would be
>much faster and easier, unless the varnish is
>too thick to spray.
>
>Brian
>SLC-UT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
>On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>Some have just put one coat of varnish on to
>save on weight. Or grind off any varnish OR
>epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save
>weight.
>
>Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of
>quantity and I wonder how you would keep all
>those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from
>retaining little puddles?
>
>Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent
>hand brushing would save some weight...and on
>the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
>
>jm
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: greg menoche <gnwac@earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a
>>pan of varnish instead of Qtip and brush
>>method? Greg Menoche
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips
>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Man, that's a LOT of varnishing to be done at
>>one time. Given that varnish takes a long time
>>(several days) to dry between coats, you might
>>do better to be varnishing one portion while
>>working on building another - for example, put
>>a coat of varnish on your spars while working
>>on the fuselage.
>>
>>You will want at least two coats of varnish on
>>everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my
>>personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane
>>varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot
>>variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to
>>make sure it won't be lifted by the covering
>>materials), you will get best protection by
>>thinning the first coat about 50/50 with
>>reducer so it will soak into the wood more
>>easily. Then put a full strength coat over
>>that. Make sure you get into all the little
>>nooks and crannies (what exactly is the
>>difference between a nook and a cranny?),
>>particularly in the ribs and tail section.
>>
>>Just my 2 worth.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
>>On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I plan to build the complete plane, minus
>>covering, all fitted together cables and all.
>>THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to
>>covering.
>>
>>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>
>>
>>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper
>>procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all
>>bolt holes.
> >
>>
>>
>>Greg Cardinal
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>From: catdesigns@att.net
>>
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>>
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>For all you wing builders, I am planing on
>>building my wings (3-piece) completely then
>>take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is
>>this ok or is this going to screw something up?
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>Sacramento, CA
>>WestCoastPiet.com
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>>" target=_blank
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I was thinking more on the lines of spraying varnish out of the gallon can through
my industrial paint sprayer, I would think the varnish would be too thick
to spray through my automotive paint sprayer.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I'm interested in this, too. Many types of
"varnish" are available in spray cans. Some are
true oil-based varnishes (Cabot sells this).
Others are urethane (just about all the major
players like Krylon sell their version of this),
and I guess there could be other types.
One big concern I have about this use is whether
the solvents and propellants are compatible with
whatever glue you are using. Most of us use
epoxy, but many still use rescorcinol, and still
others are exploring the newer one-part glues. I
would not assume that the solvent mix in a spray
can is the same as the solvent in brush can, even
for the same varnish by the same maker.
Of course, this may just be paranoia.
Does anyone have experience with the various spray varnishes?
>
>Group,
>On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on
>rather than brushed on? It seems it would be
>much faster and easier, unless the varnish is
>too thick to spray.
>
>Brian
>SLC-UT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
>On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>Some have just put one coat of varnish on to
>save on weight. Or grind off any varnish OR
>epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save
>weight.
>
>Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of
>quantity and I wonder how you would keep all
>those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from
>retaining little puddles?
>
>Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent
>hand brushing would save some weight...and on
>the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
>
>jm
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: greg menoche <gnwac@earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a
>>pan of varnish instead of Qtip and brush
>>method? Greg Menoche
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips
>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Man, that's a LOT of varnishing to be done at
>>one time. Given that varnish takes a long time
>>(several days) to dry between coats, you might
>>do better to be varnishing one portion while
>>working on building another - for example, put
>>a coat of varnish on your spars while working
>>on the fuselage.
>>
>>You will want at least two coats of varnish on
>>everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my
>>personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane
>>varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot
>>variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to
>>make sure it won't be lifted by the covering
>>materials), you will get best protection by
>>thinning the first coat about 50/50 with
>>reducer so it will soak into the wood more
>>easily. Then put a full strength coat over
>>that. Make sure you get into all the little
>>nooks and crannies (what exactly is the
>>difference between a nook and a cranny?),
>>particularly in the ribs and tail section.
