---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/02/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:44 AM - NX799B (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 05:53 AM - Re: Ken Perkin's Ford A (Pieti Lowell) 3. 06:31 AM - Aluminum model A head.... (Jim Markle) 4. 07:19 AM - Bending Metal (chase143) 5. 08:07 AM - Re: My new 613.5 airfoil jig! (dgaldrich) 6. 08:14 AM - Re: Bending Metal (Ed G.) 7. 08:39 AM - Re: Bending Metal (tkreiner) 8. 08:45 AM - Re: Bending Metal (Gary Boothe) 9. 09:14 AM - Re: Bending Metal (Catdesigns) 10. 09:16 AM - Re: Bending Metal (chase143) 11. 09:32 AM - Re: Aluminum model A head.... (Jack) 12. 09:45 AM - Re: Aluminum model A head.... (Jim Markle) 13. 09:53 AM - Re: Aluminum model A head.... (Ryan Mueller) 14. 01:58 PM - Re: A neat seat idea from a Seattle, WA Piet builder (Wayne Bressler) 15. 02:24 PM - Re: A neat seat idea from a Seattle, WA Piet builder (Wayne Bressler) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:57 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX799B Thanks everybody for the kind words! Mike, I am going to base it up the river a bit from Lee Bottom. Ck your charts for "Crawdaddy" right by Carrolton on the river. Beautiful little private strip, flat as can be with nice approaches and 3100' long!! ...and lots of flat fields around... I'll send a pic to Dan Helsper to post since I can't seem to post photos somehow. I'll wait until after inspection and then put the sheet metal back on so it kinda looks done. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ken Perkin's Ford A From: "Pieti Lowell" If one can find a Funk Al head, it gives a 6.25 : 1 compression. I milled mine to give a 7 : 1, Works on an A or B. My first A would just turn 1800,and installing the Funk head, before milling, it turned 2100 and hauled 2 people very easily. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284568#284568 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:37 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum model A head.... I've got one of those fancy aluminum dual plug Model A heads (got it in a box of engine parts I bought 5 years ago) just sitting on my shelf. If someone talks to Ken, let him know he's more than welcome to use it if he wants. Not interested in selling it but it will just sit there for (at LEAST) a few years. I would love to have someone actually use it rather than have it just sitting collecting dust. JM -----Original Message----- >From: Pieti Lowell >Sent: Feb 2, 2010 8:51 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ken Perkin's Ford A > > >If one can find a Funk Al head, it gives a 6.25 : 1 compression. I milled mine to give a 7 : 1, Works on an A or B. >My first A would just turn 1800,and installing the Funk head, before milling, it turned 2100 and hauled 2 people very easily. >Pieti Lowell > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284568#284568 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending Metal From: "chase143" Hello All, Im bending the metal stabilizer attachment pieces using a small brake and getting good results. For my own piece of mind; should I have heated these when bending, or is cold bending (or the proper term) acceptable? I guess this applies to other pieces I will be making soon as well. Thanks, Steve Southern Maryland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284587#284587 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My new 613.5 airfoil jig! From: "dgaldrich" I already have the pile of 1/2 x 1/4 sticks and would love to have a jig. I had planned on using a 612 airfoil but would be amenable to the 613.5. Under that assumption that the Riblett airfoils are not protected by copyright/patent laws. I would think that a properly written release prior to sale would protect you from legal liabilities, especially in the experimental world. If you do get involved in the Type Certified biz, don't forget that Chief's/Champs also used wood ribs. Good luck in any event. Dave Aldrich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284598#284598 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:38 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending Metal Hi Steve They don't need to be heated but they should have a small radius to the bend to prevent cracking. Most metal brakes that I have used do not have a means of making a radius=2C they make a hard 90 degree bend which i s not good. If your brake doesn't make a hard bend then you're good to go. Ed G. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending Metal > From: chase143@aol.com > Date: Tue=2C 2 Feb 2010 07:18:09 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Hello All=2C > I=99m bending the metal stabilizer attachment pieces using a small brake and getting good results. For my own piece of mind=3B should I have h eated these when bending=2C or is cold bending (or the proper term) accepta ble? I guess this applies to other pieces I will be making soon as well. > > Thanks=2C > Steve > Southern Maryland > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284587#284587 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending Metal From: "tkreiner" Steve, To prevent cracking while bending the parts, make sure the bend radius is at least 1 material thickness, and up to 3 thicknesses. When I bend thin sheet materials (less than .25 thk.), I generally use 1.5 to 2 thicknesses as the bend radius. BTW, when you cut the pieces, make sure the grain of the metal is perpendicular to the bend line. Bending parallel to the grain almost always causes cracking, and reduces the strength of the finished part. After bending, inspect with a loup to make sure no cracks have formed. If there are any, discard the piece, and remake it, using a larger bend radius. Any pieces that are going to be flight critical, i.e., cabane, engine & strut fitting, landing gear brackets, etc., should have all edges sanded smooth (almost polished) after bending. This will help prevent crack propogation from the edges of the piece. My company, KCS Development, is in the process of putting together a complete Pietenpol metal fitting kit, which will be manufactured using all of the above techniques, and more. Please feel free to contact me offline if I can be of assistance. Tom Kreiner -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284606#284606 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:07 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending Metal Ed, Good point on the bending brakes. Steve, I filed my backing bar to a 1/8=9D radius. If I need a larger radius I insert extra metal Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed G. Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:14 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending Metal Hi Steve They don't need to be heated but they should have a small radius to the bend to prevent cracking. Most metal brakes that I have used do not have a means of making a radius, they make a hard 90 degree bend which is not good. If your brake doesn't make a hard bend then you're good to go. Ed G. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending Metal > From: chase143@aol.com > Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:18:09 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Hello All, > I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m bending the metal stabilizer attachment pieces using a small brake and getting good results. For my own piece of mind; should I have heated these when bending, or is cold bending (or the proper term) acceptable? I guess this applies to other pieces I will be making soon as well. > > Thanks, > Steve > Southern Maryland > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284587#284587 > > > > > > > >=========== > > > _____ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.w'>Sign up now. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending Metal From: "Catdesigns" I found when squishing the ends of tubing for the rudder bar I would get cracks and poor looking ends when done cold. Heating to red and using a piece of 0.090 slipped into the end during the squish made a perfect looking end. If you dont already know Tony Bingelis has a series of good articles on making fittings. See Sport Aviation 9/1980, 10/1980 and 11/1980. These are also reprinted in one of his books; I think its the one with the blue cover. -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284614#284614 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending Metal From: "chase143" Great ideas. I tried to use a rounded piece of flat stock, but never thought of just filing the backing bar! I love this forum. Picture of first pieces attached, but I will look at with a loupe! Thanks again, Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284615#284615 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/first_metal_completed_pieces_124.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:06 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum model A head.... Hey Jim, You wouldn't have an 0200 lying around I could borrow? You know it's much better to run them rather than just sitting collecting rust. :) Jack DSM Do not archive! I've got one of those fancy aluminum dual plug Model A heads (got it in a box of engine parts I bought 5 years ago) just sitting on my shelf. If someone talks to Ken, let him know he's more than welcome to use it if he wants. Not interested in selling it but it will just sit there for (at LEAST) a few years. I would love to have someone actually use it rather than have it just sitting collecting dust. JM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:26 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum model A head.... Yeah and I'm darned tired of stepping over that thing in my workshop!!! as if!!.... I do know where there might actually be an 0-200 if you're seriously interested.... -----Original Message----- >From: Jack >Sent: Feb 2, 2010 12:31 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum model A head.... > > >Hey Jim, >You wouldn't have an 0200 lying around I could borrow? You know it's much >better to run them rather than just sitting collecting rust. :) >Jack >DSM >Do not archive! > >I've got one of those fancy aluminum dual plug Model A heads (got it in a >box of engine parts I bought 5 years ago) just sitting on my shelf. If >someone talks to Ken, let him know he's more than welcome to use it if he >wants. Not interested in selling it but it will just sit there for (at >LEAST) a few years. I would love to have someone actually use it rather >than have it just sitting collecting dust. > >JM > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum model A head.... From: Ryan Mueller I've got a line on everything you need to put together a WW Corvair conversion, available now, if someone's interested... ;) On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > Yeah and I'm darned tired of stepping over that thing in my workshop!!! as > if!!.... > > I do know where there might actually be an 0-200 if you're seriously > interested.... > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Jack > >Sent: Feb 2, 2010 12:31 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum model A head.... > > > > > >Hey Jim, > >You wouldn't have an 0200 lying around I could borrow? You know it's much > >better to run them rather than just sitting collecting rust. :) > >Jack > >DSM > >Do not archive! > > > >I've got one of those fancy aluminum dual plug Model A heads (got it in a > >box of engine parts I bought 5 years ago) just sitting on my shelf. If > >someone talks to Ken, let him know he's more than welcome to use it if he > >wants. Not interested in selling it but it will just sit there for (at > >LEAST) a few years. I would love to have someone actually use it rather > >than have it just sitting collecting dust. > > > >JM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:52 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A neat seat idea from a Seattle, WA Piet builder Mike, It's a small world, indeed. Jake was CC'd on an email to me sent from a close friend here in VA whose father knows Jake out in WA. I asked, "Who in the world is Jake Schultz?", and was referred to an Amazon.com listing for the book he wrote about Molt Taylor, designer of the Aerocar, Coit amphibian, and Mini-Imp, just to name a few. This, of course, was of interest to me because I've long fancied the Imp as a unique aircraft. Anyway, in a subsequent email it was revealed to me that Jake is also building a Rotec radial powered Piet with a steel tube fuselage. And know here you are, telling the whole world about my little secret. :) That sure likes it's going to be one really nice Piet when it's done. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:05 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: > A steel tube Rotec powered Piet in the works---- watch the video for > a peek. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhAE2lYCS8 > > (This gent is not on the discussion list but has contacted me > offlist and I=99ll forward any updates from him !) > > Mike C. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:58 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A neat seat idea from a Seattle, WA Piet builder Mike, It's a small world, indeed. Jake was CC'd on an email to me sent from a close friend here in VA whose father knows Jake out in WA. I asked, "Who in the world is Jake Schultz?", and was referred to an Amazon.com listing for the book he wrote about Molt Taylor, designer of the Aerocar, Coit amphibian, and Mini-Imp, just to name a few. This, of course, was of interest to me because I've long fancied the Imp as a unique aircraft. Anyway, in a subsequent email it was revealed to me that Jake is also building a Rotec radial powered Piet with a steel tube fuselage. And know here you are, telling the whole world about my little secret. :) That sure likes it's going to be one really nice Piet when it's done. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:05 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: > A steel tube Rotec powered Piet in the works---- watch the video for > a peek. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhAE2lYCS8 > > (This gent is not on the discussion list but has contacted me > offlist and I=99ll forward any updates from him !) > > Mike C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.