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1. 02:55 AM - Visiting w/Piet builders (Lawrence Williams)
2. 05:15 AM - Potential Pietenpol Engine (Jack Phillips)
3. 05:22 AM - Re: Leather coaming- Detailed instructions (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 05:44 AM - nothing to do with Piets but (H RULE)
5. 05:44 AM - Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine (H RULE)
6. 06:02 AM - Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine (Michael Perez)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine (Gary Boothe)
8. 06:11 AM - Sonex offering smoke kit for $220 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
9. 06:33 AM - SubSonex uses this jet engine (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
10. 06:33 AM - Re: Sonex offering smoke kit for $220 (Jeff Boatright)
11. 06:41 AM - Re: Visiting w/Piet builders (Jim Markle)
12. 07:19 AM - Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine (Ken Howe)
13. 07:46 AM - Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine (Ryan Mueller)
14. 07:46 AM - Gary's cutaway Corvair powered Spaceship One (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 08:01 AM - Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine (John Hofmann)
16. 08:09 AM - Re: Visiting w/Piet builders (Skip Gadd)
17. 08:09 AM - Re: Gary's cutaway Corvair powered Spaceship One (Ryan Mueller)
18. 08:21 AM - Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine (Mike)
19. 08:23 AM - Re: Gary's cutaway Corvair powered Spaceship One (Mike)
20. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
21. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine (Jack Phillips)
22. 09:42 AM - Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine (Gary Boothe)
23. 10:42 AM - carb heat (Oscar Zuniga)
24. 10:44 AM - Pietenpol project for sale!!!! (Dave Abramson)
25. 10:52 AM - Question for The Big Piet builders (Michael Groah)
26. 12:29 PM - Re: Question for The Big Piet builders (taildrags)
27. 12:48 PM - PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
28. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine (Gene Rambo)
29. 12:59 PM - Re: Question for The Big Piet builders (Barry Davis)
30. 01:08 PM - Re-edited the stall movie (Jeff Boatright)
31. 01:19 PM - careless wingdropping ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
32. 01:19 PM - Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET (Michael Groah)
33. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Question for The Big Piet builders (Michael Groah)
34. 01:26 PM - Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET (H RULE)
35. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET (Jim)
36. 01:35 PM - Re: careless wingdropping ! (Jeff Boatright)
37. 01:45 PM - Re: careless wingdropping ! (Dan Yocum)
38. 01:49 PM - Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET (taildrags)
39. 01:57 PM - Barry Davis-- good update ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
40. 01:58 PM - Re: careless wingdropping ! (taildrags)
41. 02:04 PM - Re: careless wingdropping ! (Jeff Boatright)
42. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: careless wingdropping ! (Jeff Boatright)
43. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET (H RULE)
44. 03:07 PM - Re: Pietenpol project for sale!!!! (Gary Boothe)
45. 05:24 PM - Re: handheld radios (kevinpurtee)
46. 05:29 PM - Re: Barry Davis-- good update ! (Barry Davis)
47. 05:39 PM - Re: Barry Davis-- good update ! (Jack Phillips)
48. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET (shad bell)
49. 06:11 PM - Power on, really nose high stalls (shad bell)
50. 06:29 PM - Ford engine options? (cook)
51. 06:41 PM - Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine (Wayne Bressler)
52. 11:06 PM - Re: My new 613.5 airfoil jig! (flea)
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| Subject: | Visiting w/Piet builders |
Following Jim Markle's lead, I try to visit other Pietenpol builders when I
know I'm in their neighborhood. My son and I spent a great afternoon with
Bill Sayer in Gig Harbor, WA today and all I can say is that Bill is headed
for an award.....he's been working on his Piet since 1974 !!!! Anyone know
of a longer build time?
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Truly, he's done a nice job with a steel tube fuse,-wings almost done and
a good looking Ford engine waiting to be fired. All the pieces are there a
nd about to go together.....maybe for the 85th anniversary, Bill?? I absolu
tely LOVED the firewall made from a galvanized drip-pan, He's centered it s
o the embossed logo will be visible through the radiator mount legs for a n
ice "period touch".
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Super to see what others are doing and how they're doing it. Way to go, Bil
l!
