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1. 03:11 AM - Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! (Tim White)
2. 04:01 AM - Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:09 AM - Not 3 in 1 day; WAS: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! (Jeff Boatright)
4. 05:42 AM - Thanks all! congrats BEN!! (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 06:24 AM - Good job, Ben (Tim Willis)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: Thanks all! congrats BEN!! (Ben Charvet)
7. 07:04 AM - inspection (airlion)
8. 07:05 AM - Re: Thanks all! congrats BEN!! (Pieti Lowell)
9. 07:12 AM - Re: inspection (Jack Phillips)
10. 07:13 AM - Re: inspection (Gary Boothe)
11. 07:16 AM - Re: inspection (Pieti Lowell)
12. 07:24 AM - Re: inspection (Jeff Boatright)
13. 07:41 AM - Re: inspection (Skip Gadd)
14. 08:13 AM - Low Flying Airplane Parts (Gary Boothe)
15. 08:31 AM - formation flying (Oscar Zuniga)
16. 08:42 AM - Re: inspection (Dan Yocum)
17. 08:42 AM - Re: formation flying (airlion)
18. 08:49 AM - Re: formation flying (Steve Ruse)
19. 08:52 AM - Re: formation flying (Gary Boothe)
20. 08:52 AM - Re: inspection (airlion)
21. 08:52 AM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Richard Schreiber)
22. 08:57 AM - Re: formation flying (Jeff Boatright)
23. 09:13 AM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Thomas Bernie)
24. 09:43 AM - Re: formation flying (Mike)
25. 10:12 AM - Re: formation flying (Tim Willis)
26. 10:35 AM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (David Paule)
27. 10:44 AM - Re: formation flying (Dan Yocum)
28. 11:00 AM - Re: formation flying (Gary Boothe)
29. 11:06 AM - Reminder to update paper pilot certificates (chase143(at)aol.com)
30. 11:25 AM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
31. 11:31 AM - Re: formation flying (airlion)
32. 11:46 AM - Re: inspection (Jerry Dotson)
33. 12:01 PM - photos from Gardiner and Air & Space update (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
34. 12:26 PM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Ben Charvet)
35. 12:52 PM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Ben Charvet)
36. 01:49 PM - formation flying (Oscar Zuniga)
37. 02:33 PM - looks great Ben ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
38. 06:13 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin Jet Waco UPF-7 , off topic (Larry Vetter)
39. 08:40 PM - Re: formation flying (Jim)
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Subject: | Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! |
Ben,
Congratulations! When you're allowed to leave the area, fly up and see
me at Woods and Lakes. I just got my airworthiness certificate for my
Rans S-6S two weeks ago. Another guy here at the airpark is flying off
the 40 hours since I don't have a taildragger rating. I thought I could
take lessons while flying off the 40 hours, but not so. Still working
on my Pietenpol in Ohio.
Be Careful,
Tim White
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Charvet
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire
process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman
certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so
getting it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word
for it that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems
anywhere. Now if the winds will calm down and the rain will stay away I
can work on my flying proficiency to get ready for the next big
milestone!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun
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Subject: | Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! |
CONGRATULATIONS BEN, WELL DONE!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 11, 2010 5:22 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire process
only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman certificate
at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so getting it started
took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word for it that the oil
temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems anywhere. Now if the wind
s will calm down and the rain will stay away I can work on my flying profi
ciency to get ready for the next big milestone!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun
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Subject: | NX866BC Just passed inspection too! |
Guys,
Sorry, that was some email weirdness in the reply. Ben is the one who
got his airworthiness cert, I was just congratulating him. Somehow I
messed up the reply text. Our Piet has had it's cert since '76.
Jeff
>
>Congrats to you also, Jeff. 2 in one day thats quite an
>accomplishment. How about posting a pic for us.
>Dick N.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:05 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too!
>
>>
>>Congratulations!
>>
>>I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. ...and I also
>>got the repairman certificate at the same time.
>>--
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>>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>>Emory University School of Medicine
>>Editor-in-Chief
>>Molecular Vision
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Subject: | Thanks all! congrats BEN!! |
Thank you everybody for the congrats, and especially for the help and
encouragement through the years.
CONGRATULATIONS BEN!! What a funny coincidence, two in one day.
Dan, he did not ask me to start it. I had called him up before hand after
someone mentioned it was a possibility. He said "I figure if it won't
start, you won't fly very far". Super nice guy and a great experience, the
guy actually had the mindset of a... public servant. He was very helpful
and informative and gave me lots of "inside tips" about various things.