>>
>>Just my 2 worth.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
>>On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I plan to build the complete plane, minus
>>covering, all fitted together cables and all.
>>THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to
>>covering.
>>
>>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>
>>
>>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper
>>procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all
>>bolt holes.
> >
>>
>>
>>Greg Cardinal
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>From: catdesigns@att.net
>>
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>>
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>For all you wing builders, I am planing on
>>building my wings (3-piece) completely then
>>take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is
>>this ok or is this going to screw something up?
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>Sacramento, CA
>>WestCoastPiet.com
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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Greg asked-
>could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish
>instead of Qtip and brush method?
Just to throw out another idea, there was an
article and photos in one of the old newsletters
where a builder connected a pump-type oil can
to a paintbrush with some clear tubing and
pumped varnish to the brush as he went, which
is much faster than dipping the brush in a can.
I don't remember which issue but the concept is
simple enough...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead '10 |
Dan, Douwe,
I knew I had this info laying around somewhere... per AC 20-27G,
paragraph 14, section c.:
"Location. You may suggest the location of a flight test area to the
FAA. If the FAA approves your suggestion, they will specify it in your
operating limitations. Usually, the flight test area should be within a
25-statute-mile radius from your aircrafts base of operation. Under
91.305, the flight test is required to be over open water or sparsely
populated areas with light air traffic so it does not pose a hazard to
persons or property on the ground. You can ask us to help you pick a
suitable area to ensure adequate airspace for flight testing."
Since Kevin got a 50mi radius, asking for what you want should be no big
deal.
AC 20-27G is here:
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2020-27G.pdf
Another circular that you'll be interested in is AC 90-89A, the
Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook. It's here:
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2090-89A.pdf
(Douwe - this AC has a full section on W&B as well as some advice on
Equipment)
Cheers,
Dan
On 01/25/2010 12:25 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Oh good, my circle just shrank to 30 miles.
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 11:28 am
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '10
>
> FYI, Skyvector.com says 28.9 nm from C77 to C37....
>
> Ryan
>
> do not archive
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM, <helspersew@aol.com
> <mailto:helspersew@aol.com>> wrote:
>
> Guys,
> Hopefully I will be there with my completed Piet. I still have to
> fabricate cockpit combing and apply finish color paint/trim. Then
> fly-off the 40 hours. But I have a trick up my sleeve on that one
> maybe. Can I specify a 40 mile circle from my home airport for the
> 40 hour fly-off? If so I could fly it over to Brod even though I may
> be short of the 40 hours. Anybody know?
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Sprayed my wings, Ace spar varnish diluted 10 percent
Jack
DSM
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:31 AM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
>
> Group,
> On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on rather than brushed
> on? It seems it would be much faster and easier, unless the varnish
> is too thick to spray.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
> >
>
> Some have just put one coat of varnish on to save on weight. Or
> grind off any varnish OR epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save
> weight.
>
> Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of quantity and I wonder
> how you would keep all those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from
> retaining little puddles?
>
> Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent hand brushing would
> save some weight...and on the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
>
> jm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greg menoche <gnwac@earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>> >
>>
>> To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish
>> instead of Qtip and brush method? Greg Menoche
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jack Phillips
>> Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given tha
>> t varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, y
>> ou might do better to be varnishing one portion while working on b
>> uilding another for example, put a coat of varnish on your spars
>> while working on the fuselage.
>>
>> You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether
>> using epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part
>> polyurethane varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of
>> polyurethane spar varnish (check to make sure it wont be lifted b
>> y the covering materials), you will get best protection by thinnin
>> g the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the
>> wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make
>> sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly
>> is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in
>> the ribs and tail section.
>>
>> Just my 2 worth.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
>> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted
>> together cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just
>> prior to covering.
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>
>>
>> Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't
>> forget to varnish inside all bolt holes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Cardinal
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: catdesigns@att.net
>>
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>> For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-
>> piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.
>> Is this ok or is this going to screw something up?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
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Oscar,
I can picture that article...unfortunately I don't have my stack of
newsletters here at work (I really don't know why :P). Here is a short
article from an old Sport Av that covers that same technique....
