---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/28/10: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:15 AM - Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" (Xhalin1212) 2. 04:47 AM - Re: Wing (gcardinal) 3. 05:16 AM - Re: Wing (Jack) 4. 05:19 AM - Re: Wing (Michael Perez) 5. 05:35 AM - Re: Wing (Jim Markle) 6. 05:44 AM - Re: Wing (Gene Rambo) 7. 06:01 AM - Re: Wing (H RULE) 8. 06:06 AM - Hampton Inn - Rockford (K5YAC) 9. 06:14 AM - Re: Wing (Jack Phillips) 10. 06:46 AM - Re: Wing (TOM STINEMETZE) 11. 06:48 AM - Re: Wing (Jim Markle) 12. 06:48 AM - Wing (Oscar Zuniga) 13. 07:06 AM - Re: Wing (greg menoche) 14. 07:15 AM - Re: Wing (Jim Markle) 15. 07:32 AM - Re: Wing (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 16. 08:08 AM - Re: Wing (Jeff Boatright) 17. 08:17 AM - Re: Wing (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 18. 08:45 AM - Wing (Oscar Zuniga) 19. 08:48 AM - Re: Brodhead '10 (Dan Yocum) 20. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Wing (Jack) 21. 09:20 AM - Re: Wing (Ryan Mueller) 22. 09:42 AM - Re: Wing (David Paule) 23. 09:48 AM - Intercom (Perry Rhoads) 24. 10:08 AM - Re: Intercom (Jim Ash) 25. 10:12 AM - Re: Intercom (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 26. 10:14 AM - Re: Intercom (Dan Yocum) 27. 11:09 AM - Re: Wing (Michael Perez) 28. 11:40 AM - Re: Wing (Michael Perez) 29. 11:51 AM - Re: Wing (Ben Charvet) 30. 11:54 AM - Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. (Ben Charvet) 31. 12:11 PM - Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. (Tim White) 32. 12:44 PM - Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. (Michael Perez) 33. 12:50 PM - Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled (Oscar Zuniga) 34. 12:59 PM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 (Skip Gadd) 35. 01:23 PM - Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled (Jack Phillips) 36. 01:30 PM - Re: Wing (Jerry Dotson) 37. 06:43 PM - Re: Wing () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" From: "Xhalin1212" If you chose to do a MEL, be aware that if anything you put on the list does not work, you cannot legally fly the aircraft. I would not put anything other than Altimeter, Airspeed, Tachometer, oil pressure gauge on it. As stated above, you do not need one for your aircraft. Sometimes, Inspectors will ask for one just to see what you say or do. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283740#283740 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:41 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesigns@att.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:35 AM PST US From: Jack Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Q-tips work well for holes... Jack DSM Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, "gcardinal" wrote: > Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't > forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. > > Greg Cardinal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: catdesigns@att.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing > > For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3- > piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. > Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:07 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cab les and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote: From: gcardinal Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Varnishing under metal fittings-is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. - Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesigns@att.net Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)-co mpletely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.- Is this ok or i s this going to screw something up? - Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:23 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Agree, and Q-tips hold a LOT of varnish. I also found that an eye liner brush does a good job. jm -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Jan 28, 2010 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Q-tips work well for holes...JackDSM Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, "gcardinal" wrote: Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesigns@att.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:02 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing except, don't forget, once the leading edge plywood is on, you cannot get the forward strut fitting off. Varnish under that one and install before installing leading edge. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesigns@att.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:23 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Jim I had no idea you used eye liner.When last we met, it didn't even show - ;-)=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Jim Markle =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matron ics.com=0ASent: Thu, January 28, 2010 8:34:07 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-L @mindspring.com>=0A=0AAgree, and Q-tips hold a LOT of varnish.- I also fo und that an eye liner brush does a good job.=0A=0Ajm=0A=0A-----Original Mes sage-----=0A=0AFrom: Jack =0A=0ASent: Jan 28, 2010 7:14 AM=0A=0ATo: "pieten pol-list@matronics.com" =0A=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing=0A=0A=0A=0A Q-tips work well for holes...JackDSM=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0AOn Jan 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, "gcardinal" wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0AVar nishing under metal =0Afittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to va rnish inside all bolt =0Aholes.=0A=0AGreg =0ACardinal=0A=0A- ----- Origin al Message ----- =0A- From: =0A- catdesigns@att.net =0A- To: pietenpo l-list@matronics.com =0A- =0A- Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 =0A- AM=0A- Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing=0A- =0A=0A- For all you w ing builders, I am planing on =0A- building my wings (3-piece) completely =0A- then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.