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Larry
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| Subject: | Potential Pietenpol Engine |
Here is a potential Pietenpol engine, and it's an aircraft engine - not one
of those unreliable auto engine conversions
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/for/1593965254.html
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Leather coaming- Detailed instructions |
Hi John,
The width of the cut pieces is 6-1/2". Then spray glue a 1" wide strip on
each long edge, wait for tack, and fold-up to make a 1/2" hem. I elected
to glue these hems instead of sewing them, because a lock-stitched seam
will not stretch as much, and you need that. Find center of overall lengt
h, mark-out hole patterns from center. Punch holes, but not all the way ou
t to the end. Now install grommets in the holes that are punched. Mask off
grommeted edges, and also about the last 4 inches of the far ends. Insert
1/2" copper pipe into pipe insulation, spray glue both the leather and pi
pe insulation (avoid same last 4 inches). Wait for tack, and CAREFULLY lay
pipe insulation down in exact center-line of leather. Roll pipe insulatio
n back and forth to "pick-up" and stick to the leather. Press all areas by
hand to make sure good you have good contact. After it dries do trial fit
on airplane and determine exact location of last sewn seam. I noticed min
e shrunk just a bit during the gluing process, so it is best to leave both
ends a little long until this point. I actually had to glue an additional
extension onto my pipe insulation to make it come out right. Now cut to
finish length and sew into loop. This is the reason you don't want to ini
tially glue all the way to the end. You will need these last few inches lo
ose in order to get it under the sewing machine to finish-sew. Now that yo
u have made that last sewn seam, you can go back and lay-out those last fe
w holes that you did not punch. You may have to "fudge" the hole spacing
to get it to look uniform and finished. Install those last few grommets.
Now you can glue the remainder of the "sausage" together near the last se
wn seam. This is trick with this contact cement, because as you know, the
glue must be applied to both surfaces and allowed to tack-up, before mati
ng. You may have to use a brush to apply, and insert pencils or sticks in
between the leather/foam, and then remove after tack and carefully lay to
gether. Tricky because yu only get one chance at positioning. Make sure yo
u get glue on all the surfaces otherwise you will end up with a bulge or
wrinkle. I got a little of this, but oh well. (Now you know one of the fl
aws).
One more thing. On all of the sewn seams, go back and sew down the "wings"
flat to either side, so excess seam leather lays flat and does not form
a bulge.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you need more.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Smoyer <mox499@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 8:46 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Thanks, Dan. One last (?) question: How wide was the leather piece befor
e you rolled the edges? I was able to buy some leftovers from an upholste
rer, and I hope it's enough.
Thanks also for all the effort and time you've put into making and posting
this fabulous set of instructions and photos.
John Smoyer
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 6:29:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
John,
No, that is the job of the contact cement-type spray adhesive. After it is
all glued together it acts very much like a pepperoni sausage skin. Very
tight up against the roll. There is wrinkling, but they are perfectly uni
form mini-wrinkles. I really like the appearance, even more that if there
were no wrinkles at all. My personal opinion.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Smoyer <mox499@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Dan,
This is really beautiful work. Did you have to wet the leather to get it
to make those curves with minimal wrinkling?
John S.
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 10:13:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Rick,
For example, the metal sticks out past the instrument palel 1 1/2", and th
e lacing holes at that point are 1 1/4" in from the edge of the metal. Aro
und the sharp curves the holes get a little closer to the edge of the meta
l.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:55 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coaming- last page
Very nice work Dan. How far from the edge of the aluminum did you drill th
e holes for the lacing?
Rick
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 2:48 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
A slight bit of wrinkling is evident in the curves, but it is very uniform
and goes good with my "distressed" leather. I used round leather lacing
cord I bought on line from Leather Cord USA.
Lacing, about 1/2 way done. Originally my coaming metal stopped at the pil
ot back rest, but I added a piece to get more of a true "pit" look.
Hope this info helps somebody.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | nothing to do with Piets but |
it is about a concept aircraft;
www.wired.com/autopia/2010/01/nasa-puffin/
I'm more interested in the idea of electric engines and the possibility of putting
one in my Piet someday and or my N3 Pup.
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| Subject: | Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine |
It's going to need a good cleaning first.Lots of dust on that engine!=0Ado
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llips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: W
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npol Engine=0A=0A=0AHere is a potential Pietenpol engine, and it=99s
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| Subject: | Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine |
That would require a lot of modifying to work with the Pietenpol airframe..
.right up my alley! If someone wants to buy the engine and get it running,
I'll do the plane mods...
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| Subject: | Potential Pietenpol Engine |
Jack,
That would be quite an engine for a Piet, but can it do this (see attached)?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Potential Pietenpol Engine
Here is a potential Pietenpol engine, and it's an aircraft engine - not one
of those unreliable auto engine conversions
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/for/1593965254.html
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Sonex offering smoke kit for $220 |
Of possible interest: http://www.aeroconversions.com/products/accessori
es/index.html
(I put my smoke system in for under $25, requires no electrics)
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| Subject: | SubSonex uses this jet engine |
This might make for easier W&B issues as opposed to the J57 at 8,000 pounds
.
Fuel burn would be more affordable too:)
Cost is 41,000 EUR or about $56,000 US.....engine only.
http://minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=58
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| Subject: | Re: Sonex offering smoke kit for $220 |
Yeah, but theirs has that nifty Aerovee decal. They don't just give
those things away, ya know.
