---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/09/10: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:46 AM - Re: Leather coaming- last page (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 03:53 AM - Coaming leather- one last thing (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 04:11 AM - Re: beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 04:35 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Multi-Function Power Tool opinions? (sharpknives) 5. 06:02 AM - beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 07:11 AM - Cooling Ears (Gary Boothe) 7. 08:51 AM - Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright) 8. 09:15 AM - Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP (Tim White) 9. 09:18 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Ryan Mueller) 10. 09:25 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright) 11. 09:26 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Tim White) 12. 09:28 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP (Matt Dralle) 13. 09:47 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 14. 09:54 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright) 15. 09:55 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP (Jim Markle) 16. 09:57 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jim Markle) 17. 09:59 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (H RULE) 18. 10:06 AM - rudder during stall (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 19. 10:19 AM - Re: rudder during stall (Jeff Boatright) 20. 10:19 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Gary Boothe) 21. 10:32 AM - Re: Coaming leather- one last thing (Rick Holland) 22. 10:49 AM - Re: Coaming leather- one last thing (helspersew@aol.com) 23. 10:54 AM - Re: Cooling Ears (Rick Holland) 24. 10:55 AM - Re: Coaming leather- one last thing (outofthebox50@yahoo.com) 25. 11:14 AM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (taildrags) 26. 11:24 AM - Re: Cooling Ears (Gary Boothe) 27. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright) 28. 01:15 PM - Re: Cooling Ears (Jim Markle) 29. 01:30 PM - cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 30. 01:36 PM - handheld radios (Douwe Blumberg) 31. 01:41 PM - Re: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important (Gary Boothe) 32. 01:58 PM - leftover 6061 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 33. 02:02 PM - Re: handheld radios (Ben Charvet) 34. 02:33 PM - Re: handheld radios (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 35. 03:07 PM - Re: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important (Jim Ash) 36. 03:49 PM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Gene Rambo) 37. 04:04 PM - Re: handheld radios (David Paule) 38. 04:11 PM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright) 39. 04:48 PM - Re: I hate Dan too now! (Wayne Bressler) 40. 05:20 PM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Wayne Bressler) 41. 06:52 PM - Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall (Jeff Boatright) 42. 07:25 PM - Re: I hate Dan too now! (Jim Markle) 43. 07:57 PM - Re: Leather coaming- last page (John Smoyer) 44. 08:16 PM - Re: handheld radios (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page From: helspersew@aol.com John, No, that is the job of the contact cement-type spray adhesive. After it is all glued together it acts very much like a pepperoni sausage skin. Very tight up against the roll. There is wrinkling, but they are perfectly uni form mini-wrinkles. I really like the appearance, even more that if there were no wrinkles at all. My personal opinion. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: John Smoyer Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:07 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page Dan, This is really beautiful work. Did you have to wet the leather to get it to make those curves with minimal wrinkling? John S. From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 10:13:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page Rick, For example, the metal sticks out past the instrument palel 1 1/2", and th e lacing holes at that point are 1 1/4" in from the edge of the metal. Aro und the sharp curves the holes get a little closer to the edge of the meta l. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:55 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page Very nice work Dan. How far from the edge of the aluminum did you drill th e holes for the lacing? Rick On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 2:48 PM, wrote: A slight bit of wrinkling is evident in the curves, but it is very uniform and goes good with my "distressed" leather. I used round leather lacing cord I bought on line from Leather Cord USA. Lacing, about 1/2 way done. Originally my coaming metal stopped at the pil ot back rest, but I added a piece to get more of a true "pit" look. Hope this info helps somebody. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ======================== =========== " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List== ======================== ========= p://forums.matronics.com ======================== blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== ======================== = ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coaming leather- one last thing From: helspersew@aol.com I had one last thought concerning this method of leather coaming. A big ad vantage is that it can be accomplished with minimal leather. I made mine all one piece because I had a whole hide, with one sewn seam, but it coul d be easily constructed using a few sewn-together smaller pieces. Maybe an old leather coat for example. I believe this would still look very good, only difference is it would have maybe 3 or 4 seams instead of one. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing From: helspersew@aol.com Mike, Thank you for the kind words. I wasn't aware that this was addressed in th e Bingelis books. Learned the hard way. I did a "trial-fit" with me sittin g in both cockpits and it is not even close to getting in my way. But I am only 5' 8" and 150 Lbs. I guess it might be a consideration if one was ta ller, or they raised their seat from the plans (a-hem). Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 3:36 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing Aha=94again another guy who has, reads, and uses some of the excelle nt ideas in the Tony Bingelis books. I used a very similar method Dan but used leather shoe lace materials from Walmart. PS=94Dan, does that combing behind you adversely affect your comfort on your upper back or shoulders ? I=99ve spoken to a number of builders who removed that combing aroun d the backside because it became bothersome once the plane was flying. Hopefully this isn=99t true in your case because it sure does have a fantastic look ! Mike C. PS=94and Dan, I don=99t hate you. I can=99t hate a bro ther. No way. ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Harbor Freight Multi-Function Power Tool opinions? From: "sharpknives" yeah i do recommend the Harbor Freight Multi Function Power Tool because for me it is true that the tool has of sufficient quality. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285585#285585 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:47 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: beauuutiful work Dan--cockpit leather combing Mikeee asked- >does that combing behind you adversely affect your >comfort on your upper back or shoulders ?I've spoken >to a number of builders who removed that combing >around the backside because it became bothersome >once the plane was flying. It's funny, because I rarely find myself leaning back against the seat back while flying. I seem to want to lean forward to get out of the propwash/blast. I think one time I even wondered why I bothered with padding on the seat back. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:08 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears For those that might be using the stock, 12 fin oil cooler on a Corvair, with cooling ears, this was an intense little project. First I had to learn how to bend the metal around a welding rod. .then that tricky little vent to route the air over the oil cooler. These cooling ears are Hans van der Voort designs, increase by 1" on the front. The access vent for the oil cooler is a total hip-shot on my part. If anyone sees a problem..PLEASE speak up! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:55 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:30 AM PST US From: "Tim White" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: FW: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP How to create Homer Simpson, step by step ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall From: Ryan Mueller Masterful piloting Jeff....you did a fine job of keeping her from slipping into the feared "Pietenpol death spiral"! :-P You did a nice job mounting your video camera...made for an excellent video. Thanks for sharing. Ryan do not archive On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:40 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall Thanks much. I would've edited it to shorten more, but I'm sort of slammed at work. The mounting is velcro straps and electrical tape. >Masterful piloting Jeff....you did a fine job of keeping her from >slipping into the feared "Pietenpol death spiral"! :-P > >You did a nice job mounting your video camera...made for an >excellent video. Thanks for sharing. > >Ryan > >do not archive > >On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Jeff Boatright ><jboatri@emory.edu> wrote: > ><jboatri@emory.edu> > >Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU >-- > >Jeff Boatright >"Now let's think about this..." > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:45 AM PST US From: "Tim White" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall Great Video! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall > > Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:14 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP Tim, This is *not* apropreate for the Pietenpol-List. Do not post this type of material on the List. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator. At 09:13 AM 2/9/2010 Tuesday, Tim White wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > >Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:32 PM >Subject: FW: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP > > > How to create Homer Simpson, step by step ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:20 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall Nice video Jeff. That stall is so violent that it seems to cause your prop to spin backwards even. You have enough life insurance to perform two successive power off stalls ???? And though I'm not a flight instructor can I mention just one thing as the stall breaks Jeff......right rudder:)) You know I'm just treating you like I would Jim Markle. Be flattered ! On colder days (like with other light planes like non-electric Cubs and Champs) you can power off stall a Pietenpol with full stick aft, power at idle and she just mashes down, never really breaks into a nose-plop (that is a technical term by the way) and you can just hold full aft stick and keep the nose straight by playing the rudder gently. I always worry on hot days carrying a passenger....but to do full power stalls in a Piet, mine doesn't stall until I'm quite nose high and the ASI is below 30 mph.. though I don't try that over the wires climbing out nor recommend it. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:14 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall > >And though I'm not a flight instructor can I mention just one thing >as the stall >breaks Jeff......right rudder:)) I was over-compensating for the weight of the massive video camera bolted to the right cabane... -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:45 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP Hey Matt, I would recommend checking your spam filter or whatever. This wasn't sent by Tim. I would wager that his email was somehow grabbed/used by some other system... Not sure how those things work but this isn't something Tim would send to this list... -----Original Message----- >From: Matt Dralle >Sent: Feb 9, 2010 12:25 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Fw: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP > > >Tim, > >This is *not* apropreate for the Pietenpol-List. Do not post this type of material on the List. > >Matt Dralle >Matronics Email List Administrator. > > >At 09:13 AM 2/9/2010 Tuesday, Tim White wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:32 PM >>Subject: FW: HOW TO CREATE HOMER SIMPSON STEP BY STEP >> >> >> How to create Homer Simpson, step by step > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:53 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall And fun subtexts.... almost makes you feel like you're there....for those "ooooooh scary" stalls..... -----Original Message----- >From: Tim White >Sent: Feb 9, 2010 12:25 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall > > >Great Video! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Boatright" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:50 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall > > >> >> Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU >> -- >> >> Jeff Boatright >> "Now let's think about this..." >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:37 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall Nice ride;wish I was with you!=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________ ___________________=0AFrom: Jeff Boatright =0ATo: pieten pol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, February 9, 2010 11:50:54 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message po sted by: Jeff Boatright =0A=0ASomebody was wondering abo ut the vicious Pietenpol stall...=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoI ============= ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:00 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder during stall >"I was over-compensating for the weight of the massive video camera >bolted to the right cabane..." >Jeff Boatright NICE response Jeff ! You must be a golfer to come up with a quick-witted, creative excuse like that. I knew I liked you right from the git-go:) !! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:49 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder during stall Tough wind, sir... >(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" > >>"I was over-compensating for the weight of the massive video camera >>bolted to the right cabane..." >>Jeff Boatright > > >NICE response Jeff ! You must be a golfer to come up with a quick-witted, >creative excuse like that. I knew I liked you right from the git-go:) !! > >Mike C. > >do not archive > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:49 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall Don't know about the East Coast, but out West here (what was it that Ryan said? Where us, ".poor slobs live."?), I think there are laws against having that much fun! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done (do not archive) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall Nice ride;wish I was with you! do not archive _____ From: Jeff Boatright Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 11:50:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAUh; ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.================== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Coaming leather- one last thing From: Rick Holland Dan Any opinion on the use of fake/simulated leather fabric rather than real leather? rick On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:53 AM, wrote: > > I had one last thought concerning this method of leather coaming. A big > advantage is that it can be accomplished with minimal leather. I made mine > all one piece because I had a whole hide, with one sewn seam, but it could > be easily constructed using a few sewn-together smaller pieces. Maybe an old > leather coat for example. I believe this would still look very good, only > difference is it would have maybe 3 or 4 seams instead of one. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Coaming leather- one last thing From: helspersew@aol.com Rick, Being in the industrial sewing business, I have first hand experience work ing with that type of material. The stuff with the knit backing is what yo u want. It is very stretchy, slightly more than a soft cowhide. While neve r having tried it, I would think it would certainly work as good, and migh t even work better as far as wrinkling is concerned. Try a small section and bend, to see what it will do. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 12:30 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Coaming leather- one last thing Dan Any opinion on the use of fake/simulated leather fabric rather than real leather? rick On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:53 AM, wrote: I had one last thought concerning this method of leather coaming. A big ad vantage is that it can be accomplished with minimal leather. I made mine all one piece because I had a whole hide, with one sewn seam, but it coul d be easily constructed using a few sewn-together smaller pieces. Maybe an old leather coat for example. I believe this would still look very good, only difference is it would have maybe 3 or 4 seams instead of one. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears From: Rick Holland Hey Gary I used Hans van der Voort's plans also and I also made my openings about an inch higher. I didn't see a need to wrap the sides of the oil cooler as you did but it definitely shouldn't hurt. After getting the templates made from poster-board I realized that I needed to make a hole to check the oil and then realized I needed six more holes if I wanted to be able to pull the plugs without removing the ears. Someone on this group (maybe Markle) suggested using kitchen sink hole inserts to cover the holes and they worke d fine. Attached some pics. Rick On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > For those that might be using the stock, 12 fin oil cooler on a Corvair, > with cooling ears, this was an intense little project. First I had to lea rn > how to bend the metal around a welding rod=85 > > > =85then that tricky little vent to route the air over the oil cooler=85 > > > These cooling ears are Hans van der Voort designs, increase by 1=94 on th e > front. The access vent for the oil cooler is a total hip-shot on my part. If > anyone sees a problem=85.PLEASE speak up! > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (16 ribs down=85) > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Coaming leather- one last thing From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com SW1hZ2luZSBob3cgY29vbCByZWFsIGxlYXRoZXIgd2lsbCBsb29rIGFmdGVyIDIwIHllYXJzIG9m IHdlYXIuDQoNCkplcmVteSBCcmFtYWxsDQpTZW50IHZpYSBCbGFja0JlcnJ5IGZyb20gVC1Nb2Jp bGUNCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IFJpY2sgSG9sbGFuZCA8YXQ3 MDAwZnRAZ21haWwuY29tPg0KRGF0ZTogVHVlLCA5IEZlYiAyMDEwIDEzOjMwOjQxIA0KVG86IDxw aWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0 OiBDb2FtaW5nIGxlYXRoZXItIG9uZSBsYXN0IHRoaW5nDQoNCkRhbg0KDQpBbnkgb3BpbmlvbiBv biB0aGUgdXNlIG9mIGZha2Uvc2ltdWxhdGVkIGxlYXRoZXIgZmFicmljIHJhdGhlciB0aGFuIHJl YWwNCmxlYXRoZXI/DQoNCnJpY2sNCg0KT24gVHVlLCBGZWIgOSwgMjAxMCBhdCA2OjUzIEFNLCA8 