- Is this ok or is this =0A- going to screw something up?=0A- =0A- Chris=0ASacramento, =0A- CA=0AWestCoastPiet.com=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A=0A=0A=0A ======================= ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hampton Inn - Rockford From: "K5YAC" Most of you probably know this... some may not. If anyone is planning to attend the Brodhead Pietenpol Fly In and will need a place to stay, the Hilton chain is offering pretty good discounts if you book by January 31. Last year, my family and I stayed at the Rockford Hampton Inn (recommended by John Recine). It was very clean and comfortable, and they have a hot complimentary breakfast. Just wanted to mention it in case someone wasn't aware. We sure are looking forward to the Fly In. Hope they have plenty of turd closets. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283752#283752 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:22 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Man, that=92s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do better to be varnishing one portion while working on building another ' for example, put a coat of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage. You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make sure it won=92t be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail section. Just my 2=A2 worth. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote: From: gcardinal Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesigns@att.net Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:33 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing (what exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?) This is why we love the internet so much! cranny [krn] n pl -niesa narrow opening, as in a wall or rock face; chink; crevice (esp in the phrase every nook and cranny)[from Old French cran notch, fissure; compare crenel] nook(nook) noun a corner of a room, or a part of a room cut off from the main part a breakfast nook a small recess or secluded spot; retreat Etymology: ME (chiefly Northern) nok, akin to Norw nakke, a hook, ON hnekkja, to hem in, drive back, OE hnecca, the neck ( http://www.yourdictionary.com/neck ) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:00 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing I don't use eye liner. Haven't for years... -----Original Message----- From: H RULE Sent: Jan 28, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Jim I had no idea you used eye liner.When last we met, it didn't even show ;-) do not archive From: Jim Markle Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 8:34:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Agree, and Q-tips hold a LOT of varnish. I also found that an eye liner brush does a good job. jm -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Jan 28, 2010 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Q-tips work well for holes...JackDSM Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, "gcardinal" wrote: Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesigns@att.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chttp://www.matronics. -Matt Drall========= ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:00 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Jim wrote- >I also found that an eye liner brush >does a good job. Hmmm... don't ask/don't tell, eh? Oscar Zuniga do not archive Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:08 AM PST US From: greg menoche Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish instead of Qtip and brush method? Greg Menoche -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do better to be varnishing one portion while working on building another for example, put a coat of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage. You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make sure it wont be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail section. Just my 2 worth. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote: From: gcardinal Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesigns@att.net Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >Group, >On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on >rather than brushed on? It seems it would be >much faster and easier, unless the varnish is >too thick to spray. > >Brian >SLC-UT > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] >On Behalf Of Jim Markle >Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing > > >Some have just put one coat of varnish on to >save on weight. Or grind off any varnish OR >epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save >weight. > >Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of >quantity and I wonder how you would keep all >those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from >retaining little puddles? > >Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent >hand brushing would save some weight...and on >the Pietenpol it ALL adds up! > >jm > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: greg menoche >>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a >>pan of varnish instead of Qtip and brush >>method? Greg Menoche >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jack Phillips >>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Man, that's a LOT of varnishing to be done at >>one time. Given that varnish takes a long time >>(several days) to dry between coats, you might >>do better to be varnishing one portion while >>working on building another - for example, put >>a coat of varnish on your spars while working >>on the fuselage. >> >>You will want at least two coats of varnish on >>everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my >>personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane >>varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot >>variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to >>make sure it won't be lifted by the covering >>materials), you will get best protection by >>thinning the first coat about 50/50 with >>reducer so it will soak into the wood more >>easily. Then put a full strength coat over >>that. Make sure you get into all the little >>nooks and crannies (what exactly is the >>difference between a nook and a cranny?), >>particularly in the ribs and tail section. >> >>Just my 2 worth. >> >>Jack Phillips >>NX899JP >>Raleigh, NC >> >> >> >> >> >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] >>On Behalf Of Michael Perez >>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >> >> >> >>I plan to build the complete plane, minus >>covering, all fitted together cables and all. >>THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to >>covering. >> >>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote: >> >>From: gcardinal >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM >> >> >>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper >>procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all >>bolt holes. > > >> >> >>Greg Cardinal >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: catdesigns@att.net >> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM >> >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >> >>For all you wing builders, I am planing on >>building my wings (3-piece) completely then >>take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is >>this ok or is this going to screw something up? >> >> >> >>Chris >>Sacramento, CA >>WestCoastPiet.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >>" target=_blank >>rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank >>rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>font-size:10.0pt;color:black; >>Subscription,>font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================>style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black; >>Forums!http://forums.matronics.com>style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black; >>support!http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:41 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing I was thinking more on the lines of spraying varnish out of the gallon can through my industrial paint sprayer, I would think the varnish would be too thick to spray through my automotive paint sprayer. Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing I'm interested in this, too. Many types of "varnish" are available in spray cans. Some are true oil-based varnishes (Cabot sells this). Others are urethane (just about all the major players like Krylon sell their version of this), and I guess there could be other types. One big concern I have about this use is whether the solvents and propellants are compatible with whatever glue you are using. Most of us use epoxy, but many still use rescorcinol, and still others are exploring the newer one-part glues. I would not assume that the solvent mix in a spray can is the same as the solvent in brush can, even for the same varnish by the same maker. Of course, this may just be paranoia. Does anyone have experience with the various spray varnishes? > >Group, >On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on >rather than brushed on? It seems it would be >much faster and easier, unless the varnish is >too thick to spray. > >Brian >SLC-UT > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] >On Behalf Of Jim Markle >Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing > > >Some have just put one coat of varnish on to >save on weight. Or grind off any varnish OR >epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save >weight. > >Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of >quantity and I wonder how you would keep all >those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from >retaining little puddles? > >Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent >hand brushing would save some weight...and on >the Pietenpol it ALL adds up! > >jm > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: greg menoche >>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a >>pan of varnish instead of Qtip and brush >>method? Greg Menoche >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jack Phillips >>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Man, that's a LOT of varnishing to be done at >>one time. Given that varnish takes a long time >>(several days) to dry between coats, you might >>do better to be varnishing one portion while >>working on building another - for example, put >>a coat of varnish on your spars while working >>on the fuselage. >> >>You will want at least two coats of varnish on >>everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my >>personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane >>varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot >>variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to >>make sure it won't be lifted by the covering >>materials), you will get best protection by >>thinning the first coat about 50/50 with >>reducer so it will soak into the wood more >>easily. Then put a full strength coat over >>that. Make sure you get into all the little >>nooks and crannies (what exactly is the >>difference between a nook and a cranny?), >>particularly in the ribs and tail section. >> >>Just my 2 worth. >> >>Jack Phillips >>NX899JP >>Raleigh, NC >> >> >> >> >> >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] >>On Behalf Of Michael Perez >>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >> >> >> >>I plan to build the complete plane, minus >>covering, all fitted together cables and all. >>THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to >>covering. >> >>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote: >> >>From: gcardinal >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM >> >> >>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper >>procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all >>bolt holes. > > >> >> >>Greg Cardinal >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: catdesigns@att.net >> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM >> >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >> >>For all you wing builders, I am planing on >>building my wings (3-piece) completely then >>take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is >>this ok or is this going to screw something up? >> >> >> >>Chris >>Sacramento, CA >>WestCoastPiet.