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1. 03:46 AM - Re: Leather coaming- last page (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 03:53 AM - Coaming leather- one last thing (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:11 AM - Re: beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:35 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Multi-Function Power Tool opinions? (sharpknives)
5. 06:02 AM - beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 07:11 AM - Cooling Ears (Gary Boothe)
7. 08:51 AM - Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright)
8. 09:15 AM - Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP (Tim White)
9. 09:18 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Ryan Mueller)
10. 09:25 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright)
11. 09:26 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Tim White)
12. 09:28 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP (Matt Dralle)
13. 09:47 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
14. 09:54 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright)
15. 09:55 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP (Jim Markle)
16. 09:57 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jim Markle)
17. 09:59 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (H RULE)
18. 10:06 AM - rudder during stall (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
19. 10:19 AM - Re: rudder during stall (Jeff Boatright)
20. 10:19 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Gary Boothe)
21. 10:32 AM - Re: Coaming leather- one last thing (Rick Holland)
22. 10:49 AM - Re: Coaming leather- one last thing (helspersew@aol.com)
23. 10:54 AM - Re: Cooling Ears (Rick Holland)
24. 10:55 AM - Re: Coaming leather- one last thing (outofthebox50@yahoo.com)
25. 11:14 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (taildrags)
26. 11:24 AM - Re: Cooling Ears (Gary Boothe)
27. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright)
28. 01:15 PM - Re: Cooling Ears (Jim Markle)
29. 01:30 PM - cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
30. 01:36 PM - handheld radios (Douwe Blumberg)
31. 01:41 PM - Re: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important (Gary Boothe)
32. 01:58 PM - leftover 6061 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
33. 02:02 PM - Re: handheld radios (Ben Charvet)
34. 02:33 PM - Re: handheld radios (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
35. 03:07 PM - Re: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important (Jim Ash)
36. 03:49 PM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Gene Rambo)
37. 04:04 PM - Re: handheld radios (David Paule)
38. 04:11 PM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright)
39. 04:48 PM - Re: I hate Dan too now! (Wayne Bressler)
40. 05:20 PM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Wayne Bressler)
41. 06:52 PM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright)
42. 07:25 PM - Re: I hate Dan too now! (Jim Markle)
43. 07:57 PM - Re: Leather coaming- last page (John Smoyer)
44. 08:16 PM - Re: handheld radios (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Leather coaming- last page |
John,
No, that is the job of the contact cement-type spray adhesive. After it is
all glued together it acts very much like a pepperoni sausage skin. Very
tight up against the roll. There is wrinkling, but they are perfectly uni
form mini-wrinkles. I really like the appearance, even more that if there
were no wrinkles at all. My personal opinion.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: John Smoyer <mox499@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Dan,
This is really beautiful work. Did you have to wet the leather to get it
to make those curves with minimal wrinkling?
John S.
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 10:13:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Rick,
For example, the metal sticks out past the instrument palel 1 1/2", and th
e lacing holes at that point are 1 1/4" in from the edge of the metal. Aro
und the sharp curves the holes get a little closer to the edge of the meta
l.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:55 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Very nice work Dan. How far from the edge of the aluminum did you drill th
e holes for the lacing?
Rick
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 2:48 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
A slight bit of wrinkling is evident in the curves, but it is very uniform
and goes good with my "distressed" leather. I used round leather lacing
cord I bought on line from Leather Cord USA.
Lacing, about 1/2 way done. Originally my coaming metal stopped at the pil
ot back rest, but I added a piece to get more of a true "pit" look.
Hope this info helps somebody.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Coaming leather- one last thing |
I had one last thought concerning this method of leather coaming. A big ad
vantage is that it can be accomplished with minimal leather. I made mine
all one piece because I had a whole hide, with one sewn seam, but it coul
d be easily constructed using a few sewn-together smaller pieces. Maybe an
old leather coat for example. I believe this would still look very good,
only difference is it would have maybe 3 or 4 seams instead of one.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing |
Mike,
Thank you for the kind words. I wasn't aware that this was addressed in th
e Bingelis books. Learned the hard way. I did a "trial-fit" with me sittin
g in both cockpits and it is not even close to getting in my way. But I am
only 5' 8" and 150 Lbs. I guess it might be a consideration if one was ta
ller, or they raised their seat from the plans (a-hem).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cu
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Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 3:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing
Aha=94again another guy who has, reads, and uses some of the excelle
nt ideas in the Tony Bingelis books.