Ryan
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>
> Greg asked-
>
> >could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish
> >instead of Qtip and brush method?
>
> Just to throw out another idea, there was an
> article and photos in one of the old newsletters
> where a builder connected a pump-type oil can
> to a paintbrush with some clear tubing and
> pumped varnish to the brush as he went, which
> is much faster than dipping the brush in a can.
>
> I don't remember which issue but the concept is
> simple enough...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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I have successfully sprayed Minwax Polycrylic (which is an indoor acrlic
finish) with an HVLP sprayer. It sprays nicest with no thinning.
This was for kitchen cabinets - not an airplane. The Polycrylic dries in two
hours, repeat, hours, and is water-based, so clean-up was easy and I had no
worries of explosion in the shop. I tested the dried Polycrylic with water
and it held up well. Must confess, though, I didn't weight the sample before
and after. But the finish sample didn't degrade after a week in the water.
I'd think this would work perfectly well for covered parts. But the
directions say to sand between coats, so that might be an issue.
For many finishes, you can buy small jars or cans. That lets you try a few.
David Paule
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Any suggestions for a portable intercom that works well in the open
cockpit environment?
Perry Rhoads
N12939
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I've had one of PS Engineering Aerocom (II, I think) units for 10+ years, after
flying with assorted others, before I bought that one. The magic for me was that
the Aerocom was the only unit I could find with separate squelch controls
for the pilot and the co-pilot. In the Cub with the door open, the noise levels
between the front and rear seats varies greatly. The single-squelch units always
seemed to either be always open or annoyingly difficult to open (having to
cluck into the mic before speaking).
Good mics really help, too.
I haven't kept up with PS Engineering's offerings, but I think they're still around.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Rhoads
Sent: Jan 28, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Intercom
Any suggestions for a portable intercom that works well in the open cockpit environment?
Perry Rhoads
N12939
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Perry
if you are electronic capable, do an google on "intercom schematics"
otherwise there are several commercial solutions that revolve around
motorcycle intercoms, also many of the GMRS radios can be fitted with
headsets
Jake
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Perry,
I got myself a FLIGHTECH ITC-401/1-ENRI from Aircraft Spruce. It's got
an automatic electronic noise cancelling circuit - no squelch necessary.
It works pretty well, but I had to switch the pilot/passenger input
plugs since the front seat and back seat receive different amounts of
engine noise.
I'd also recommend buying/sewing/building some mic muff covers. Someone
here used 35mm camera cannisters with good success. I bought some
naugahyde covers from Oregon Aero and I think ACS has some, too. They
cut down on the noise caused by wind over the mics.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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I have also used the Polycrylic, but not on airplane parts...yet.- I may,
not sure at this point.- Mike Cuy will chime in soon, I'm sure, but I be
lieve he used off the shelf Home Depot type spar varnish. He also used a pu
mp up style weed killer sprayer as well. (again hardware store type.) I pla
n on using said sprayer myself on most items, but will hand varnish/stain t
he fuselage. I plan on using the water based Stewart's stuff for fabric/adh
esive, so I would venture a guess that the Polycrylic would work fine. As m
ost of the wood is covered, I don't think one needs to go overboard on mult
iple coats, armor clad type varnish.- Not there yet, so I still have home
work to do...
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, David Paule <dpaule@frii.com> wrote:
From: David Paule <dpaule@frii.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I have successfully sprayed Minwax Polycrylic (which is an indoor acrlic fi
nish) with an HVLP sprayer. It sprays nicest with no thinning.
This was for kitchen cabinets - not an airplane. The Polycrylic dries in tw
o hours, repeat, hours, and is water-based, so clean-up was easy and I had
no worries of explosion in the shop. I tested the dried Polycrylic with wat
er and it held up well. Must confess, though, I didn't weight the sample be
fore and after. But the finish sample didn't degrade after a week in the wa
ter.
I'd think this would work perfectly well for covered parts. But the directi
ons say to sand between coats, so that might be an issue.