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >>" target=_blank >>rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank >>rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>font-size:10.0pt;color:black; >>Subscription,>font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================>style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black; >>Forums!http://forums.matronics.com>style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black; >>support!http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:14 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Greg asked- >could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish >instead of Qtip and brush method? Just to throw out another idea, there was an article and photos in one of the old newsletters where a builder connected a pump-type oil can to a paintbrush with some clear tubing and pumped varnish to the brush as he went, which is much faster than dipping the brush in a can. I don't remember which issue but the concept is simple enough... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:42 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '10 Dan, Douwe, I knew I had this info laying around somewhere... per AC 20-27G, paragraph 14, section c.: "Location. You may suggest the location of a flight test area to the FAA. If the FAA approves your suggestion, they will specify it in your operating limitations. Usually, the flight test area should be within a 25-statute-mile radius from your aircrafts base of operation. Under 91.305, the flight test is required to be over open water or sparsely populated areas with light air traffic so it does not pose a hazard to persons or property on the ground. You can ask us to help you pick a suitable area to ensure adequate airspace for flight testing." Since Kevin got a 50mi radius, asking for what you want should be no big deal. AC 20-27G is here: http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2020-27G.pdf Another circular that you'll be interested in is AC 90-89A, the Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook. It's here: http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2090-89A.pdf (Douwe - this AC has a full section on W&B as well as some advice on Equipment) Cheers, Dan On 01/25/2010 12:25 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Oh good, my circle just shrank to 30 miles. > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Mueller > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 11:28 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '10 > > FYI, Skyvector.com says 28.9 nm from C77 to C37.... > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM, > wrote: > > Guys, > Hopefully I will be there with my completed Piet. I still have to > fabricate cockpit combing and apply finish color paint/trim. Then > fly-off the 40 hours. But I have a trick up my sleeve on that one > maybe. Can I specify a 40 mile circle from my home airport for the > 40 hour fly-off? If so I could fly it over to Brod even though I may > be short of the 40 hours. Anybody know? > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > * > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > > =================================== > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =================================== > tp://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > * > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:05 AM PST US From: Jack Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Sprayed my wings, Ace spar varnish diluted 10 percent Jack DSM Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:31 AM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote: > > Group, > On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on rather than brushed > on? It seems it would be much faster and easier, unless the varnish > is too thick to spray. > > Brian > SLC-UT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing > > > > > Some have just put one coat of varnish on to save on weight. Or > grind off any varnish OR epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save > weight. > > Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of quantity and I wonder > how you would keep all those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from > retaining little puddles? > > Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent hand brushing would > save some weight...and on the Pietenpol it ALL adds up! > > jm > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: greg menoche >> Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> > >> >> To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish >> instead of Qtip and brush method? Greg Menoche >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jack Phillips >> Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given tha >> t varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, y >> ou might do better to be varnishing one portion while working on b >> uilding another for example, put a coat of varnish on your spars >> while working on the fuselage. >> >> You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether >> using epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part >> polyurethane varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of >> polyurethane spar varnish (check to make sure it wont be lifted b >> y the covering materials), you will get best protection by thinnin >> g the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the >> wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make >> sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly >> is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in >> the ribs and tail section. >> >> Just my 2 worth. >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP >> Raleigh, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- >> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >> >> >> >> I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted >> together cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just >> prior to covering. >> >> --- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote: >> >> From: gcardinal >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM >> >> >> Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't >> forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. >> >> >> >> Greg Cardinal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: catdesigns@att.net >> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing >> >> >> >> For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3- >> piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. >> Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? >> >> >> >> Chris >> Sacramento, CA >> WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com >> ">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow >> >http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > Subscription,> font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing From: Ryan Mueller Oscar, I can picture that article...unfortunately I don't have my stack of newsletters here at work (I really don't know why :P). Here is a short article from an old Sport Av that covers that same technique.... Ryan On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Greg asked- > > >could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish > >instead of Qtip and brush method? > > Just to throw out another idea, there was an > article and photos in one of the old newsletters > where a builder connected a pump-type oil can > to a paintbrush with some clear tubing and > pumped varnish to the brush as he went, which > is much faster than dipping the brush in a can. > > I don't remember which issue but the concept is > simple enough... > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:12 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing I have successfully sprayed Minwax Polycrylic (which is an indoor acrlic finish) with an HVLP sprayer. It sprays nicest with no thinning. This was for kitchen cabinets - not an airplane. The Polycrylic dries in two hours, repeat, hours, and is water-based, so clean-up was easy and I had no worries of explosion in the shop. I tested the dried Polycrylic with water and it held up well. Must confess, though, I didn't weight the sample before and after. But the finish sample didn't degrade after a week in the water. I'd think this would work perfectly well for covered parts. But the directions say to sand between coats, so that might be an issue. For many finishes, you can buy small jars or cans. That lets you try a few. David Paule ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:28 AM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Intercom Any suggestions for a portable intercom that works well in the open cockpit environment? Perry Rhoads N12939 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:00 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Intercom I've had one of PS Engineering Aerocom (II, I think) units for 10+ years, after flying with assorted others, before I bought that one. The magic for me was that the Aerocom was the only unit I could find with separate squelch controls for the pilot and the co-pilot. In the Cub with the door open, the noise levels between the front and rear seats varies greatly. The single-squelch units always seemed to either be always open or annoyingly difficult to open (having to cluck into the mic before speaking). Good mics really help, too. I haven't kept up with PS Engineering's offerings, but I think they're still around. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: Perry Rhoads Sent: Jan 28, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Intercom Any suggestions for a portable intercom that works well in the open cockpit environment? Perry Rhoads N12939 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Intercom From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com Perry if you are electronic capable, do an google on "intercom schematics" otherwise there are several commercial solutions that revolve around motorcycle intercoms, also many of the GMRS radios can be fitted with headsets Jake "Perry Rhoads" Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 01/28/2010 11:47 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com To cc Subject Pietenpol-List: Intercom Any suggestions for a portable intercom that works well in the open cockpit environment? Perry Rhoads N12939 ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageL abs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:05 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Intercom Perry, I got myself a FLIGHTECH ITC-401/1-ENRI from Aircraft Spruce. It's got an automatic electronic noise cancelling circuit - no squelch necessary. It works pretty well, but I had to switch the pilot/passenger input plugs since the front seat and back seat receive different amounts of engine noise. I'd also recommend buying/sewing/building some mic muff covers. Someone here used 35mm camera cannisters with good success. I bought some naugahyde covers from Oregon Aero and I think ACS has some, too. They cut down on the noise caused by wind over the mics. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:38 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing I have also used the Polycrylic, but not on airplane parts...yet.- I may, not sure at this point.- Mike Cuy will chime in soon, I'm sure, but I be lieve he used off the shelf Home Depot type spar varnish. He also used a pu mp up style weed killer sprayer as well. (again hardware store type.) I pla n on using said sprayer myself on most items, but will hand varnish/stain t he fuselage. I plan on using the water based Stewart's stuff for fabric/adh esive, so I would venture a guess that the Polycrylic would work fine. As m ost of the wood is covered, I don't think one needs to go overboard on mult iple coats, armor clad type varnish.