Gave me a huge test area, 75 mile radius. Lowell suggested I ask for a
100yd wide strip up to Brodhead as it would probably be about the same
square mileage!
She's in my studio so we've got to take the wings off and get her to the
strip, reassemble and start her up. Been awefully cold here for too much
ground running but I will be completely ready for the first decent days so
we can get all the bugs worked out and then, Mr. Lowell Frank will be coming
down to do the honors as he's probably got more Piet time than anyone alive,
THANKS LOWELL!!
FYI, the inspector said you CAN take passengers up during the test phase IF
they are "needed for the testing". So, for example, rather than a sandbag
(a guy got killed recently when his sandbag shifted and blocked the
controls) you can take someone up for a gross weight test. Or if you need
someone to watch for traffic while you monitor gauges, he said that is okay.
He said, just be sure you inform them they are participating in a test
flight and be sure you LOG it prior to the flight and give the reason they
are there.
Someone asked how long... I've purchased this project from Bill Marshall
who started it in 1991. He worked on it part of the year (did winters in
FL) until around 2000 when he got sick. I bought it from him right before
he died in 2002 and have been working on it since then. Had to tear down my
engine once and built three sets of wheels and a second gas tank so I took a
few steps backward, but finally made it... almost.
Like everyone says, the trick is to just keep it moving forward, and a
really good tip is to "try to touch it every day" even if you just spend
five minutes painting a part or sanding some edges or even sweeping the
shop/hangar. Try to look at it as a bunch of little projects, like "this
week I'm going to build a bunch of controls" and approach it like an
individual project. Building this plane was really just a LOT of little
building projects which in the end go together to create something
completely worth it.
CHUG, CHUG, CHUG, and one day, you look at your "to do"list and it's all
crossed off.
Thanks again.
Douwe
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Congratulations. Have you posted a pic? If so, I missed it-- sorry.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Thanks all! congrats BEN!! |
On 2/12/2010 8:44 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> CHUG, CHUG, CHUG, and one day, you look at your "to do"list and it's all
> crossed off.
>
>
And what a great feeling that is.. I had a very similar experience
with my FAA inspector. He did tell me in advance that he would want to
see the engine run. When I checked the oil before startup it was about
the consistency of honey. I was fortunate enough to have a workshop in
my back yard, so I could work on it a little nearly every day. I found
that if I was away from it for a week, I would spend quite a bit of time
remembering where I left off.
This Pietenpol experience has been quite a journey. While putting
together an album of construction photos for the inspection it became
apparent how much life happens over 5 years. There were pictures of
dogs and relatives that are no longer with me, and pictures of
grand-children at different ages. As Mike Cuy mentioned on a post
yesterday, the journey is far from over (I hope), and one day soon those
grand-children will be passengers. Who knows, they could end up
inheriting the thing.
This list has been fantastic, as was meeting so many of you at Brodhead
2008. I've talked my wife into going to Brodhead with me this year.
Won't be bringing the Piet, but at least by then we should have some
in-flight videos
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
NX866BC
Airworthy, Insured, ready to go
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Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go
around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south..
Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover
over the front pit. Gardiner Mason
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Subject: | Re: Thanks all! congrats BEN!! |
Ben: Congrats to you for your diligent work, and you might ask your Wife if she
doesn't mind me helping her into the front seat of my OLD Piet I will give her
a ride at Brodhead year 2010.
Pieti Lowell
PS In spite of my old Piet and body I still get a kick flying with a passenger
just to see them smile, some times I get a peck on the cheek.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286123#286123
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Way to go, Gardiner! I knew you had to be getting close. Will you have it
at Sun 'n' Fun? If so, we should have a pretty good gathering of Pietenpols
there.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection
Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first
go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny
south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to
put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason
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Gardiner,
That's great news! What does 'passing the first go around' mean?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection
Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first
go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny
south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to
put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason
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And a good CONGRATS to you Gardiner. Wear more warm cloths, get up there, short
hops help the winter blues.
I have been up 3 times since the 31St January and nothing above 20 degrees F. I
guess when one gets into the 80,s there isn't any feelings anywhere.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286132#286132
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Gardiner,
A cover for the front pit, for me, is the difference between flying
in winter and not! It makes a big differenc.
