---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/18/10: 49 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:58 AM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather (Gerry Holland) 2. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe (Michael Perez) 3. 09:50 AM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather (Tim Willis) 4. 10:33 AM - here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 5. 10:40 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) 6. 10:41 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (helspersew@aol.com) 7. 10:42 AM - Red Betsy? (Jim Ash) 8. 10:50 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Gary Boothe) 9. 11:00 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 10. 11:04 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Isablcorky@aol.com) 11. 11:22 AM - the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 12. 11:23 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) 13. 11:41 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Gerry Holland) 14. 11:42 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (flea) 15. 11:44 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (flea) 16. 01:13 PM - PIETEN-38 (JERRY GROGAN) 17. 01:30 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (taildrags) 18. 01:31 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Jack Phillips) 19. 01:34 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Gary Boothe) 20. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: PIETEN-38 (Ed G.) 21. 01:49 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (TOM STINEMETZE) 22. 01:59 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 23. 02:03 PM - Introduction and invite from John Gaertner (John Gaertner) 24. 02:10 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Bill Church) 25. 02:24 PM - Re: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner (Jeff Boatright) 26. 02:26 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Wayne Bressler) 27. 02:34 PM - Re: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't (bryan green) 28. 02:35 PM - Re: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner (John Gaertner) 29. 02:38 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Gary Boothe) 30. 03:55 PM - Sky Scout? (Michael Silvius) 31. 04:10 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Gene Rambo) 32. 04:23 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Gary Boothe) 33. 04:41 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 34. 04:41 PM - Re: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't (Kip and Beth Gardner) 35. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Rick Holland) 36. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: PIETEN-38 (Rick Holland) 37. 05:26 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Wayne Bressler) 38. 05:26 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Wayne Bressler) 39. 06:12 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Jack) 40. 07:27 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 1 (kevinpurtee) 41. 07:28 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 2 (kevinpurtee) 42. 07:29 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 3 (kevinpurtee) 43. 07:30 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 4 (kevinpurtee) 44. 07:32 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 5 (kevinpurtee) 45. 07:33 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One (kevinpurtee) 46. 07:41 PM - Re: Corvair Cowl Info 5 (Rick Holland) 47. 07:43 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Clif Dawson) 48. 07:54 PM - Re: Red Betsy? (Pieti Lowell) 49. 11:50 PM - Re: Red Betsy? (ivan.todorovic) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather From: Gerry Holland Dan Hi! Coaming looks great. Not sure about the Pilot! The saving grace is the PROPER Bib type work wear! That=B9s why it all worked out well! I start on my version very soon so thanks for the detail of the job and the continuing inspiration. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:57 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leathe Nice to see how it fits. I am about that same size, (5'9" 165#)- My seat is lower then plans because I plan on using some thicker foam to sit on. To find the height I want, I'll just change the foam. - Looks nice! --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Clif Dawson wrote: From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference w ith coaming leathe Well, I'm 5' 8" also and 155 lb. I sit almost exactly the same with a 1" foam on the seat. Clif "My soul is in the sky." ~ William Shakespeare > > I've got to agree with that... I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking waaay out , >- > > taildrags wrote: >> Dan; I'm actually kind of surprised that you sit so low in the cockpit. >> I don't have my airplane here at the moment or I'd go out and check, but >> it seems like I sit quite a bit higher in the cockpit than your picture >> shows.- Your cockpit looks like a GREAT fit! > > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286892#286892 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 14:30:00 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:05 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather Dan, It looks like your position ~ your coaming, your clothing (insulated coveralls?) and your facial array are all set for winter flying. BRRR! The metal and leather look great, and you look well and pleased with it all. Good for you. Tim in central TX do not achive -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Feb 17, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather Hello all you good people, (an assumption) There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso would interfere with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome, 150 lb. man, 5'-8" tall. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL please archive... very important ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:42 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need Now we'll be banned from flying little planes around office buildings with more than 2 stories. I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us lit tle aeroplanes doing damage. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:39 AM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need Nah, only if you owe taxes or about to be audited =) In a message dated 2/18/2010 12:35:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes: Now we=99ll be banned from flying little planes around office buildi ngs with more than 2 stories. I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us little aeroplanes doing damage. _http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html_ (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html) do not archive ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need From: helspersew@aol.com The answer is obvious- mandatory fences (with barbed wire) around all airp orts, Gov't security guards to interviewv all pilots as to state of mind before flight. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2010 12:31 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need Now we=99ll be banned from flying little planes around office buildi ngs with more than 2 stories. I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us li ttle aeroplanes doing damage. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html do not archive ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:12 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Pietenpol-List: Red Betsy? A few years back, the topic of a movie called 'Red Betsy' came up on this list. I just asked my wife to add it to our NetFlix list, but NetFlix doesn't know anything about it. Does anybody know what happened to this one? I always thought the movie business was about 90 percent marketing, but that seems to be the exception here. Jim ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:00 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need We're OK. It was described as, ".low and fast." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need Now we'll be banned from flying little planes around office buildings with more than 2 stories. I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us little aeroplanes doing damage. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:41 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need If a revolt starts this guy might be the revolter's first martyr! Sad thing for him, his family, and General Aviation. I do think we might need to see what AOPA and the EAA look at for reaction. Should we contact our elected reps and remind them that we fly planes and don't hit buildings! Indeed a Ryder rental truck could have done a great deal more damage. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:42 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need We should be thankful that a Piet wasn't used ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:50 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't Aha-Chrissi called it first. The guy left a suicide note grumbling about the IRS and US Gov't. Evidently he burned his own home down before taking ruining a perfectly goo d airplane and parts of the IRS building. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:44 AM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need Well, "Low and slow" might be interpreted as you were trying to sneak up on the target =) But then, if they did say low and slow everybody would be looking for the "Fly'n Chebby" ...Chrissi In a message dated 2/18/2010 12:52:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, gboothe5@comcast.net writes: We=99re OK. It was described as, =9Clow and fast =9D Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Mich ael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need Now we=99ll be banned from flying little planes around office build ings with more than 2 stories. I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us little aeroplanes doing damage. _http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html_ (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html) do not archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need From: Gerry Holland The answer is obvious- mandatory fences (with barbed wire) around all airports, Gov't security guards to interview all pilots as to state of mind before flight. As ridiculous as Dan=B9s premise sounds, that=B9s exactly what is being envisioned here in UK and wider across Europe. My simple Airstrip 1700=B9 X 100=B9 and set remotely at 520=B9 elevation way out in country side is muted to maybe require secure fencing and security presence through patrolling. I have 3 Aircraft based there. We already have an Annual Inspection of Site and Movements book by County Police Department responsible for Ports and UK Access. That has not been a problem but again, like you where is it going to lead. I hope a level headed investigation goe s into your incident. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need From: "flea" We're all going to have to check in two hours before our flight to clear TSA, and only after completion of a flight plan and the mandatory seven day waiting period. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287000#287000 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need From: "flea" A ryder truck is cliche' Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287001#287001 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:57 PM PST US From: "JERRY GROGAN" Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me. Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to do. I have attached a concept picture Jerry ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38 From: "taildrags" Hah-! That is something else! But why stop there? Put a full panel in it and put the thing on floats and get your multi, sea, land, instrument, and everything else in it! Only thing lacking would be cowl flaps and controllable pitch prop and the horsepower (plus retracts) and you could get your complex, high performance too. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287017#287017 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:43 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 Cool! Two Corvairs gives double the chance of a crankshaft snapping _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERRY GROGAN Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me. Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to do. I have attached a concept picture Jerry ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:17 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 Jerry, You get an 'A' for original thinking, but..GOOD HEAVENS, MAN! Isn't one Gary & Shad Bell enough? Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERRY GROGAN Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me. Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to do. I have attached a concept picture Jerry ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:35 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38 Toushea Oscar... I could see that comeing..... > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38 > From: taildrags@hotmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 18 Feb 2010 13:30:19 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Hah-! That is something else! But why stop there? Put a full panel in it and put the thing on floats and get your multi=2C sea=2C land=2C instrument =2C and everything else in it! Only thing lacking would be cowl flaps and c ontrollable pitch prop and the horsepower (plus retracts) and you could get your complex=2C high performance too. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio=2C TX > Air Camper NX41CC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287017#287017 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:23 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 Good one Jerry. Boy I wish I knew whether to take you seriously or not! However, to be a true Pieten38 it would have to have a third fuselage in the middle where the pilot would sit. THEN it would be a 5-place airplane. Stinemetze N328X >>the Pieten-38. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:00 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 Nice photoshop work Jerry. Be sure to show us what your paint scheme wi ll look like soon, okay ? Shad Bell is really going to like being two. One of him can stay home, wa tch his child and keep his wife happy and the other of him can go flying an d to fly-in's all around the land this summer ! Does this mean Shad get s another deduction in 2010 ? I'm seeing double. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:23 PM PST US From: John Gaertner Subject: Pietenpol-List: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner Hello, I would like to introduce myself and invite anyone who is interested to visit our blog about our Air Camper build out. Anyone can visit and contribute to the blog at: http://pietenpolbuildingproject.blogspot.com/ . My firm, Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC specializes in building historical aircraft and parts is helping a local individual with his Model A powered Pietenpol Air Camper building project. My background is in the professional aviation museum field including a number of years as Curator of the EAA Museum in Oshkosh, home of the Pietenpol hangar and planes. Blue Swallow Aircraft LLC offers comprehensive wood working workshop for aircraft builders and covers everything from grading lumber to making steaming jigs and routing out profiles. You can learn more about our services at our web site. I look forward to reading your threads in the coming weeks and months. Sincerely, John Gaertner Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC www.BlueSwallowAircraft.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38 From: "Bill Church" Well, Jerry, I can see two other minor problems with your concept (in addition to the "little stress on the tail"). One is the co-ordination of the two pilots. Getting them to both look left at the same time would be a challenge. Synchronized piloting? The other problem is the discontinuity of the shadow cast by such a craft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287035#287035 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:59 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner John, Welcome aboard! You may want to include a link to Chris Tracey's website: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ There are tons of photos there that have helped a lot of builders. Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:11 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 It could be more aptly named the Peiten-82, similar to the twin Mustang, F-82. Right? Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:47 PM, "TOM STINEMETZE" wrote: > Good one Jerry. Boy I wish I knew whether to take you seriously or > not! However, to be a true Pieten38 it would have to have a third > fuselage in the middle where the pilot would sit. THEN it would be > a 5-place airplane. > > Stinemetze > N328X > > >>the Pieten-38. > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:03 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't I agree with Patton on the Martyr crap. I just hope the next crazy uses a leaf blower I hate um. Do not archive Bryan Green Elgin SC ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't Aha-Chrissi called it first. The guy left a suicide note grumbling about the IRS and US Gov't. Evidently he burned his own home down before taking ruining a perfectly good airplane and parts of the IRS building. do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:55 PM PST US From: John Gaertner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner Take a look, it is done! Thank you! That is what we are looking for... John Gaertner Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:06 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 Yeah, I can see it now.conversation with a young designer, post WWII: "Father, the Company has me under a lot of pressure to design something new; but everyone knows that the P-51 is the best design ever." Father (being the smart-a__ that he is): "Well, then, Son, if the Mustang is so great, why not just join two together, then you'll have twice the airplane." Jerry - sound familiar? Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Bressler Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 It could be more aptly named the Peiten-82, similar to the twin Mustang, F-82. Right? Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:47 PM, "TOM STINEMETZE" wrote: Good one Jerry. Boy I wish I knew whether to take you seriously or not! However, to be a true Pieten38 it would have to have a third fuselage in the middle where the pilot would sit. THEN it would be a 5-place airplane. Stinemetze N328X >>the Pieten-38. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:39 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1259 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:36 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? Fly Baby. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Silvius To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602 115&_trksid=p2759.l1259 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:55 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? No grandson? Deal's off... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? Fly Baby. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Silvius Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:11 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? If It's a Fly Baby, somebody put on Piet style tail feathers. Also, don't FB's usually have a ply skin all the way back? However, the gear do look FB-ish. Kip Gardner On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Fly Baby. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Silvius > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp; Features > Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http:// > forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; title=http:// > www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:27 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't Ha! Good one Bryan - maybe a leaf blower in his pants? Might be hard to get by security. On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:29 PM, bryan green wrote: > I agree with Patton on the Martyr crap. I just hope the next crazy > uses a leaf blower I hate um. > Do not archive > Bryan Green > Elgin SC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:17 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't > > Aha=97Chrissi called it first. The guy left a suicide note > grumbling about the IRS and US Gov=92t. > > Evidently he burned his own home down before taking ruining a > perfectly good airplane and parts > of the IRS building. > > do not archive > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need From: Rick Holland Yea, like a guy from Spain posted on this newsgroup last year. He said they have to request approval days in advance including sending in copies of ids of all passengers before every flight. do not archive On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:42 PM, flea wrote: > > We're all going to have to check in two hours before our flight to clear > TSA, and only after completion of a flight plan and the mandatory seven day > waiting period. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287000#287000 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38 From: Rick Holland And don't forget the deicing boots.. do not archive On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:30 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Hah-! That is something else! But why stop there? Put a full panel in it > and put the thing on floats and get your multi, sea, land, instrument, and > everything else in it! Only thing lacking would be cowl flaps and > controllable pitch prop and the horsepower (plus retracts) and you could get > your complex, high performance too. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > Air Camper NX41CC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287017#287017 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:44 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? Not a Fly Baby. The Fly Baby has alot more ply, like the Piet. I'm thinking with all the bracing wires up front, it's something much older. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:08 PM, "Gene Rambo" wrote: > Fly Baby. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Silvius > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp > ; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:44 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? Fly Baby gear is all-wood. Plus, this thing has strut attach plates on the side of the fuselage. Two of them. The tail is all wrong for everything we've mentioned, too. I'm still looking. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: > If It's a Fly Baby, somebody put on Piet style tail feathers. Also, > don't FB's usually have a ply skin all the way back? However, the > gear do look FB-ish. > > Kip Gardner > > On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > >> Fly Baby. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michael Silvius >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout? >> >> > >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp >> ; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ >> >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:04 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 I love it Jerry, count me in! I reserve the left rear seat. Jack DSM Do not archive In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me. Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to do. I have attached a concept picture Jerry ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 1 From: "kevinpurtee" Several people have asked for pictures of NX899KP's corvair cowl. I've broken the pictures into 6 documents so folks can download as they desire. Kevin Purtee NX899KP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287107#287107 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_1_203.doc ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 2 From: "kevinpurtee" Part 2 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287108#287108 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_2_237.doc ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 3 From: "kevinpurtee" 3 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287109#287109 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_3_931.doc ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 4 From: "kevinpurtee" 4 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287110#287110 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_4_205.doc ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 5 From: "kevinpurtee" 5 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287113#287113 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_5_107.doc ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One From: "kevinpurtee" 6 of 6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287114#287114 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_6_202.doc ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 5 From: Rick Holland Looks good Kevin, what did you paint your cowling with? rick On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:31 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > 5 of 6 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287113#287113 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_5_107.doc > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:52 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 Ha ha! me too. I reserve the top of the centersection. I have my own lawn chair. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38 I love it Jerry, count me in! I reserve the left rear seat. Jack DSM Do not archive Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to do. I have attached a concept picture Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/18/10 11:34:00 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? From: "Pieti Lowell" Ted Davis was the pilot that flew Allen's Piet in the movie, and I was the Tech. Director ????. There were some great experiences and events that happened during the filming of the movie. Maybe Ted and I should give an overview of the filming at Brodhead 2010. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287118#287118 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? From: "ivan.todorovic" There's a link to the official web-site on the poster. Ivan. 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