---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/20/10: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:35 AM - Re: Re: First flight for NX866BC too (Ben Charvet) 2. 03:58 AM - Re: It's a plane (Jerry Dotson) 3. 06:02 AM - congrats (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 06:40 AM - Re: First flight for NX866BC too (Jeff Boatright) 5. 07:03 AM - Re: Fw: First flight pictures (Jeff Boatright) 6. 07:07 AM - First flight for NX866BC too (santiago morete) 7. 07:35 AM - Broadhead / Serenade to the Big Bird (Gene & Tammy) 8. 08:35 AM - Re: Broadhead / Serenade to the Big Bird (Perry Rhoads) 9. 08:54 AM - Re: Fw: First flight pictures (airlion) 10. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One (Tim Willis) 11. 09:11 AM - Re: Fw: First flight pictures (Michael Perez) 12. 09:18 AM - Re: Broadhead / Serenade to the Big Bird (Dan Yocum) 13. 09:57 AM - Re: Fw: First flight pictures (H RULE) 14. 10:45 AM - Re: First flight for NX866BC too (Jim) 15. 10:45 AM - Re: It's a plane (Jim) 16. 12:32 PM - Re: It's a plane (airlion) 17. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: It's a plane (Jim) 18. 01:07 PM - Re: Broadhead / Serenade to the Big Bird (Ben Charvet) 19. 01:08 PM - Re: It's a plane (David Paule) 20. 02:31 PM - Re: It's a plane (Gene Rambo) 21. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: Red Betsy? (Tim Willis) 22. 03:18 PM - Joe Stack's suicide note (Tim Willis) 23. 03:58 PM - Re: It's a plane (airlion) 24. 04:02 PM - Re: Red Betsy? (Pieti Lowell) 25. 04:14 PM - Re: Fw: First flight pictures (Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira) 26. 04:30 PM - Fw: It's a plane (airlion) 27. 04:48 PM - Re: Joe Stack's suicide note (joe motis) 28. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Red Betsy? (Dan Yocum) 29. 04:54 PM - Sky Scout... (Ray Krause) 30. 05:28 PM - Re: Sky Scout... (Pastor Mike Townsley) 31. 05:29 PM - Re: Sky Scout... (ldmill) 32. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: Red Betsy? (Gary Boothe) 33. 05:33 PM - Re: Sky Scout... (shad bell) 34. 05:41 PM - Re: It's a plane (David Paule) 35. 05:59 PM - Re: Joe Stack's suicide note (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 36. 07:11 PM - Re: Fw: It's a plane (Ben Charvet) 37. 07:48 PM - Looking for Mike Fisher of Talkeetna Alaska (Matt Naiva) 38. 08:15 PM - Re: Red Betsy? (dgaldrich) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:33 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight for NX866BC too On 2/19/2010 10:02 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" > > Ben I am proud for you. How about posting a high quality pic of the inflight from the J-3 ...that is a good scene. Was the ground handling as easy as the Baby Ace? > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287300#287300 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It's a plane From: "Jerry Dotson" Gardiner you da man! I guess that Cessna 140 might gather dust now. That's a good looking airplane. Great pictures. I didn't know you could grin like that. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287327#287327 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:13 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: congrats Congratulations guys on your first flights!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:07 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight for NX866BC too Ben and Gardiner- WOWEE WOW WOW! CONGRATULATIONS! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:16 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: First flight pictures Great lookin' plane and pilot. I'm sure GQ will be calling for a photoshoot next week, Gardiner, what with the scarf and all. I like your front 'pit cover. Did it make a difference? My ankles freeze any time I fly without the front cover. If you want to get some serious time in on her, you might think about picking up an inexpensive insulated coverall at Wally World or Chez Target or online. Mine is made by Dickies, but Carhart makes some, too. They sell 'em in lots of sizes, including to fit guys like you and me - we who have manly chests but not a lot of height! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:12 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight for NX866BC too Congratulations Gardiner and Ben!!!!!! Saludos! - Santiago=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:43 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Broadhead / Serenade to the Big Bird Would someone give me the dates for Broadhead 2010? A while back someone listed a good hotel/motel to stay at. I need to make reservations for my wife and myself, (I'll Fly & she'll drive) so if anyone remembers, please forward the info. A while back someone on this list mentioned that the book, "Serenade To The Big Bird", was a really good book by Bert Stiles, about flying the B 17 in WWII. The book is expensive (keeping in mind I usually spend 5 or 6 bucks on used paperbacks) but I finally found a hard copy for $25.00 and it is a good read. I will be glad to forward it to anyone, for free, that wants to read it, on the condition that after they have read it, they forward it to someone else that wants to read it, so on and so on. I will