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1. 05:43 AM - Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note (K5YAC)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note (K5YAC)
3. 07:51 AM - Re: Time to get out of the closet (greg menoche)
4. 10:08 AM - Re: Time to get out of the closet (shad bell)
5. 10:09 AM - how did you fall in love Jack ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
6. 10:54 AM - Re: Time to get out of the closet (TOM STINEMETZE)
7. 01:02 PM - welcom Rodrigo! (Douwe Blumberg)
8. 01:02 PM - Falling in love (helspersew@aol.com)
9. 01:03 PM - Re: Time to get out of the closet (helspersew@aol.com)
10. 01:04 PM - Ben Charvet's upcoming first flight and photo (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
11. 01:04 PM - Re: Time to get out of the closet (Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira)
12. 01:04 PM - Re: how did you fall in love Jack ? (Jack)
13. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note (David Paule)
14. 06:00 PM - Re: how did you fall in love Jack ? (K5YAC)
15. 07:34 PM - Re: Falling in love (Gary Boothe)
16. 07:35 PM - Re: Time to get out of the closet (H RULE)
17. 07:36 PM - Re: Time to get out of the closet (Jack Phillips)
18. 07:38 PM - Re: Time to get out of the closet (ALAN LYSCARS)
19. 07:40 PM - Re: how did you fall in love Jack ? (Jack Phillips)
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| Subject: | Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note |
I think I caused more confusion than necessary with my "why use them at all" comment.
I was being a little sarcastic.
I understand the purpose and the need for the cables. I'm not really too hung
up on the whole thing, I just haven't been able to find any definite answer on
how tight these things should be. Yes, I have read all the replies here, and
I do appreciate all the input. I've also read several other threads that have
basically ended in the same conclusion, which is... there are several different
techniques and a wide range of tensions that will obviously work. I also
spoke to several experienced builders/technical advisors last night at our EAA
meeting. None of them seemed to think that what I had done was necessarily wrong,
or dangerous. The consensus was that I should have all the cables taut
while maintaining the squareness of the wing. How taut? Again, that was up for
debate... no one knew for sure.
Given all of the input here, and from my discussions last night, I think I'll back
my turnbuckles off a bit. I agree that there is no reason to apply excessive
tension on the cables, this is just where I ended up using the "twang" method.
I fully agree that some amount of tension (it will be my secret) is adequate
for these cables to do their job and keep "drag" and "anit-drag" from distorting
my airfoil. Agreed?
Thanks again for all the input. On to the next piece of the puzzle. :)
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Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286637#286637
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| Subject: | Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note |
I think I caused more confusion than necessary with my "why use them at all" comment.
I was being a little sarcastic.
I understand the purpose and the need for the cables. I'm not really too hung
up on the whole thing, I just haven't been able to find any definite answer on
how tight these things should be. Yes, I have read all the replies here, and
I do appreciate all the input. I've also read several other threads that have
basically ended in the same conclusion, which is... there are several different
techniques and a wide range of tensions that will obviously work. I also
spoke to several experienced builders/technical advisors last night at our EAA
meeting. None of them seemed to think that what I had done was necessarily wrong,
or dangerous. The consensus was that I should have all the cables taut
while maintaining the squareness of the wing. How taut? Again, that was up for
debate... no one knew for sure.
Given all of the input here, and from my discussions last night, I think I'll back
my turnbuckles off a bit. I agree that there is no reason to apply excessive
tension on the cables, this is just where I ended up using the "twang" method.
I fully agree that some amount of tension (it will be my secret) is adequate
for these cables to do their job and keep "drag" and "anit-drag" from distorting
my airfoil. Agreed?
Thanks again for all the input. On to the next piece of the puzzle. :)
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286636#286636
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| Subject: | Re: Time to get out of the closet |
Welcome, Rodrigo, Greg Menoche
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira <ditoliberato@terra.com.br>
>Sent: Feb 15, 2010 9:20 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and
>I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm
>about to start a Piet project. Plans already here.
>I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an
>opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills
>available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't
>started yet.
>But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping ,
>and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year.
>The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and
>my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet
>some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is
>coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be
>welcome :)
>Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows.
>
>Cheers from the south,
>
>Rodrigo
>
>Piet plans purchased
>Sun N Fun, almost there!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Time to get out of the closet |
Rodrego, While you are Getting ready to build an American designed aircraft, I
work on Brazilian Built aircraft. I work on Embraer 135, 140, 145 Jets. I have
always wanted to go down to Brazil and check out the factory. Welcome to the
club, enjoy your time at sun'n'fun and you will have a Blast both building,
and flying the Pietenpol.