>
>Of possible interest:
><http://www.aeroconversions.com/products/accessories/index.html>http://www.aeroconversions.com/products/accessories/index.html
>
>(I put my smoke system in for under $25, requires no electrics)
>
>
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"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Visiting w/Piet builders |
Incredibly fun, ain't it?!? What a joy.
If you're in the Seattle area for a while, make the beautiful ferry ride and drive
up to see Larry Prange and his Model A in Port Townsend.
Larry, I may be passing through your area in a few weeks so be ready! :-)
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Williams
Sent: Feb 9, 2010 8:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Visiting w/Piet builders
Following Jim Markle's lead, I try to visit other Pietenpol builders when I know
I'm in their neighborhood. My son and I spent a great afternoon with Bill Sayer
in Gig Harbor, WA today and all I can say is that Bill is headed for an award.....he's
been working on his Piet since 1974 !!!! Anyone know of a longer
build time?
blah, blah, blah...
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| Subject: | Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine |
Hey that's local to me, I should go check it out! Since I don't have my
fuse built yet I can glue my sticks up right around that puppy.
--Ken
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:13:50 -0500, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
Here is a potential Pietenpol engine, and it's an aircraft engine - not one
of those unreliable auto engine conversions
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/for/1593965254.html [1]
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
Links:
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[1] http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/for/1593965254.html
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| Subject: | Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine |
Maybe with a few mods you could use that Sonex smoke system with it....Sub
Sonex engine, Sonex smoke system, and complete the trifecta with a Sonex
tailwheel. ;)
Ryan
In miserable Chicago, Illinois
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> This might make for easier W&B issues as opposed to the J57 at 8,000
> pounds.
> Fuel burn would be more affordable tooJ
>
> Cost is 41,000 EUR or about $56,000 US=85..engine only.
>
>
> *http://minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=58*<http://minijets.org/typo3/i
ndex.php?id=58>
>
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| Subject: | Gary's cutaway Corvair powered Spaceship One |
Oh my God is that hilarious !
Wynne must have made Rutan drink the Coolaid !
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| Subject: | Re: Potential Pietenpol Engine |
They were able to replace the crankshaft with a turbine unit after it
snapped off... pockity....pockity.
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Jack,
>
> That would be quite an engine for a Piet, but can it do this (see
attached)?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 16 ribs done
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:14 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Potential Pietenpol Engine
>
> Here is a potential Pietenpol engine, and it=92s an aircraft engine '
not one of those unreliable auto engine conversions
>
> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/for/1593965254.html
>
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> <ss-vair.jpg>
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| Subject: | Visiting w/Piet builders |
Larry,
You made my day! I thought I had been working on my Piet a long time. Started mine
August 3, 1991.
Working on the rudder horn/tailwheel steering horns today.
Skip
,.....he's been working on his Piet since 1974 !!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Gary's cutaway Corvair powered Spaceship One |
Just a reminder...if you are looking for almost everything you need for your
own Spaceship One WW 'Vair Conversion, we can help you out. Drop me a line,
Ryan
rmueller23@gmail.com
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Oh my God is that hilarious !
>
>
> Wynne must have made Rutan drink the Coolaid !
>
>
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| Subject: | SubSonex uses this jet engine |
I dunno Mike, 40 gph for not much more capability than an O-200 isn't all
that affordable.
Mike Hardaway
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
This might make for easier W&B issues as opposed to the J57 at 8,000 pounds.
Fuel burn would be more affordable too:-)
Cost is 41,000 EUR or about $56,000 US...engine only.
<http://minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=58>
http://minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=58
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| Subject: | Gary's cutaway Corvair powered Spaceship One |
We gotta keep Boothe away from Photoshop.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gary's cutaway Corvair powered Spaceship One
Oh my God is that hilarious !
Wynne must have made Rutan drink the Coolaid !
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| Subject: | Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine |
Jim Franklin had a Stearman with a jet engine strapped to the bottom. It got such
poor "mileage" that he trailered it 107 SM from Ponca City to Fairview for
the airshow rather than fly 71NM.
Quite a show. Big radial sound with a jet whine overlay. Throttles forward, roll
about 150 feet and then climb straight up (and I mean straight up) a thousand
feet and start doing aerobatics.
So There is your answer. A Pockety, pockety model A in the nose and a jet strapped
to the bottom.
Don't forget the trailer for trips.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike <papa.bike.mike@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
> I dunno Mike, 40 gph for not much more capability than an O-200
> isn't all
> that affordable.
> Mike Hardaway
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> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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> D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:26 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
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| Subject: | SubSonex uses this jet engine |
Correct, except it was a Waco UPF-7, not a Stearman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHOF4eXC2o4&feature=related
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh. NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Jim Franklin had a Stearman with a jet engine strapped to the bottom. It got
such poor "mileage" that he trailered it 107 SM from Ponca City to Fairview
for the airshow rather than fly 71NM.