send it "book rate" and it may take a week or so to arrive. Anyone? Gene In Beautiful flying weather Tennessee N502R Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:08 AM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Broadhead / Serenade to the Big Bird Gene, Brodhead dates. (7-22/7-25) No motels in Brodhead, but a couple of B&B's. I know Monroe,about 10sm west has at least a Super 8. I couldn't figure out ground transportation(rental cars), so I got a reservation at one of the B&B's in Brodhead and I'll just walk back and forth. I'll be flying N12939 up from south/central IL. Perry ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Broadhead / Serenade to the Big Bird Would someone give me the dates for Broadhead 2010? A while back someone listed a good hotel/motel to stay at. I need to make reservations for my wife and myself, (I'll Fly & she'll drive) so if anyone remembers, please forward the info. A while back someone on this list mentioned that the book, "Serenade To The Big Bird", was a really good book by Bert Stiles, about flying the B 17 in WWII. The book is expensive (keeping in mind I usually spend 5 or 6 bucks on used paperbacks) but I finally found a hard copy for $25.00 and it is a good read. I will be glad to forward it to anyone, for free, that wants to read it, on the condition that after they have read it, they forward it to someone else that wants to read it, so on and so on. I will send it "book rate" and it may take a week or so to arrive. Anyone? Gene In Beautiful flying weather Tennessee N502R Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:36 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: First flight pictures JEFF, tHE FRONT PIT COVER WORKED GREAT AND IT WILL STAY THERE UNTILL I MAKE A SNAP ON CANVAS COVER. NO WIND AT ALL ON MY LEGS AND ALL i NEEDED WAS A JACKET. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 10:00:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: First flight pictures Great lookin' plane and pilot. I'm sure GQ will be calling for a photoshoot next week, Gardiner, what with the scarf and all. I like your front 'pit cover. Did it make a difference? My ankles freeze any time I fly without the front cover. If you want to get some serious time in on her, you might think about picking up an inexpensive insulated coverall at Wally World or Chez Target or online. Mine is made by Dickies, but Carhart makes some, too. They sell 'em in lots of sizes, including to fit guys like you and me - we who have manly chests but not a lot of height! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:55 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One Kevin, thanks. God is in the details. I really like your methodology. With 3 formers a side to make my fuze profile curvy, I'll have to have a little rounder cowling, I am counting that unrolling the sheet will provide the curve. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: kevinpurtee >Sent: Feb 19, 2010 12:19 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One > > >You're on track on 1-3, Tim. On 4, the front piece is split horizontally to allow removal. The split is joined by 3 screws on each side of the prop. When the cowling's removed the top part of the nose piece goes with the top of the cowl (riveted) & the bottom part of the nose piece goes to the bottom of the cowl (riveted). > >The dipstick sticks out of a hole in the top piece. I have a door on top to add oil. The bottom piece has a hole cut out for the air filter and a notch to access the gascolator. > >I just got a hangar in georgetown and, if people will quit attacking IRS buildings out of georgetown, I'll get the plane there and you can come look. 10 minutes after I took off from Austin to fly to Houston to pick up the plane yesterday, that jerk hit the building. Got to Houston & checked notams. Sure enough: Georgetown closed. Came back to Austin plane-less. Going to try to get it on Sunday if weather & flight availability cooperate. > >Kevin > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287223#287223 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:25 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: First flight pictures MAN! Hearing about first flights and the like is great! I would like to rea d posts like these every few weeks or so just to keep ME motivated! I think it is awesome, nice job men! - S! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:55 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Broadhead / Serenade to the Big Bird Gene, Here's the thread I think you're referring to: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246566 Also, google maps does a pretty good job of finding hotels near Brodhead: http://maps.google.com/maps?near=Brodhead,+WI&geocode=CWlkM84dC6vKFeZNigIdHDqs-in5Y3dnXSsGiDGbzbms9L_hmw&q=hotel&f=l&sll=42.618342,-89.376228&sspn=0.026243,0.052872&ie=UTF8&z=11 Looking forward to seeing you there! Dan in snowy, with more snow coming, Illinois. On 02/20/2010 09:34 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote: > Would someone give me the dates for Broadhead 2010? A while back > someone listed a good hotel/motel to stay at. I need to make > reservations for my wife and myself, (I'll Fly & she'll