Jeff
>
>Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed
>the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold
>here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you
>know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner
>Mason
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Ben, Douwe, and Gardiner,
Wow!!! Three new official Pietenpols, I'll bet there will be more work on
Piet projects this week than any week in history.
Way to go guys.
Skip
>
> Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the
first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in
the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I
will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason
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Subject: | Low Flying Airplane Parts |
Definitely Piet related:
Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while working
on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little, and bled a little, I
couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have done
something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room, as usual?)
No doubt, some wise-aker will say, "That wouldn't have happened if you were
working on the ribs, as you should be."
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
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Subject: | formation flying |
Jim wrote-
>Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon
>that the RV's will be running for cover.
Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV
formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship
formation flight that they made in Georgia), but
with Piets.
Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them
hand-propped and warmed up, then another two
minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and
in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen
minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm...
90 minutes and by now some of them are running
low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are
getting cold from being in the air so long.
Formation starts to come together, it's been
an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older
pilots are feeling the need to lighten our
bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now,
the others starting to come together, but now
a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
After two plus hours in the air, even the best
of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and
backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing
and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due
to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody
is very interested in completing the formation
flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down
some insecticide on a field, not drone through
the air over and over.
Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet
and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding
right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
altitude and get back in formation.
And in all that time the airplanes have only
completed four circuits of the field since Piets
fly so slow. Wives and families have started to
leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter
left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has
gotten bored and gone home ;o)
Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights
to the RV guys!!!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Jeez, a person can't keep up, can they...
It's a good thing I'm not raising a glass to every accomplishment you
guys make - I'd be under the table, by now.
Congrats, Gardiner!
On 02/12/2010 09:02 AM, airlion wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion<airlion@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go
around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south..
Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a
cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: formation flying |
great article Oscar. Gardiner.
--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:30 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Jim wrote-
>
> >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon
> >that the RV's will be running for cover.
>
> Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV
> formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship
> formation flight that they made in Georgia), but
> with Piets.
>
> Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them
> hand-propped and warmed up, then another two
> minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and
> in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen
> minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm...
> 90 minutes and by now some of them are running
> low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are
> getting cold from being in the air so long.
>
> Formation starts to come together, it's been
> an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older
> pilots are feeling the need to lighten our
> bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now,
> the others starting to come together, but now
> a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
>
> After two plus hours in the air, even the best
> of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and
> backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing
> and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due
> to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody
> is very interested in completing the formation
> flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down
> some insecticide on a field, not drone through
> the air over and over.
>
> Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet
> and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding
> right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
> altitude and get back in formation.
>
> And in all that time the airplanes have only
> completed four circuits of the field since Piets
> fly so slow. Wives and families have started to
> leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter
> left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has
> gotten bored and gone home ;o)
>
> Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights
> to the RV guys!!!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: formation flying |
Good one Oscar...people are looking at me wondering why I'm laughing.
You should turn that into an official Pietenpol formation flight
instruction manual.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> Jim wrote-
>
>> Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon
>> that the RV's will be running for cover.
>
> Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV
> formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship
> formation flight that they made in Georgia), but
> with Piets.
>
> Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them
> hand-propped and warmed up, then another two
> minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and
> in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen
> minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm...
> 90 minutes and by now some of them are running
> low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are
> getting cold from being in the air so long.
>
> Formation starts to come together, it's been
> an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older
> pilots are feeling the need to lighten our
> bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now,
> the others starting to come together, but now
> a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
>
> After two plus hours in the air, even the best
> of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and
> backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing
> and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due
> to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody
> is very interested in completing the formation
> flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down
> some insecticide on a field, not drone through
> the air over and over.
>
> Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet
> and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding
> right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
> altitude and get back in formation.
>
> And in all that time the airplanes have only
> completed four circuits of the field since Piets
> fly so slow. Wives and families have started to
> leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter
> left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has
> gotten bored and gone home ;o)
>
> Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights
> to the RV guys!!!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Subject: | formation flying |
Oscar,
As usual, your Battle Contingency Plan is spot on. Maybe that's why WWI
flights started out with everyone taking off at the same time from a big
field!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying
Jim wrote-
>Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon
>that the RV's will be running for cover.
Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV
formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship
formation flight that they made in Georgia), but
with Piets.
Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them
hand-propped and warmed up, then another two
minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and
in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen
minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm...
90 minutes and by now some of them are running
low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are
getting cold from being in the air so long.