Quite a show. Big radial sound with a jet whine overlay. Throttles forward,
roll about 150 feet and then climb straight up (and I mean straight up) a
thousand feet and start doing aerobatics.
So There is your answer. A Pockety, pockety model A in the nose and a jet
strapped to the bottom.
Don't forget the trailer for trips.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike <papa.bike.mike@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
> I dunno Mike, 40 gph for not much more capability than an O-200
> isn't all
> that affordable.
> Mike Hardaway
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> _____
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Cuy, Michael
> D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:26 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
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> This might make for easier W&B issues as opposed to the J57 at
> 8,000 pounds.
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> Fuel burn would be more affordable too:-)
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> Cost is 41,000 EUR or about $56,000 US...engine only.
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> <http://minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=58>
> http://minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=58
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| Subject: | Potential Pietenpol Engine |
Cruel and vicious rumors..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Potential Pietenpol Engine
They were able to replace the crankshaft with a turbine unit after it
snapped off... pockity....pockity.
do not archive
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
Jack,
That would be quite an engine for a Piet, but can it do this (see attached)?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Potential Pietenpol Engine
Here is a potential Pietenpol engine, and it's an aircraft engine - not one
of those unreliable auto engine conversions
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/for/1593965254.html
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Jeff; now that I see the pic you posted, I
understand... we have different exhaust
setups entirely. Just the same, the pictures
of mine are here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/carbheat.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Pietenpol project for sale!!!! |
Hello Gents!
I am thinking to put my pietenpol project up for sale! No booos please!
This is the 4th year of construction.
Want to concentrate on my WW1 fighter project.
I have built as a 1 seater (rear seat)...... storage in
front......(could change back if you would like)
fuselage is on the gear, though gear is not complete. Airdrome
airplanes wheel package....Vitalis hinges....(the cast alum. ones)
Tail feathers done, and control horns made, bell crank made, ribs
done.
Have 2 coats of clear on everything but the Ribs....
Looking for $3,300 for the lot.(pretty firm on that)
Located at the Santa Maria Airport, in Santa Maria Ca. I live 200
miles away.... so cannot pop over there!
I can have a buddy snap a couple pictures if anyone is interested.
Please reply off list!!!!!!!!
Will continue to "lurk"..... you guys sure have alot of gooood info!
All the best,
Dave A.
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| Subject: | Question for The Big Piet builders |
I have a quick question for those Big Piet builders out there. I tried directly
emailing a couple of you but didn't get a response. Perhaps my email is getting
lost in the spam filters.
What did you guys do for props on your planes? Is everyone using the same prop?
What manufacturer? What size? I've asked other corvair piet owners on the list
about their prop choices and I'd like to add your recommendation to my list
of props so I have more to draw from when I make my choice.
Thanks so much!
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | Re: Question for The Big Piet builders |
Mike; I have a Tennessee Props 62x34 for the Corvair/Piet but it has not flown
so I don't know how well it might perform. The prop dimensions were recommended
to me by the company owner based on the engine specs I gave him (stock William
Wynne conversion, also not complete).
If you'd like to be the first to fly behind this prop, let me know and perhaps
I'd lend it out. There is a picture at the top of this page:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/corvair.html
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285863#285863
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| Subject: | PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET |
MIKE
THE PROP I GOT FROM TENNESSEE PROP WAS A 64 X 34 THAT THEY RECOMENDED
FOR THE
CORVAIR BASED PIETENPOL . I HAVEN'T RUN THE ENGINE YET SO I CAN'T VERIFY
ANYTHING
MORE .
TED STONE
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| Subject: | Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine |
Correct, but also he trailered it everywhere. I'm not sure it was legal
to fly other than exhibition.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips<mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net<mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net>>
Correct, except it was a Waco UPF-7, not a Stearman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHOF4eXC2o4&feature=related<http://www
.youtube.com/watch?v=BHOF4eXC2o4&feature=related>
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh. NC
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-ser
ver@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:43 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil<mailto:steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>>
Jim Franklin had a Stearman with a jet engine strapped to the bottom.
It got
such poor "mileage" that he trailered it 107 SM from Ponca City to
Fairview
for the airshow rather than fly 71NM.
Quite a show. Big radial sound with a jet whine overlay. Throttles
forward,
roll about 150 feet and then climb straight up (and I mean straight
up) a
thousand feet and start doing aerobatics.
So There is your answer. A Pockety, pockety model A in the nose and a
jet
strapped to the bottom.
Don't forget the trailer for trips.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike <papa.bike.mike@gmail.com<mailto:papa.bike.mike@gmail.com>>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:34
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> I dunno Mike, 40 gph for not much more capability than an O-200
> isn't all
> that affordable.
> Mike Hardaway
>
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> _____
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owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-ser
ver@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Cuy, Michael
> D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:26 AM
> To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
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> 8,000 pounds.