I used a very similar method Dan but used leather shoe lace materials from
Walmart.
PS=94Dan, does that combing behind you adversely affect your comfort
on your upper back or shoulders ?
I=99ve spoken to a number of builders who removed that combing aroun
d the backside because it became
bothersome once the plane was flying. Hopefully this isn=99t true
in your case because it sure does have a fantastic
look !
Mike C.
PS=94and Dan, I don=99t hate you. I can=99t hate a bro
ther. No way.
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Multi-Function Power Tool opinions? |
yeah i do recommend the Harbor Freight Multi Function Power Tool because for me
it is true that the tool has of sufficient quality.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285585#285585
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| Subject: | beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing |
Mikeee asked-
>does that combing behind you adversely affect your
>comfort on your upper back or shoulders ?I've spoken
>to a number of builders who removed that combing
>around the backside because it became bothersome
>once the plane was flying.
It's funny, because I rarely find myself leaning back
against the seat back while flying. I seem to want
to lean forward to get out of the propwash/blast. I
think one time I even wondered why I bothered with
padding on the seat back.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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For those that might be using the stock, 12 fin oil cooler on a Corvair,
with cooling ears, this was an intense little project. First I had to learn
how to bend the metal around a welding rod.
.then that tricky little vent to route the air over the oil cooler.
These cooling ears are Hans van der Voort designs, increase by 1" on the
front. The access vent for the oil cooler is a total hip-shot on my part. If
anyone sees a problem..PLEASE speak up!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP |
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:32 PM
Subject: FW: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP
How to create Homer Simpson, step by step
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Masterful piloting Jeff....you did a fine job of keeping her from slipping
into the feared "Pietenpol death spiral"! :-P
You did a nice job mounting your video camera...made for an excellent video.
Thanks for sharing.
Ryan
do not archive
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Thanks much. I would've edited it to shorten more, but I'm sort of
slammed at work. The mounting is velcro straps and electrical tape.
>Masterful piloting Jeff....you did a fine job of keeping her from
>slipping into the feared "Pietenpol death spiral"! :-P
>
>You did a nice job mounting your video camera...made for an
>excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
>
>Ryan
>
>do not archive
>
>On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Jeff Boatright
><<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>
><<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>jboatri@emory.edu>
>
>Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall...
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU
>--
>
>Jeff Boatright
>"Now let's think about this..."
>
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Great Video!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall
>
> Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP |
Tim,
This is *not* apropreate for the Pietenpol-List. Do not post this type of material
on the List.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator.
At 09:13 AM 2/9/2010 Tuesday, Tim White wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:32 PM
>Subject: FW: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP
>
>
> How to create Homer Simpson, step by step
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| Subject: | Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Nice video Jeff. That stall is so violent that it seems to cause your prop to
spin backwards even.
You have enough life insurance to perform two successive power off stalls ????
And though I'm not a flight instructor can I mention just one thing as the stall
breaks Jeff......right rudder:)) You know I'm just treating you like I would Jim
Markle. Be flattered !
On colder days (like with other light planes like non-electric Cubs and Champs)
you
can power off stall a Pietenpol with full stick aft, power at idle and she just
mashes
down, never really breaks into a nose-plop (that is a technical term by the way)
and
you can just hold full aft stick and keep the nose straight by playing the rudder
gently.
I always worry on hot days carrying a passenger....but to do full power stalls
in a Piet,
mine doesn't stall until I'm quite nose high and the ASI is below 30 mph.. though
I don't
try that over the wires climbing out nor recommend it.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Vicious Pietenpol stall |
>
>And though I'm not a flight instructor can I mention just one thing
>as the stall
>breaks Jeff......right rudder:))
I was over-compensating for the weight of the massive video camera
bolted to the right cabane...
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP |
Hey Matt,
I would recommend checking your spam filter or whatever. This wasn't sent by Tim.
I would wager that his email was somehow grabbed/used by some other system...
Not sure how those things work but this isn't something Tim would send to this
list...
-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>Sent: Feb 9, 2010 12:25 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP
>
>
>Tim,
>
>This is *not* apropreate for the Pietenpol-List. Do not post this type of material
on the List.