Safe Journies,
Shad
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| Subject: | how did you fall in love Jack ? |
Congratulations on your Sportsman Pilot article Jack. Hoping my issue i
s waiting for me at home
tonight.
Funny how I've been friends with Jack for quite a while now thru the Pieten
pol movement but
only after visiting with him recently did it ever occur to me to actually a
sk him what ever got him
to building a Piet ?
So Jack unless that question is answered in Jack Cox's article on you, coul
d you tell us all how you
first fell in love with the Pietenpol ?
My story was pretty simple. Frank Pavliga gave me a ride in his Pietenpol
and the view, the sensations,
the whole experience made me sell my Champ so I'd have funds to start build
ing a Pietenpol.
So I gave up an enclosed cabin, 17 mph in cruise speed, cabin heat, and sex
y wheel pants for a Pietenpol !
(well worth it)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Time to get out of the closet |
Rodrigo:
Welcome to the list!
(Though I expect you will find this group to be a pretty boring bunch -
always talking about what glass cockpit to put in or how to get more
output from their two-stage supercharger. You know - stuff like that.)
Tom S.
N328X (someday)
>>> Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira <ditoliberato@terra.com.br> 2/15/2010
8:20 PM >>>
<ditoliberato@terra.com.br>
Hi everyone,
first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and
I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm
about to start a Piet project. Plans already here.
I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an
opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills
available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't
started yet.
But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping ,
and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year.
The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and
my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet
some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is
coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be
welcome :)
Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows.
Cheers from the south,
Rodrigo
Piet plans purchased
Sun N Fun, almost there!
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Bienvenidos Rodrigo!
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Hi all you "good" people,
Back in 1971, when I was driving away from the FBO at DPA, where I was tak
ing my flying lessons, I saw out of the corner of my eye a beautiful sight
. Slammed on the brakes and walked over to a Pietenpol that was tied down
there. Couldn't believe how gorgeous this airplane was. Looked at the dat
a plate to see what it was. That was it!! The desire to build one of those
never left, and I finally realized my dream of starting to build in July
of 2000. God willing, after 10 long years, I will fly this bird this year
.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Time to get out of the closet |
Rodrigo,
Welcome to the list. If you speak Spanish, maybe a good resource closer to
home would be to contact Santiago Morete of Santa Rosa, Argentina moretes
antiago@yahoo.com.ar
He and his brother are building a Piet and they currently have it assemble
d waiting for the engine. Good luck to you and your Dad.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Ben Charvet's upcoming first flight and photo |
Good report and photo Ben. Thank you. Good to hear you've gotten in a bunch
of
landings in the Baby Ace in preparation for your 1st Pietenpol flight.
What part of the country are you in ? You photo shows no snow on the ground.
Hope the weather cooperates for you and your contingent of well-wishers.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Time to get out of the closet |
Shad and everyone,
thank you very much for the welcome.
I'm probably like all of you guys here on the list. Everything about
planes interests me, EVERYTHING :)
This visit to Lakeland will be a good opportunity to shorten the
distance. I hope that at least some of the guys can come down here
someday, and I'll be happy to show you our aviation, history and planes.
Feels really nice to be brothers....american design, brazilian planes,
worldwide friends.
best regards,
Rodrigo
Em 16/02/2010, s 14:23, shad bell escreveu:
> <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
>
> Rodrego, While you are Getting ready to build an American designed
> aircraft, I work on Brazilian Built aircraft. I work on Embraer
> 135, 140, 145 Jets. I have always wanted to go down to Brazil and
> check out the factory. Welcome to the club, enjoy your time at
> sun'n'fun and you will have a Blast both building, and flying the
> Pietenpol.
>
> Safe Journies,
> Shad
>
>
> Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra.
> Atualizado em 16/02/2010
>
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| Subject: | Re: how did you fall in love Jack ? |
I subscribed today
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 16, 2010, at 11:45 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Congratulations on your Sportsman Pilot article Jack. Hoping my
> issue is waiting for me at home
> tonight.
>
>
> Funny how I=99ve been friends with Jack for quite a while now
thru the
> Pietenpol movement but
> only after visiting with him recently did it ever occur to me to
> actually ask him what ever got him
> to building a Piet ?
>
> So Jack unless that question is answered in Jack Cox=99s article
on yo
> u, could you tell us all how you
> first fell in love with the Pietenpol ?
