---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/12/10: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:11 AM - Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! (Tim White) 2. 04:01 AM - Re: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 04:09 AM - Not 3 in 1 day; WAS: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! (Jeff Boatright) 4. 05:42 AM - Thanks all! congrats BEN!! (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 06:24 AM - Good job, Ben (Tim Willis) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: Thanks all! congrats BEN!! (Ben Charvet) 7. 07:04 AM - inspection (airlion) 8. 07:05 AM - Re: Thanks all! congrats BEN!! (Pieti Lowell) 9. 07:12 AM - Re: inspection (Jack Phillips) 10. 07:13 AM - Re: inspection (Gary Boothe) 11. 07:16 AM - Re: inspection (Pieti Lowell) 12. 07:24 AM - Re: inspection (Jeff Boatright) 13. 07:41 AM - Re: inspection (Skip Gadd) 14. 08:13 AM - Low Flying Airplane Parts (Gary Boothe) 15. 08:31 AM - formation flying (Oscar Zuniga) 16. 08:42 AM - Re: inspection (Dan Yocum) 17. 08:42 AM - Re: formation flying (airlion) 18. 08:49 AM - Re: formation flying (Steve Ruse) 19. 08:52 AM - Re: formation flying (Gary Boothe) 20. 08:52 AM - Re: inspection (airlion) 21. 08:52 AM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Richard Schreiber) 22. 08:57 AM - Re: formation flying (Jeff Boatright) 23. 09:13 AM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Thomas Bernie) 24. 09:43 AM - Re: formation flying (Mike) 25. 10:12 AM - Re: formation flying (Tim Willis) 26. 10:35 AM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (David Paule) 27. 10:44 AM - Re: formation flying (Dan Yocum) 28. 11:00 AM - Re: formation flying (Gary Boothe) 29. 11:06 AM - Reminder to update paper pilot certificates (chase143(at)aol.com) 30. 11:25 AM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 31. 11:31 AM - Re: formation flying (airlion) 32. 11:46 AM - Re: inspection (Jerry Dotson) 33. 12:01 PM - photos from Gardiner and Air & Space update (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 34. 12:26 PM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Ben Charvet) 35. 12:52 PM - Re: Low Flying Airplane Parts (Ben Charvet) 36. 01:49 PM - formation flying (Oscar Zuniga) 37. 02:33 PM - looks great Ben ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 38. 06:13 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin Jet Waco UPF-7 , off topic (Larry Vetter) 39. 08:40 PM - Re: formation flying (Jim) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:46 AM PST US From: "Tim White" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! Ben, Congratulations! When you're allowed to leave the area, fly up and see me at Woods and Lakes. I just got my airworthiness certificate for my Rans S-6S two weeks ago. Another guy here at the airpark is flying off the 40 hours since I don't have a taildragger rating. I thought I could take lessons while flying off the 40 hours, but not so. Still working on my Pietenpol in Ohio. Be Careful, Tim White ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Charvet To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so getting it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word for it that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems anywhere. Now if the winds will calm down and the rain will stay away I can work on my flying proficiency to get ready for the next big milestone! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! From: helspersew@aol.com CONGRATULATIONS BEN, WELL DONE!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Charvet Sent: Thu, Feb 11, 2010 5:22 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. The entire process only took a little over 2 hours, and I also got the repairman certificate at the same time. It was down to 44 degrees here, so getting it started took a few minutes. The FAA inspector took my word for it that the oil temp gauge works. He didn't find any problems anywhere. Now if the wind s will calm down and the rain will stay away I can work on my flying profi ciency to get ready for the next big milestone! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Hoping to fly the 25 hrs off before Sun-n-Fun ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:51 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Not 3 in 1 day; WAS: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! Guys, Sorry, that was some email weirdness in the reply. Ben is the one who got his airworthiness cert, I was just congratulating him. Somehow I messed up the reply text. Our Piet has had it's cert since '76. Jeff > >Congrats to you also, Jeff. 2 in one day thats quite an >accomplishment. How about posting a pic for us. >Dick N. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:05 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX866BC Just passed inspection too! > >> >>Congratulations! >> >>I also got my airworthiness certificate this morning. ...and I also >>got the repairman certificate at the same time. >>-- >>--- >> >>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. >>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology >>Emory University School of Medicine >>Editor-in-Chief >>Molecular Vision >> >> > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:48 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks all! congrats BEN!! Thank you everybody for the congrats, and especially for the help and encouragement through the years. CONGRATULATIONS BEN!! What a funny coincidence, two in one day. Dan, he did not ask me to start it. I had called him up before hand after someone mentioned it was a possibility. He said "I figure if it won't start, you won't fly very far". Super nice guy and a great experience, the guy actually had the mindset of a... public servant. He was very helpful and informative and gave me lots of "inside tips" about various things. Gave me a huge test area, 75 mile radius. Lowell suggested I ask for a 100yd wide strip up to Brodhead as it would probably be about the same square mileage! She's in my studio so we've got to take the wings off and get her to the strip, reassemble and start her up. Been awefully cold here for too much ground running but I will be completely ready for the first decent days so we can get all the bugs worked out and then, Mr. Lowell Frank will be coming down to do the honors as he's probably got more Piet time than anyone alive, THANKS LOWELL!! FYI, the inspector said you CAN take passengers up during the test phase IF they are "needed for the testing". So, for example, rather than a sandbag (a guy got killed recently when his sandbag shifted and blocked the controls) you can take someone up for a gross weight test. Or if you need someone to watch for traffic while you monitor gauges, he said that is okay. He said, just be sure you inform them they are participating in a test flight and be sure you LOG it prior to the flight and give the reason they are there. Someone asked how long... I've purchased this project from Bill Marshall who started it in 1991. He worked on it part of the year (did winters in FL) until around 2000 when he got sick. I bought it from him right before he died in 2002 and have been working on it since then. Had to tear down my engine once and built three sets of wheels and a second gas tank so I took a few steps backward, but finally made it... almost. Like everyone says, the trick is to just keep it moving forward, and a really good tip is to "try to touch it every day" even if you just spend five minutes painting a part or sanding some edges or even sweeping the shop/hangar. Try to look at it as a bunch of little projects, like "this week I'm going to build a bunch of controls" and approach it like an individual project. Building this plane was really just a LOT of little building projects which in the end go together to create something completely worth it. CHUG, CHUG, CHUG, and one day, you look at your "to do"list and it's all crossed off. Thanks again. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:43 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good job, Ben Congratulations. Have you posted a pic? If so, I missed it-- sorry. do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:59 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks all! congrats BEN!! On 2/12/2010 8:44 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > CHUG, CHUG, CHUG, and one day, you look at your "to do"list and it's all > crossed off. > > And what a great feeling that is.. I had a very similar experience with my FAA inspector. He did tell me in advance that he would want to see the engine run. When I checked the oil before startup it was about the consistency of honey. I was fortunate enough to have a workshop in my back yard, so I could work on it a little nearly every day. I found that if I was away from it for a week, I would spend quite a bit of time remembering where I left off. This Pietenpol experience has been quite a journey. While putting together an album of construction photos for the inspection it became apparent how much life happens over 5 years. There were pictures of dogs and relatives that are no longer with me, and pictures of grand-children at different ages. As Mike Cuy mentioned on a post yesterday, the journey is far from over (I hope), and one day soon those grand-children will be passengers. Who knows, they could end up inheriting the thing. This list has been fantastic, as was meeting so many of you at Brodhead 2008. I've talked my wife into going to Brodhead with me this year. Won't be bringing the Piet, but at least by then we should have some in-flight videos Ben Charvet Mims, Fl NX866BC Airworthy, Insured, ready to go ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:41 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks all! congrats BEN!! From: "Pieti Lowell" Ben: Congrats to you for your diligent work, and you might ask your Wife if she doesn't mind me helping her into the front seat of my OLD Piet I will give her a ride at Brodhead year 2010. Pieti Lowell PS In spite of my old Piet and body I still get a kick flying with a passenger just to see them smile, some times I get a peck on the cheek. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286123#286123 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:21 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: inspection Way to go, Gardiner! I knew you had to be getting close. Will you have it at Sun 'n' Fun? If so, we should have a pretty good gathering of Pietenpols there. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:33 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: inspection Gardiner, That's great news! What does 'passing the first go around' mean? Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: inspection From: "Pieti Lowell" And a good CONGRATS to you Gardiner. Wear more warm cloths, get up there, short hops help the winter blues. I have been up 3 times since the 31St January and nothing above 20 degrees F. I guess when one gets into the 80,s there isn't any feelings anywhere. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286132#286132 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:49 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inspection Gardiner, A cover for the front pit, for me, is the difference between flying in winter and not! It makes a big differenc. Jeff > >Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed >the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold >here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you >know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner >Mason ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:07 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: inspection Ben, Douwe, and Gardiner, Wow!!! Three new official Pietenpols, I'll bet there will be more work on Piet projects this week than any week in history. Way to go guys. Skip > > Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:03 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts Definitely Piet related: Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while working on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little, and bled a little, I couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have done something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room, as usual?) No doubt, some wise-aker will say, "That wouldn't have happened if you were working on the ribs, as you should be." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:09 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Jim wrote- >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >that the RV's will be running for cover. Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets. Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up, then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... 90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long. Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone through the air over and over. Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation. And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o) Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:11 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inspection Jeez, a person can't keep up, can they... It's a good thing I'm not raising a glass to every accomplishment you guys make - I'd be under the table, by now. Congrats, Gardiner! On 02/12/2010 09:02 AM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and passed the first go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold here in the sunny south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. I will have to put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:51 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: formation flying great article Oscar. Gardiner. --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > From: Oscar Zuniga > Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying > To: "Pietenpol List" > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:30 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: Oscar Zuniga > > > Jim wrote- > > >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon > >that the RV's will be running for cover. > > Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV > formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship > formation flight that they made in Georgia), but > with Piets. > > Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them > hand-propped and warmed up, then another two > minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and > in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen > minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... > 90 minutes and by now some of them are running > low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are > getting cold from being in the air so long. > > Formation starts to come together, it's been > an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older > pilots are feeling the need to lighten our > bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, > the others starting to come together, but now > a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. > > After two plus hours in the air, even the best > of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and > backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing > and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due > to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody > is very interested in completing the formation > flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down > some insecticide on a field, not drone through > the air over and over. > > Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet > and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding > right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern > altitude and get back in formation. > > And in all that time the airplanes have only > completed four circuits of the field since Piets > fly so slow. Wives and families have started to > leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter > left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has > gotten bored and gone home ;o) > > Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights > to the RV guys!!! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:47 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Good one Oscar...people are looking at me wondering why I'm laughing. You should turn that into an official Pietenpol formation flight instruction manual. Steve Ruse Norman, OK Quoting Oscar Zuniga : > > > Jim wrote- > >> Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >> that the RV's will be running for cover. > > Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV > formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship > formation flight that they made in Georgia), but > with Piets. > > Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them > hand-propped and warmed up, then another two > minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and > in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen > minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... > 90 minutes and by now some of them are running > low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are > getting cold from being in the air so long. > > Formation starts to come together, it's been > an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older > pilots are feeling the need to lighten our > bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, > the others starting to come together, but now > a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. > > After two plus hours in the air, even the best > of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and > backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing > and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due > to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody > is very interested in completing the formation > flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down > some insecticide on a field, not drone through > the air over and over. > > Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet > and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding > right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern > altitude and get back in formation. > > And in all that time the airplanes have only > completed four circuits of the field since Piets > fly so slow. Wives and families have started to > leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter > left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has > gotten bored and gone home ;o) > > Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights > to the RV guys!!! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:22 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Oscar, As usual, your Battle Contingency Plan is spot on. Maybe that's why WWI flights started out with everyone taking off at the same time from a big field! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Jim wrote- >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >that the RV's will be running for cover. Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets. Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up, then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... 90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long. Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone through the air over and over. Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation. And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o) Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:24 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: inspection Jack, I won't have it at Sun N Fun I have not flown the hours off, and I will be working in the woodshop carving a spare prop with PF Beck. I hope to fly it to Brodhead though. Cheers, Gariner --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Jack Phillips wrote: > From: Jack Phillips > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: inspection > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 10:10 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Jack Phillips" > > Way to go, Gardiner! I knew you had to be getting > close. Will you have it > at Sun 'n' Fun? If so, we should have a pretty good > gathering of Pietenpols > there. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of airlion > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:02 AM > To: pietenpol > Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection > > > Hey listers, NX840LM got it's inspection two weeks ago and > passed the first > go around. I have not flown it as it is just too damn cold > here in the sunny > south.. Even taxiiing around just freezes my you know what. > I will have to > put a cover over the front pit. Gardiner Mason > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:46 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts Gary: I had so many cuts, scrapes and bruises when I was working on my straight axle gear, I felt like wearing a helmet. do not archive Rick Schreiber > [Original Message] > From: Gary Boothe > To: > Date: 2/12/2010 10:24:00 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts > > Definitely Piet related: > > Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while working > on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little, and bled a little, I > couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have done > something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room, as usual?) > > No doubt, some wise-aker will say, "That wouldn't have happened if you were > working on the ribs, as you should be." > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 16 ribs done > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:15 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: formation flying "Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation." I fell out trying to go slow enough to let Larry keep up! >:-} -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:12 AM PST US From: Thomas Bernie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts I have felt your pain. On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Definitely Piet related: > > Last night I ran afoul of the aft portion of my center section while working > on shoulder harnesses. Although it hurt a little, and bled a little, I > couldn't help but smile and wonder how many of my fellow builders have done > something similar? (or am I the only idiot in the room, as usual?) > > No doubt, some wise-aker will say, "That wouldn't have happened if you were > working on the ribs, as you should be." > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 16 ribs done > > > <000_1663.jpg> ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:53 AM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Oscar, Some of us aging aviators have resigned ourselves to wearing catheters (external!!). I can carry a full thermos of coffee and not have to stop. I can out fly the fuel tank! (I guess you won't be flying under me, now, will you?) Mike PS Get a free sample here: http://www.southwestmedical.com/category/Mentor-External-Catheters/595 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying --> Jim wrote- >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon that the RV's will be >running for cover. Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets. Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up, then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... 90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long. Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone through the air over and over. Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation. And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o) Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:09 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Oscar, Stu XXXXXX, of formation flying fame, is a member of my (Austin) EAA chapter. I will show this to him, if you don't mind. (He has a good sense of humor despite his senseless addiction to flying in formation, perhaps left over from being a USAF bird colonel.) The pix I've seen of his formations looked like all RVs. Herding Piets would be like herding cats-- take Stu to a whole new level. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga >Sent: Feb 12, 2010 11:30 AM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying > > > >Jim wrote- > >>Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >>that the RV's will be running for cover. > >Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV >formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship >formation flight that they made in Georgia), but >with Piets. > >Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them >hand-propped and warmed up, then another two >minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and >in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen >minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... >90 minutes and by now some of them are running >low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are >getting cold from being in the air so long. > >Formation starts to come together, it's been >an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older >pilots are feeling the need to lighten our >bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, >the others starting to come together, but now >a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. > >After two plus hours in the air, even the best >of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and >backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing >and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due >to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody >is very interested in completing the formation >flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down >some insecticide on a field, not drone through >the air over and over. > >Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet >and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding >right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern >altitude and get back in formation. > >And in all that time the airplanes have only >completed four circuits of the field since Piets >fly so slow. Wives and families have started to >leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter >left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has >gotten bored and gone home ;o) > >Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights >to the RV guys!!! > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:36 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts I'll bet that you could find some Cessna control surface corrugated aluminum to cover the part with. Then instead of a slice you'll get Cessna Diamonds. Not sure whether that would be an improvement, though. David Paule ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:59 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: formation flying What a Pietenpol formation might look like: http://www.uhgpga.org/Portals/0/T%20pics/Valle-worlds-2009-gaggle.jpg OK, definitely not, but still a cool picture... do not archive On 02/12/2010 10:30 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga > > > Jim wrote- > >> Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >> that the RV's will be running for cover. > > Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV > formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship > formation flight that they made in Georgia), but > with Piets. > > Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them > hand-propped and warmed up, then another two > minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and > in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen > minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... > 90 minutes and by now some of them are running > low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are > getting cold from being in the air so long. > > Formation starts to come together, it's been > an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older > pilots are feeling the need to lighten our > bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, > the others starting to come together, but now > a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. > > After two plus hours in the air, even the best > of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and > backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing > and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due > to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody > is very interested in completing the formation > flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down > some insecticide on a field, not drone through > the air over and over. > > Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet > and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding > right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern > altitude and get back in formation. > > And in all that time the airplanes have only > completed four circuits of the field since Piets > fly so slow. Wives and families have started to > leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter > left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has > gotten bored and gone home ;o) > > Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights > to the RV guys!!! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:31 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formation flying AKA...Human Element Range Extenders... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 16 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:43 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Oscar, Some of us aging aviators have resigned ourselves to wearing catheters (external!!). I can carry a full thermos of coffee and not have to stop. I can out fly the fuel tank! (I guess you won't be flying under me, now, will you?) Mike PS Get a free sample here: http://www.southwestmedical.com/category/Mentor-External-Catheters/595 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying --> Jim wrote- >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon that the RV's will be >running for cover. Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets. Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up, then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... 90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long. Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone through the air over and over. Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation. And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o) Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Reminder to update paper pilot certificates From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Slightly off topic, but don't forget: Paper Pilot Certificates expire 31 March, 2010: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/ Steve Owings, MD -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286177#286177 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:55 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts Ouch. Always good to have band aids in the work shop Gary. Tweezers too for those wood and metal slivers. I used an old Craftsman hand me down table saw to make thousands of cuts during my project (many of them mistakes !) and purchased a $100 Freud blade that cut like butter. I always used push sticks in both hands but once I got a little careless and a piece of poplar about 3/4"x 2" shot back at me faster than I could blink and left an orange-sized purple bump on my belly. Had a guy at OSH walk into my right aileron horn while he was watching the air show. The airframe shook hard and this guy fell to his knees with blood pouring down his face. Not pretty. If you don't get glue in your hair or some minor injury now and then you're probably not working much on your project. Good to hear you're workin' it Gary. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:38 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formation flying My first solo as a navcad in pensacola was at an outlying grass field with 6 other SNJ's. We all took off at once and you can imagine what that take-off run looked like. We could do that too in our Piets. Gardiner --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Gary Boothe wrote: > From: Gary Boothe > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formation flying > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 11:51 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Gary Boothe" > > Oscar, > > As usual, your Battle Contingency Plan is spot on. Maybe > that's why WWI > flights started out with everyone taking off at the same > time from a big > field! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 16 ribs done > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:31 AM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying > > > > > Jim wrote- > > >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon > >that the RV's will be running for cover. > > Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV > formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship > formation flight that they made in Georgia), but > with Piets. > > Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them > hand-propped and warmed up, then another two > minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and > in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen > minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... > 90 minutes and by now some of them are running > low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are > getting cold from being in the air so long. > > Formation starts to come together, it's been > an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older > pilots are feeling the need to lighten our > bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, > the others starting to come together, but now > a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. > > After two plus hours in the air, even the best > of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and > backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing > and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due > to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody > is very interested in completing the formation > flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down > some insecticide on a field, not drone through > the air over and over. > > Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet > and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding > right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern > altitude and get back in formation. > > And in all that time the airplanes have only > completed four circuits of the field since Piets > fly so slow. Wives and families have started to > leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter > left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has > gotten bored and gone home ;o) > > Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights > to the RV guys!!! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: inspection From: "Jerry Dotson" Gardiner congratulations to you. There was no doubt that it would PASS. Guys I have been to his hangar and drooled on NX840LM. Nice Corvair install too. It has a very nice cable operated trim tab. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286184#286184 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:28 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: photos from Gardiner and Air & Space update Gardiner-- any chance you could post some photos of your completed airplane for us to enjoy ? Very exciting news from all of you three, Douwe, Ben, and yourself. I'd love to see as many photos as any of you wish to post. Also it was really nice of Barry Davis to post those photos of some of the Big Piets in flight and on the ground. I have a feeling that EAA and Mary Jones will give you guys more press when you surface at SNF again in Sport Aviation which will be great to see. Along those lines, I spoke with the photo and art editor of our upcoming Smithsonian Air & Space Pietenpol Air Camper article by former WWII AAF pilot veteran/ turned author Marshall Lumbsden and we'll see that in the April issue ! Mike C. >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- >list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson >Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:45 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: inspection > > >Gardiner congratulations to you. There was no doubt that it would PASS. >Guys I have been to his hangar and drooled on NX840LM. Nice Corvair >install too. It has a very nice cable operated trim tab. > >-------- >Jerry Dotson >59 Daniel Johnson Rd >Baker, FL 32531 > >Started building NX510JD July, 2009 >Ribs and tailfeathers done >using Lycoming O-235 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286184#286184 > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:03 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts I have had a problem with walking into my trailing edge and lower aileron horns in the hangar. When I was visiting my EAA flight advisor, I asked him why he kept the tailwheel of his Pietenpol on a stand so that the airplane was in flight attitude. He replied that it was so he could walk under the wing without bumping into it. I'm only 5'8", but with the tail elevated I don't walk into it anymore.. Right now I'm using one of the lumber/roller/stands that I used with the table saw when I was back in the beginning stages. It really makes the hangar more friendly and roomier. Ben ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:14 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low Flying Airplane Parts I have had a problem with walking into my trailing edge and lower aileron horns in the hangar. When I was visiting my EAA flight advisor, I asked him why he kept the tailwheel of his Pietenpol on a stand so that the airplane was in flight attitude. He replied that it was so he could walk under the wing without bumping into it. I'm only 5'8", but with the tail elevated I don't walk into it anymore.. Right now I'm using one of the lumber/roller/stands that I used with the table saw when I was back in the beginning stages. It really makes the hangar more friendly and roomier. Ben ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:38 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: formation flying For the very best in low 'n' slow formation flying, I still think "The Red Sparrows" take the prize: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lXqMmevog Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:23 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: looks great Ben ! Thank you for the photo-- nice work !!! do not archive ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jimmy Franklin Jet Waco UPF-7 , off topic From: "Larry Vetter" Kyle does a solo act in the Waco Mystery ship and a comedy act in a cub. He and his wife Amanda(Younkin) do the Pirated Skies wing walking act also. There is another Jet Waco in the works, but no finish date as of yet. There are some pretty cool videos at their website. www.franklinairshow.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286220#286220 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:02 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: formation flying Oscar, a large formation of Piets over Oshkosh would totally block the sky from all the military aircraft and RV's and they would have to give credit to the Piets to get their airspace back. I think it would be revenge for last years 80th anniversary non show EAA had promised. Besides on TV they are always showing that prescription drug that will keep your pipes from leaking so you can do things that take longer than a 3 sec RV pass over the field. Cheers, Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 12, 2010, Oscar Zuniga wrote: Jim wrote- >Piets are going to be so thick in the air soon >that the RV's will be running for cover. Yeah... imagine replicating the historic 35-RV formation flight (or the more recent 37-ship formation flight that they made in Georgia), but with Piets. Let's see: five minutes per Piet to get them hand-propped and warmed up, then another two minutes per Piet to get them off the ground and in a holding pattern. Another ten or fifteen minutes to marshal them into formation. Hmmm... 90 minutes and by now some of them are running low on fuel and a few others have pilots who are getting cold from being in the air so long. Formation starts to come together, it's been an hour and a half, and a dozen of us older pilots are feeling the need to lighten our bladders. Twenty planes in the formation now, the others starting to come together, but now a few planes are landing to refuel or relieve. After two plus hours in the air, even the best of 'em starts to run low on fuel, seats and backs are starting to ache, legs are crossing and uncrossing, one or two planes drop out due to snapped cranks (the Corvairs), and nobody is very interested in completing the formation flight. We want to go strafe trains or lay down some insecticide on a field, not drone through the air over and over. Somewhere in the formation Jeff stalls his Piet and drops off on a wing since he wasn't holding right rudder, so he has to climb back to pattern altitude and get back in formation. And in all that time the airplanes have only completed four circuits of the field since Piets fly so slow. Wives and families have started to leave the airport, the local newspaper reporter left to get lunch hours ago, and even Markle has gotten bored and gone home ;o) Nah... let's leave the huge formation flights to the RV guys!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.