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator.
>
>
>At 09:13 AM 2/9/2010 Tuesday, Tim White wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:32 PM
>>Subject: FW: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP
>>
>>
>> How to create Homer Simpson, step by step
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
And fun subtexts.... almost makes you feel like you're there....for those "ooooooh
scary" stalls.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim White <aa5flyer@gmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 9, 2010 12:25 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall
>
>
>Great Video!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:50 AM
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall
>
>
>>
>> Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall...
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU
>> --
>>
>> Jeff Boatright
>> "Now let's think about this..."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Nice ride;wish I was with you!=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>=0ATo: pieten
pol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, February 9, 2010 11:50:54 AM=0ASubject:
Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message po
sted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>=0A=0ASomebody was wondering abo
ut the vicious Pietenpol stall...=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoI
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| Subject: | rudder during stall |
>"I was over-compensating for the weight of the massive video camera
>bolted to the right cabane..."
>Jeff Boatright
NICE response Jeff ! You must be a golfer to come up with a quick-witted,
creative excuse like that. I knew I liked you right from the git-go:) !!
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: rudder during stall |
Tough wind, sir...
>(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>>"I was over-compensating for the weight of the massive video camera
>>bolted to the right cabane..."
>>Jeff Boatright
>
>
>NICE response Jeff ! You must be a golfer to come up with a quick-witted,
>creative excuse like that. I knew I liked you right from the git-go:) !!
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Don't know about the East Coast, but out West here (what was it that Ryan
said? Where us, ".poor slobs live."?), I think there are laws against having
that much fun!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
(do not archive)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall
Nice ride;wish I was with you!
do not archive
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From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 11:50:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall
Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAUh;
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| Subject: | Re: Coaming leather- one last thing |
Dan
Any opinion on the use of fake/simulated leather fabric rather than real
leather?
rick
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:53 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I had one last thought concerning this method of leather coaming. A big
> advantage is that it can be accomplished with minimal leather. I made mine
> all one piece because I had a whole hide, with one sewn seam, but it could
> be easily constructed using a few sewn-together smaller pieces. Maybe an old
> leather coat for example. I believe this would still look very good, only
> difference is it would have maybe 3 or 4 seams instead of one.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Coaming leather- one last thing |
Rick,
Being in the industrial sewing business, I have first hand experience work
ing with that type of material. The stuff with the knit backing is what yo
u want. It is very stretchy, slightly more than a soft cowhide. While neve
r having tried it, I would think it would certainly work as good, and migh
t even work better as far as wrinkling is concerned. Try a small section
and bend, to see what it will do.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Coaming leather- one last thing
Dan
Any opinion on the use of fake/simulated leather fabric rather than real
leather?
rick
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:53 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
I had one last thought concerning this method of leather coaming. A big ad
vantage is that it can be accomplished with minimal leather. I made mine
all one piece because I had a whole hide, with one sewn seam, but it coul
d be easily constructed using a few sewn-together smaller pieces. Maybe an
old leather coat for example. I believe this would still look very good,
only difference is it would have maybe 3 or 4 seams instead of one.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Ears |
Hey Gary
I used Hans van der Voort's plans also and I also made my openings about an
inch higher. I didn't see a need to wrap the sides of the oil cooler as you
did but it definitely shouldn't hurt. After getting the templates made from
poster-board I realized that I needed to make a hole to check the oil and
then realized I needed six more holes if I wanted to be able to pull the
plugs without removing the ears. Someone on this group (maybe Markle)
suggested using kitchen sink hole inserts to cover the holes and they worke
d
fine. Attached some pics.
Rick
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
> For those that might be using the stock, 12 fin oil cooler on a Corvair,
> with cooling ears, this was an intense little project. First I had to lea
rn
> how to bend the metal around a welding rod=85
>
>
> =85then that tricky little vent to route the air over the oil cooler=85
>
>
> These cooling ears are Hans van der Voort designs, increase by 1=94 on th
e
> front. The access vent for the oil cooler is a total hip-shot on my part.