>
>
> My story was pretty simple. Frank Pavliga gave me a ride in his
> Pietenpol and the view, the sensations,
> the whole experience made me sell my Champ so I=99d have funds
to star
> t building a Pietenpol.
>
> So I gave up an enclosed cabin, 17 mph in cruise speed, cabin heat,
> and sexy wheel pants for a Pietenpol !
> (well worth it)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cable Tensiometer and G Note |
A long time ago I needed to ascertain the desired tension on something which
was directly comparable to this. Turns out that optimum is no initial
tension but zero slack, too. Some tension is better than some slack, so if
you must, make the error that direction.
The main purpose for initial tension is to overcome the effects of expansion
or contraction. With metal airplanes that's usually due to temperature. With
wood airplanes it might be a combination of temperature and humidity. I have
no guidance for that, sorry.
If it were my plane, I'd follow those rules of thumb that hurt - uh, that
provide a moderate amount of initial tension, certainly not much. I have
seen an old wood and wire fuselage that has damage due to excessive initial
tension. Two main bulkheads have buckled.
David Paule
>
> I think I caused more confusion than necessary with my "why use them at
> all" comment. I was being a little sarcastic.
>
> I understand the purpose and the need for the cables. I'm not really too
> hung up on the whole thing, I just haven't been able to find any definite
> answer on how tight these things should be. Yes, I have read all the
> replies here, and I do appreciate all the input. I've also read several
> other threads that have basically ended in the same conclusion, which
> is... there are several different techniques and a wide range of tensions
> that will obviously work. I also spoke to several experienced
> builders/technical advisors last night at our EAA meeting. None of them
> seemed to think that what I had done was necessarily wrong, or dangerous.
> The consensus was that I should have all the cables taut while maintaining
> the squareness of the wing. How taut? Again, that was up for debate...
> no one knew for sure.
>
> Given all of the input here, and from my discussions last night, I think
> I'll back my turnbuckles off a bit. I agree that there is no reason to
> apply excessive tension on the cables, this is just where I ended up using
> the "twang" method. I fully agree that some amount of tension (it will be
> my secret) is adequate for these cables to do their job and keep "drag"
> and "anit-drag" from distorting my airfoil. Agreed?
>
> Thanks again for all the input. On to the next piece of the puzzle. :)
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286636#286636
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: how did you fall in love Jack ? |
I subscribed Sunday. I called the office today to make sure my subscription would
start with the current issue... the fellow told me that 3 or 4 people subscribed
on Sunday and our first issue (the one with Jack's article) went in the
mail yesterday (Monday). I told him that I had not heard of the magazine until
it was mentioned on the Pietenpol forum... looking forward to checking it out.
--------
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Dan,
We share a similar story. The lower picture, in the attachment, was taken in
1973, when I flew my T-craft to an air show in central California. I said,
"someday.."
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Falling in love
Hi all you "good" people,
Back in 1971, when I was driving away from the FBO at DPA, where I was
taking my flying lessons, I saw out of the corner of my eye a beautiful
sight. Slammed on the brakes and walked over to a Pietenpol that was tied
down there. Couldn't believe how gorgeous this airplane was. Looked at the
data plate to see what it was. That was it!! The desire to build one of
those never left, and I finally realized my dream of starting to build in
July of 2000. God willing, after 10 long years, I will fly this bird this
year.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Time to get out of the closet |
Or how many milk bottles it will take to keep afloat for a cross ocean trip
;boring stuff like that!=0Ado not archive-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AFrom: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-
list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, February 16, 2010 9:03:48 AM=0ASubject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet=0A=0A=0ARodrigo:=0A-=0AWel
come to the list! =0A-=0A(Though I expect you will find this group to be
a pretty boring bunch - always talking about what glass cockpit to put in o
r how to get more output from their two-stage supercharger.- You know - s
tuff like that.)=0A-=0ATom S.=0AN328X (someday)=0A=0A=0A>>> Rodrigo Liber
ato de Oliveira <ditoliberato@terra.com.br> 2/15/2010 8:20 PM >>>=0A--> Pie
tenpol-List message posted by: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira <ditoliberato@t
erra.com.br>=0A=0AHi everyone,=0A=0Afirst of all, let me introduce myself.