Formation starts to come together, it's been
an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older
pilots are feeling the need to lighten our
bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now,
the others starting to come together, but now
a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
After two plus hours in the air, even the best
of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and
backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing
and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due
to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody
is very interested in completing the formation
flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down
some insecticide on a field, not drone through
the air over and over.
Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet
and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding
right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
altitude and get back in formation.
And in all that time the airplanes have only
completed four circuits of the field since Piets
fly so slow. Wives and families have started to
leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter
left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has
gotten bored and gone home ;o)
Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights
to the RV guys!!!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Jack, I won't have it at Sun N Fun I have not flown the hours off, and I will be
working in the woodshop carving a spare prop with PF Beck. I hope to fly it
to Brodhead though. Cheers, Gariner
--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: inspection
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 10:10 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Way to go, Gardiner! I knew you had to be getting
> close. Will you have it
> at Sun 'n' Fun? If so, we should have a pretty good
> gathering of Pietenpols
> there.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:02 AM
> To: pietenpol
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection
>
>
> Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and
> passed the first
> go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold
> here in the sunny
> south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what.
> I will have to
> put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Email Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Low Flying Airplane Parts |
Gary:
I had so many cuts, scrapes and bruises when I was working on my straight
axle gear, I felt like wearing a helmet.
do not archive
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/12/2010 10:24:00 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts
>
> Definitely Piet related:
>
> Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while
working
> on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little, and bled a little, I
> couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have
done
> something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room, as usual?)
>
> No doubt, some wise-aker will say, "That wouldn't have happened if you
were
> working on the ribs, as you should be."
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 16 ribs done
>
>
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Subject: | Re: formation flying |
"Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet
and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding
right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
altitude and get back in formation."
I fell out trying to go slow enough to let Larry keep up! >:-}
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts |
I have felt your pain.
On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Definitely Piet related:
>
> Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while
working
> on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little, and bled a little, I
> couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have
done
> something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room, as usual?)
>
> No doubt, some wise-aker will say, "That wouldn't have happened if you
were
> working on the ribs, as you should be."
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 16 ribs done
>
>
> <000_1663.jpg>
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Subject: | formation flying |
Oscar,
Some of us aging aviators have resigned ourselves to wearing catheters
(external!!). I can carry a full thermos of coffee and not have to stop. I
can out fly the fuel tank!
(I guess you won't be flying under me, now, will you?)
Mike
PS Get a free sample here:
http://www.southwestmedical.com/category/Mentor-External-Catheters/595
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Jim wrote-
>Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon that the RV's will be
>running for cover.
Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more
recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets.
Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up,
then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a
holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into
formation. Hmmm...
90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others
have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long.
Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen
of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty
planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a
few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on
fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and
uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs),
and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want
to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone
through the air over and over.
Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing
since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
altitude and get back in formation.
And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the
field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the
airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even
Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o)
Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: formation flying |
Oscar,
Stu XXXXXX, of formation flying fame, is a member of my (Austin) EAA chapter.
I will show this to him, if you don't mind. (He has a good sense of humor despite
his senseless addiction to flying in formation, perhaps left over from being
a USAF bird colonel.) The pix I've seen of his formations looked like all
RVs.
Herding Piets would be like herding cats-- take Stu to a whole new level.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 12, 2010 11:30 AM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying
>
>
>
>Jim wrote-
>
>>Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon
>>that the RV's will be running for cover.
>
>Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV
>formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship
>formation flight that they made in Georgia), but
>with Piets.
>
>Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them
>hand-propped and warmed up, then another two
>minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and
>in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen
>minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm...
>90 minutes and by now some of them are running
>low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are
>getting cold from being in the air so long.
>
>Formation starts to come together, it's been
>an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older
>pilots are feeling the need to lighten our
>bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now,
>the others starting to come together, but now
>a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
>
>After two plus hours in the air, even the best
>of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and
>backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing
>and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due
>to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody
>is very interested in completing the formation
>flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down
>some insecticide on a field, not drone through
>the air over and over.
>
>Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet
>and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding
>right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
>altitude and get back in formation.
>
>And in all that time the airplanes have only
>completed four circuits of the field since Piets
>fly so slow. Wives and families have started to
>leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter
>left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has
>gotten bored and gone home ;o)
>
>Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights
>to the RV guys!!!
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts |
I'll bet that you could find some Cessna control surface corrugated aluminum
to cover the part with. Then instead of a slice you'll get Cessna Diamonds.
Not sure whether that would be an improvement, though.
