---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/17/10: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:43 AM - Re: It's Netflix Time!!! TGWP!!! (flea) 2. 07:44 AM - Re: how did you fall in love Jack ? (ALAN LYSCARS) 3. 07:47 AM - a story about Kenny (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 4. 08:25 AM - Re: how did you fall in love Jack ? (Jack Phillips) 5. 09:02 AM - Re: how did you fall in love Jack ? (Tim Willis) 6. 10:36 AM - Engine choice (Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira) 7. 10:43 AM - Re: Engine choice (Jack Phillips) 8. 10:53 AM - Mike Hardaway (Gary Boothe) 9. 10:58 AM - Re: Engine choice (Jeff Boatright) 10. 10:58 AM - Re: Engine choice (K5YAC) 11. 11:12 AM - Re: Engine choice (H RULE) 12. 11:26 AM - Re: Mike Hardaway (Mike) 13. 04:39 PM - Re: Engine choice (Michael Silvius) 14. 05:22 PM - Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 05:30 PM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather (Gary Boothe) 16. 05:50 PM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather (Jack Phillips) 17. 05:58 PM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather (Wayne Bressler) 18. 06:54 PM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather (Mike) 19. 07:10 PM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe (K5YAC) 20. 07:31 PM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe (taildrags) 21. 07:37 PM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe (K5YAC) 22. 07:51 PM - how did you fall in love Jack (Oscar Zuniga) 23. 08:55 PM - Re: how did you fall in love Jack (Ernie Moreno) 24. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It's Netflix Time!!! TGWP!!! From: "flea" I've never seen that movie but it has just made my favorites list. Thank you for mentioning it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286766#286766 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:22 AM PST US From: "ALAN LYSCARS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ? Jack, Having gone through, already, Practice #1, does Karen have a sister who likes Yankees??? Al Lyscars GN-1/NH ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ? How did I decide to build a Pietenpol? I owned a J-3 Cub for several years, and liked the way it flew. I bought it from my father, who wanted to sell it because it needed recovering (this was 1976 and it still had the original factory cotton on the fuselage, from 1946). I was living in Fort Worth, Texas at the time and went home to Jackson, Tennessee to fly the Cub back to Texas. While I was in Jackson, I found that my friend Mike Lucky had just finished building an Air Camper. He was trying to fly off the hours on it and asked if I wanted to fly it. I did so and found it flew very much like my Cub. Only years later did I find out that Mike's was a Grega GN-1, not a Pietenpol, so now having flown both I can say they fly nearly identically. Anyway, after rebuilding the Cub I got married to my first practice wife (I took her flying in it on our first date) and all was bliss until one day when she saw the bill for hangar rent and gave the ultimatum "Either the airplane goes, or I go". I made a mistake and sold the airplane. I should have just divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery. We split up in November of 1995 and in December of that year I ordered my plans from Don Pietenpol, with construction starting in January of 1996. I met and married practice wife # 2 while building the Pietenpol so she really had no cause to complain that I spent more time in the shop than in the bedroom. She left me and ran off with a 28 year old kid. She claimed to like flying (I owned a Cessna 140 at the time) until she got a wedding ring on her finger and then never flew with me again. So I made absolutely certain that Karen (my real, and final wife) not only understood my passion for aviation but that she really liked to fly with me before I asked her to marry me. Third time was the charm! Ok - back to Pietenpol issues and answers! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC Do Not Archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:46 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ? Congratulations on your Sportsman Pilot article Jack. Hoping my issue is waiting for me at home tonight. Funny how I've been friends with Jack for quite a while now thru the Pietenpol movement but only after visiting with him recently did it ever occur to me to actually ask him what ever got him to building a Piet ? So Jack unless that question is answered in Jack Cox's article on you, could you tell us all how you first fell in love with the Pietenpol ? My story was pretty simple. Frank Pavliga gave me a ride in his Pietenpol and the view, the sensations, the whole experience made me sell my Champ so I'd have funds to start building a Pietenpol. So I gave up an enclosed cabin, 17 mph in cruise speed, cabin heat, and sexy wheel pants for a Pietenpol ! (well worth it) Mike C. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:17 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a story about Kenny Kenny Mellert is a neat old pilot out at a local grass strip in Valley City , Ohio. Kenny knows everyone in Valley City and who's who, what's what. We affectionately call him Mr. Mayor. We think Kenny should be the mayor of Valley City. One day when Kenny was giving me advice about why I should just date and no t get married I asked him the secret of his happy marriage. He said his marriage only became happy after he fi nally gave into years and years of not flying to keep his wife happy. He said not flying didn't make her any happier so he said the heck with it and at 70 years old he found a decent 172 and pronounced one night at supper time that he was g oing to buy it and start flying. Barb told Kenny that if he bought that airplane she would divorce him. Kenny tol d her that it was nice knowing her and went out and bought the 172 and has flown it for over 12 years now. Barb never did divorce him. Kenny still says that was the only part of that airplane deal that didn't pan out for him. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:01 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ? Yes she does. But her sister's husband might object. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN LYSCARS Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ? Jack, Having gone through, already, Practice #1, does Karen have a sister who likes Yankees??? Al Lyscars GN-1/NH ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ? How did I decide to build a Pietenpol? I owned a J-3 Cub for several years, and liked the way it flew. I bought it from my father, who wanted to sell it because it needed recovering (this was 1976 and it still had the original factory cotton on the fuselage, from 1946). I was living in Fort Worth, Texas at the time and went home to Jackson, Tennessee to fly the Cub back to Texas. While I was in Jackson, I found that my friend Mike Lucky had just finished building an Air Camper. He was trying to fly off the hours on it and asked if I wanted to fly it. I did so and found it flew very much like my Cub. Only years later did I find out that Mike's was a Grega GN-1, not a Pietenpol, so now having flown both I can say they fly nearly identically. Anyway, after rebuilding the Cub I got married to my first practice wife (I took her flying in it on our first date) and all was bliss until one day when she saw the bill for hangar rent and gave the ultimatum "Either the airplane goes, or I go". I made a mistake and sold the airplane. I should have just divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery. We split up in November of 1995 and in December of that year I ordered my plans from Don Pietenpol, with construction starting in January of 1996. I met and married practice wife # 2 while building the Pietenpol so she really had no cause to complain that I spent more time in the shop than in the bedroom. She left me and ran off with a 28 year old kid. She claimed to like flying (I owned a Cessna 140 at the time) until she got a wedding ring on her finger and then never flew with me again. So I made absolutely certain that Karen (my real, and final wife) not only understood my passion for aviation but that she really liked to fly with me before I asked her to marry me. Third time was the charm! Ok - back to Pietenpol issues and answers! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ? Congratulations on your Sportsman Pilot article Jack. Hoping my issue is waiting for me at home tonight. Funny how I've been friends with Jack for quite a while now thru the Pietenpol movement but only after visiting with him recently did it ever occur to me to actually ask him what ever got him to building a Piet ? So Jack unless that question is answered in Jack Cox's article on you, could you tell us all how you first fell in love with the Pietenpol ? My story was pretty simple. Frank Pavliga gave me a ride in his Pietenpol and the view, the sensations, the whole experience made me sell my Champ so I'd have funds to start building a Pietenpol. So I gave up an enclosed cabin, 17 mph in cruise speed, cabin heat, and sexy wheel pants for a Pietenpol ! (well worth it) Mike C. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:02 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ? JAck, Mike, et al: It is the veracity of these "wife stories" that makes them funny. It is also what makes them painful. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Feb 17, 2010 10:23 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack ? Yes she does. But her sisters husband might object. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:38 AM PST US From: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine choice Hi Jack, it's good that you asked about my engine choice, cos that's a point where some input from experts is needed. In concept, I like the corvair. Inexpensive, reliable, and can become a project, just like the rest of the plane. The only and probably "ruling out" problem is: there are no corvairs in Brazil. My country has the nasty habit to tax it's citizens til we bleed, so building and maintaining based on parts brought from the US is not an option. Than there is the continental family. Until the 1960 decade, we had a local designed plane called P-56C "Paulistinha" that used the C90. Almost every flight school in the country used that plane and they were produced in a good number, so there are some good blocks around, and that was my initial option. On the modern side, I though of a rebuildable 0-200. There is a guy here who used a Rotax-912 in his piet, but, besides the price, it just doesn't sound 1930 enough for me. What do you guys say? C90 x O 200 x "are you nuts?" Rodrigo Em 17/02/2010, s 00:13, Jack Phillips escreveu: > > > > Great, Rodrigo! I'll be at Sun 'n' Fun Friday, Saturday and Sunday, > and if > the weather is good enough I'll fly my Pietenpol down. The usual > gathering > place for Pietenpol enthusiasts is the wood-working tent where you > will meet > such folks as Dick Navratil and PF Beck. They are usually there > just about > all day, every day. The rest of us come and go, but always check in a > couple of times a day with them. > > Have you thought about what engine you will use on yours? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Rodrigo > Liberato de Oliveira > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:21 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet > > > > Hi everyone, > > first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and > I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm > about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. > I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an > opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills > available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't > started yet. > But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , > and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. > The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and > my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet > some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is > coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be > welcome :) > Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. > > Cheers from the south, > > Rodrigo > > Piet plans purchased > Sun N Fun, almost there! > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Atualizado em 16/02/2010 > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:39 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine choice Frankly, I think the C90 or O-200 is an ideal choice for a Pietenpol. I have an A65 Continental on mine and there are days (particularly in the summer) when I wish I had a bit more power. One of the best options is a C90 or C85 with an O-200 crankshaft in it. Check out Harry Fenton's website - he is THE expert on small Continentals: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine choice Hi Jack, it's good that you asked about my engine choice, cos that's a point where some input from experts is needed. In concept, I like the corvair. Inexpensive, reliable, and can become a project, just like the rest of the plane. The only and probably "ruling out" problem is: there are no corvairs in Brazil. My country has the nasty habit to tax it's citizens til we bleed, so building and maintaining based on parts brought from the US is not an option. Than there is the continental family. Until the 1960 decade, we had a local designed plane called P-56C "Paulistinha" that used the C90. Almost every flight school in the country used that plane and they were produced in a good number, so there are some good blocks around, and that was my initial option. On the modern side, I though of a rebuildable 0-200. There is a guy here who used a Rotax-912 in his piet, but, besides the price, it just doesn't sound 1930 enough for me. What do you guys say? C90 x O 200 x "are you nuts?" Rodrigo Em 17/02/2010, =E0s 00:13, Jack Phillips escreveu: > > > Great, Rodrigo! I'll be at Sun 'n' Fun Friday, Saturday and Sunday, > and if > the weather is good enough I'll fly my Pietenpol down. The usual > gathering > place for Pietenpol enthusiasts is the wood-working tent where you > will meet > such folks as Dick Navratil and PF Beck. They are usually there > just about > all day, every day. The rest of us come and go, but always check in a > couple of times a day with them. > > Have you thought about what engine you will use on yours? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Rodrigo > Liberato de Oliveira > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:21 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Time to get out of the closet > > > > Hi everyone, > > first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira and > I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm > about to start a Piet project. Plans already here. > I've been following the list for a while now, quite anxious for an > opportunity to contribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills > available at the moment were of use, specially because I haven't > started yet. > But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping , > and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year. > The show itself would be a dream come true already, but since me and > my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet > some of you guys there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is > coming with me, but he speaks no english at all, so patience will be > welcome :) > Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows. > > Cheers from the south, > > Rodrigo > > Piet plans purchased > Sun N Fun, almost there! > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Atualizado em 16/02/2010 > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:39 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike Hardaway Sorry List, Mike, the email I have for you is being returned. Please contact me at: gboothe5@comcast.net. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down...) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:23 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine choice How many Model A cars, trucks, etc. did Henry sell in Brazil? Given Rodrigo's concerns, this might be the most abundant powerplant! At 1:42 PM -0500 2/17/10, Jack Phillips wrote: >Frankly, I think the C90 or O-200 is an ideal choice for a Pietenpol. I >have an A65 Continental on mine and there are days (particularly in the >summer) when I wish I had a bit more power. > >One of the best options is a C90 or C85 with an O-200 crankshaft in it. >Check out Harry Fenton's website - he is THE expert on small Continentals: >http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm > >Good luck! > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine choice From: "K5YAC" At least you are sensible Rodrigo! :D ditoliberato(at)terra.com wrote: > > In concept, I like the corvair. Inexpensive, reliable, and can become a project, just like the rest of the plane. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286834#286834 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:58 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine choice If your idea is be be authentic then you need a Ford model A engine or a Co rvair.Expensive and out of reach.If you want to fly then get what ever work s and you can afford,put it in and FLY.Think of what Bernard would have don e.His idea was for the average guy to build a plane in his backyard and fly it.He did not mean for us to copy him every step of the way.He even made c hanges along the way ,modify here,modify there.Home builders are innovative and resourceful.Use what you can get or find,scrouge.Do what ever it takes but the end result is to get into the air and enjoy.That's my take on it f or what it's worth.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira =0ATo: pietenpol-li st@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, February 17, 2010 1:35:43 PM=0ASubject: Piete Liberato de Oliveira =0A=0AHi Jack,=0A=0Ait's g ood that you asked about my engine choice, cos that's a point where some in put from experts is needed.=0AIn concept, I like the corvair. Inexpensive, reliable, and can become a project, just like the rest of the plane.=0AThe only and probably "ruling out" problem is: there are no corvairs in Brazil. My country has the nasty habit to tax=0Ait's citizens til we bleed, so bui lding and maintaining based on parts brought from the US is not an option. =0AThan there is the continental family. Until the 1960 decade, we had a lo cal designed plane called P-56C "Paulistinha" that used the C90.=0AAlmost e very flight school in the country used that plane and they were produced in a good number, so there are some good blocks around, and that was my initi al=0Aoption. On the modern side, I though of a rebuildable 0-200. There is a guy here who used a Rotax-912 in his piet, but, besides the price,=0Ait j ust doesn't sound 1930 enough for me.=0AWhat do you guys say?=0AC90 x O 200 x "are you nuts?"=0A=0ARodrigo=0A=0AEm 17/02/2010, =E0s 00:13, Jack Philli pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0A> =0A> Great, Rodrigo!- I'll be at Sun 'n' Fun Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and if=0A> the weather is good enough I'll fly my Pietenpol down.- The usual gathering=0A> place for Pietenpol enthusia sts is the wood-working tent where you will meet=0A> such folks as Dick Nav ratil and PF Beck.- They are usually there just about=0A> all day, every day.- The rest of us come and go, but always check in a=0A> couple of tim es a day with them.=0A> =0A> Have you thought about what engine you will us e on yours?=0A> =0A> Jack Phillips=0A> NX899JP=0A> Raleigh, NC=0A> =0A> --- --Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodrig o=0A> Liberato de Oliveira=0A> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:21 PM=0A> erato de Oliveira=0A> =0A> =0A> Hi everyone,=0A> =0A> first of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Rodrigo Oliveira an d=0A> I'm from Minas Gerais - Brazil. Together with my father, Jose, I'm=0A > about to start a Piet project. Plans already here.=0A> I've been followin g the list for a while now, quite anxious for an=0A> opportunity- to cont ribute, but soon I realized that none of my skills=0A> available at the mom ent were of use, specially because I haven't=0A> started yet.=0A> But than, here and there, messages mentioning Sun n Fun are popping ,=0A> and it got me all happy cos I'm actually making it up there this year.=0A> The show i tself would be a dream come true already, but since me and=0A> my Dad have this project now, it's going to be just amazing to meet=0A> some of you guy s there, and maybe see a real Piet "live". Dad is=0A> coming with me, but h e speaks no english at all, so patience will be=0A> welcome :)=0A> Anyway, just wanted to say hi and come out of the shadows.=0A> =0A> Cheers from the south,=0A> =0A> Rodrigo=0A> =0A> Piet plans purchased=0A> Sun N Fun, almos t there!=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Esta mensage m foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra.=0A> Atualizado em 16/02/2010 ==================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:14 AM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mike Hardaway Hi Gary, I guess I have been remiss on spreading the word on my email change. It is now: papa.bike.mike@gmail.com Give it a try now. Mike > _____________________________________________ > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Boothe > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:53 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike Hardaway > > Sorry List, > > Mike, the email I have for you is being returned. Please contact me at: > gboothe5@comcast.net. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down=85) > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:26 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine choice Rodrigo: There is a felow I think his name is Ronnie Correa in Brazil building Aero-Corvairs and parts for sale, May be worth touching base with him http://images.corvair.multiply.com/ And other alternaitve is perhaps Altair Coelho's VW AP 2000 4 cyl inline conversion. http://www.altaircoelho.com.br/ac53fotos.html?Submit2=Fotos+AC+53 Note the nice Franklin 85 he has for sale also. http://www.mataddesign.com/asas/mecan.htm Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira" > > Hi Jack, > > it's good that you asked about my engine choice, cos that's a point > where some input from experts is needed. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather From: helspersew@aol.com Hello all you good people, (an assumption) There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso wou ld interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome , 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL please archive... very important ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:42 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather That's why all the girls called you, "Handsome Dan!" I can see why you're so proud and happy. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather Hello all you good people, (an assumption) There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso would interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome, 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL please archive... very important ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:06 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather Boy are you stupid, Dan. You forgot to paint that cowling before installing the leather and lacing it in place. Now you've got to take it off, paint it and re-lace the leather. Your easy method may make that an easy task, but I'd just as soon stick a fork in my eye as to have to re-lace my cockpit coaming. Just kidding - looks great! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather Hello all you good people, (an assumption) There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso would interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome, 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL please archive... very important ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:02 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather I thought is was "Dapper Dan". :) Do not archive Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:30 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > That=99s why all the girls called you, =9CHandsome Dan! =9D I can see > why you=99re so proud and happy > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down) > > Do not archive > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:20 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference > with coaming leather > > > Hello all you good people, (an assumption) > > There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper > torso would interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the > oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it > looks on a handsome, 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL > > please archive... very important > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:15 PM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather That is one good-looking guy alright, but I think he's the guy who told Dorothy to follow the yellow brick road. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather Hello all you good people, (an assumption) There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso would interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome, 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL please archive... very important ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe From: "K5YAC" You mean this guy? Yeah, 5' 8" seems about right, but I'm think he's fudging a bit on the 150# comment. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286886#286886 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wizard_of_oz_w16munchkinland_149.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe From: "taildrags" Dan; I'm actually kind of surprised that you sit so low in the cockpit. I don't have my airplane here at the moment or I'd go out and check, but it seems like I sit quite a bit higher in the cockpit than your picture shows. Your cockpit looks like a GREAT fit! -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286891#286891 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe From: "K5YAC" I've got to agree with that... I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking waaay out, but dang it would be cool to be tucked down in there like you are. Might actually make it seem like "getting in" rather than "putting it on." taildrags wrote: > Dan; I'm actually kind of surprised that you sit so low in the cockpit. I don't have my airplane here at the moment or I'd go out and check, but it seems like I sit quite a bit higher in the cockpit than your picture shows. Your cockpit looks like a GREAT fit! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286892#286892 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:51 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack My first post to this list was on September 27, 2001. Yes, that was only two weeks or so after the attacks on 9/11. I had only owned my own set of authentic Pietenpol family plans for a few weeks and was fully engulfed in the Piet mystique and appeal, and wanted to learn every thing I could about the airplane. I pulled out all of my old Sport Aviation magazines and everything else I could find on the Piet, and it was still not enough so I searched the net and found this list. My life has never been the same since. It was here on the list that I found Corky Corbett, and here that I happened to be in the right place at the right time to receive the handoff of NX41CC from Corky's hands to mine. What a joy, what a blessing Corky and his airplane have been to me and to my aviating life. To go back just a little, I was introduced to the Piet by Ernie Moreno. I was living in Oregon in 2001 and Ernie had come down to Medford to look over my Flying Squirrel project as an EAA Tech Counselor. I was immediately taken with Ernie and his genuine friendliness and his willingness to help me with my project, so when he extended an invitation for me to visit his place at Independence Airpark, I took him up on it and my friend Paul Martin, my daughter Janna and I flew up in Paul's Tri-Pacer to see Ernie's hangar and the EAA chapter's "Noon Patrol" Nieuport projects one weekend. Inside Ernie's hangar I saw his Piet and it was a downhill slide into Pietenpol bliss from that moment on. Just check out my facial expressions while sitting in Ernie's airplane here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html So that's my Valentine's Day love story! What's yours? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:27 PM PST US From: "Ernie Moreno" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack Wow, Oscar that was a long time ago. Still remember the day you came up from Medford. You were like a little kid in a candy shop. Well, the Piet lives on with a new overhaul on the old Franklin. I am currently finishing up a EAA project, the Indy Flyer . Will be doing the final build day with W&B next Tuesday and on to next project build (possible six DH-2s group build). Have located a Ford engine for the Piet's next adventure. After all it's sea level here. Thanks for the pics... Ernie Moreno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: how did you fall in love Jack > > > My first post to this list was on September 27, > 2001. Yes, that was only two weeks or so after > the attacks on 9/11. I had only owned my own > set of authentic Pietenpol family plans for a > few weeks and was fully engulfed in the Piet > mystique and appeal, and wanted to learn every > thing I could about the airplane. I pulled > out all of my old Sport Aviation magazines > and everything else I could find on the Piet, > and it was still not enough so I searched the > net and found this list. My life has never > been the same since. It was here on the list > that I found Corky Corbett, and here that I > happened to be in the right place at the right > time to receive the handoff of NX41CC from > Corky's hands to mine. What a joy, what a > blessing Corky and his airplane have been to me > and to my aviating life. > > To go back just a little, I was introduced to > the Piet by Ernie Moreno. I was living in > Oregon in 2001 and Ernie had come down to Medford > to look over my Flying Squirrel project as an > EAA Tech Counselor. I was immediately taken with > Ernie and his genuine friendliness and his > willingness to help me with my project, so when he > extended an invitation for me to visit his place > at Independence Airpark, I took him up on it and > my friend Paul Martin, my daughter Janna and I > flew up in Paul's Tri-Pacer to see Ernie's hangar > and the EAA chapter's "Noon Patrol" Nieuport > projects one weekend. Inside Ernie's hangar I saw > his Piet and it was a downhill slide into Pietenpol > bliss from that moment on. Just check out my > facial expressions while sitting in Ernie's airplane > here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html > > So that's my Valentine's Day love story! > What's yours? > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:41 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe Well, I'm 5' 8" also and 155 lb. I sit almost exactly the same with a 1" foam on the seat. Clif "My soul is in the sky." ~ William Shakespeare > > I've got to agree with that... I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking waaay out, > > > taildrags wrote: >> Dan; I'm actually kind of surprised that you sit so low in the cockpit. >> I don't have my airplane here at the moment or I'd go out and check, but >> it seems like I sit quite a bit higher in the cockpit than your picture >> shows. Your cockpit looks like a GREAT fit! > > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286892#286892 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 14:30:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.