If
> anyone sees a problem=85.PLEASE speak up!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (16 ribs down=85)
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Coaming leather- one last thing |
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Jeff; my experience is exactly like what Mikeee describes. Power off, the stick
comes full aft and can be held there with the airplane mushing, nose ever so
slightly trying to bob, rudders holding the nose straight, and maybe 30-32 MPH
showing on the clock (but not very accurate, given the angle of attack of the
pitot tube).
Question on your carb heat setup. It looks like you have a small scoop facing
forward to draw air into the heat muff. Do you have any pictures of that? On
my airplane, I took a hardware store chromed brass P-trap, cut it in half so
I had a ninety (quarter-bend) with one end flared to slip over the inlet neck
to the heat muff, and I fastened that to the heat muff with some sheet metal screws.
I also added a flat plate in the fork of the exhaust manifold to make
the air go around much more heated surface. Works great, and I get much better
temp rise through the carb heat setup with it than the way it was before, which
barely dropped RPM at all on runup check. Picture attached.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285676#285676
Attachments:
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Rick,
Leave it to Markle to throw in the kitchen sink, too!! You are correct to
notice that I haven't yet made those cutouts, and I had forgotten about
those sink inserts.
I can see that you took a far simpler approach to encapsulating the oil
cooler. Good idea!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears
Hey Gary
I used Hans van der Voort's plans also and I also made my openings about an
inch higher. I didn't see a need to wrap the sides of the oil cooler as you
did but it definitely shouldn't hurt. After getting the templates made from
poster-board I realized that I needed to make a hole to check the oil and
then realized I needed six more holes if I wanted to be able to pull the
plugs without removing the ears. Someone on this group (maybe Markle)
suggested using kitchen sink hole inserts to cover the holes and they worked
fine. Attached some pics.
Rick
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
For those that might be using the stock, 12 fin oil cooler on a Corvair,
with cooling ears, this was an intense little project. First I had to learn
how to bend the metal around a welding rod.
.then that tricky little vent to route the air over the oil cooler.
These cooling ears are Hans van der Voort designs, increase by 1" on the
front. The access vent for the oil cooler is a total hip-shot on my part. If
anyone sees a problem..PLEASE speak up!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Oscar,
I didn't get the picture attachment. We do have a pipe extending the
intake on the carb heat muff, but it is scalloped rearwards. The
store-bought heat muff (AS PN 08-00473) fits such that the intake
pipe faces a bit forwards. This allows too much forced air through
the muf and not enough heat gets to the carb. Had a real problem one
cold, damp morning last winter where there was just not enough heat
to keep up with the ice. Since adding the scalloped pipe, no problem.
We also have lots of stainless steel wool stuffed into the muff, but
the scalloped pipe is still necessary. We get a good 50 rpm drop with
this set-up, no matter the ambient temp. So far.
A fairly lame photo is attached.
Jeff
>
>Jeff; my experience is exactly like what Mikeee describes. Power
>off, the stick comes full aft and can be held there with the
>airplane mushing, nose ever so slightly trying to bob, rudders
>holding the nose straight, and maybe 30-32 MPH showing on the clock
>(but not very accurate, given the angle of attack of the pitot tube).
>
>Question on your carb heat setup. It looks like you have a small
>scoop facing forward to draw air into the heat muff. Do you have
>any pictures of that? On my airplane, I took a hardware store
>chromed brass P-trap, cut it in half so I had a ninety
>(quarter-bend) with one end flared to slip over the inlet neck to
>the heat muff, and I fastened that to the heat muff with some sheet
>metal screws. I also added a flat plate in the fork of the exhaust
>manifold to make the air go around much more heated surface. Works
>great, and I get much better temp rise through the carb heat setup
>with it than the way it was before, which barely dropped RPM at all
>on runup check. Picture attached.
>
>--------
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>Air Camper NX41CC
>
--
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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I will now figure out SOME way to use kitchen sink inserts!!! Just to show you
characters!!!!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Feb 9, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears
Rick,
Leave it to Markle to throw in the kitchen sink, too!! You are
correct to notice that I havent yet made those cutouts, and I had
forgotten about those sink inserts
I can see that you took a far simpler approach to encapsulating
the oil cooler. Good idea!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
Do not archive
From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears
Hey Gary
I used Hans van
der Voort's plans also and I also made my openings about an inch higher. I
didn't see a need to wrap the sides of the oil cooler as you did but it
definitely shouldn't hurt. After getting the templates made from poster-board I
realized that I needed to make a hole to check the oil and then realized I
needed six more holes if I wanted to be able to pull the plugs without removing
the ears. Someone on this group (maybe Markle) suggested using kitchen sink
hole inserts to cover the holes and they worked fine. Attached some pics.