David Paule
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Subject: | Re: formation flying |
What a Pietenpol formation might look like:
http://www.uhgpga.org/Portals/0/T%20pics/Valle-worlds-2009-gaggle.jpg
OK, definitely not, but still a cool picture...
do not archive
On 02/12/2010 10:30 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Jim wrote-
>
>> Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon
>> that the RV's will be running for cover.
>
> Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV
> formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship
> formation flight that they made in Georgia), but
> with Piets.
>
> Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them
> hand-propped and warmed up, then another two
> minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and
> in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen
> minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm...
> 90 minutes and by now some of them are running
> low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are
> getting cold from being in the air so long.
>
> Formation starts to come together, it's been
> an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older
> pilots are feeling the need to lighten our
> bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now,
> the others starting to come together, but now
> a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
>
> After two plus hours in the air, even the best
> of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and
> backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing
> and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due
> to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody
> is very interested in completing the formation
> flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down
> some insecticide on a field, not drone through
> the air over and over.
>
> Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet
> and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding
> right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
> altitude and get back in formation.
>
> And in all that time the airplanes have only
> completed four circuits of the field since Piets
> fly so slow. Wives and families have started to
> leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter
> left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has
> gotten bored and gone home ;o)
>
> Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights
> to the RV guys!!!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | formation flying |
AKA...Human Element Range Extenders...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formation flying
Oscar,
Some of us aging aviators have resigned ourselves to wearing catheters
(external!!). I can carry a full thermos of coffee and not have to stop. I
can out fly the fuel tank!
(I guess you won't be flying under me, now, will you?)
Mike
PS Get a free sample here:
http://www.southwestmedical.com/category/Mentor-External-Catheters/595
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Jim wrote-
>Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon that the RV's will be
>running for cover.
Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more
recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets.
Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up,
then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a
holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into
formation. Hmmm...
90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others
have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long.
Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen
of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty
planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a
few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on
fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and
uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs),
and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want
to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone
through the air over and over.
Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing
since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
altitude and get back in formation.
And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the
field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the
airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even
Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o)
Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Reminder to update paper pilot certificates |
Slightly off topic, but don't forget: Paper Pilot Certificates expire 31 March,
2010:
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/
Steve
Owings, MD
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286177#286177
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Subject: | Low Flying Airplane Parts |
Ouch. Always good to have band aids in the work shop Gary. Tweezers too for
those wood and metal slivers.
I used an old Craftsman hand me down table saw to make thousands of cuts during
my project (many of them mistakes !) and purchased a $100 Freud blade that cut
like butter. I always used push sticks in both hands but once I got a little
careless
and a piece of poplar about 3/4"x 2" shot back at me faster than I could blink
and
left an orange-sized purple bump on my belly.
Had a guy at OSH walk into my right aileron horn while he was watching the air
show.
The airframe shook hard and this guy fell to his knees with blood pouring down
his face.
Not pretty.
If you don't get glue in your hair or some minor injury now and then you're probably
not
working much on your project. Good to hear you're workin' it Gary.
Mike C.
do not archive
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Subject: | formation flying |
My first solo as a navcad in pensacola was at an outlying grass field with 6 other
SNJ's. We all took off at once and you can imagine what that take-off run
looked like. We could do that too in our Piets. Gardiner
--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formation flying
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:51 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> Oscar,
>
> As usual, your Battle Contingency Plan is spot on. Maybe
> that's why WWI
> flights started out with everyone taking off at the same
> time from a big
> field!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 16 ribs done
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying
>
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Jim wrote-
>
> >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon
> >that the RV's will be running for cover.
>
> Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV
> formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship
> formation flight that they made in Georgia), but
> with Piets.
>
> Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them
> hand-propped and warmed up, then another two
> minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and
> in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen
> minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm...
> 90 minutes and by now some of them are running
> low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are
> getting cold from being in the air so long.
>
> Formation starts to come together, it's been
> an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older
> pilots are feeling the need to lighten our
> bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now,
> the others starting to come together, but now
> a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
>
> After two plus hours in the air, even the best
> of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and
> backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing
> and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due
> to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody
> is very interested in completing the formation
> flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down
> some insecticide on a field, not drone through
> the air over and over.
>
> Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet
> and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding
> right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
> altitude and get back in formation.