aGVsc3BlcnNld0Bhb2wuY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KPg0KPiBJIGhhZCBvbmUgbGFzdCB0aG91Z2h0 IGNvbmNlcm5pbmcgdGhpcyBtZXRob2Qgb2YgbGVhdGhlciBjb2FtaW5nLiBBIGJpZw0KPiBhZHZh bnRhZ2UgaXMgdGhhdCBpdCBjYW4gYmUgYWNjb21wbGlzaGVkIHdpdGggbWluaW1hbCBsZWF0aGVy LiBJIG1hZGUgbWluZQ0KPiBhbGwgb25lIHBpZWNlIGJlY2F1c2UgSSBoYWQgYSB3aG9sZSBoaWRl LCB3aXRoIG9uZSBzZXduIHNlYW0sIGJ1dCBpdCBjb3VsZA0KPiBiZSBlYXNpbHkgY29uc3RydWN0 ZWQgdXNpbmcgYSBmZXcgc2V3bi10b2dldGhlciBzbWFsbGVyIHBpZWNlcy4gTWF5YmUgYW4gb2xk DQo+IGxlYXRoZXIgY29hdCBmb3IgZXhhbXBsZS4gSSBiZWxpZXZlIHRoaXMgd291bGQgc3RpbGwg bG9vayB2ZXJ5IGdvb2QsIG9ubHkNCj4gZGlmZmVyZW5jZSBpcyBpdCB3b3VsZCBoYXZlIG1heWJl IDMgb3IgNCBzZWFtcyBpbnN0ZWFkIG9mIG9uZS4NCj4NCj4gRGFuIEhlbHNwZXINCj4gUG9wbGFy IEdyb3ZlLCBJTC4NCj4NCj4NCg0KDQotLSANClJpY2sgSG9sbGFuZA0KQ2FzdGxlIFJvY2ssIENv bG9yYWRvDQoNCiJMb2dpYyBpcyBhIHdyZWF0aCBvZiBwcmV0dHkgZmxvd2VycywgdGhhdCBzbWVs bCBiYWQiDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall From: "taildrags" Jeff; my experience is exactly like what Mikeee describes. Power off, the stick comes full aft and can be held there with the airplane mushing, nose ever so slightly trying to bob, rudders holding the nose straight, and maybe 30-32 MPH showing on the clock (but not very accurate, given the angle of attack of the pitot tube). Question on your carb heat setup. It looks like you have a small scoop facing forward to draw air into the heat muff. Do you have any pictures of that? On my airplane, I took a hardware store chromed brass P-trap, cut it in half so I had a ninety (quarter-bend) with one end flared to slip over the inlet neck to the heat muff, and I fastened that to the heat muff with some sheet metal screws. I also added a flat plate in the fork of the exhaust manifold to make the air go around much more heated surface. Works great, and I get much better temp rise through the carb heat setup with it than the way it was before, which barely dropped RPM at all on runup check. Picture attached. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285676#285676 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p5120002_564.jpg ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:13 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears Rick, Leave it to Markle to throw in the kitchen sink, too!! You are correct to notice that I haven't yet made those cutouts, and I had forgotten about those sink inserts. I can see that you took a far simpler approach to encapsulating the oil cooler. Good idea! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears Hey Gary I used Hans van der Voort's plans also and I also made my openings about an inch higher. I didn't see a need to wrap the sides of the oil cooler as you did but it definitely shouldn't hurt. After getting the templates made from poster-board I realized that I needed to make a hole to check the oil and then realized I needed six more holes if I wanted to be able to pull the plugs without removing the ears. Someone on this group (maybe Markle) suggested using kitchen sink hole inserts to cover the holes and they worked fine. Attached some pics. Rick On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: For those that might be using the stock, 12 fin oil cooler on a Corvair, with cooling ears, this was an intense little project. First I had to learn how to bend the metal around a welding rod. .then that tricky little vent to route the air over the oil cooler. These cooling ears are Hans van der Voort designs, increase by 1" on the front. The access vent for the oil cooler is a total hip-shot on my part. If anyone sees a problem..PLEASE speak up! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down.) -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:27 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vicious Pietenpol stall Oscar, I didn't get the picture attachment. We do have a pipe extending the intake on the carb heat muff, but it is scalloped rearwards. The store-bought heat muff (AS PN 08-00473) fits such that the intake pipe faces a bit forwards. This allows too much forced air through the muf and not enough heat gets to the carb. Had a real problem one cold, damp morning last winter where there was just not enough heat to keep up with the ice. Since adding the scalloped pipe, no problem. We also have lots of stainless steel wool stuffed into the muff, but the scalloped pipe is still necessary. We get a good 50 rpm drop with this set-up, no matter the ambient temp. So far. A fairly lame photo is attached. Jeff > >Jeff; my experience is exactly like what Mikeee describes. Power >off, the stick comes full aft and can be held there with the >airplane mushing, nose ever so slightly trying to bob, rudders >holding the nose straight, and maybe 30-32 MPH showing on the clock >(but not very accurate, given the angle of attack of the pitot tube). > >Question on your carb heat setup. It looks like you have a small >scoop facing