For many finishes, you can buy small jars or cans. That lets you try a few.
David Paule
le, List Admin.
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My plan, when I get there, is to assemble the complete plane in my garage a
nd make sure it all fits together and that nothing has been missed. Then di
sassemble to varnish everything, laid out, in the garage. I don't like the
fact of having nicely varnished pieces laying around, getting moved around,
bumped, dinged, scraped, bolted/unbolted etc. Or find out a piece of plywo
od spacer needs to be epoxied in and now that varnish needs to be sanded...
or some other hick-up.
=C2-
I agree that smaller items such as the various tail pieces can be done soon
er rather then later. we'll see...not there yet.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Man, that=99s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time.=C2- Given
that varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you mi
ght do better to be varnishing one portion while working on building anothe
r =93 for example, put a coat of varnish on your spars while working
on the fuselage.
=C2-
You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything.=C2- Whether us
ing epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varni
sh (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish
(check to make sure it won=99t be lifted by the covering materials),
you will get best protection by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with r
educer so it will soak into the wood more easily.=C2- Then put a full str
ength coat over that.=C2- Make sure you get into all the little nooks and
crannies (what exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), pa
rticularly in the ribs and tail section.
=C2-
Just my 2=C2=A2 worth.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
=C2-
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cab
les and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Varnishing under metal fittings=C2-is the proper procedure. Don't forget
to varnish inside all bolt holes.
=C2-
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns@att.net
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
=C2-
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)=C2
-completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.=C2- Is this
ok or is this going to screw something up?
=C2-
Chris
Sacramento , CA
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I ended up brushing my wings. I was amazed how much varnish it took. I
used over 3 quarts brushed on. I can't imagine how much it would take
if you sprayed it.. Just a note, you can buy a gallon of spar varnish
cheaper than you can buy 3 quarts.. if I had only known.
Ben Charvet
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
>
> I was thinking more on the lines of spraying varnish out of the gallon can through
my industrial paint sprayer, I would think the varnish would be too thick
to spray through my automotive paint sprayer.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. |
My A-65 is back together and running well, so I've rescheduled my
inspection for Feb 12. The recent posted tips were very timely. I'm
having the FAA come out. He mentioned he would want to see the engine
run long enough to see the oil temp come off the peg. The A-75 on my
Baby Ace takes forever to warm up. Any advice on this, and how it will
fit in with my break-in?
Ben Charvet
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| Subject: | Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. |
Ben,
Glad to hear your Piet is ready. I would like to come down again and take a
look at it (you shouldn't have fed me the pizza). I just finished a Rans
S6S and am getting it inspected tomorrow. After that I'll have to get
tailwheel lessons and fly off the 40 hrs. Good luck on your inspection.
I'm still working on the Piet in Ohio.
Tim White
Woods and Lakes, Ocklawaha, Fl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled.
>
> My A-65 is back together and running well, so I've rescheduled my
> inspection for Feb 12. The recent posted tips were very timely. I'm
> having the FAA come out. He mentioned he would want to see the engine run
> long enough to see the oil temp come off the peg. The A-75 on my Baby Ace
> takes forever to warm up. Any advice on this, and how it will fit in with
> my break-in?
>
> Ben Charvet
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. |
-
-
Could you not have the engine somewhat warm by the time he shows up? Maybe
he wants to see a cold start.
> My A-65 is back together and running well, so I've rescheduled my inspect
ion for Feb 12.- The recent posted tips were very timely.- I'm having t
he FAA come out.- He mentioned he would want to see the engine run long e
nough to see the oil temp come off the peg.- The A-75 on my Baby Ace take
s forever to warm up.- Any advice on this, and how it will fit in with my
break-in?