>
> And in all that time the airplanes have only
> completed four circuits of the field since Piets
> fly so slow. Wives and families have started to
> leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter
> left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has
> gotten bored and gone home ;o)
>
> Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights
> to the RV guys!!!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Email Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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Gardiner congratulations to you. There was no doubt that it would PASS. Guys I
have been to his hangar and drooled on NX840LM. Nice Corvair install too. It has
a very nice cable operated trim tab.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286184#286184
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Subject: | photos from Gardiner and Air & Space update |
Gardiner-- any chance you could post some photos of your completed airplane for
us
to enjoy ? Very exciting news from all of you three, Douwe, Ben, and yourself.
I'd love to see as many photos as any of you wish to post.
Also it was really nice of Barry Davis to post those photos of some of the Big
Piets
in flight and on the ground.
I have a feeling that EAA and Mary Jones will give you guys more press when you
surface
at SNF again in Sport Aviation which will be great to see.
Along those lines, I spoke with the photo and art editor of our upcoming Smithsonian
Air & Space Pietenpol Air Camper article by former WWII AAF pilot veteran/ turned
author
Marshall Lumbsden and we'll see that in the April issue !
Mike C.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
>Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: inspection
>
>
>Gardiner congratulations to you. There was no doubt that it would PASS.
>Guys I have been to his hangar and drooled on NX840LM. Nice Corvair
>install too. It has a very nice cable operated trim tab.
>
>--------
>Jerry Dotson
>59 Daniel Johnson Rd
>Baker, FL 32531
>
>Started building NX510JD July, 2009
>Ribs and tailfeathers done
>using Lycoming O-235
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts |
I have had a problem with walking into my trailing edge and lower
aileron horns in the hangar. When I was visiting my EAA flight advisor,
I asked him why he kept the tailwheel of his Pietenpol on a stand so
that the airplane was in flight attitude. He replied that it was so he
could walk under the wing without bumping into it. I'm only 5'8", but
with the tail elevated I don't walk into it anymore..
Right now I'm using one of the lumber/roller/stands that I used with the
table saw when I was back in the beginning stages. It really makes the
hangar more friendly and roomier.
Ben
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Subject: | Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts |
I have had a problem with walking into my trailing edge and lower
aileron horns in the hangar. When I was visiting my EAA flight advisor,
I asked him why he kept the tailwheel of his Pietenpol on a stand so
that the airplane was in flight attitude. He replied that it was so he
could walk under the wing without bumping into it. I'm only 5'8", but
with the tail elevated I don't walk into it anymore..
Right now I'm using one of the lumber/roller/stands that I used with the
table saw when I was back in the beginning stages. It really makes the
hangar more friendly and roomier.
Ben
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Subject: | formation flying |
For the very best in low 'n' slow formation flying,
I still think "The Red Sparrows" take the prize:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lXqMmevog
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | looks great Ben ! |
Thank you for the photo-- nice work !!!
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Jimmy Franklin Jet Waco UPF-7 , off topic |
Kyle does a solo act in the Waco Mystery ship and a comedy act in a cub. He and
his wife Amanda(Younkin) do the Pirated Skies wing walking act also. There is
another Jet Waco in the works, but no finish date as of yet.
There are some pretty cool videos at their website.
www.franklinairshow.com
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Subject: | Re: formation flying |
Oscar, a large formation of Piets over Oshkosh would totally block the sky from
all the military aircraft and RV's and they would have to give credit to the
Piets to get their airspace back. I think it would be revenge for last years 80th
anniversary non show EAA had promised. Besides on TV they are always showing
that prescription drug that will keep your pipes from leaking so you can do
things that take longer than a 3 sec RV pass over the field.
Cheers,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Feb 12, 2010, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jim wrote-
>Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon
>that the RV's will be running for cover.
Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV
formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship
formation flight that they made in Georgia), but
with Piets.
Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them
hand-propped and warmed up, then another two
minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and
in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen
minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm...
90 minutes and by now some of them are running
low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are
getting cold from being in the air so long.
Formation starts to come together, it's been
an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older
pilots are feeling the need to lighten our
bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now,
the others starting to come together, but now
a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve.
After two plus hours in the air, even the best
of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and
backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing
and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due
to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody
is very interested in completing the formation
flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down
some insecticide on a field, not drone through
the air over and over.
Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet
and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding
right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern
altitude and get back in formation.
And in all that time the airplanes have only
completed four circuits of the field since Piets
fly so slow. Wives and families have started to
leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter
left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has
gotten bored and gone home ;o)
Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights
to the RV guys!!!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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