forward to draw air into the heat muff. Do you have >any pictures of that? On my airplane, I took a hardware store >chromed brass P-trap, cut it in half so I had a ninety >(quarter-bend) with one end flared to slip over the inlet neck to >the heat muff, and I fastened that to the heat muff with some sheet >metal screws. I also added a flat plate in the fork of the exhaust >manifold to make the air go around much more heated surface. Works >great, and I get much better temp rise through the carb heat setup >with it than the way it was before, which barely dropped RPM at all >on runup check. Picture attached. > >-------- >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >Air Camper NX41CC > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:13 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears I will now figure out SOME way to use kitchen sink inserts!!! Just to show you characters!!!! do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Feb 9, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears Rick, Leave it to Markle to throw in the kitchen sink, too!! You are correct to notice that I havent yet made those cutouts, and I had forgotten about those sink inserts I can see that you took a far simpler approach to encapsulating the oil cooler. Good idea! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Ears Hey Gary I used Hans van der Voort's plans also and I also made my openings about an inch higher. I didn't see a need to wrap the sides of the oil cooler as you did but it definitely shouldn't hurt. After getting the templates made from poster-board I realized that I needed to make a hole to check the oil and then realized I needed six more holes if I wanted to be able to pull the plugs without removing the ears. Someone on this group (maybe Markle) suggested using kitchen sink hole inserts to cover the holes and they worked fine. Attached some pics. Rick On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: For those that might be using the stock, 12 fin oil cooler on a Corvair, with cooling ears, this was an intense little project. First I had to learn how to bend the metal around a welding rod then that tricky little vent to route the air over the oil cooler These cooling ears are Hans van der Voort designs, increase by 1 on the front. The access vent for the oil cooler is a total hip-shot on my part. If anyone sees a problem.PLEASE speak up! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (16 ribs down) -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:05 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important RGVhciBJbmZpZGVscywgDQoNClJlbWVtYmVyIHRvIHVzZSAwMDAwIGRlYWQgc29mdCBhbHVtaW51 bSB3aGVuIG1ha2luZyB5b3VyIGNvb2xpbmcgZXllYnJvd3MgaW4gb3JkZXINCmZvciB0aGVtIHRv IGhhdmUgbG9uZyBsaWZlLiAgSWYgeW91IHVzZSAyMDI0IFQzIHRoZXkgd2lsbCBsYXN0IGJ1dCBu b3QgbmVhcmx5IGFzDQpsb25nIGJlZm9yZSBjcmFja2luZy4gICANCg0KQWxzbyBhIG5pY2UgaGVt IGF0IHRoZSBmcm9udCB3aWxsIGhlbHAgYWxsZXZpYXRlIGNyYWNrcyBmcm9tIHByb3BhZ2F0aW5n IGZyb20gdGhhdA0KaGlnaC1zdHJlc3MgcmVnaW9uIGFuZCB0aGUgaGVtIHdpbGwgc3RyZW5ndGhl biB0aGUgd29yayBwaWVjZSBuaWNlbHksIHByZWZlcmFibHkgd2l0aA0KYSB0aGluIGRpYW1ldGVy IHN0YWlubGVzcyBzdGVlbCB3ZWxkaW5nIHJvZCAoMS8xNiIgZGlhbWV0ZXIgb3Igc28pIHdlYXZl ZCBpbiB0aGUgY3JlYXNlDQpvZiB0aGUgaGVtLiAgIA0KDQpBZ2FpbiB0aGUgVG9ueSBCaW5nZWxp cyBlbmdpbmUgYm9vayAoSSBiZWxpZXZlKSBjb3ZlcnMgY29vbGluZyBleWVicm93IGZhYnJpY2F0 aW9uIGlmIG5vdA0KbWlzdGFrZW4uIA0KDQpNaWtlIEMuIA0KDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:18 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios Starting to think about a radio, as I'll hopefully be flying this spring. I'd appreciate input based on your experiences. Also, should one get a nav/com or just a com? thanks, Douwe ps. inspection now postponed 'til Thursday. Pray for NO snow!!! pss. I don't really hate Dan either, but I'm not sure I want him parking next to me either... ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:54 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important Forgive me Father, for I have sinned...I used 6061 left over from the ill-fated 601 project. I know...I'll say a whole bunch of Hail Mary's... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important Dear Infidels, Remember to use 0000 dead soft aluminum when making your cooling eyebrows in order for them to have long life. If you use 2024 T3 they will last but not nearly as long before cracking. Also a nice hem at the front will help alleviate cracks from propagating from that high-stress region and the hem will strengthen the work piece nicely, preferably with a thin diameter stainless steel welding rod (1/16" diameter or so) weaved in the crease of the hem. Again the Tony Bingelis engine book (I believe) covers cooling eyebrow fabrication if not mistaken. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:01 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: leftover 6061 Save your Hail Mary's Gary for when your 6061 starts flapping uncontrollably in your propwash and rips a chunk off swirling it around your jugular taking out some center section fabric and banging up your tailfeathers on one side ! Kidding. No Hail Marys req'd no matter what aluminum you use for cooling eyebrows. The good news is that by the time you have to replace them with another set that no matter what aluminum you choose for that next set they will turn out even nicer than the first set. Just the law of airplane building. The second and third set of any part is always the nicest ! Glad you ditched the Zenith 601 project. The Pietenpol has a much lower fatality record. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:22 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios Douwe, I've been using an old Sportys with Nav/Com in my Baby Ace for 3 years. I've never used the Nav part. I bought an inexpensive Vertex VXA 220 for the Piet. It has rechargable batteries and a sideband(?) function where you can hear yourself through your headset. Also comes with headset adapter. What I really liked about this one was the large display, which I can read without reading glasses. I think you can pick one of them up for around $180. http://www.airportpilotshop.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VXA-220 On another cool note, my airworthiness inspection was just moved UP to Thursday. We have the potential to have the same "born-on" date. Ben On 2/9/2010 4:39 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" > > Starting to think about a radio, as I'll hopefully be flying this spring. > > I'd appreciate input based on your experiences. > > Also, should one get a nav/com or just a com? > > thanks, > > Douwe > > ps. inspection now postponed 'til Thursday. Pray for NO snow!!! > > pss. I don't really hate Dan either, but I'm not sure I want him parking > next to me either... > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:22 PM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios I have been thinking about radios also. I am building a different plane (mustang II) but am hoping to draw some info from your discussion here. I'm not aware of any Mustang owners with a handheld as the primary radio. I was trying to weigh the pros and cons of using a handheld versus a panel mount. Maybe they are best for open cockpit? Boyce ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:27 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important We use 3003-H14 for the metal forming demos at Sun 'n Fun. This is a half-hard alloy that forms easily and can be torch annealed if you work it too much. Widely used for lots of non-structural applications, including aircraft parts. We've also had the graces of a loaner bead roller from Mittler Brothers in years passed, along with a goodly set of assorted dies. Included in the set has been the stuff to make a wire-rolled edge. One of our guys made himself a nice set of eyebrows for his J-5 a couple years back. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" >Sent: Feb 9, 2010 4:29 PM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: cooling eyebrow aluminum material--important > >Dear Infidels, > >Remember to use 0000 dead soft aluminum when making your cooling eyebrows in order >for them to have long life. If you use 2024 T3 they will last but not nearly as >long before cracking. > >Also a nice hem at the front will help alleviate cracks from propagating from that >high-stress region and the hem will strengthen the work piece nicely, preferably with >a thin diameter stainless steel welding rod (1/16" diameter or so) weaved in the crease >of the hem. > >Again the Tony Bingelis engine book (I believe) covers cooling eyebrow fabrication if not >mistaken. > >Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:44 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall How'd you get the fuel gauge wire to move in time to the music? Gene do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall > Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:03 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios My preference would be just the com. That said, I've occasionally found it useful to get a cross-bearing on a VOR while happily flying along, guided by my GPS. David Paule > Also, should one get a nav/com or just a com? ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:49 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall Careful calibration after tricky titration. >:-} >How'd you get the fuel gauge wire to move in time to the music? > >Gene > >do not archive -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:18 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I hate Dan too now! Did anyone else notice the nice inlays at the bottom of the instrument panel? Way cool. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:42 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall That looked just downright dangerous, Jeff. :) Thanks for sharing that video. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 9, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > > > Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:01 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vicious Pietenpol stall I'm still having flashbacks. In between shots, of course. > > >That looked just downright dangerous, Jeff. :) > >Thanks for sharing that video. > >Wayne Bressler Jr. >Taildraggers, Inc. >taildraggersinc.com > >On Feb 9, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > >> >>Somebody was wondering about the vicious Pietenpol stall... >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIecJ9PAAU >>-- >> >>Jeff Boatright >>"Now let's think about this..." >> -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:06 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I hate Dan too now! I did. And I saw them when I visited Dan a couple weeks ago. They look even nicer in person.... -----Original Message----- >From: Wayne Bressler >Sent: Feb 9, 2010 5:47 PM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I hate Dan too now! > > >Did anyone else notice the nice inlays at the bottom of the instrument >panel? Way cool. > >Wayne Bressler Jr. >Taildraggers, Inc. >taildraggersinc.com > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:07 PM PST US From: John Smoyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page Thanks, Dan. One last (?) question: How wide was the leather piece before you rolled the edges? I was able to buy some leftovers from an upholsterer, and I hope it's enough. Thanks also for all the effort and time you've put into making and posting this fabulous set of instructions and photos. John Smoyer ________________________________ From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 6:29:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page John, No, that is the job of the contact cement-type spray adhesive. After it is all glued together it acts very much like a pepperoni sausage skin. Very tight up against the roll. There is wrinkling, but they are perfectly uniform mini-wrinkles. I really like the appearance, even more that if there were no wrinkles at all. My personal opinion. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: John Smoyer Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:07 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page Dan, This is really beautiful work. Did you have to wet the leather to get it to make those curves with minimal wrinkling? John S. ________________________________ From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 10:13:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page Rick, For example, the metal sticks out past the instrument palel 1 1/2", and the lacing holes at that point are 1 1/4" in from the edge of the metal. Around the sharp curves the holes get a little closer to the edge of the metal. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:55 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page Very nice work Dan. How far from the edge of the aluminum did you drill the holes for the lacing? Rick On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 2:48 PM, wrote: > > >A slight bit of wrinkling is evident in the curves, but it is very uniform and goes good with my "distressed" leather. I used round leather lacing cord I bought on line from Leather Cord USA. > > > >Lacing, about 1/2 way done. Originally my coaming metal stopped at the pilot back rest, but I added a piece to get more of a true "pit" look. > >Hope this info helps somebody. > >Dan Helsper >Poplar Grove, IL. > > > > > >> > > >" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >tp://forums.matronics.com >_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=================================== =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=================================== ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:18 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios Since I'm building an old time plane and have to have a radio ( and mode C transponder ) I would really prefer that this stuff is as unobtrusive as possible. So I purposely bought an old Delcom with all the controls on the end. I spent hours trying to figure out where to put that *&#% transponder so that I could see the numbers and work the dials. I think it's going down on the side by my right leg lying against the diagonal. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: handheld radios I have been thinking about radios also. I am building a different plane (mustang II) but am hoping to draw some info from your discussion here. I'm not aware of any Mustang owners with a handheld as the primary radio. I was trying to weigh the pros and cons of using a handheld versus a panel mount. Maybe they are best for open cockpit? 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