- Not there yet, so I still have home work to do... --- On Thu, 1/28/10, David Paule wrote: From: David Paule Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing I have successfully sprayed Minwax Polycrylic (which is an indoor acrlic fi nish) with an HVLP sprayer. It sprays nicest with no thinning. This was for kitchen cabinets - not an airplane. The Polycrylic dries in tw o hours, repeat, hours, and is water-based, so clean-up was easy and I had no worries of explosion in the shop. I tested the dried Polycrylic with wat er and it held up well. Must confess, though, I didn't weight the sample be fore and after. But the finish sample didn't degrade after a week in the wa ter. I'd think this would work perfectly well for covered parts. But the directi ons say to sand between coats, so that might be an issue. For many finishes, you can buy small jars or cans. That lets you try a few. David Paule le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:26 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing My plan, when I get there, is to assemble the complete plane in my garage a nd make sure it all fits together and that nothing has been missed. Then di sassemble to varnish everything, laid out, in the garage. I don't like the fact of having nicely varnished pieces laying around, getting moved around, bumped, dinged, scraped, bolted/unbolted etc. Or find out a piece of plywo od spacer needs to be epoxied in and now that varnish needs to be sanded... or some other hick-up. =C2- I agree that smaller items such as the various tail pieces can be done soon er rather then later. we'll see...not there yet. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Man, that=99s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time.=C2- Given that varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you mi ght do better to be varnishing one portion while working on building anothe r =93 for example, put a coat of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage. =C2- You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything.=C2- Whether us ing epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varni sh (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make sure it won=99t be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with r educer so it will soak into the wood more easily.=C2- Then put a full str ength coat over that.=C2- Make sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), pa rticularly in the ribs and tail section. =C2- Just my 2=C2=A2 worth. =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing =C2- I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cab les and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote: From: gcardinal Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Varnishing under metal fittings=C2-is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. =C2- Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesigns@att.net Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing =C2- For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)=C2 -completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.=C2- Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? =C2- Chris Sacramento , CA WestCoastPiet.com =C2- =C2-href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P ietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="htt p://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.mat ronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =C2- =C2-" target =_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matr onics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contri bution =C2- ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:49 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing I ended up brushing my wings. I was amazed how much varnish it took. I used over 3 quarts brushed on. I can't imagine how much it would take if you sprayed it.. Just a note, you can buy a gallon of spar varnish cheaper than you can buy 3 quarts.. if I had only known. Ben Charvet brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote: > > I was thinking more on the lines of spraying varnish out of the gallon can through my industrial paint sprayer, I would think the varnish would be too thick to spray through my automotive paint sprayer. > > Brian > SLC-UT > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:13 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. My A-65 is back together and running well, so I've rescheduled my inspection for Feb 12. The recent posted tips were very timely. I'm having the FAA come out. He mentioned he would want to see the engine run long enough to see the oil temp come off the peg. The A-75 on my Baby Ace takes forever to warm up. Any advice on this, and how it will fit in with my break-in? Ben Charvet ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:24 PM PST US From: "Tim White" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. Ben, Glad to hear your Piet is ready. I would like to come down again and take a look at it (you shouldn't have fed me the pizza). I just finished a Rans S6S and am getting it inspected tomorrow. After that I'll have to get tailwheel lessons and fly off the 40 hrs. Good luck on your inspection. I'm still working on the Piet in Ohio. Tim White Woods and Lakes, Ocklawaha, Fl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. > > My A-65 is back together and running well, so I've rescheduled my > inspection for Feb 12. The recent posted tips were very timely. I'm > having the FAA come out. He mentioned he would want to see the engine run > long enough to see the oil temp come off the peg. The A-75 on my Baby Ace > takes forever to warm up. Any advice on this, and how it will fit in with > my break-in? > > Ben Charvet > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:27 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled. - - Could you not have the engine somewhat warm by the time he shows up? Maybe he wants to see a cold start. > My A-65 is back together and running well, so I've rescheduled my inspect ion for Feb 12.- The recent posted tips were very timely.- I'm having t he FAA come out.