drive) so if > anyone remembers, please forward the info. > A while back someone on this list mentioned that the book, "Serenade To > The Big Bird", was a really good book by Bert Stiles, about flying the B > 17 in WWII. The book is expensive (keeping in mind I usually spend 5 or > 6 bucks on used paperbacks) but I finally found a hard copy for $25.00 > and it is a good read. I will be glad to forward it to anyone, for free, > that wants to read it, on the condition that after they have read it, > they forward it to someone else that wants to read it, so on and so on. > I will send it "book rate" and it may take a week or so to arrive. Anyone? > Gene In Beautiful flying weather Tennessee > N502R > Do Not Archive > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:40 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: First flight pictures Yes,it's sort of like when-I was in AMWAY.They had these motivational tap es to listen to in order to keep you up to do the business and then there w as the big rally every once in a while.That would be Brodhead.You hear abou t enough success and see enough of the finished product and then you are re ady to fly your own!As one of the guys is fond of saying"keep makin the saw dust guys and dolls".=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________ _____________=0AFrom: Michael Perez =0ATo: pieten pol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, February 20, 2010 12:10:13 PM=0ASubject : Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: First flight pictures=0A=0A=0AMAN! Hearing about first flights and the like is great! I would like to read posts like these every few weeks or so just to keep ME motivated! I think it is awesome, nic =================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:06 AM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight for NX866BC too Congratulations to you too Ben. Its nice to see all these Piets coming to life after reading all the messages and seeing the pictures of them during the building stages. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, Ben Charvet wrote: After watching the wind sock stand straight out for a week, today finally was the day. I did one high speed taxi down the runway, just to make sure the airspeed indicator worked (it didn't come alive till the tailwheel came up). Lined up on the runway and went for it. This was the first time the new engine had seen full throttle, but it came right up and I was off. I'm in Florida, call me a wimp, but it was in the 40's here this morning. Following the recommendations in the FAA advisory circular I climbed up to 3000 ft (Real cold up there). This was my first flight in any Pietenpol. I've been flying an old Baby Ace for the last 3 years, and the Piet was really quite an improvement. It seems to be about 15 mph faster. I was cruising easily at 78 mph at 2050 rpm. I'll take the GPS up with me to see if that is accurate, but it just seemed faster using ground reference. I even flew down the interstate and outran some trucks! I was determined to stay up for an hour, and by then I was really getting chilled. I was really surprised that the Piet is a lot less draggy than my Baby Ace. I overshot the first landing, the folks on the ground thinking I was doing a fly-by. The second approach was still a little fast, but I managed to do what I considered an amazing landing, considering how many people were watching. I'll attach a post-flight picture with the "Pietenpol Grin". The airport bums and my wife went out for a celebratory lunch, and I went back to the airport for a post-flight inspection. While I was doing that a stranger drove up and congratulated me on my first flight. He introduced himself as an FAA inspector! He was a real nice guy, though and asked if I would be going to Sun-N-Fun (70 miles past my Phase 1 radius). I told him I would if I could fly my 25 hrs off. He said if I could get 15 hours on it he would write me a waiver! Look for me parked in the homebuilders corner. After I put it all back together, the wind sock was starting to droop, and a friend was dragging out his J-3. I figured, why not go again, so off I went. I climbed up to 2500 feet this time. It was around 3 PM by this time, and it was still cold up there. I decided to check out the dreaded Pietenpol Airfoil Stall. I slowed it till it was showing 28 mph on the airspeed indicator and felt the burble, and called that close enough. About that time I could see my friend's J-3 taking off. I had handed my camera to a buddy that was riding along with him and he got a great shot of my Pietenpol time maching with the Kennedy Space Center in the background. I'll attach that too. In all I flew 1.9 hours today, and if it warms up a little and the weather cooperates, I should be able to take my wife up for her long-awaited first ride soon. This list has been a great help and inspiration. Hope we can get a good showing at Sun-N-Fun. Get building guys, its worth it! Ben Charvet NX866BC 23.1 hrs to go PS. Congratulations Gardiner! ------ Saving Attachments ------ Many Email programs delete attachments when you delete a message. If you want to save these images you should do so before deleting the email. Check the instructions for your email program for how to save attachments. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:42 AM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Congratulations Gardiner. Will you be able to fly it to Brodhead this summer? You mentioned rudder trim, did it need it flying straight and level or just during climb out. Way to go, gotta go to work on mine. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, airlion wrote: Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:29 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 1:35:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Congratulations Gardiner. Will you be able to fly it to Brodhead this summer? You mentioned rudder trim, did it need it flying straight and level or just during climb out. Way to go, gotta go to work on mine. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, airlion wrote: Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:24 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane HI Gardiner, I tried to send this once but forgot to make it plain text so it got rejected. Anyway since I have a Corvair also was wondering if you had to offset the vertical fin. Mine is set straight ahead so far but think I will offset it a little as well. Used to fly a 1966 Cessna Skyhawk that was out of rig; it was faster than most but was a pain as you had to really fide the rudder. It would outrun all the other 172's in the area but probably looked like it was dog tracking from the rear. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Feb 20, 2010 12:37:52 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote: Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 1:35:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Congratulations Gardiner. Will you be able to fly it to Brodhead this summer? You mentioned rudder trim, did it need it flying straight and level or just during climb out. Way to go, gotta go to work on mine. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, airlion wrote: Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:24 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Broadhead / Serenade to the Big Bird 2 years ago I stayed at the Gasthaus in Monroe. It is an older family owned motel. Only about 20 min from Brodhead as I remember. This year my wife is coming with me (we're flying into Milwaukee commercial) and I let her pick the accomodations, because her standards are a lot higher than mine. We are planning to stay in a B&B in Bellville that has 5 stars. Its not cheap, but I'm so tickled that she is coming with me I don't care. Ben Charvet Still with the first flight grin > > On 02/20/2010 09:34 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote: >> Would someone give me the dates for Broadhead 2010? A while back >> someone listed a good hotel/motel to stay at. I need to make >> reservations for my wife and myself, (I'll Fly & she'll drive) so if >> anyone remembers, please forward the info. >> A while back someone on this list mentioned that the book, "Serenade To >> The Big Bird", was a really good book by Bert Stiles, about flying the B >> 17 in WWII. The book is expensive (keeping in mind I usually spend 5 or >> 6 bucks on used paperbacks) but I finally found a hard copy for $25.00 >> and it is a good read. I will be glad to forward it to anyone, for free, >> that wants to read it, on the condition that after they have read it, >> they forward it to someone else that wants to read it, so on and so on. >> I will send it "book rate" and it may take a week or so to arrive. >> Anyone? >> Gene In Beautiful flying weather Tennessee >> N502R >> Do Not Archive >> >> * >> >> >> * > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:55 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. David Paule > > Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way > off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled > my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not > , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. > Cheers, Gardiner > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:32 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Keep in mind if you do end up putting on a trim tab, nothing says it has to hang off the trailing edge where it looks bad. It can be forward so that it does not show past the trailing edge of the rudder and do the same job. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: airlion To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane > Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 1:35:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane > Congratulations Gardiner. Will you be able to fly it to Brodhead this summer? You mentioned rudder trim, did it need it flying straight and level or just during climb out. Way to go, gotta go to work on mine. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Feb 19, 2010, airlion > wrote: > Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:24 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? Judging by Ms. Elliott's very apparent natural charms, I'd bet you had a chance to use your proprietary shoulder harness adjustment techniques*, too, Lowell... again... again.... (*note: as you described at Brodhead '08.) Tim Jealous in central TX do not achive -----Original Message----- >From: Pieti Lowell >Sent: Feb 19, 2010 2:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? > > >I had to show the leading man how to lift Alison Elliott,into the rear cock-pit without allowing her skirt to attach to the edge of the cockpit combing, it took a few trials to get it right. >Pieti Lowell > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287242#287242 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:12 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joe Stack's suicide note Various media have posted, edited, pulled, and very selectively characterized the suicide note of local Austinite Joe Stack. He certainly has not helped GA. His actions are hard to understand, no matter what his motivation. We in GA may need to know more about this in order to explain that WE ARE not NUTS ourselves. Stack did not get all excited at his local EAA meeting and then decide to fly into a building. Apparently he was no "tea bagger" either. What he was is debatable. Various reporters have tried to slant in alignment with their politics and editorial policy. However, now that he is hard to pin down into some despised niche by media talking heads, he is dropped from the news cycle. Various snippets of his note make him out to be one thing or another. However, I have the full text, which our son in CA found posted on the Internet for awhile. It is more interesting and compelling than I would have imagined, as well as disturbing. He does not sound crazy. No sensible person could possibly defend his actions. It is all so chilling because he has been described as being so normal, as being a regular guy. Normal. Normal??? Yet in reading his note I was left with a vague feeling of "There, but for the grace of God, goes Everyman." I am speaking of his TROUBLES and his SITUATION, not his ACTIONS. Many of us have been, or could have been painted into corners like his. Except of course, Stack snapped and then decided to take out his complaints against the world by trying to kill hundreds of people who were merely employees of our government. That he killed or injured so few seems impossible if you saw the building on fire. Thank God. For the record, I don't know Stack. Our younger son and his GF saw him perform (as a bass guitarist, I think) in a group local Georgetown, TX, restaurant and bar a few weeks ago. Apparently he hangared his Cherokee at our local Georgetown airport, and he likely flew right over our house on his way to oblivion. This is no place for politics or psychology. I am not trying to make a point here in those venues. However, as pilots, we may be asked what you think of it all. Thus, if anyone is interested in the several page statement, send me a personal email with "Stack" in the subject line, and I will reply with an attached word doc. I would be interested in what you think, and will reply off-line. I feel sorry for his family and his other victims. Tim in central TX do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:01 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane no it won't ----- Original Message ---- From: David Paule Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:07:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. David Paule > > Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? From: "Pieti Lowell" Tim,The Piet I had to work with had no shoulder harnesses, but it did have a safety belt. And by the third attempt to slip this beautiful young woman into that rear cockpit , If I remember correctly, she weighed less at each attempt, I don't remember ever having a sore back. By the way Tim, I'm working on a Pieti Girl pinup Tee Shirt if there are any takers.Give me fair warning before Brodhead, and she will be along side my B Ford. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287407#287407 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:13 PM PST US From: Rodrigo Liberato de Oliveira Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: First flight pictures Makes us dream and believe our day is coming too. Congrats guys Rodrigo Em 20/02/2010, =E0s 15:10, Michael Perez escreveu: > MAN! Hearing about first flights and the like is great! I would like > to read posts like these every few weeks or so just to keep ME > motivated! I think it is awesome, nice job men! > > S! > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Atualizado em 20/02/2010 > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:17 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane If you have step on the ball then it is not in trim ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: airlion Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 6:57:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane no it won't ----- Original Message ---- From: David Paule Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:07:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. David Paule > > Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Joe Stack's suicide note From: joe motis enough! joe motis do not archive On 2/20/10, Tim Willis wrote: > > timothywillis@earthlink.net> > > > Various media have posted, edited, pulled, and very selectively > characterized