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> Fuel burn would be more affordable too:-)
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| Subject: | Question for The Big Piet builders |
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for The Big Piet builders
I have a quick question for those Big Piet builders out there. I tried
directly emailing a couple of you but didn't get a response. Perhaps my
email is getting lost in the spam filters. Some magazine articles used my
gmail account which I use for special stuff and rarely ever check. Please
contant me using the <mailto:bed@mindspring.com> bed@mindspring.com address
and put "Pietenpol" somewhere in the subject line, Outlook will sort it into
the correct mailbox.
What did you guys do for props on your planes? Is everyone using the same
prop? Yes What manufacturer? Culver from Valley Engineering in SE
Missouri What size? 66-30 Simitar I've asked other corvair piet owners on
the list about their prop choices and I'd like to add your recommendation to
my list of props so I have more to draw from when I make my choice. We did
the same research it sound like you are doing and came up with the 66-30. It
is a curved simitar (sp)? design which I am told is a little more efficient
than a straight prop. I cannot verify this. We are getting a static RPM of
2950 and are limited to 3100 for prop tip speed. Our corvairs will turn
right at 3100 flat-out on a level cruise. so this might be OK for us. Normal
takeoff is about 275-300 feet with a fairly good climb out. I don't quite
get to pattern altitude by the end of the runway 5500', but almost do.
Thanks
Barry Davis
(We plan to have 4 of the Big Piets at Sun n Fun if the weather will
cooperate. It's been too dang cold, windy, rainy, couldy, windy, cold,
rainy, etc to get the required hours flown off) Harold bought one of those
plug-in electric jackets, but hands and face stll take a beating. If my feet
get cold, I'm done.
Thanks so much!
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | Re-edited the stall movie |
I re-edited the stall movie over lunch. It's substantially shorter
but with added bits. (Now how does that work?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O7bNfCLAdQ
Sort of gives it a different feel. Hope you like it, now I'm back to work.
Jeff
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | careless wingdropping ! |
Aha ! Love you caption there Jeff and nice music selections.
Now go out this spring and really do a man's stall where you pull power bac
k to idle and really honk that nose up
there. You can do it, I know you can. Even then when the nose drops
you just add a touch of power and she's
flying again.
Nice job on re-editing man !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET |
Great. I'm collecting as much data on what other are using as I can. I added
your info to my list. Thanks.
________________________________
From: "TGSTONE236@aol.com" <TGSTONE236@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:40:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET
MIKE
THE PROP I GOT FROM TENNESSEE PROP WAS A 64 X 34
THAT THEY RECOMENDED FOR THE
CORVAIR BASED PIETENPOL . I HAVEN'T RUN THE ENGINE YET SO I
CAN'T VERIFY ANYTHING
MORE .
TED STONE
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| Subject: | Re: Question for The Big Piet builders |
Thank you Oscar. I appreciate the offer of a loan, but I think I'd just like to
order one for myself and be done with it. It seems several people have been
using the Tennessee props and people are running props from 66/30 to 62/34, with
most using a 64/34. I've added your info to my list as well.
Thanks
Mike Groah
________________________________
From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:28:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for The Big Piet builders
Mike; I have a Tennessee Props 62x34 for the Corvair/Piet but it has not flown
so I don't know how well it might perform. The prop dimensions were recommended
to me by the company owner based on the engine specs I gave him (stock William
Wynne conversion, also not complete).
If you'd like to be the first to fly behind this prop, let me know and perhaps
I'd lend it out. There is a picture at the top of this page:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/corvair.html
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285863#285863
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| Subject: | Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET |
I think you can get away with a longer prop than 64.I'm running a 72 X 42 T
ennessee and it's being driven by a four cylinder 80 hp Franklin and I'm ge
tting 85 mph on cruise and 90 mph on the full wide open.=0A=0A=0A=0A_______
_________________________=0AFrom: "TGSTONE236@aol.com" <TGSTONE236@aol.com>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, February 10, 2010 3:40:54
PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET=0A=0AMIKE=0A=0A--
-- THE PROP I GOT FROM TENNESSEE PROP WAS A 64 X 34 THAT THEY RECOMENDE
D FOR THE=0A=0A-CORVAIR BASED -PIETENPOL . I HAVEN'T RUN THE ENGINE YET
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| Subject: | Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET |
HI Mike,
Can't remember is I told you but have a Warp drive prop for my Corvair. It was
recommended by WW and I believe is 66" long. If you are ready to go with a prop
you can use mine as I am quite a ways from needing it yet.
Of course I would have to take you up on the offer to drive the Model T. I had
a Model A coupe in high school and loved it.
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Feb 10, 2010 01:23:48 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
Great. I'm collecting as much data on what other are using as I can. I added
your info to my list. Thanks.