- He mentioned he would want to see the engine run long e nough to see the oil temp come off the peg.- The A-75 on my Baby Ace take s forever to warm up.- Any advice on this, and how it will fit in with my break-in? > > Ben Charvet > > > > le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:02 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled Ben; I had the same thing with my A65... it wouldn't come off the peg (oil temp) until I was in the air sometimes, and if I sat on the ground with it at idle, it would take forever. Maybe you can pre-warm the engine before the inspector arrives? However, if you're just breaking in the engine after a major, it shouldn't be idled around very much. On my freshly-majored A75, my mechanic advised against puttering around and ground running until after the rings were seated and the cam followers and everything got lubed and seated in. I did have a few short ground tests to make sure there were no leaks or other problems (good thing, too, since I had a leak at one of the oil gallery plugs and could have pumped all the oil overboard if I'd been in the air). Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:15 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Shad, Weather permitting Ed Delancy and I plan to fly our Piets to Sentimental Journey that Wednesday and than on the Chapman on the Friday. Maybe Dave Stephens and his Corvair Piet also, but that is a longshot. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: 1/27/2010 10:30:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010 Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-in this June. I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in, or driving in. My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day before father's day. If people want to tent camp thats fine with me, however I do not have room for big rv's. I am planning on having people bring a dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers. I have a big dinning canopy and will get some tables and chairs so we can get out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned up as well. Don I know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly flying down on friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on attending and I will get er done. Shad ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:15 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled That's the same thing I was thinking, Oscar. Ben I think you should tell the inspector that: 1. A-65s take a LONG time to come up to temp when the weather is cool (I know, you're in Florida, but even there it probably isn't out of the 70's 2. Having just done an overhaul, your engine is not broken in and prolonged ground-running (as will be required to move the oil temp) will be detrimental to getting the rings to seat properly. 3. Promise him that you will monitor oil temp on your first few test flights. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled Ben; I had the same thing with my A65... it wouldn't come off the peg (oil temp) until I was in the air sometimes, and if I sat on the ground with it at idle, it would take forever. Maybe you can pre-warm the engine before the inspector arrives? However, if you're just breaking in the engine after a major, it shouldn't be idled around very much. On my freshly-majored A75, my mechanic advised against puttering around and ground running until after the rings were seated and the cam followers and everything got lubed and seated in. I did have a few short ground tests to make sure there were no leaks or other problems (good thing, too, since I had a leak at one of the oil gallery plugs and could have pumped all the oil overboard if I'd been in the air). Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing From: "Jerry Dotson" I use a cheap spraygun that has a screw on cannister. It pressurizes when the gun is in use. It sprays varnish without thinning very good. I use 20 #. 30# if outdoors where overspray is not a deal. I think it's called an internal mix. My small compressor keeps up with it nicely. I have a Binks that would work great but I no longer have a big compressor. It wants 8 or 10 CFM. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283845#283845 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:07 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing You guys crack me up with some of your responses. I'm with Mike P. on this, as I plan on building and fit everything before it gets varnished, sealed, coated and what not. I was just worried that removing the wires and fittings would mess up the trueness of the wing but after looking at Jack Texters pictures I think I will be fine. Thanks for the pictures on your website Jack. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing My plan, when I get there, is to assemble the complete plane in my garage and make sure it all fits together and that nothing has been missed. Then disassemble to varnish everything, laid out, in the garage. I don't like the fact of having nicely varnished pieces laying around, getting moved around, bumped, dinged, scraped, bolted/unbolted etc. Or find out a piece of plywood spacer needs to be epoxied in and now that varnish needs to be sanded...or some other hick-up. I agree that smaller items such as the various tail pieces can be done sooner rather then later. we'll see...not there yet. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 9:11 AM Man, that=99s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do better to be varnishing one portion while working on building another =93 for example, put a coat of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage. You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make sure it won=99t be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail section. Just my 2=C2=A2 worth. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote: From: gcardinal Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesigns@att.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up? 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