Rick
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
For those that might
be using the stock, 12 fin oil cooler on a Corvair, with cooling ears, this was
an intense little project. First I had to learn how to bend the metal around a
welding rod
then that
tricky little vent to route the air over the oil cooler
These cooling ears
are Hans van der Voort designs, increase by 1 on the front. The access
vent for the oil cooler is a total hip-shot on my part. If anyone sees a
problem.PLEASE speak up!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down)
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important |
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Starting to think about a radio, as I'll hopefully be flying this spring.
I'd appreciate input based on your experiences.
Also, should one get a nav/com or just a com?
thanks,
Douwe
ps. inspection now postponed 'til Thursday. Pray for NO snow!!!
pss. I don't really hate Dan either, but I'm not sure I want him parking
next to me either...
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| Subject: | cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important |
Forgive me Father, for I have sinned...I used 6061 left over from the ill-fated
601 project. I know...I'll say a whole bunch of Hail Mary's...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important
Dear Infidels,
Remember to use 0000 dead soft aluminum when making your cooling eyebrows in order
for them to have long life. If you use 2024 T3 they will last but not nearly
as
long before cracking.
Also a nice hem at the front will help alleviate cracks from propagating from that
high-stress region and the hem will strengthen the work piece nicely, preferably
with a thin diameter stainless steel welding rod (1/16" diameter or so)
weaved in the crease
of the hem.
Again the Tony Bingelis engine book (I believe) covers cooling eyebrow fabrication
if not mistaken.
Mike C.
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Save your Hail Mary's Gary for when your 6061 starts flapping uncontrollably
in your propwash and rips a chunk off swirling it around your jugular taking
out some center section fabric and banging up your tailfeathers on one side !
Kidding. No Hail Marys req'd no matter what aluminum you use for cooling eyebrows.
The good news is that by the time you have to replace them with another set that
no matter what aluminum you choose for that next set they will turn out even nicer
than the first set. Just the law of airplane building. The second and third
set
of any part is always the nicest !
Glad you ditched the Zenith 601 project. The Pietenpol has a much lower fatality
record.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: handheld radios |
Douwe,
I've been using an old Sportys with Nav/Com in my Baby Ace for 3 years.
I've never used the Nav part. I bought an inexpensive Vertex VXA 220
for the Piet. It has rechargable batteries and a sideband(?) function
where you can hear yourself through your headset. Also comes with
headset adapter. What I really liked about this one was the large
display, which I can read without reading glasses. I think you can
pick one of them up for around $180.
http://www.airportpilotshop.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VXA-220
On another cool note, my airworthiness inspection was just moved UP to
Thursday. We have the potential to have the same "born-on" date.
Ben
On 2/9/2010 4:39 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Starting to think about a radio, as I'll hopefully be flying this spring.
>
> I'd appreciate input based on your experiences.
>
> Also, should one get a nav/com or just a com?
>
> thanks,
>
> Douwe
>
> ps. inspection now postponed 'til Thursday. Pray for NO snow!!!
>
> pss. I don't really hate Dan either, but I'm not sure I want him parking
> next to me either...
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: handheld radios |
I have been thinking about radios also. I am building a different plane
(mustang II) but am hoping to draw some info from your discussion here. I'm
not aware of any Mustang owners with a handheld as the primary radio. I was
trying to weigh the pros and cons of using a handheld versus a panel mount.
Maybe they are best for open cockpit?
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important |
We use 3003-H14 for the metal forming demos at Sun 'n Fun. This is a half-hard
alloy that forms easily and can be torch annealed if you work it too much. Widely
used for lots of non-structural applications, including aircraft parts.
We've also had the graces of a loaner bead roller from Mittler Brothers in years
passed, along with a goodly set of assorted dies. Included in the set has been
the stuff to make a wire-rolled edge. One of our guys made himself a nice set
of eyebrows for his J-5 a couple years back.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Feb 9, 2010 4:29 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important
>
>Dear Infidels,
>
>Remember to use 0000 dead soft aluminum when making your cooling eyebrows in order
>for them to have long life. If you use 2024 T3 they will last but not nearly
as
>long before cracking.