From: "TGSTONE236@aol.com" <TGSTONE236@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:40:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET
MIKE
THE PROP I GOT FROM TENNESSEE PROP WAS A 64 X 34 THAT THEY RECOMENDED FOR
THE
CORVAIR BASED PIETENPOL . I HAVEN'T RUN THE ENGINE YET SO I CAN'T VERIFY ANYTHING
MORE .
TED STONE
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| Subject: | Re: careless wingdropping ! |
Oh, I've done the honking back stalls. Sometimes I even open my eyes!
>Aha ! Love you caption there Jeff and nice music selections.
>
>Now go out this spring and really do a man's stall where you pull
>power back to idle and really honk that nose up
>there. You can do it, I know you can. Even then when the
>nose drops you just add a touch of power and she's
>flying again.
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>Nice job on re-editing man !
>
>Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: careless wingdropping ! |
On 02/10/2010 03:16 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> Aha ! Love you caption there Jeff and nice music selections.
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> Now go out this spring and really do a mans stall where you pull power
"Spring," nuthin'. I think he went flying this past Monday! He's just
rubbing it in!
> back to idle and really honk that nose up
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> just add a touch of power and shes
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The power-on stalls in N8031 are simply amazing. With just me in there,
I couldn't get it to stall... maybe I was being a chicken, but I had the
stick back almost in my lap and the horizon went away and I was dancing
on the rudder pedals and I was afraid I was going to flip her over - she
just kept climbing and climbing and climbing... I gave up after gaining
about a thousand feet of altitude.
Thank you, sir, for a nice mini-mental vacation. I needed that.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET |
Harvey: I'll bet your Franklin develops rated power at something like 2300 RPM,
whereas the Corvair needs to turn 2900-3100 to develop full power. Thus, the
shorter prop to control tip speed.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Barry Davis-- good update ! |
Great to hear that four of your Big Piets might be at SNF Barry !
Can I ask how many of the Big Piets have made their 1st flights ? I hope
the weather moderates for you guys so
you can get some of your hours flown off in late Feb/ and March. Go for
it.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: careless wingdropping ! |
When I've done power-on stalls in 41CC, even with the 65, it felt like I was in
a space capsule, the nose gets so high. However, even power-on the stall break
is more of a round-out at the top than a sharp break, and certainly not a frightening
killer like some have said. The power-off stalls that Jeff demonstrates
in the video barely even get the nose above the horizon.
I keep my eyes open during stalls but I always close them when I start my flare
to landing. The sight of the ground rushing up so fast makes my blood pressure
shoot way up so I close my eyes in the flare and don't open them until the
passenger starts yelling about the airport fence coming up fast. I also like
to take a little nip of tequila sometimes when I'm climbing out on takeoff...
it clears my head and settles my nerves.
Probably do not archive
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: careless wingdropping ! |
We have this really bad leading edge on our Piet (I do not recommend
sheet aluminum, though others have had good luck). The shrinking of
the fabric pinched our leading edge in several places, making it very
pointy and non-uniform. The first time I tried a power-on stall, the
plane started climbing steeply as you describe, and then
just >snapped< over, dropping the right wing (see Mike, I don't
discriminate) and going right into the beginnings of a spin. Not the
end end of the world, but no warning and much faster than a C-150,
Citabria, or Katana (the only other planes I've done power-on stalls
in).
Now with the vortex generators, there's some stall warning buffeting
for both power-on and power-off stalls. Haven't really gotten a
power-on stall unless there is someone in the front pit and full
fuel. Maybe I'm just too chicken when flying solo and with a rearward
CG loading! The trick is to start from a very slow speed and keep
pulling back as you add power - just like if you were taking off and
not paying attention. If you want to add some spice, pretend like
you're turning crosswind with less than perfect coordination. Make
sure you're strapped in well and have some air under you if you
decide to do this.
Yep, the video is from a flight this past Monday evening. 50 degrees
and a 5 kt breeze out of the south. And then the front arrived...
>
>
>On 02/10/2010 03:16 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
>Corporation] wrote:
>>Aha ! Love you caption there Jeff and nice music selections.
>>
>>Now go out this spring and really do a man's stall where you pull power
>
>"Spring," nuthin'. I think he went flying this past Monday! He's
>just rubbing it in!
>
>>back to idle and really honk that nose up
>>
>>there. You can do it, I know you can. Even then when the nose drops you
>>just add a touch of power and she's
>>
>>flying again.
>
>The power-on stalls in N8031 are simply amazing. With just me in
>there, I couldn't get it to stall... maybe I was being a chicken,
>but I had the stick back almost in my lap and the horizon went away
>and I was dancing on the rudder pedals and I was afraid I was going
>to flip her over - she just kept climbing and climbing and
>climbing... I gave up after gaining about a thousand feet of
>altitude.
>
>Thank you, sir, for a nice mini-mental vacation. I needed that.
>
>Cheers,
>Dan
>
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: careless wingdropping ! |
You Texans and your tequila. Over here in the proper South, we have
more sophisticated tastes. Gin in the summer and whiskey in the
winter. Don't mix that up, son.