the suicide note of local Austinite Joe Stack. He certainly > has not helped GA. His actions are hard to understand, no matter what his > motivation. We in GA may need to know more about this in order to explain > that WE ARE not NUTS ourselves. > > Stack did not get all excited at his local EAA meeting and then decide to > fly into a building. Apparently he was no "tea bagger" either. What he was > is debatable. > > Various reporters have tried to slant in alignment with their politics and > editorial policy. However, now that he is hard to pin down into some > despised niche by media talking heads, he is dropped from the news > cycle. Various snippets of his note make him out to be one thing or > another. However, I have the full text, which our son in CA found posted on > the Internet for awhile. It is more interesting and compelling than I would > have imagined, as well as disturbing. He does not sound crazy. No sensible > person could possibly defend his actions. > > It is all so chilling because he has been described as being so normal, as > being a regular guy. Normal. Normal??? > > Yet in reading his note I was left with a vague feeling of "There, but for > the grace of God, goes Everyman." I am speaking of his TROUBLES and his > SITUATION, not his ACTIONS. Many of us have been, or could have been > painted into corners like his. Except of course, Stack snapped and then > decided to take out his complaints against the world by trying to kill > hundreds of people who were merely employees of our government. That he > killed or injured so few seems impossible if you saw the building on > fire. Thank God. > > For the record, I don't know Stack. Our younger son and his GF saw him > perform (as a bass guitarist, I think) in a group local Georgetown, TX, > restaurant and bar a few weeks ago. Apparently he hangared his Cherokee at > our local Georgetown airport, and he likely flew right over our house on his > way to oblivion. > > This is no place for politics or psychology. I am not trying to make a > point here in those venues. However, as pilots, we may be asked what you > think of it all. Thus, if anyone is interested in the several page > statement, send me a personal email with "Stack" in the subject line, and I > will reply with an attached word doc. I would be interested in what you > think, and will reply off-line. > > I feel sorry for his family and his other victims. > > Tim in central TX > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:48 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? Pieti, Much to the chagrin of my wife, count me in for one of those! Dan do not archive On 02/20/2010 06:02 PM, Pieti Lowell wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Pieti Lowell" > > Tim,The Piet I had to work with had no shoulder harnesses, but it did have a safety belt. And by the third attempt to slip this beautiful young woman into that rear cockpit , If I remember correctly, she weighed less at each attempt, I don't remember ever having a sore back. > By the way Tim, I'm working on a Pieti Girl pinup Tee Shirt if there are any takers.Give me fair warning before Brodhead, and she will be along side my B Ford. > Pieti Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287407#287407 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:07 PM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... I have started the Sky Scout and have completed the tail sections and about 1/2 of the fuselage. I will be using the A-65 that came with the completed ribs and the wood/plans. The plans call for "1675" streamlined tubing, but I find no reference to this at the supply houses. I am assuming it is chromolly (an older designation), not aluminum; correct? All of the other metal call-outs are for chromolly. To those who have made their struts from laminated wood, are they lighter than Chromolly? This is sure a lot of fun, but the plans sure leave a lot of "builder discretion (interpretation)"! Please let me know if others are building, or have built, a Sky Scout. I don't think they are very popular, as compared to the Air Camper. I am building exactly to plans, except for the "interpretation" items. I plan to use the three section wing plans for practicality purposes. Oh yes, another minor change that might be considered: I have a J-3 tank that fits perfectly behind the firewall and allows plenty of leg room. Good, or bad, for CG considerations? I am used to having the fuel right between my legs since I fly a Sonex and the J-3! I look forward to good discussions with the Sky Scout. I have followed this group for over a year now. Thanks, Ray Krause N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. Colusa, California 530-736-2627 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... From: Pastor Mike Townsley HI Ray, How much do you weigh? I weigh about 220 lbs and I was told I am too heavy for the Scout. I know some scouts have been built and have seen them for sale, some say no pilots over 200 lbs, as weight and balance won't work out...it will be tail heavy. On the tubing, you could use round tubing and use some wood to steamline it. Some have done that. But you could use chrome moly tubing. I would not use aluminum. Just make sure it is strong enough. I am sure lots of guys will chime in on the right size tubing to use. I decided to move to a Air Camper over the Scout for two reasons, 1. My weight. 