>
>Also a nice hem at the front will help alleviate cracks from propagating from
that
>high-stress region and the hem will strengthen the work piece nicely, preferably
with
>a thin diameter stainless steel welding rod (1/16" diameter or so) weaved in the
crease
>of the hem.
>
>Again the Tony Bingelis engine book (I believe) covers cooling eyebrow fabrication
if not
>mistaken.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
How'd you get the fuel gauge wire to move in time to the music?
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall
<jboatri@emory.edu<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>>
Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU<http://www.youtube.com/watch
?v=KoIecJ9PAAU>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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| Subject: | Re: handheld radios |
My preference would be just the com.
That said, I've occasionally found it useful to get a cross-bearing on a VOR
while happily flying along, guided by my GPS.
David Paule
> Also, should one get a nav/com or just a com?
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
Careful calibration after tricky titration. >:-}
>How'd you get the fuel gauge wire to move in time to the music?
>
>Gene
>
>do not archive
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Did anyone else notice the nice inlays at the bottom of the instrument
panel? Way cool.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
That looked just downright dangerous, Jeff. :)
Thanks for sharing that video.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Feb 9, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
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> Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall...
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU
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> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall |
I'm still having flashbacks. In between shots, of course.
><wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
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>That looked just downright dangerous, Jeff. :)
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>Thanks for sharing that video.
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>Wayne Bressler Jr.
>Taildraggers, Inc.
>taildraggersinc.com
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>On Feb 9, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
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>>Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall...
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU
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>>Jeff Boatright
>>"Now let's think about this..."
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: I hate Dan too now! |
I did. And I saw them when I visited Dan a couple weeks ago.
They look even nicer in person....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
>Sent: Feb 9, 2010 5:47 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I hate Dan too now!
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>Did anyone else notice the nice inlays at the bottom of the instrument
>panel? Way cool.
>
>Wayne Bressler Jr.
>Taildraggers, Inc.
>taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: Leather coaming- last page |
Thanks, Dan. One last (?) question: How wide was the leather piece before you
rolled the edges? I was able to buy some leftovers from an upholsterer, and
I hope it's enough.
Thanks also for all the effort and time you've put into making and posting this
fabulous set of instructions and photos.
John Smoyer
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From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 6:29:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
John,
No, that is the job of the contact cement-type spray adhesive. After it is all
glued together it acts very much like a pepperoni sausage skin. Very tight up
against the roll. There is wrinkling, but they are perfectly uniform mini-wrinkles.
I really like the appearance, even more that if there were no wrinkles at
all. My personal opinion.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Smoyer <mox499@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Dan,
This is really beautiful work. Did you have to wet the leather to get it to make
those curves with minimal wrinkling?
John S.
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From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 10:13:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Rick,
For example, the metal sticks out past the instrument palel 1 1/2", and the lacing
holes at that point are 1 1/4" in from the edge of the metal. Around the sharp
curves the holes get a little closer to the edge of the metal.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:55 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Very nice work Dan. How far from the edge of the aluminum did you drill the holes
for the lacing?
Rick
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 2:48 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
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>A slight bit of wrinkling is evident in the curves, but it is very uniform and
goes good with my "distressed" leather. I used round leather lacing cord I bought
on line from Leather Cord USA.
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>Lacing, about 1/2 way done. Originally my coaming metal stopped at the pilot back
rest, but I added a piece to get more of a true "pit" look.
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>Hope this info helps somebody.
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: handheld radios |
Since I'm building an old time plane and have to have
a radio ( and mode C transponder ) I would really
prefer that this stuff is as unobtrusive as possible.
So I purposely bought an old Delcom with all the
controls on the end.
I spent hours trying to figure out where to put that
*&#% transponder so that I could see the numbers
and work the dials. I think it's going down on the side
by my right leg lying against the diagonal.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios
I have been thinking about radios also. I am building a different
plane (mustang II) but am hoping to draw some info from your discussion
here. I'm not aware of any Mustang owners with a handheld as the primary
radio. I was trying to weigh the pros and cons of using a handheld
versus a panel mount. Maybe they are best for open cockpit?
Boyce
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