Hey, I thought I was getting back to work...
>
>When I've done power-on stalls in 41CC, even with the 65, it felt
>like I was in a space capsule, the nose gets so high. However, even
>power-on the stall break is more of a round-out at the top than a
>sharp break, and certainly not a frightening killer like some have
>said. The power-off stalls that Jeff demonstrates in the video
>barely even get the nose above the horizon.
>
>I keep my eyes open during stalls but I always close them when I
>start my flare to landing. The sight of the ground rushing up so
>fast makes my blood pressure shoot way up so I close my eyes in the
>flare and don't open them until the passenger starts yelling about
>the airport fence coming up fast. I also like to take a little nip
>of tequila sometimes when I'm climbing out on takeoff... it clears
>my head and settles my nerves.
>
>Probably do not archive
>
>--------
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>Air Camper NX41CC
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET |
Actually top rpm is 2600 but your right you would need the shorter prop for
such rpm's as the Corvair puts out.I stand corrected.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______
__________________________=0AFrom: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0ATo:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, February 10, 2010 4:49:23 PM=0ASu
bject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List me
ssage posted by: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A=0AHarvey: I'll bet
your Franklin develops rated power at something like 2300 RPM, whereas the
Corvair needs to turn 2900-3100 to develop full power.- Thus, the shorter
prop to control tip speed.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0ASan Antonio, TX
=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:/
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| Subject: | Pietenpol project for sale!!!! |
Dave,
Good luck on that WWI project! That sounds like a worthy endeavor.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Abramson
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project for sale!!!!
Hello Gents!
I am thinking to put my pietenpol project up for sale! No booos please!
This is the 4th year of construction.
Want to concentrate on my WW1 fighter project.
I have built as a 1 seater (rear seat)...... storage in
front......(could change back if you would like)
fuselage is on the gear, though gear is not complete. Airdrome
airplanes wheel package....Vitalis hinges....(the cast alum. ones)
Tail feathers done, and control horns made, bell crank made, ribs
done.
Have 2 coats of clear on everything but the Ribs....
Looking for $3,300 for the lot.(pretty firm on that)
Located at the Santa Maria Airport, in Santa Maria Ca. I live 200
miles away.... so cannot pop over there!
I can have a buddy snap a couple pictures if anyone is interested.
Please reply off list!!!!!!!!
Will continue to "lurk"..... you guys sure have alot of gooood info!
All the best,
Dave A.
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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| Subject: | Re: handheld radios |
Douwe - I'm using an ICOM A6 (I think, it's the one that's com only). My GPS covers
the nav part. I had fits with people hearing me on the handheld I'd borrowed
& discovered that that is a common complaint. I spent a lot of money &
bought a whole radio/intercom package from the people at Miracle Antenna: ICOM
A6, two lightspeed headsets, intercom, power source the "miracle antenna" (which
really works). I've mentioned before that, while expensive, the package from
those folks is actually cheaper than buying the pieces. So far so good, I
can talk to radios 50 miles away and I can talk comfortably to the person in
the front seat.
Kevin Purtee
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| Subject: | Barry Davis-- good update ! |
Thanks Mike
So far 4 of the 6 (Harold, Bruce, Frank and myself) are flying with various
hours but none over 27 hours. We had 4 signed off the same day and testing
started soon after. We decided to do some modifications and this has taken
some time. Since Tom (5th Big Piet) did not get his sign-off with ours,
(using FAA instead of a DE) he is making the mods as we change our planes
and should be ready for sign-off very soon. He probably will not have enough
hours to venture out very far, so Sun n Fun is out for him. If you know Tom,
he is already grumbling about having to sleep in a tent.
The Corvairs turned out to be the least of our worries as they run great and
have plenty of power to spare.
A note on our props, we planed our own wood and glued up blanks to carve our
propellers, but with the push to try to make Oshkosh last year, we opted to
let Alaina at Valley Engineering make some for us. She glued, carved and
finished 6 props in just a couple of weeks. Still the "90% done-90% to go"
rule won out and we just could not make it. Still we did 6 planes in 6-1/2
years and missing our deadline by one month wasn't too bad after all. At
least we got 4 of them completed and flying in '09, the Piet anniversary.
The weather looks bad the rest of this week and next week our EAA Chapter
will be on a cruise to the Bahamas. We won't get any flying done, but at
least we might be warm...
Thanks again
Barry Davis
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Barry Davis-- good update !
Great to hear that four of your Big Piets might be at SNF Barry !
Can I ask how many of the Big Piets have made their 1st flights ? I hope
the weather moderates for you guys so
you can get some of your hours flown off in late Feb/ and March. Go for
it.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Barry Davis-- good update ! |
So have you chosen who gets which airplane now?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Barry Davis-- good update !