2. I could learn to fly in the Air Camper and it doesn't take that much more materials to build. (if I ever get to buiding) Good luck on the Scout. I hope it all works out for you. It would be a nice plane. Have you read about Chad Willie's Scout and Mr. Hall's Scout ? Two nice ones to model after. Mike Townsley On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Ray Krause wrote: > I have started the Sky Scout and have completed the tail sections and > about 1/2 of the fuselage. I will be using the A-65 that came with the > completed ribs and the wood/plans. > > The plans call for "1675" streamlined tubing, but I find no reference to > this at the supply houses. I am assuming it is chromolly (an older > designation), not aluminum; correct? All of the other metal call-outs are > for chromolly. To those who have made their struts from laminated wood, are > they lighter than Chromolly? > > This is sure a lot of fun, but the plans sure leave a lot of "builder > discretion (interpretation)"! Please let me know if others are building, or > have built, a Sky Scout. I don't think they are very popular, as compared > to the Air Camper. I am building exactly to plans, except for the > "interpretation" items. I plan to use the three section wing plans for > practicality purposes. > > Oh yes, another minor change that might be considered: I have a J-3 tank > that fits perfectly behind the firewall and allows plenty of leg room. > Good, or bad, for CG considerations? I am used to having the fuel right > between my legs since I fly a Sonex and the J-3! > > I look forward to good discussions with the Sky Scout. I have followed > this group for over a year now. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, > Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. Colusa, California > 530-736-2627 > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout... From: "ldmill" Hi Ray! Nice to see another Waiex guy hanging out here. I'm not done with mine yet (getting closer though). Got my endorsement in a J-3, what a hoot! Got the plans for the Aircamper last year and am starting to acquire stuff to start the build. What a difference between Sonex and Piet plans, eh? Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX Jab3300 (1747), Aerocarb, Standard Gear, Stratomaster Ultra, Prince Colo, Iowa -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX Pietenpol next up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287419#287419 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:10 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? Me, too. (working on windscreens today! :-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? Pieti, Much to the chagrin of my wife, count me in for one of those! Dan do not archive On 02/20/2010 06:02 PM, Pieti Lowell wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Pieti Lowell" > > Tim,The Piet I had to work with had no shoulder harnesses, but it did have a safety belt. And by the third attempt to slip this beautiful young woman into that rear cockpit , If I remember correctly, she weighed less at each attempt, I don't remember ever having a sore back. > By the way Tim, I'm working on a Pieti Girl pinup Tee Shirt if there are any takers.Give me fair warning before Brodhead, and she will be along side my B Ford. > Pieti Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287407#287407 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:37 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier than streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just usse 4130, If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the 2 inch by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg aero works for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale" on streamlined tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg Aero Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my hanger, he does not have a web site. Shad ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:30 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Exactly - so get rid of the ball! Then if the pilot can't tell it's out of trim, it's close enough in trim. Of course it's only the indication of being out of trim that's going away. But if the pilot can't tell - isn't that good 'nuff? David Paule > > If you have step on the ball then it is not in trim > > > > > > no it won't > > > > Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. > > David Paule > >> >> Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way >> off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now >> angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. >> If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again >> tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner >> > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:40 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Joe Stack's suicide note Channel 8 in Austin had a UT Professor on. He made a lot of sense. Here is the link. http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=267401 the text is below: We've