My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and- =0AI'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Toget
her with my father, Jose, I'm- =0Aabout to start a Piet project. Plans al
ready here.=0AI've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious f
or an- =0Aopportunity- to contribute, but soon I realized that none of
my skills- =0Aavailable at the moment were of use, specially because I ha
ven't- =0Astarted yet.=0ABut than, here and there, messages mentioning Su
n n Fun are popping ,- =0Aand it got me all happy cos I'm actually making
it up there this year.- =0AThe show itself would be a dream come true al
ready, but since me and- =0Amy Dad have this project now, it's going to b
e just amazing to meet- =0Asome of you guys there, and maybe see a real P
iet "live". Dad is- =0Acoming with me, but he speaks no english at all, s
o patience will be- =0Awelcome :)=0AAnyway, just wanted to say hi and com
e out of the shadows.=0A=0ACheers from the south,=0A=0ARocom/Navigator?Piet
enpol">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L-------
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| Subject: | Time to get out of the closet |
Great, Rodrigo! I'll be at Sun 'n' Fun Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and if
the weather is good enough I'll fly my Pietenpol down. The usual gathering
place for Pietenpol enthusiasts is the wood-working tent where you will meet
such folks as Dick Navratil and PF Beck. They are usually there just about
all day, every day. The rest of us come and go, but always check in a
couple of times a day with them.
Have you thought about what engine you will use on yours?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo
Liberato de Oliveira
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet
<ditoliberato@terra.com.br>
Hi everyone,
first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and
I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm
about to start a Piet project. Plans already here.
I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an
opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills
available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't
started yet.
But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping ,
and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year.
The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and
my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet
some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is
coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be
welcome :)
Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows.
Cheers from the south,
Rodrigo
Piet plans purchased
Sun N Fun, almost there!
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| Subject: | Re: Time to get out of the closet |
Welcome, Rodrigo!
I'm happy that you and your Dad have joined us. I'll be going to SNF,
also, and would love to meet you both.
Al Lyscars
Manchester, New Hampshire, USA
>>> Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira <ditoliberato@terra.com.br> 2/15/2010
8:20 PM >>>
<ditoliberato@terra.com.br>
Hi everyone,
first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and
I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm
about to start a Piet project. Plans already here.
I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an
opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills
available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't
started yet.
But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping ,
and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year.
The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and
my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet
some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is
coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be
welcome :)
Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows.
Cheers from the south,
Rocom/Navigator?Pietenpol">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L
- -Matt ========
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| Subject: | how did you fall in love Jack ? |
How did I decide to build a Pietenpol? I owned a J-3 Cub for several years,
and liked the way it flew. I bought it from my father, who wanted to sell
it because it needed recovering (this was 1976 and it still had the original
factory cotton on the fuselage, from 1946). I was living in Fort Worth,
Texas at the time and went home to Jackson, Tennessee to fly the Cub back to
Texas. While I was in Jackson, I found that my friend Mike Lucky had just
finished building an Air Camper. He was trying to fly off the hours on it
and asked if I wanted to fly it. I did so and found it flew very much like
my Cub. Only years later did I find out that Mike's was a Grega GN-1, not a
Pietenpol, so now having flown both I can say they fly nearly identically.
Anyway, after rebuilding the Cub I got married to my first practice wife (I
took her flying in it on our first date) and all was bliss until one day
when she saw the bill for hangar rent and gave the ultimatum "Either the
airplane goes, or I go". I made a mistake and sold the airplane. I should
have just divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery. We
split up in November of 1995 and in December of that year I ordered my plans
from Don Pietenpol, with construction starting in January of 1996.
I met and married practice wife # 2 while building the Pietenpol so she
really had no cause to complain that I spent more time in the shop than in
the bedroom. She left me and ran off with a 28 year old kid. She claimed
to like flying (I owned a Cessna 140 at the time) until she got a wedding
ring on her finger and then never flew with me again. So I made absolutely
certain that Karen (my real, and final wife) not only understood my passion
for aviation but that she really liked to fly with me before I asked her to
marry me. Third time was the charm!
Ok - back to Pietenpol issues and answers!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ?
Congratulations on your Sportsman Pilot article Jack. Hoping my issue is
waiting for me at home
tonight.
Funny how I've been friends with Jack for quite a while now thru the
Pietenpol movement but
only after visiting with him recently did it ever occur to me to actually
ask him what ever got him
to building a Piet ?
So Jack unless that question is answered in Jack Cox's article on you, could
you tell us all how you
first fell in love with the Pietenpol ?
My story was pretty simple. Frank Pavliga gave me a ride in his Pietenpol
and the view, the sensations,
the whole experience made me sell my Champ so I'd have funds to start
building a Pietenpol.
So I gave up an enclosed cabin, 17 mph in cruise speed, cabin heat, and sexy
wheel pants for a Pietenpol !
(well worth it)
Mike C.
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