Thanks Mike
So far 4 of the 6 (Harold, Bruce, Frank and myself) are flying with various
hours but none over 27 hours. We had 4 signed off the same day and testing
started soon after. We decided to do some modifications and this has taken
some time. Since Tom (5th Big Piet) did not get his sign-off with ours,
(using FAA instead of a DE) he is making the mods as we change our planes
and should be ready for sign-off very soon. He probably will not have enough
hours to venture out very far, so Sun n Fun is out for him. If you know Tom,
he is already grumbling about having to sleep in a tent.
The Corvairs turned out to be the least of our worries as they run great and
have plenty of power to spare.
A note on our props, we planed our own wood and glued up blanks to carve our
propellers, but with the push to try to make Oshkosh last year, we opted to
let Alaina at Valley Engineering make some for us. She glued, carved and
finished 6 props in just a couple of weeks. Still the "90% done-90% to go"
rule won out and we just could not make it. Still we did 6 planes in 6-1/2
years and missing our deadline by one month wasn't too bad after all. At
least we got 4 of them completed and flying in '09, the Piet anniversary.
The weather looks bad the rest of this week and next week our EAA Chapter
will be on a cruise to the Bahamas. We won't get any flying done, but at
least we might be warm...
Thanks again
Barry Davis
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Barry Davis-- good update !
Great to hear that four of your Big Piets might be at SNF Barry !
Can I ask how many of the Big Piets have made their 1st flights ? I hope
the weather moderates for you guys so
you can get some of your hours flown off in late Feb/ and March. Go for
it.
Mike C.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject: | Re: PROP FOR CORVAIR PIET |
Group, We have a Hegy 66-30 and have no complaints.- We are getting about
75-80mph cruise at about 5gph.- We also bought another hegy 66-30 second
hand and I am in the revarnish and experiment phase with the spare prop. I
am going to try the dimple tape and see what kind of performance we get.
- They claim up to 10-20% increase in power on a continental 65, so I wil
l see what the numbers are with the new prop.- If I don't watch it I migh
t have to install a mach meter in our Bell Ex-1.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Power on, really nose high stalls |
One of may favirot things to do is a really deep stall, pull the nose up 45
degrees or so and hold on.- As soon as she falls off it's flying again,
no power required.- I have talked to one anonomous individule who says he
looped his piet when he was much younger (he still flys his piet), but I d
on't want to try it!- I haven't had to urge to spin the piet, but I dont
think it would be a problem, it has plenty of rudder authority.
-
Shad , in snowy, blowey Ohio (home of the 1st "new" Buckeye Pietenpol Fly-I
n)=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Ford engine options? |
I am considering building a Pietenpol's or purchasing a project. I have always
had a soft spot for the Ford Model A Pietenpol's. I was wondering if the Ford
2.8L "cologne" V6 motor with direct drive would be a good option? Or even the
Ford 2.3L 4cyl? I am curious to know what these motors weigh in relation to the
Model A. I would like to keep it a direct drive similar to the Model A. Any
help will be appreciated!
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| Subject: | Re: SubSonex uses this jet engine |
Trailering would just be easier, overall. No worrying about weather,
and you can keep your tools and spares in the trailer. Plus, it gives
you the opportunity to really inspect the ship before each event
during reassembly.
A number of performers do this, but not all.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Feb 10, 2010, at 3:54 PM, "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> Correct, but also he trailered it everywhere. I'm not sure it was
> legal to fly other than exhibition.
>
> Gene
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Phillips
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:25 PM
> Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
>
> >
>
> Correct, except it was a Waco UPF-7, not a Stearman.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHOF4eXC2o4&feature=related
>
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh. NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Dortch,
> Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:43 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
>
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> Jim Franklin had a Stearman with a jet engine strapped to the
> bottom. It got
> such poor "mileage" that he trailered it 107 SM from Ponca City to
> Fairview
> for the airshow rather than fly 71NM.
>
> Quite a show. Big radial sound with a jet whine overlay. Throttles
> forward,
> roll about 150 feet and then climb straight up (and I mean straight
> up) a
> thousand feet and start doing aerobatics.
>
> So There is your answer. A Pockety, pockety model A in the nose and
> a jet
> strapped to the bottom.
>
> Don't forget the trailer for trips.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike <papa.bike.mike@gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:34
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> > I dunno Mike, 40 gph for not much more capability than an O-200
> > isn't all
> > that affordable.
> > Mike Hardaway
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Cuy, Michael
> > D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:26 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: SubSonex uses this jet engine
> >
> >
> >
> > This might make for easier W&B issues as opposed to the J57 at
> > 8,000 pounds.
> >
> > Fuel burn would be more affordable too:-)
> >
> > Cost is 41,000 EUR or about $56,000 US...engine only.
> >
> >
> > <http://minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=58>
> > http://minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=58
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> >http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: My new 613.5 airfoil jig! |
Any word yet on availability of a 613.5 jig?
Jim
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