been asking visitors to the News 8 Austin Web site whether they think Thursdays plane crash was an act of terrorism. As of Friday morning, about half answered yes and half answered no. One poll commentator named Sparks said, It was a criminal act by one person with a personal grudge. Save the terrorist tag for the political/religious groups with a published agenda of violence. Another commentator named Angie said, It was an act of domestic terrorism. He had a political agenda. Criminal or Terrorism? We brought associate professor from the University of Texas Department of Government Ami Pedahzur to the News 8 studio. To help us explore that question more in-depth, we brought associate professor from the University of Texas Department of Government Ami Pedahzur to the News 8 studio. Ive been dealing with the studies of terrorism, suicide terrorism, trying to understand the individual, organizational and social motivation behind the phenomena as well as the response to such attacks, Pedahzur said. He said people are right to be unclear on how to define Thursdays situation because the definition of terrorism itself is unclear. Basically I think what we saw yesterday was a criminal act that incorporated elements of terrorism, Pedahzur said. He went on to dissect the situation by saying the target, the IRS office, was highly symbolic. He added the act was a copycat of the 9/11 attacks, and that the perpetrator clearly had some kind of political agenda. Pedahzur said it was hard to tell if pilot Joe Stack leaned more to the left or right. He said Stack seemed to have his own ideology. Having said that, Pedahzur said. It was not part of a bigger plan. He was not associated with any terrorist network. It doesnt seem he was a professional terrorist as we would define it. Reports from previous friends and colleagues of Stack indicated he seemed to be a normal man, but Pedahzur read Stacks web page and said he could sense the anger had been building up. Well, we read the manifesto and we see that the person has had some anger building up. The anger was directed at the government for various reasons. Sometimes its just the easy way out to find someone to blame, he said. But Pedahzur said he believes another event triggered the incident Thursday. It was building up, Pedahzur said. He was waiting for something to happen that would make him snap. Its clearly not something that was a decision that was made yesterday morning. It was an ongoing process that came to a point of explosion yesterday. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:24 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane Gardiner, I had to hold a bit of right rudder to center my ball too. I almost put a trim tab on the rudder, but flew it a second time anyway. I then noticed I was holding some right aileron in level flight, so before adding any trim tabs I'm going to adjust my lift struts to see if that helps. It is hard to figure out if your wings are trimmed if you can't let go of the stick because there is no pitch trim. I guess a trim system is something for me to start thinking about. I can see this project isn't finished, just moved on to a new dimension. Ben On 2/20/2010 7:29 PM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > If you have step on the ball then it is not in trim > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: airlion > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 6:57:26 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > no it won't > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: David Paule > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:07:04 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "David Paule" > > Take it off and it'll fly straight enough. > > David Paule > > >> Yes , I am planning on Brodhead. Since I have a corvair my ball was way off to the left and I had to stomp on to make it center. I have now angled my verticle about a degree to the right and hope that will fix it. If not , then I will have to put on a trim tab. I plan to test it again tomorrow. Cheers, Gardiner >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Mike Fisher of Talkeetna Alaska From: Matt Naiva Mike's Email bounced today. I wanted an update on his inverted FORD Scout project. I hit the internet and found this: FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 2009 The curve dropped down pretty significantly a few days ago with the news of Talkeetna's iconic 74 year old bicycle riding airplane mechanic health nut world traveler *Mike Fisher slipped away after a several month decline from prostate cancer.* He was my friend and a most adamant supporter of this dream to build a bakery cafe outside of town. He was always looking forward to riding his bike for a cup of coffee and a loaf of good bread. I did get to say a small goodbye and thank you in my way, but am deeply saddened that he will never sit at the cafe counter, reading the newspaper and talking my ear off for hours on end. Ref http://nutsandtruffles.blogspot.com/2009/02/bowl-of-roses.html I hope there are two Mike Fishers of Talkeetna Alaska ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? From: "dgaldrich" Me three. 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