>
> Ben Charvet
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled |
Ben; I had the same thing with my A65... it wouldn't
come off the peg (oil temp) until I was in the air
sometimes, and if I sat on the ground with it at
idle, it would take forever. Maybe you can pre-warm
the engine before the inspector arrives? However,
if you're just breaking in the engine after a major,
it shouldn't be idled around very much. On my
freshly-majored A75, my mechanic advised against
puttering around and ground running until after
the rings were seated and the cam followers
and everything got lubed and seated in. I did have
a few short ground tests to make sure there were
no leaks or other problems (good thing, too, since
I had a leak at one of the oil gallery plugs and
could have pumped all the oil overboard if I'd been
in the air).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 |
Shad, Weather permitting Ed Delancy and I plan to fly our Piets to Sentimental
Journey that Wednesday and than on the Chapman on the Friday. Maybe Dave Stephens
and his Corvair Piet also, but that is a longshot.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: 1/27/2010 10:30:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-in this June.
I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in, or driving in. My proposed
date is Saturday June 19, the day before father's day. If people want
to tent camp thats fine with me, however I do not have room for big rv's. I
am planning on having people bring a dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I
will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers. I have a big dinning canopy
and will get some tables and chairs so we can get out of the sun, and will get
the hanger cleaned up as well. Don I know you mentioned wanting to camp out,
and possibly flying down on friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also
pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on attending
and I will get er done.
Shad
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| Subject: | Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled |
That's the same thing I was thinking, Oscar. Ben I think you should tell
the inspector that:
1. A-65s take a LONG time to come up to temp when the weather is cool (I
know, you're in Florida, but even there it probably isn't out of the 70's
2. Having just done an overhaul, your engine is not broken in and prolonged
ground-running (as will be required to move the oil temp) will be
detrimental to getting the rings to seat properly.
3. Promise him that you will monitor oil temp on your first few test
flights.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled
Ben; I had the same thing with my A65... it wouldn't
come off the peg (oil temp) until I was in the air
sometimes, and if I sat on the ground with it at
idle, it would take forever. Maybe you can pre-warm
the engine before the inspector arrives? However,
if you're just breaking in the engine after a major,
it shouldn't be idled around very much. On my
freshly-majored A75, my mechanic advised against
puttering around and ground running until after
the rings were seated and the cam followers
and everything got lubed and seated in. I did have
a few short ground tests to make sure there were
no leaks or other problems (good thing, too, since
I had a leak at one of the oil gallery plugs and
could have pumped all the oil overboard if I'd been
in the air).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I use a cheap spraygun that has a screw on cannister. It pressurizes when
the gun is in use. It sprays varnish without thinning very good. I use 20 #.
30# if outdoors where overspray is not a deal. I think it's called an internal
mix. My small compressor keeps up with it nicely. I have a Binks that
would work great but I no longer have a big compressor. It wants 8 or 10 CFM.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
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You guys crack me up with some of your responses.
I'm with Mike P. on this, as I plan on building and fit everything
before it gets varnished, sealed, coated and what not. I was just
worried that removing the wires and fittings would mess up the trueness
of the wing but after looking at Jack Texters pictures I think I will be
fine. Thanks for the pictures on your website Jack.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
My plan, when I get there, is to assemble the complete plane in
my garage and make sure it all fits together and that nothing has been
missed. Then disassemble to varnish everything, laid out, in the garage.
I don't like the fact of having nicely varnished pieces laying around,
getting moved around, bumped, dinged, scraped, bolted/unbolted etc. Or
find out a piece of plywood spacer needs to be epoxied in and now that
varnish needs to be sanded...or some other hick-up.
I agree that smaller items such as the various tail pieces can
be done sooner rather then later. we'll see...not there yet.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 9:11 AM
Man, that=99s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one
time. Given that varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry
between coats, you might do better to be varnishing one portion while
working on building another =93 for example, put a coat of varnish
on your spars while working on the fuselage.
You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything.
Whether using epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part
polyurethane varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of
polyurethane spar varnish (check to make sure it won=99t be lifted
by the covering materials), you will get best protection by thinning the
first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the wood more
easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you get
into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference
between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail
section.
Just my 2=C2=A2 worth.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all
fitted together cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just
prior to covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure.
Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
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From: catdesigns@att.net
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my
wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the
wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento , CA
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